and so i think deterrence is really the key here. and the indo-pacific command, they are aware of that. the administration is aware of it. and i think we got to show a strong deterrence there. >> i have a hard time imagining many americans, especially after the 20 years of war in afghanistan, and the war in iraq, thinking that they are willing to send one american service member, one man, one woman, one son, one daughter to fight a war against china to protect taiwan. however lofty the goal, however solid the commitment, however important it is to deter china. i just have a tough time imagining any americans saying, yeah, that's worth it. >> i think we are a war-weary nation. the american people, at the end of the day would they be willing to go to war with china over taiwan? and we talk about the democracy and freedom issues, the fact that taiwan is a great intelligence asset for us in the region. but if we don't show that deterrence.