green-lighting an investigation into biden without any evidence of wrongdoing. and in moments, i'll speak with the throne and mccarthy's side, that is republican congressman matt gaetz who is threatening to oust the speaker, in part over this issue. but first, some context. republicans want to know if president biden benefited from his son's business dealings. and that is a legitimate question. but the doj did spend here is investigating hunter biden, and so far there has been no evidence that his father did benefit. meantime, house republicans and their investigations have presented zero direct evidence to contradict that. also, mccarthy is to invest now unilaterally without even a vote, even though kevin mccarthy himself from 11 days ago disagreed with that method. quote, if we move forward with an impeachment inquiry, it would occur for a vote on the floor of the people's, house not for a declaration by one person. and just four years ago, mccarthy attacked democrats for doing the same. both on twitter and right here on camera. >> speaker pelosi happens to be the speaker of this house, but she doesn't speak for america when it comes to this issue. she cannot decide unilaterally what happens here. she cannot change the laws of this congress. she cannot unilaterally decide when an impeachment inquiry -- >> and just summit on, that the then speaker, nancy pelosi, she did eventually hold a vote on an impeachment inquiry. so why is mccarthy caving now? well perhaps because of congressman from florida, matt gaetz. >> i rise today to serve notice. mister speaker, you are out of compliance with the agreement that allow you to assume this role. the path forward for the house of representatives is to either bring you into immediate total compliance or remove you. >> so you'll remember that nasty speaker election back in january. one of the many concessions that mccarthy made thin to the far-right of his party was to make it easier to boot him from his own job. >> joining me now is congressman matt gaetz. he's a member of the house judiciary committee. thanks for being here, congressman. first, i want to start with this. your making some pretty serious threats against speaker mccarthy's speakership. but let's be honest, it sounds like you don't have the votes. >> the vote for what, i? heavy to remove mccarthy? i acknowledge that. and i would suggest that when we first had the contest for speaker, neither did he. but over the course of 15 ballots, it is amazing what can happen. so, look. my job is to ensure the deal we made in january isn't forest. it is not about impeachment, specifically, it's about oversight. brooks possibly spending. mccarthy committed to have 12 individual appropriations bills passed. we don't see on pace to do. that and i'm deeply concerned that he hasn't been faithful to the commitment. >> if you do truckers this motion to vacate, and it does fail, as it sounds like you think it, well don't these threats and up losing all credibility moving forward? >> it had a good deal of credibility today. announced last evening i'm making a speech at noon today and in somewhat of a rushed fashion, the speaker gave a speech at 11. while that was a baby step, i think in the right direction, it certainly is not linked to the concerns we have about spending, government funding, running out, and the passing of a continuing resolution that advances a lot of the goals and priorities that republicans run. >> so do you think that mccarthy should shut down the government to save his job here? >> i don't think the choice is one or the other. i think there are certainly agencies of government, like the department of education and department of labor, probably a few others, that ought to be willing to get rid of in petite large fashion and to both those powers to the states and reorganize them. but if we just had compliance, with a vote on term limits, a vote on a balanced budget, individuals pinnacled, i do think speaker mccarthy could save his job and even face a motion to vacate if he came into compliance with our deal. >> but dealing with the spending issue here. the government will shut down if congress doesn't come up with this been a deal. he wants speaker mccarthy, it sounds, like to defund a whole swath of the federal government. i think you would agree that is probably, the chances of that happening are pretty much zero. so at the end of the, day at the end of the day you're basically asking mccarthy to do something he simply cannot do unilaterally if he doesn't have the votes. >> abby, i would zoom out and say this is what we cannot do. we cannot have a government that continues to have two trillion dollars annual deficit. and while i acknowledge are in divided government, at least the house of representatives, representing the republican position, should be willing to tweeze through the various programs reflected in agency budget, and we ought to have open roads and open amendments. even some of my democratic colleagues, during our speaker contest in general, agreed the reforms we were seeking would actually democratize power in the house of representatives for everyone, and i would hope that would remain the standard no matter which party was in control. >> but you attempted to kind of use the same sort of leverage when it came to the budget deal earlier this year. but your account, you have criticized kevin mccarthy for being a part of the deal with the white house. it sounds like that leverage just simply didn't work. what makes you think that this time will be any difference? >> i'm concerned at one. beirut, it was a cascading failure of the 118th congress that we did a date limit deal that underwrote a series of pet decisions and didn't provide any wins for the republican house in divided government. >> i would argue it's also a failure for your trilogy to use -- >> yeah i didn't work -- >> to put pressure on kevin mccarthy, so what are you doing the same thing over and over again? >> i'm going to do it over and over again until it works. and today we saw baby step to work that with more robust efforts on impeachment. but i'm going to keep doing it. and it minority, first-time i don't currently premise that it would never work, because the american people want term limits. that one balanced budget. they took to see government funded wrapped up in just one up or down vote on an omnibus bill or consume resolutions. overtime, i think the american people can't get their lawmakers to act more like representative of the rv put, and not just volleys for the lobbyists and special interest to control washington. >> you're blaming mccarthy for taking baby steps. he said that he would open an impeachment inquiry, but your colleagues including congressman ken buck have said there is no evidence linking president biden to these allegations. listen to what he just had 50 minutes ago on cnn. >> i have not seen any of it had some links to link hunter biden to hunter biden's activities i think it's a mistake to slip talking about an impeachment inquiry, i think it's a good thing for talking about voting it on the floor because we've got a lot of work to do -- positive or 30th and ever a government shutdown. >> i mean, he makes an important point. that in addition to what he said there, there are enough votes to support an impeachment inquiry into president biden. and yet you continue to push speaker mccarthy on that. why is he wrong when, i think, the numbers are frankly on his side? >> well, let's take the votes. i think it is an illusion of washington that you can't put anything on the floor if it's not going to pass. i actually think our representative republic would be more vibrant if we had more votes that were not always just pre-determined, right? and so if we put an impeachment inquiry on the floor and it didn't pass, will then, the people who didn't vote for it would have to be responsive to their voters. that's the way this whole thing works. and while ken buck and a historic disagreement on the quality of the evidence against, robin it's interesting, he's one of my strongest allies on the spin it matters. so we can disagree on impeachment, we can't agree on spending. it shows the issues are not particulate lint. as to the quality of evidence, i have to say, we have bank records, devices, laptops, travel records, changes in admonition policy, seems like parties evidence to. may >> not of which linked president biden -- >> it was joe -- >> it none of which -- >> he was caught and is amazing. abby, are you trying to tell your viewers you don't believe joe biden was involved and hunter biden -- >> congressman, it's not what i believe, it's about whether there is evidence that president biden is linked to the misdeeds that might be linked to hunter biden. that's the issue. >> that was tortured. >> i want -- >> no, but can you just acknowledge it calls into the business deals, he's involved? when he calls empathy dinners -- >> this is not about. this is not about anyone, it's not about what i believe. it's a question. do you have evidence? if you had evidence that joe biden's links to hunter biden's business deals in a way that is illegal, we wouldn't be having this conversation. it would probably have the votes for an impeachment inquiry, but you don't. because of people like ken buck, and people like don bacon, and many others in your conference. >> i see the evidence differently. i think we need to have the votes and have the debates and heavy hearings. and again, they represent their constituents just like the representment. even in my remarks before, today i disclaim and acknowledge all the crossing. but when we just bundle it up and act as if this bottom family corruption isn't happening and we're not going to be anything about, than americans of all stripes start to lose faith in the oversight capabilities of congress and really in the impeachment power it gives us, the checks and balances the missouri. >> there are eight of members who murray, and republicans, who are worried that by starting an impeachment inquiry to try to find evidence that you probably should have before you start the inquiry, you cheapened process. chris christie said something very similar this week. >> chris christie, gosh, i stopped taking advice from him -- >> on this -- >> when recommending christopher wray for jobs -- on the substance, you want to talk about how long we've had the evidence? the fbi had hunter biden's laptops in 2019. this inquiry isn't just going to be into the bidens and the bad things they've, done it's also going to be into the cover-up. if you have the evidence. it was to posing people today, today i was asking questions about the roles of foreign interference test foolish to go and does admit any derogatory information about the bidens. -- >> congressman, let me -- >> that was part of the cover-up -- >> let me just move on here because i'm going to reiterate to the audience. because we need to be clear. there is no evidence linking president biden to anything illegal haven't to do with hunter biden. however, i want to ask you about what congresswoman -- >> his business dealings, that's my key -- >> let me ask, you know, no, no. it's about -- i'm just. there is no evidence linking president biden to anything illegal that you are alleging about hunter biden. congressman -- >> getting the ukrainian prosecutors fired -- >> -- says that you and other, you, know maga members of the congress our bully moderates. she considers herself to be a moderate. in effect, by putting a lot of republican held seats in jeopardy next year. are you concerned about that as you plot this strategy of having countless votes on things that you have just acknowledged in this interview you don't have the votes for? >> i think we should have countless votes, even if we lose. and i don't think that's little italy. i think that little thing. i think that's what can send off some of the rough edges of the policy and procedural choices we have to run the country. if there are members of congress who think that taking tough votes is bullying, i guess they shouldn't have run for the position. and, here? there are going to be some people who are gonna be in a tough spot. but their constituents deserve to know with our. and frankly, i think that comes with being a member of the united states congress. >> last question before i let you go. what does donald trump, who you know, you're a close ally, of does he support ousting kevin mccarthy as speaker? >> i don't know. i haven't asked. him but make sure to let him know you're interested in the question. >> all right, congressman matt gaetz, thanks for joining me tonight. >> thank you, abby. >> all right, let's discuss this with cnn political commentator and former trump white house communications director illicit throughout griffin. also with us as senior political analyst john -- . melissa, let's start with you. your reaction to matt gaetz staying holding countless votes heinous will fail is little that-ing. >> a lot of what he's saying is confident are. he wants to have a full appropriations process, opened the house floor, while having an ongoing speaker battle that may go through multiple ballots. congress can probably keep the lights on, so where he thinks he's gonna be able to do all this, when the government is such a run out of money, is beyond me. but listen, he's putting kevin mccarthy and an untenable position. he basically has two jobs. keep his speakership and keep his majority, and they seem to be running in direct conflict with each other. >> john, he seems to be spending any sort of leverage he might have right now before we even get to the spending deadline. we're looking, potentially, at government shutdown. >> we are. but instead, congress is focused on impeachment. i believe ballots for the evidence. this as i could illustration -- it is about hyperpartisanship. extremists hijacking the process returns. and kevin mccarthy having to placate his base, even when they're trying to push against anything resembling precedence or for the front of the -- . this is not on the same moral particle universe as some of the other -- matt gaetz would be the first to complain about how it was handled under president trump and it actually wasn't like this. there is a vote than there is evidence. >> there's a lot of evidence and it occurred, and that's the problem. the protesting against awaits done. already the doj -- as you put it earlier this month and suddenly he's abandoning that because even want folks to take a tough vote. >> before you jump in, i want to get something that just landed tonight. washington post columnist just wrote a column saying that biden and vice president harris should not run for reelection in 2024. i just england re-little part of it because i think this is really surprising. he is somebody who, frankly, biden listens to. he says that voters are concerned about biden's age and because of their concerns about biden's age, voters would sensibly focus on his presumptive running mate, harris. she is less popular than biden, with a 39.5% approval rating and harris has many laudable qualities, but the simple fact is she has failed to gain traction in the country or even within her own country. pretty strong words about biden's age and his view of harris. >> the reality is this. this article is going to send shockwaves, i think we all know that. 73% of americans according to cnn's own polling think that biden's age is an issue you would be our oldest president in history. i think what the democrats did extremely effectively midterms is argue the democracy case. the importance of democracy and not electing election deniers, but the undermined that argument when they put up two candidates who, head to head, in some polls, joe biden is losing to donald trump or if anything it is biden just a hair that he is winning. the biggest single obstacle this the age factor and pair that with who is largely unpopular vice president i think that ignatius is right here. >> this is a body blow to the biden white house because of how respected david's. he somebody who has seen as an ally. >> somebody to talk to. >> absolutely. this is about age, perception, vigor, the vice president and david is saying these things in the washington post, in an indelible fashion. >> this is not somebody who is really considered at gad fly. somebody who, even going back to the obama years, has courted by both obama and then vice president joe biden. john and alyssa, thank you both very much. and, coming up next, senator elizabeth warren reacts to this biden impeachment inquiry, plus why she is against tech giants like elon musk and mark's ochberg visiting capitol hill tomorrow. and, the head of the chicago's teachers union is now under fire for sending her own child to private school. she will join me to explain, live. thursday night 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violence outlining step that his administration can take without congressional approval. those proposals include incentivizing gun manufacturers to declined to sell military grade weapons to civilians, revisiting the list of guns that are eligible for import under the sporting purposes exception, and urging the ftc to clamp down on unfair or deceptive gun acts. now, a white house official tells cnn that the administration is currently reviewing this letter and my next guest is among those leading this new push. it is democratic senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts and she joins me now. senator, thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you for having me here. >> so, senator warren, you and your democratic colleagues have a list of a number of actions that you would like to see taken as we just outlined. what makes this different from what we have heard from democrats in the past, this push for action has been pretty constant? >> we see this, this letter is about saying to president biden that we in congress have your back if you will pick up every possible tool to produce gun violence in america. you know, we have just reached a point in this country where we have got to try to do everything. sure, would i like for congress to do more? you bet i would. but right now the republicans are going to block that. so we have to act. keep in mind that gun violence is the number one cause of death for our children. it is not hooping of, it's not leukemia, it is gun violence. and that means it is up to us to put a stop to it. so we have laid out things that the president can do on his own, without congress, that could actually move the needle and help save lives. that is why we are here. >> two years into president biden's term and, certainly after countless mass shootings and just everyday violence, what has stopped president biden from taking these actions so far in his presidency? >> you know, i really want to start with a big thank you to president biden >> he signed into law the first legislation that has passed in 30 years to try to reduce gun violence, made it through congress and over his desk. he also has taken administrative actions, for example to help close the gun show loophole. good for president biden. this is more than anybody has done in a very, very long time. but, there is more that we can do. so, for example, you are going to list and let me just point out one in four assault rifles right now is imported from a foreign country into the united states. we can put a stop to that and we can do it administratively without additional legislation from congress. so, that is the kind of thing that we need to do. we have picked things where we can make a very real difference in the number of guns and the kind of guns that are available on our streets. that will save loves. >> senator, can i ask you about this? new mexico governor, a democrat, she has issued a temporary order that bans both open and concealed carry firearms in albuquerque and the surrounding county. do you believe that that is the right move? do you think it is even legal? >> you know, i want to put it this way. i think that our mayors and our governors have the hardest job in the world right now when it comes to gun violence. keep in mind, for example, in the district of columbia futures back, d.c. said we just wanted to basically been carrying guns and good for d.c.. they said it was going to bring down gun violence and they were right. then, and an extremist united states supreme court said no, we're not gonna let you do it and congress wouldn't act to try to give them some of the tools to help fight gun violence. and yet,. it is the same governors and same errors who are then held responsible for the rise in violence. so, i say this. they are caught in the switches and they are doing everything they possibly can to reduce gun violence and to try to save the lives of our children, our neighbors, everyone. >> i want to turn to another topic that is coming up for washington this week and that is artificial intelligence. just in a couple of days senator chuck schumer has invited mark zuckerberg, bill gates, elon musk, other tech ceos over to washington to meet about the future of this technology. it seems like this is a really pivotal moment for the future, but you have voiced some criticism with that strategy of bringing the tech leaders to washington. i wonder, is it really the wrong strategy to bring them to the table and figure out a way forward before this technology goes too far? >> look, if we're going to bring tech billionaires in detail congress how to write laws, we know what they are going to say. this is an opportunity to lobby. they are going to say write the laws in ways that protect their billion dollar fortunes and the head start that they have in the a.i. industry. but i am glad to hear from these folks, i just don't want to hear from them behind closed doors. we have a way to hear from them, and that is in hearings. i want to hear from them when they come into a hearing that is open to the public, anybody can see it, and where senators or representatives get to ask some tough questions. i don't think we should be going behind closed doors to let these guys have nonstop lobbying for hours and hours and hours without any public scrutiny of what they have to say and the claims they are making. >> i just mentioned elon musk, one of the tech executives in the space. he is also involved in quite a lot of other things and there have been reports recently about his involvement in the war in ukraine and the way that his control of this starlink, basically internet technology there, plays a huge role in that war. does elon musk have veto power, basically, in the ukraine conflict right now? >> look, no one is supposed to make foreign policy for the united states other than the united states government. it is not up to one billionaire to go off in secret and change our foreign policy. i think we need an investigation, both from the department of defense and from congress, to look from the arrangement with elon musk and his company that would give him the ability to, in fact, turn off or restrict in any way access for ukraine or anyone else in contravention of specific policies of the united states of america. those foreign policy decisions are not the subcontract it off to one billionaire. they belong to the federal government and the federal government that represents all of the american people. >> so, in some other news today, in the house of representatives, how speaker kevin mccarthy is calling for the opening of a formal impeachment inquiry into president biden. meanwhile, he is facing himself some threats to his speakership. what do you think is going on in the house and should the white house be concerned that they could launch an impeachment inquiry into the president? >> this is one more example of a handful of extremists in the house that are tail wagging the whole republican dog here. republicans themselves were asked to put the house and the senate, whether there is any evidence to impeach the president and the answer was no. and that was from republicans. so, what is going on here? this is kevin mccarthy trying to save his own skin and further empowering a handful of extremists who are, once again, trying to push, trying to use the tools of the united states government, not to help the american people, not to get to what is true, but just to see if they can advance the interest of don trump. it is so wrong. >> meanwhile, as we go into this presidential cycle, a recent cnn poll shows that roughly three quarters of americans say they are worried about president biden's age and how it might affect his ability to serve out another full term. that actually includes 49% of democrats who say that the presidents age is their biggest concern. are you worried that this is going to hamper his chances in this upcoming race and what can he do about 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consistently voicing strong opposition to private education. now, last year she underscored her position on the issue saying, quote, i can't advocate on behalf of public education without it taking root in my own household. joining me now is stacie davis gaetz. stacy, thank you for being here. we want it to have you on so that you could help explain what happened here. you have likened in the past private schools of today to, quote, segregation academies of the jim crow south. why then you send your child to a private school after speaking out so publicly against them? >> i didn't speak out against private schools, i spoke out against school choice. school choice and private schools are two different entities. >> in your tweet you describe basically, you have described private schools of the north, that was literally your language. you have also said this that school choice was the choice of racists. i think at the end of the day people are asking here about whether the rhetoric matches your actions. what do you say to them? >> well, i would say that if we understand the desegregation of schools post brown versus the board of education we also understand that school districts in the south, in particular closed down entire school districts, offer money to families, white families so that they could get accepted into private schools. that is, in fact, the origin of school choice in america. i know that the right wing want to obscure that in the same way that they want to tell us that slavery was a job training program. >> look, i understand the history that you are talking about and i myself attended public school my entire life. but i think one of the issues here is actually something that you yourself raised. you wrote a letter to your colleagues and you said that our critics want you to believe that, quote, school choice as a black and white issue that lacks nuance and hard choices for people like us, black families, especially when you are parenting a black boy in america. he wrote that to explain why you chose to take your child out of public school for a sports program at a private school. the question that i think critics are asking is why not afford that nuance to the families who might live in the south side of chicago and other major cities, and they want the same choice that you were able to afford to give dear child? >> so a couple of things, number one i have three children and all three children haven't been to public school. my youngest who are still public school students. the second thing is that over 90% of my neighbors in my zip code send their children to schools outside of our zip code, outside of our neighborhood. and this is an issue that black chicagoans, black families in chicago deal with on a very regular basis and, in fact, for generations. this is not an issue of just to stacey david gates and her family, this is quite frankly an issue for middle class black families all across this country where the public accommodation is obsolete, just like the grocery store in our communities are obsolete, just like the health care provisions in our community are obsolete. what i am saying, and we have said very clearly as a union, for a very long time now, is that the public accommodation has to be invested and resourced in black communities because we have been defunded and destabilized in those same communities. so when we talk about choice, abby, what we are talking about is a decision between frosted flakes and cheerios, but in chicago, and especially in black neighborhoods, it is the decision with zero and zero and that is not a choice. it is quite frankly in ultimatum. black children this idiot chicago travel outside of their neighborhoods on average more than any other comparative demographic. >> i totally understand the point that you are making, but i do wonder, do you regret your own rhetoric here? >> regret rhetoric? what i have set our facts. >> i think -- let me explain my question. >> i understand quite clearly what you are saying. >> you are describing a very nuanced issue here, i understand that. i understand the history of segregation in the school system, but, at the same time, what i am trying to ask you is do you think that your rhetoric, at some point, went too far when you are making a choice because, perhaps i assume that you can afford to do that, that a lot of chicago parents don't because they can't afford it and proponents of school choice say that the state should have a role in helping those families afford it make the same choice that you did for your family. >> a couple of things, abby. it is nuanced in chicago. like i have said you have the destabilized and defunded in our black communities. when people speak of choice they are speaking of two different things that are of comparative nature. what we are faced with in chicago is an absence of a choice. it is an absence of resources and, furthermore, school choice in this country has been anchored to a very racist and angry right-wing. i can show you a whole host of emails that have come to me and my family detailing that level of violence and racism. so if the choice movement does want to move away from their angry and violent rhetoric, i might add, then they would do themselves a favor and reject the rhetoric of the right that tells us that history is not important. i understand that impact of segregation in chicago, the impact of destabilization in chicago, and i face that along with over 90% of my neighbors in that the school that is supposed to be down the street for the cop that lives across the street for me, or the retired teacher that live next door to me, that is not afforded to us. so when we talk about rhetoric we also have to talk about the historical rhetoric and the historical record is very clear. the school movement was a -- for integration in this country. that is a fact. number two, the destabilization of black spaces throughout this country has been reprehensible and is most acutely felt with families who want to send their children to public schools. as i have said before, my children do attend public schools. my son, he has the opportunity to play sports at a school. sports, by the way, that are not offered at our neighborhood school or in the school closed to our address. again, students in chicago, especially black students on average, travel almost two hours back and forth just cool. so the real scandal, abby, is why in 2023 black families in chicago and across this country have to deal with such severe inequities and such high stakes? >> i totally agree that that is a scandal, but i also think that what you just described for your son's choice, that you made for your family and i think that is what your critics are pointing out here. but stacey davis gaetz i do appreciate you coming on here tonight and i also want to say that i am sorry that your family has experienced threats as a result of all of this, this is a discussion about policy choices and i hope that people on both sides of this issue can deal with it in a really civil manner, i appreciate your time. >> thank you, abby. >> the escaped killer authorities are now searching for in pennsylvania and now armed and extremely dangerous after stealing a rifle. we'll have the latest on that 13-day manhunt next. the man hunt in pennsylvania sentenced-ifying to monetize police when convicted killer daniela cava conte is now armed with a stolen rifle. officials say he was last seen shortlist last night. residents about 20 miles north of the chester county prison where he escaped, nearly two weeks ago. now according to officials he entered an open garage while the homeowner was inside, and he grabbed a 22 caliber rifle. now with me now, former and ypg lieutenant and criminal justice expert darren porcher. darren, thank you for being here. look we have this map here showing all the key moments in this search so far. he stole a van, the van was then later found, than he was now armed. where do you think the search is taking law enforcement right now in terms of their tactics, and strategy? >> what was interesting about this is, he is now gone from where the chester county prison, is 20 miles away, so one of the key components, is he was able to acquire a vehicle which has taken into a particular distance, however that vehicle ran out of gas. now he is on the land. the concerning piece is, he was at one point a farmhand, so he genuinely understands the terrain of what we see on navigate through this as a result of the local police, would be the best asset to guide the search. we have the state police at the forefront of the investigation however the local police would have a better understanding as of how he's going to navigate through this. bear in mind, he is in possession of a rifle. this is a very dangerous instrument, it can kill, someone and this can also act as a hindrance, because it is so large and the concealer bilby is limited. >> that is a really important point about the rifle. given all the sightings we have had in the last couple of days, and the last two weeks. are you surprised they have not tuned in on the sky and found him yet? >> i'm surprised they have not found him. but it goes back to, he is a person who has a genuine understanding of the terrain based on him being a prior farmhand. so he understands and knows how to navigate through this ferry treacherous would area, and that is where we go back over to the local police, who would be better equipped in understanding what the terrain of the search pattern would lead to. >> ultimately finding him is almost like a needle in the haystack. it is a single individual. thank you so much, there, and i really appreciate it. up next, the nfl is facing another discrimination lawsuit. accused of dismissing an nfl reporter for publicly challenging commissioner roger goodall. the man who filed that suit jim trotta joins me next. that's what you get from the morgan stanley 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>> well, first, i don't believe it was a -- discrimination within the larger context we had, i believe i was let go because i challenged the nfl to live up to the standards that says or import, into it that our core principles to diversity equity and inclusion, but last 20 years i have been pointing out internally and externally that in our newsroom, we did not have one black manager, we did not have one ply copy editor, and who did not have one full-time black news assistant. and yet, we were covering a player population by the league starter that is 60 to 70% black. so my issue was, how can we effectively and fairly covered this for your population if they have no one at the table, the decision-making table who shares the same cultural and life experiences that they have been through. i have been fighting that for two years and not getting anywhere with it. and in fact in november when my agent reached out to them to see if my contract was going to be renewed, they said we see no reason whatsoever it won't be renewed, although it may come with a pay trim. after i asked those questions, several weeks later i was told that was no longer the case. it was being reviewed, three weeks after that i was told my contract was not being renewed. >> and jim, you also name team owners in your lawsuit including buffalo bills -- dallas cowboys owner jerry jones. what can you tell us about your experiences with them? >> well, the comment came from a zoom call when there were over 40 nfl employees on it. there was a reporter from nfl network who made the allegation that terry was addressing the issue of player activism, and said that basically, if players do not like, it they should go back to africa and see how -- but if jerry jones, case your, leader i was asking jerry jones about why nfl owners have such a hard time hiring black people into decision-making positions. i asked him three different times about, it after the third time he told me he was starting to get a little defensive. i told him i'm not talking about you directly, i'm talking about owners as a collective. that is when jerry said to me, if blacks feel some kind of way they should buy their own team and hire who they want to hire. this just speaks to the culture within the nfl in my opinion about how they feel about black employees and black men in particular. when we look at the head coach situation right now there are 32 teams, only three head coaches who identify as black. we know the leak has long and complicated history, as it relates to race, and the nfl going back to the 1930s and 40s, where they had a 12-year ban on black players. to then, black players coming to the leak, being told they could not play certain positions because they were thinking man positions. then we can fast forward to things like race and warming and the concussion settlement case where they relied on that part time until there was such a public outcry that they had to remove that. so, abby, this is a long pattern in terms of the history of the nfl as it relates to race here. i just believe that if i'm not willing to stand up and fight for this, then i have no reason to complain about what is going on. >> i should say that terry has denied these allegations. he said they are absolutely false. jerry jones says, the details of the conversation that you just outlined in this claim are simply not accurate. david, i do want to get you before we go here. you have been involved in some of these other cases, accusing the nfl of similar conduct. do you see the problem having a systematic, or systemic issue when it comes to race, or is it just quite a lot of bad actors allegedly? >> well, i, mean i think as jim described, the nfl's problems with racism go back decades and generations. and, i don't know that i need to go back through all the numbers, but there are three black head coaches, and 32, teams no black majority owner. you know, in the newsroom as jim, said no black manager, no black copy editors. no full-time black employees on the news desk. so clearly there is a systemic issue here. and as you mention, we represent the coaches in the -- class action. and, what is happening in that case right, now is the nfl is tempting to force all those cases to arbitration before roger goodall. you know, roger -- on whether discrimination in the league, clearly -- >> all right, jim, trotter david, gottlieb thank you both for joining us tonight. >> t

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