case, it is a training issue, right? here is someone who served on the force for many years. sergeant dorsey who mistook a firearm for a taser. they are built to be different. right? different colors. worn on different sides of the body consistently. different weights. does this get to a training issue as well do you think? >> listen, i don't buy the whole i didn't hwanknow what i had in hand for a minute. we train and we practice looking down the barrel of a gun so we line up our sites. in the four or five seconds she is yelling, taser, taser, taser, she is looking down the barrel of that gun as we are trained to do as she has done for 26 years like i did for 20. and to think that she looked down that barrel of that gun and didn't realize it wasn't yellow, it wasn't a taser, the weight was different, and then fired it anyway, is really inconceivable. >> one other issue. this had been a question, caroline, was the testimony on

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