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pamela brown is outside the supreme court. and jeffrey toobin is also with us. pam, we want to start with you the scene of where this all played out. obviously, this is one of the biggest and most anticipated rulings. it was the one left for last. a little bit of drama before they end their session. >> so much anticipation for this ruling today. it is the final day of the public session. the crowds were out, demonstrators on both sides of this issue, issues combining abortion, religious liberty, obamacare, corporate rights, all into this one ruling, and today we heard the ruling from the majority, the five conservative justices ruling in favor of hobby lobby striking down this key provision in the affordable care act requiring closely held family owned companies to provide comprehensive coverage of contraception to its employees. now the two companies that brought this case forward argued that four types of contraception in particular violated their faith because they equate it to abortion and they said that they should not be forced by the government to provide coverage of these four types of contraception because of the faith and today the justices acknowledging that these closely held family-owned companies do have religious liberty rights similar to individuals. they cited a 20-year-old federal law saying that under this law, that companies like hobby lobby, again, specific, closely held family-owned companies do have religious liberty rights and do not have to abide by this requirement to provide comprehensive contraception coverage to its employees. as soon as that ruling came down, we heard a lot of jeers and cheers from all the demonstrators around. it's a very strong opinions here on a case that has sparked heated rhetoric on both sides and i think it's important to mention michaela and john, the argument from the obama administration and its sporters. they contend that this ruling today could open up a can of worms. that now by acknowledging these held family owned religious rights essentially other companies could say -- bringing for challenges saying they don't want to provide knch coverage for medical marijuana or health care coverage for same sex couples. this is a big blow to the obama administration. >> let's talk about that can of worms you just brought up here. bringing in jeffrey toobin to weigh in here. jeffrey, you know, the majority seemed to go out of its way to make this a narrow ruling. just applicable to closely held companies, but what are these applications? does it open the legal can of worms that pamela was just talking about? >> that's really the heart of the dispute between the dissent and the majority opinion. just to focus on the obvious here for a second. the five justices in the majority were all appointed by republican presidents. the four justices in the minority were all appointed by democratic presidents. three of the four women who have served in the history of the supreme court were in the minority in this case. you know, this is a deeply political issue and i think that's reflected in the voting here. now the question about where this goes from here seems to be very much up in the air. justice kennedy who provided the swing vote wrote a concurring opinion saying this is really not that big a deal. it only applies in these limited circumstances with companies that are essentially family owned that have well-known, well established religious beliefs. justice ginsburg said no, no, no, if you read this opinion, the breadth is astonishing. this gives employers veto power over women's health insurance, over what kind of services they will or not get under their insurance policies. frankly, i don't know what the answer is. that is a real tension between the two opinions. there undoubtedly will be more cases coming down the road, but that's the heart of the disagreement in this case. >> jeffrey, i can't help but think that there are going to be people that will see this as religious freedoms, religious beliefs trumping women's rights and obviously what they can do with their bodies. is that too simplistic a view and you know, it's very significant to me that you say that three of the female justices dissentd? >> the only female justices, yes, that's right. absolutely right and so many of these issues are about how you frame them, how you see them. you know, the majority sees this as the oppressive hand of government telling religious people that they have to pay for things that they have moral objections to. that's the argument that prevailed with the majority. the defense sees this as women showing up for work at this huge company with 3,000 people and oh, by the way, because of the religious views of the owners of this company, people you've never met, you are never going to meet, you don't get the same health care coverage that the people down the street get, and working at another company. that's how the dissenters see it, and you know, that's -- those are fundamentally views in conflict with each other, and that's why it was a close and difficult case and that's why democrats see this one way, republicans see it another in congress and in the supreme court. >> open the door for more decisions and discussions down the road. there was another ruling down the day also seen as a narrow ruling where the supreme court ruled on public unions and dues collections for public unions. explain to me. >> this was another decision written by justice alito. also 5-4 and the decision was that home health care workers who are not -- who are covered by a labor union contract but don't want to join the union don't have to pay dues. and the reason this case, i think genuinely is narrow decided is because justice alito's opinion said this really only applies to home health care workers who have a peculiarly sort of public role but sort of private role, and it doesn't apply to all government employees. that really would have been close to a death nell for public employee unions in this country. it didn't address that issue so that one is still coming down the line. >> another blow to unions. jeff, thanks so much for -- analyzes. >> he wants his city to make sure his keys still work. that's him right there. rob ford returns to work after being in rehab for two months. >> everyone has a bad day once in a while. what if facebook intentionally tried to make your day worse or better? how the social media giant set people off by manipulating its content. that's all coming up. we've been watching this news out of the supreme court, the hobby lobby retail chain will not be forced to pay for certain forms of contraceptives to its employees. obviously the supreme court deciding and ruling in favor of handgunr hobby lobby. this is going to have quite a reaction in the white house. we want to bring our white house correspondent jim acosta with reaction from the obama administration. certainly a blow to the administration, jim. is. >> absolutely. i mean this is probably the biggest victory for opponents of the affordable care act since it was signed into law. keep in mind that this was -- up held at the supreme court just a couple of shorts years ago and ever since then, conservatives have been looking for that symbolic victory and they got it today, even though it's not going to undermine or greatly damage the law, it's certainly a victory they have been seek being cht the president right now is meeting with the president of chile in the oval office. there's a pool spray as we call it at the white house. a limited number of reporters have been allowed in to get the president's comments. sometimes he has asked questions about news of the day in these circumstances. he will respond. i don't think that will be the case. i don't think he will respond to the hobby lobby case and we'll wait and see. at the bottom of the hour, the white house briefing will be taking place and i imagine we will be hearing from the press secretary about this. i would not expect the white house to get overly political about this. you are hearing that coming from diplomat -- democratic alies. they are saying this is the reason why democrats need to come out and vote. we've heard the president time and time again over the last several months saying democrats just don't come out and vote in mid terms. they don't think it's -- they don't really think there's a big reason for them to come out and vote. so you may hear from democrats saying this has been a rallying cry, that it marieds who gets to pick the supreme court justices and who is in the senate to confirm them. >> i guarantee you that by the close of today, in fact probably by the close of this hour, we will see fundraising emails from groups on both sides based on this issue. it's already a political issue but it's only going to get more so in the coming days. let's bring in hannah smith which represents the green family which owns hobby lobby. and emily. this is a victory for hobby lobby, a victor for your clients. tell us what your reaction is. >> it's a great day for the green family, for hobby lobby, for women, and for people of faith in america. this was an astounding opinion, a great decision by justice alito joined by the chief, scalia, kennedy, and thomas, up holding that rights of family-owned businesses under the religious freedom restoration act. >> emily, i want to hear your take on this because you know have called this ruling a slippery slope. talk about your reaction to this and how you see it as being a sliply slope. >> it might be a great day for the green family but it is not a great day for their 17,000 employees. this is hardly a small family business and it's not a great day for the american people in general. what this ruling does it moves in the direction this court has been moving already. which is talking about corporate personhood. really treating corporations like people. saying the corporation has a religion itself and it should be imposed upon its employees. one of the things that hasn't really been discussed as much what about the religious freedom of the individual employee? previously we've seen cases that say that your religious freedom stops at my body. we don't know how far that's going to go now that we have this ruling. it may continue to go further. what if the religious-based employer, what if they don't believe in cancer treatments or vaccinations? this could go on. the language of this decision does say it's limited to contraception but now this ruling is out there, it could definitely go further. >> what about that, hannah? do you think your rights, should it extend to things like vaccinations, gay employees, for instances? >> well, look the court was very careful in its opinion today. in fact, it devoted several panl to disclaiming those scare tactics. it said very specifically this is a narrow opinion that applies to this contraception mandate. it does not apply to vaccine claims. it does not apply to other claims so all of the scare tactic that people are saying, all of these things are going to happen now, the court was very clear that those things are not part of this opinion today. >> do you think they should be going forward? is that something you think hobby lobby will pursue? >> oh, no, absolutely not. those are not claims that have been presented in this case. those are not claims that have been presented in the last 50 years that we've had this same legal standard governing these claims. and, in fact, you know, courts are very good at weeding out those types of claims and as you heard justice alito say from the bench today, he said these are not -- these vaccintion claims are simply ridiculous. they are got to go -- they are not going to be affected by this decision today. we have to look at what the battle really is going forward. that is the government continues to percent cute the little sisters of the poor. these nonprofit religious ministries are still fighting these battles in the court. >> you still feel there's a battle that obviously needs to happen so that -- of the employees that do work there that are going to want or need these contraceptives, they have to make a decision do i stay working for this company or find work elsewhere? >> this is going to have a strong impact on the employees themselves. you don't have to take my word for it, you can take the dissent of justice ginsburg. the breadth of decision is incredible. it's not based on medical evidence that it's connected to abortion, purely on faith in general. if you are using religion and faith, it can go across the board. this is something very popular across the country. since it's gone into effect over 24 million women have taken advantage of it. on the political, will it actually be mostetting -- motivating people. >> hobby lobby does cover those contraceptives, 16 out of the 20 hobby lobby already covers. the garden variety were not at issue. it was plan b and ella and two forms of iuds. we're only talking about those four types of emergency contraceptives in this case. so to say this is going to impact hobby lobby female employees is ridiculous many they are covered for garden variety contraceptives, they always have been and they will continue to be after this opinion today. >> this proves that once the supreme court makes a decision it does not extinguish the passion in a case like this. ahead, expanding the investigation in the hot car toddler death. both parents searched hot car deaths on internet. it's supposed to deploy in an emergency, but this evacuation slide unfolded while a plane was in mid flight. yikes! that's coming up "@this hour." a, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? 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[ female announcer ] lactaid®. 100% real milk. no discomfort. and for more 100% real dairy treats you'll 100% enjoy look for lactaid® ice cream and lactaid® cottage cheese. a new twist in the investigation into the death of a georgia toddler who was locked in a car for more than seven hours while temperatures just sisled. >> police say the boy's mother was under investigation after admitting that she too researched hot car deaths on the internet. lee anna harris has not been charged. the boys father, justin harris is charged with murder and child cruelty. i want to bring in. we had not previously heard from the mother. we know the funeral happened over the week. she toad by her husband and backed him up. she revealed she searched the information on the internet. it's kind of weird. is it fair to say maybe they were worried about the possibility of something like this? >> i have always been worried that i would do that yet i didn't need to search on line to find out how deadly it is. i just know it's deadly and i think that would be an argument for a lot of jurors. now, by the same token, when you have two people doing this, it makes a lot of reasonable doubt. whomever it was on the keyboard looking for this, it's a tricky wicket. they are not tipping their hand to us. we only little bits and pieces. juries really want to command it, a reason, give me a reason to do to your own child. were you in the money? fighting over custody? give me something, otherwise it's just flimsy and weird but it doesn't scream murder. >> to me at least, the prosecutors they are not about to let up here. this gives them motivation to keep investigating this hard as long as it takes. >> if i were on the team, i wouldville investigators give me every single cell phone, text message, evan piece of communication that went on, every single email that woman, mother and father had with everyone. any suggestion whatsoever. i also want to know was he on the phone the whole way between the restaurant and his place of work. and with whom and also could he have just been distracted? could it be that easy? this is not an easy case. prosecutors don't like to bring case they can't win. they also don't like dead children. >> absolutely. and that's what stuck in the craw for many people. this boy is no longer with us. is timing on all this searching relevant and important? when they did and how soon before? >> yes. now you are thinking like a lawyer. what if early they had child's life, they were so overwhelmed by the emotion of it all, we do that as parents. maybe it was months or weeks ago, it would be a little difficult for jurors to stomach. it's one more thing that weights you when the decision has to be made. when the bar is beyond a reasonable doubt, that is a heavy bar to meet. not preponderance, it's beyond a reasonable doubt. that's hard for jurors to do without some kind of reason. >> what reason. >> ashleigh banfield great to have you. "legal view" begins at noon. >> other stop other top stories, gm has announced it will award at least a million dollars to each family killed by faulty ignition switches. >> many of these accidents occurred years ago, a decade ago. what evidence, what circumstantial evidence can be produced that will demonstrate an ignition switch failure as the cause of the accident? well, we have done quite a bit of homework on this, and there are six, seven, eight different examples of very valuable evidence that will help demonstrate a link between ignition failure and the accident. >> at least 13 people died and many more were injured as a result of the faulty switch. gm employees first knew the switches were a problem ten years ago but the auto maker didn't issue a recall until a decade later. some scary moments in the air at this hour, united airlines is trying to figure out why an emergency slide opened up inside the plane mid flight. it's not supposed to do that. at the back of the plane, playing out there, you see the chute crammed into the rear of the cabin. it was headed from chicago to orange county, california. it had to make an emergency stop in wichita because of this. we're told no one was hurt. no one tried to open the door during flight. we don't know why that chute opened. it is time to go find your phlegm flemish-english dictionary. >> he's not jazzed up about this at all. >> lara balcera is in brazil. knock out or be knocked out is kind of the name of the game, right now, isn't it, lara? >> it absolutely is, mooij and just on that waffle front, that waffle house, the chain in the u.s., it's declared that they want everyone to boycott belgium style waffles. this game was do or die. the usa has to win to stay alive in this world cup. it's going to be a pretty tough game for the usa but they are pretty evenly matched teams, young teams, average as a 26 and 27 for the usa. in terms of experience, both are kind of limited in terms of world cup experience. i think the real key here is going to be the confidence that really comes from this usa coach, jurgen klinsmann. he's been around. he's so confident. he's told all the families to rebook their families so they fly out of brazil after the final of the world cup. that confidence is spilling over into his players. in just a few hours, i'm going to be helding into a press conference. i want to see the mood and see how they are feeling, if they are kpfed confident, laid back, maybe a little ten ative like we did see in the first press conference. that will be in a couple of hours and i'll have all the scoop for you after that. >> we can't wait. we still doend know about jozy altidor, will he take the feel against the belgians? >> his leg injury is coming alo along. of course, we haven't seen him since the first 20 minutes since the first usa game and according to klinsmann, everything is coming along very well and we can expect him to play in the game, but i don't know if he's not there, to me guys, it's not that big of a loss. >> all right. hopefully they feel all of the energy that's coming from the u.s. brazil almost missing out yesterday. that game was crazy -- or day before yesterday, i guess, it was saturday. brazil, i imagine, the country was on edge after almost being defeated and knocked out of the play. >> yeah. no. this was a game that everybody, they were stopped, they were watching this. there were tears flowing after the game with brazil moving on. julio cesar, the keeper for brazil, he was phenomenal. actually saving penalty kicks. that very rarely happens. brazil staying alive, guys. >> barely. they are going to up their game. thank you so much for your reports. get into that team usa meeting. >> u.s. must be feeling pretty good about that if brazil is on shaky terms. ahead for us "@this hour," russia stepping in, sending in fighter jets and military experts to iraq. a big win for hobby lobby, the supreme court siding with the craft retailer against obamacare. are the cards stacking up against president obama? 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don't just visit new york visit tripadvisor new york with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. there is celebration outside the supreme court from christian groups after the court sided with the craft store hobby lobby. the decision means the store does not have to cover certain contraceptives in its health care plan for employees. >> you can hear the excitement there. the decision is a blow to obamacare a little bit and it's another setback to the administration in what has been a difficult year for this white house. joining us to discuss this sally cohen a cohen. you are a progressive and democrat. >> this is a troubling ruling. it's not just troubling for obamacare. we have to read the discents very carefully. it expands the power of corporations at that time a time when corporations are way too powerful in our society. you choose to be a corporation, good on you. you get special rights and privileges when you incorporate. the supreme court also said you get the benefits of being a person. we already said you are a person for political donations and all these other things, corporate personhood now you even get to have a religion. you get both sides. corporate power is too big. the supreme court is doing the bidding of big business. this is a disastrous ruling for women. >> the three female justices dissentd hearing that from sally and the fact that three female justices dissented, does that make you feel there's not a portion of america that won't be agreeing with this ruling? >> we talk about this as a blow to the affordable care act. the catholic church was broadly supportive of the affordable care act. they also favor creating the space of all kind of entities, institutions to live their conscience. the avepr affordable care act did not include this mandate. several of the pro life democrats have voted for the affordable care act have said they would not have voted for the law had this mandate been explicitly dbtd. there are a lot of liberals who support the idea of universal coverage, they would not have supported if it would have imposed on the restrictions of closely held firm, nonprofits. obama administration said no this is not going to apply to religious nonprofits. what that demonstrated there was actually a left burden some way of the government helping people meet their health needs. this was not debated as part of the affordable care act. >> let's back up from the law for a second. talk about the bigger picture for this white house right now. they have had a few rulings now for the supreme court that have gone against them, including one regarding unions. they have had a tough year on many fronts. this feel blocked politically, legally, foreign policy wise. everywhere they look, they are being blocked. >> they are right to be frustrated, when you look at some of the rulings of this court, look again, look at those dissenting opinions, look at the polling of american attitudes about the court. this is frustrating. hobby lobby provided this coverage before they decided to drop it to file suit which was politically motivated. number two, the majority of scientists, there's not even a debate about this, these are not abortion-related contraceptives and this whole suit is based on a false premise. this is ridiculous. sad day. >> sally, rahan thanks for joining us. toronto mayor, rob ford he's back. after taking a couple of months in rehab. in a letter, he wants to make sure his office is the way he left it. the locks work. having a bad day, blame it on facebook, the social media website manipulated its content to see if it would change user's moods. the users didn't know they were being tested. they were messing with me? 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>> i guess that's the campaign along with the election campaign, to sort of convince people that there's a new rob ford and we're about to see him. there's a lot of interest to see exactly that. we've seen some of the snap shots via twitter and the like, and he certainly looks a lot thinner and healthier. talking to him on the phone, i could hear him on the phone yesterday, on his phone, he didn't really want to talk much, because he wanted to do this whole deal today but he sounds from what -- i can tell, he sounds pretty positive and pumped. >> and i think we all need to be careful here because none of us want to make light of someone who clearly has some issues and a problem here, but joe, the other side of this, i think a lot of america is saying this has been going a long time. what have we been doing here for the last year in toronto? this guy is in rehab, youtube videos, he's still running for re-election? could he win? >> you know, he hasn't done nearly anything worth all the attention. i'm glad to be with you on cnn with you, john and michaela. peel back the onion, what is this story really? it's a guy who had some alcohol and some narcotics issues, has never happened before i know in america or in canada and he was in the public eye and they were chasing him pretty hard and he was trying to avoid it and dodge and weave it. it caught up with him. he hasn't been charged with a crime. there's no money missing. he's still number two in the polls. i could see why people wouldn't vote for him because some of the things he said and the behaviors. but i've seen a lot of other comebacks in politics and also in life, so i'm prepared to give the guy that benefit of the doubt to let him at least try. he did go in and deal with his issues. to answer your question, i guess it's a big story because people aren't interested in all kinds of other things like child poverty and all kinds of things. they are interested in this one guy. i don't know why. >> joe, striking a bit of a hopeful tone that maybe the guy has changed his ways. we'll start with you, obviously joe making light of the fact, we've never heard a story like this before, obviously tongue in cheek. it's not something that we've seen in this way particularly and somebody staying in office in the united states. it's surprise to go me that more people haven't come out and said this isn't the kind of guy we want in office? >> part of what happened in toronto is rob ford was stripped of his powers as mayor. the other thing that really bothers me about this story to be honest with you, had rob ford used cocaine would this have been a subject of endless mirth. there is a racial component to this story and in toronto, many of his supporters have been people from racial minorities. he comes from this very wealthy family but he's a guy who is seen as very connected to people from these outer suburb communities. people who are working class, lower middle class, and they feel these attacks on him -- >> are almost attacks against him? >> the fact that he used crack, that's laughable. people are missing that big part of the story, there are people who really feel as though he's one of them. >> and joe brought up a good point, there have been plenty of politicians in the united states who had transgressions of one kind or another. i do what differentiates a little bit is rob ford became very definite and he said a lot of stuff on camera that was not true and offensive. has the media overblown this? >> yes. i think we have. right, this is the media equivalent of click-bait. we're sort of taking, you know, popular reality tv disaster scenarios and trying to sort of turn it into news so we can talk about it again and again. but i'm as much to blame. i see crazy, what did rob do lately? i click on those links too, right. there is some instinct we have to follow these stories. excellent points aside, this is our worst instincts coming to bear what we choose to cover. >> it will be very interesting to see how this. this is the big we question, how torontoians react to the return of their mayor. maybe we can talk to you about that as things progress. one of my favorite canadians we've spoken to today. >> shouldn't i be the favorite? >> oh, canada at this hour. ahead for us, russian fighters jets have arrived in iraq. the terror group pushing its way toward baghdad rebranding itself. how it's name change could help it attract more allies. we'll discuss ahead. move over, u.s. military, russian fighter jets have now arrived in iraq. its army desperately wants to launch air strikes on militants that are advancing towards baghdad. >> those militants have now declared the creation of an islamic state there, a caliphate. let's bring in our guest, a former liaison military officer in baghdad. let's talk about the russian jets. the eye iraqis, especially the i government, who seemed to want to curry favor with the united states, now seems to be going out of its way to poke the u.s. in its eye. >> it gives them a capability they don't have and they desperately need. the u.s. f-16s they purchased are not scheduled for delivery until october. they need something right now. the russians were able to deliver these. this is is impressive. in two days, they're going to be operational. in three to four they'll be in the air, conducting air strikes. this is the capability the iraqi needs. i take my hat off to the russians, they did a great job getting them there. >> do you think this is something that will aid in stemming the tide of isis or however they're now rebranding themselves? do you think that's enough to sort of get back to them and push them back in their efforts to move forward? >> it certainly will give the iraqis capability. right now, they're using a lot of gunships. this is a really good airplane. it's like the u.s. air force a-10. it was built for close air support. it can get down there low and slow and get right on target. >> let's talk about the new islamic state. isis as it was called before is now going by the islamic state. leader has declared a caliphate saying he rules really muslims all over the world but particularly this area. some people suggest this group is overreaching. what do you think? >> i think they're overreaching. on the other hand, we've seen in the last two days people -- different groups in different areas in jordan, in the gaza strip, signing up for allegia e allegiance, saying we want to be part of this. this is something that all of these islamic groups around the world saying this is what wee'v tried -- remember, they've been striving for that. we have somebody who stands up and says we're going to declare the islamic state, it's something these people aspire to and resonates among them. i don't think we should play this down. >> we talked about the military advisers being there, getting a sense of what's happening on the ground. we also hear that the iraqi military is sort of saying they're making some progress against isis or whatever we want to call them. yet iraqi people on the ground are telling us they're not seeing signs of -- presence of troops there. what's the -- there's a big disconnect there. >> there is a big disconnect. you can't just rely on what the iraqi government is telling us. tikrit is the key here. tikrit itself to me isn't that important but it's what it stands for. and this is the chance for the iraqi army to get out and throw them out of tikrit. if the iraqi army can't dislodge them from tikrit, we've got a much bigger problem. >> colonel, really appreciate it. all right, you're going to go on facebook, you're in a good mood, but suddenly the mood darkens. you could have been one of facebook's guinea pigs. we're going to take a look at this little social experiment they had maybe at your expense online. when you compare the top speed of dsl from the phone company with the top speed of comcast business internet... well, there's really no comparison. why pay more for less? call today for a low price on speeds up to 150mbps. and find out more about our two-year price guarantee. comcast business. built for business. you notice any depressed mood after spending time on facebook lately, john? you're lovely. turns out there could be a reason for it. >> facebook is admitting it sort of messed with, adjusted, the news feeds almost 700,000 users. they did it for a week. this was back in 2012. it was part of an experiment on how facebook users react to positive or negative news in their news feeds. at the time, they never told anyone. so what do you think about this? let's bring in our cnn money tech correspondent lori seigel. what is going on here? >> essentially facebook -- first of all, the findings were just published this month. there is this premise, you know when you go to facebook and everybody seems to be living these amazing lives and you think this is depressing. >> vacations and new boyfriends. >> right, they wanted to see, is this a reality, so this did this test. they surfaced negative content in some user's feed, positive in others. now we all take a step back and say, you did what? they changed the emotional state of users. there's been this huge backlash. the question, is this even ethical and did we give you permission to toy with our emotions? >> it turns out we do by signing up and agreeing to their terms of service, we're allowing them to use our data for research, correct? >> absolutely. every time you press i agree, you do that. i want to read to you what they said. we do research to improve our services and to make the content people see on facebook as relevant and engaging as possible. understanding how people respond to different types of content, we carefully consider what research we do and have a strong internal review process. let me say, the data scientists went on facebook and said, you know, our review process is better than it was a couple years ago, and i think it's time for face book to do a little soul searching as to how they use the data and toy with our emotions. >> i expect that in my relationships. i don't necessarily expect it from facebook. but we should because they mess with our news feeds every day. we're not seeing every post from every one of our friends. they pick and choose with these algorithms which is a word that means facebook can do what it wants as far as i know. >> there's about 1,500 posts that they say surface here and there. a lot of this is interesting, they see how you react. a lot of tech companies do this. let's go ahead and say google, twitter. a lot of folks are doing this. now we're reaching this really interesting time where these questions ethics and how much is too much. we're beginning to see. i think this survey really -- this research really showed that maybe they overstepped, but we should understand that we agree to a lot. there are 9,000 words in that data policy agreement, and we agree to all of those. >> yeah, well, look, i'm surprised a little bit by the outrage from people because of the fact we know we're putting our information -- >> i'm not surprised a lot. >> no. laurie seigel, always a pleasure. thank you. >> go to our facebook page. we will never mess with you. as far as you know. >> look at those eyes, don't you think he's going to mess with you just a little bit? >> we're completely honest with all your emotion, always. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> "legal view with ashleigh banfield" starts right now. the government has to butt out of how some businesses provide some contraception for their female workers. today's supreme court ruling is a big blow for the obama administration and it could have a significant impact on companies across the country. plus, a marine faces military justice today. he deserted his unit once in iraq and once back here at home, but will it be proven and will he even face the court marshal for it? and olympian oscar pistorius is back on trial

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