with biden beating trump. in fact, in my hypothetical biden beats trump by the exact same numbers that biden did be trump. in the electoral college is 306 to 2 32 in the popular vote percentage. it's still 51.3 to 46.9, meaning joe biden garnered 81 million votes and donald trump 74 million only in my alternate universe. trump accepts defeat. there's no perfect call to brad raffensperger. john eastman. he never gets near the oval office . mike pence is not leaned on. no alternative slates of electors are ever assembled. january, 6th. it passes like any other day. there's no rally. there's no storming of the capital. and on january 20 donald and melania trump. they attend the biden harris inauguration. there, there. he's not happy about it. he's grumpy. but he's physically there. and as a matter of fact, when the inauguration of biden and harris is concluded, trump boards, marine one he does that loop around the mall, and he heads to andrews. he boards air force one for the final time and route to west palm international airport. upon arrival at mar-a-lago. he begins a new chapter of his life. it's a life of golf. big money speeches. and greeting guests as a gop elder statesman. oh he's still makes mischief via social media, but his days of seeking elective office himself there over instead, he plays king maker he enjoys the adulation of those who come to kiss his ring. but he's no longer in the arena. that's my order that universe and now comes my question to you. would he be facing this indictment from manhattan? d a. alvin bragg in connection with stormy daniels and hush money? and if you're answering that question with a no then what does that say about this indictment? maybe that it's an effort to thwart his current candidacy, and not one solely focused on seven year old facts nor the law. because if. if on tuesday the unsealing reveals what's anticipated. it will be the charging equivalent of the old game of twister. legal gymnastics seeking to elevate a misdemeanor case for falsifying business records, where the statute of limitations has arguably run. into a felony by combining it with an election law charge that even the new york times and washington post have regarded as risky or novel or untested. in fact, speaking of the washington post there, an outlier in the perceived liberal media in their response to the indictment. with an editorial that began this way. donald trump deserves the legal scrutiny. he's getting which has come from many corners on many counts. yet of the long list of alleged violations, the likely charges on which a grand jury in new york state voted to indict him, or perhaps the least compelling there's costs for concern and caution ahead. that same editorial. it sums up this way public perception and political strategy shouldn't dissuade a district attorney from bringing a solid case. but neither should they persuade him to bring a shaky one. this prosecution needs to be airtight . otherwise it's not worth continuing. the post. i think raising the same question that i am is this political public perception and public strategy shouldn't dissuade a district attorney from bringing a solid case, but neither should they persuade him to bring on a shaky one. of course, the prosecution is going to call all of this a matter of prosecutorial discretion. trump is already claiming no, it's selective prosecution. here's one more alternate universe observation with the news of the manhattan d a s indictment, but without yet , having seen a word of it because it hasn't yet been unsealed. republicans rallied around the trump flag in a way that i doubt they would have special counsel jack smith had been the first to indict. house speaker kevin mccarthy tweeted the following alvin bragg has irreparably damaged our country in an attempt to interfere in our presidential election. has he routinely freeze violent criminals to terrorize the public? he weaponized our sacred system of justice against president donald trump. the american people will not tolerate this injustice and the house of representatives will hold alvin bragg and is unprecedented abuse of power to account. ted cruz, a harvard law graduate who clerked for both judge j. michael luttig and then supreme court chief justice william rehnquist and whose wife and father trump skewered when he was running for the white house. nevertheless, tweeted this he said the democrat parties hatred for donald trump knows no bounds. the substance of this political persecution is utter garbage. this is completely unprecedented and his catastrophic as an escalation in the weaponization of the justice system. perhaps most shockingly , trump's most prominent likely opponent for the 2024 gop nomination, ron desantis. also by the way, harvard law grad echo the accusation of weaponization and added his own politicization. calling the indictment on american quote florida will not assist in an extradition request, given the questionable circumstances at issue with this sorrows bag manhattan prosecutor in his political agenda. by the way. george soros this week said he doesn't even know alvin bragg. well here's my observation. i suspect that if some of those supporting trump now could determine his future in a secret ballot. they'd sink him. but they're afraid of alienating the mega base, especially former vice president mike pence. given the subject matter here, money paid to a porn star. this was an easy political call for them to make, but if it hadn't been brag , drawing first blood instead jack smith for an obstruction charge based on the mar-a-lago documents, i think far fewer gop leaders would have said much as all remember, as i explained here last week in ordering trump lawyer evan corcoran to testify in that case. federal district court judge borough how determined that the government had made a prima facie is showing that trump had committed criminal violations and the court of appeals for the district of columbia. they agreed. i want to know what you think. go to smerconish .com this hour and vote on today's poll question. would donald trump have been indicted by alvin bragg if trump were not running for president? joining me now to discuss is former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland, anthony coley. who also served as chief spokesman for the department of justice and cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. elie honig is the author of the recent book on touchable. how powerful people get away with it, ellie would donald trump have been indicted if he'd gone quietly into the night after the 2020 election? so michael, i can absolutely see the mirror in both sides of this argument. we can't get inside alvin bragg's head, but the fact that i can see both sides of it, i think is a problem in itself. so on the one hand, i know alvin bragg personally. i worked with him at the southern district of new york for several years. i know him to be nothing but a straightforward, honest ethical prosecutor. on the other hand, if you look at the circumstances here, we have to acknowledge the u. s justice department the same office. alvin and i worked at the southern district of new york passed on charging donald trump in january. 2021 they could have they looked at the case decided not to alvin brags predecessor as d. a cy vance had this case in front of him for over a year and did not charge it. and i think the big question that brag, ultimately has to answer through his evidence through his indictment. maybe through his public statement is why now? why 6.5 years after the fact on charges that will be either misdemeanors or the lowest level felony, and i think that gives rise to legitimate questions like the ones you're raising. anthony i see you, i think, shaking your head. respond to what you just heard. ellie say. well, thank you, michael. for having me. i think ellie is right. i would point out first and foremost that none of us have seen the facts here. at this point, there is no factual basis to assert that alvin bragg is acting in any way country to the rule of law. it's a bit disheartening to see commentary in action on both the left and the right. i was this hard to see this blur from mccarthy. the end and others at this point because no one has seen the charging documents is disingenuous. it's misleading to suggest that alvin bragg is acting in a way that is political own the left. i would also point out, michael, i've been this hard to see fundraising by certain certain democrats like adam shift of california who is encouraging his supporters. the send him $10 to defend and himself against expected attacks against donald trump. here's what i would suggest your viewers and anyone who is trying to do who wants to cut through the noise who wants to cut through the political, the political theater. let's listen. let's look at the charging documents on tuesday and ask yourself this question. is donald trump being treated like every other defendants who has been charged with falsifying business document that is the essence of the rule of law, and that's what we should expect from all of our prosecutors and michael. i want to make one final point here. this is important because there has been some suggestion by some in the media to suggest that these charges are not the bread and butter work of the manhattan district attorney. we've seen in some recent reporting is that since alvin brad came district attorney, his office has charged 29 individuals and organizations with falsifying business records . some 117 counts over the course of the last 15 months, so i'm going to be looking at the actual evidence. they're charging documents to see if donald trump is being treated the same way as many of those other defendants. over the last 15 months. anthony but anthony in how many of those cases was the falsification charge brought seven years later and with some unique pairing to an election claim that, the new york times and washington post say is novel and risky. that's not like drudge and breitbart. that's the washington post, the new york times say wow, man, this is unprecedented. so, michael, i hear the question is the right question. i think that we should all just take a step back. we don't know the evidence. we don't know. um, we know that a lot of individuals, including people from the trump campaign, have gone and visited the grand jury. there's a lot we don't know here and so i would encourage everyone to take a step back. let's read the documents and remember that if we go down this road, it might be unique for us, but other major democracies, including france, and israel, and others have charged former heads of state with crimes and they were all right. we will be all right as well. if we are going to go down this uncharted path. anthony thank you for that, ellie. of course he's right that we haven't seen the indictment because it's sealed, but 30 some charges. you know, you can connect the dots, can't you? there were several payments made by michael cohen. if you then factor in the election charges that would correspond to either it seems to jive with what we think we know and who we've seen go through the door of the courthouse. to testify in front of the grand jury. right we don't know nothing. we don't have to throw our hands up and say who's to judge. i mean, we know the witnesses who have been in there we michael cullen has been quite outspoken about exactly what he's testified about. we know that the heart of these charges, which there has been an indictment will focus on those hush money payments. and you know, i'm aware of the analysis that anthony sites it was put out by the manhattan d a s office. i think in in anticipation of just this type of question, but that analysis. while it's useful to know those numbers does not even begin to answer the core question. first of all, they give us the numerator, but not the denominator. they tell us how many cases they charge, but they don't tell us how many cases they passed on. also the analysis completely overlooks the fact that prosecutors have to use their discretion. they have to evaluate each case on its own merits. and if you look at that analysis first of all, michael. there's the legal problem that you and the washington post and the new york times point out about state prosecutors charging a violation of federal election law. i think they're gonna have a real legal problem there, too. but there's also the problem that if you look at those cases that were charged, the fact patterns are very different. all of those cases virtually all of those cases involved somebody falsifying business records, then taking those records outside of their organization, using those business records to steal money from a bank from a lender from an investor. from a customer here. we don't know that the trump organ ever took those documents outside of their organization seems like they were just in house at trump work. and then the campaign finance issue is completely different from a financial type theft that usually animates these cases. gentlemen i'm limited on time. here's a social media. can we put this up on the screen? i don't know what's coming, but but i would like to lean on both of these fellas to see okay, steve says trump just wrapped up the nomination. with that indictment, he'll still lose the general anthony. you probably want to stay out of the politics. but do you want to say anything about that? what are quickly what are the political ramifications of all of this? so i think what we've seen over the last 10 days or so is trump rallying his base complete. we expect what we've seen over the last several days to continue, which is the republican establishment continue to rally around him. i think steve is right. this will help him in the short term. politically i don't know about the long term i am from north carolina has spent a lot of time outside of the district of columbia. and what i'm hearing from people is that they're ready to turn the page. um from all things, donald trump, and i'm hearing that from democrats. and republicans. and so i think, honestly, steve may be onto something. this may help him with his base, but over the long term, i think it's a political um, loser. ellie 10 seconds. go ahead. a lot of people are worried that prosecutors here collectively are leading with their chin with the weakest charge. i do play some of the blame on that on the united states department of justice. i've been saying for years now there are two plus years out by failing to bring january 6th charges or mar-a-lago charges in a timely manner. they've led to this situation where the weakest charges going first. amen amen to that. amen to that, gentlemen . excellent thank you so much. i hope you'll you'll both come back. remember i want to know what everybody thinks. in terms of my commentary go to my website. it's smerconish .com. answer this week's poll question . would donald trump have been indicted by alvin bragg? 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yeah but you're scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could. they didn't stop to think they should. your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could. they didn't stop to think if they should classic line now a point being made by leading tech tycoons about artificial intelligence in an open letter more than 2000 industry experts , including elon musk and apple co founder steve wozniak, are raising the alarm. and calling on all ai labs to immediately pause for at least six months. the training of ai systems more powerful than gpt, four. the letter also calls for more regulation of ai systems, including oversight and tracking. watermarks to help distinguish between real and artificial images. funding for a i safety research and resources for economic and political disruptions caused by a i my next guest is a signer of that letter. stuart russell literally wrote the book on a. i is the co author of artificial intelligence, a modern approach that's a textbook used in 1500 universities in 135 countries. he's also a professor of computer science at the university of california at berkeley and a leading ai researcher. dr russell. thank you so much for being here, a new york times reporter shared a gpt conversation where i'm sure you saw it. a. i encouraged him to leave his wife. worse in belgium, someone was encouraged to commit suicide and apparently did what is it that you have seen that most alarmed you? so the thing that's worrying me and the reason i signed this open letter this request for moratorium is that these systems are clearly very powerful. in fact, microsoft whose a part owner of open ai, which created gpt for the latest system, ah is claiming that the system shows sparks of what is called artificial general intelligence , which means a i systems that are more intelligent than human beings along every dimension. so we have a system that is showing sparks of a g i as we call it, um, but whose internal operations? we have absolutely no idea about. and just to emphasize that i asked microsoft does this system now have internal goals of its own that it's pursuing, and they said. are you then? i think you must be taking a lot of value. for your fears to be realized. must ai take on an evil intent or an evil purpose? not at all. in fact, almost any purpose is going to cause problems because a system that pursues a purpose , even something as simple as fetch a cup of coffee, or, you know, sit in the corner and make some paperclips. if it takes that goal literally and pursues it to the absolute ultimate end. then it could for that purpose. take over all the resources of the earth in order to achieve its goal more successfully. in general, we call this the misalignment problem that we create systems that are not aligned correctly with the wishes of the human race about its future, and since it's not aligned, and it's more intelligent than us, at least hypothetically. ah it ends up with what it wants, and we don't end up with what we want. one will artificial intelligence. some future incarnation of gpt do something because it wants to and not because we've asked it to. so it's possible as microsoft said they don't know if the system has learned its own internal goals. it's possible that gpt four is already doing things to pursue its internal goals. rather than what we've asked it to do. and if you read that conversation in the new york times, where the system is trying to convince kevin to leave, his wife goes on for pages and pages, badgering him and giving all kinds of reasons why kevin should fall in love with it, and so on. it looks like a system that is pursuing its own. internal purposes, but because this is a black box. it's a box with trillions of parameters that are trained by billions of trillions of random mutations. we actually have no idea how it's working inside and what we're asking. to happen is that before people deploy any more powerful systems like this that they show to the satisfaction of experts. that it does not present an undue risk, and this is something that governments have already signed up to. this is not a bunch of fringe loonies saying stop, stop ! stop with simply asking that the companies and the government's follow the principles that they already agreed to that they'd be reasonable risk management. reasonable precautions taken. so the letter caught my eye. truth be told, because elon musk signed it, and because was signed it in my house. it was a big dinner conversation that stuart russell had signed it because my sons have been educated in this matter like oh, russell signed it. you know, they got the book. the reaction . i want to ask of you. is this what about russia? what about china? what if we in the states and the western world do what you want? they're not going to play ball. they're just going to keep doing what they're doing. so interestingly, xi jinping has actually referred to the existential threat that ai presents in the long run. to humanity. um and chinese government policy on a i is actually very strict. it's in nobody's interest for any country to develop a i systems that we cannot control. we all lose just as we all lost when chernobyl exploded. that was the end of the nuclear industry. so in fact, it's in the interests of all these countries to cooperate, and i believe this is possible through cooperation directly between countries, or perhaps under the auspices of the united nations. dr russel. i'm going to put up a social media reaction. i'll read it because you probably can't see it will answer together. i want to lean on your expertise. watch captain says not pause but restricted from certain areas such as banking, trading and medical processes. would that be enough? as certainly not, um, there are, as you pointed out in your opening. there are many uses of these systems that startup companies are convincing people that they can get psychological help. by talking to a computer. and we have examples of suicide. we have examples of exacerbating mental health crises, particularly when the system stops responding to people's romantic advances, they feel even more rejected than they would if it was a human being. so there are many, many cases like this where there's irresponsible uses. um and i would say that the systems that exist now. probably don't. as they currently exist. present a direct threat to our control. there are some technical reasons why they don't have the ability to form and execute very complex long term plans. but we have no guarantees about future systems , and the systems already are out. there are causing a lot of problems. dr russel. thank you so much. really appreciate having you here. nice talking to you, michael. make sure you're going to my website. it's smerconish .com. this our voting on this week's provocative poll question with donald trump have been indicted by alvin bragg. if trump were not currently running for president, you can use the qr code is a matter of fact. up ahead. i'll do a deep dive into the stark contrast between law enforcement responses to mass school shootings with the former fbi agent who created the bureau's active shooter protocol , plus a quarter of a century can definitely shake up an economy can alter the makeup of our nation's character. why the definition of the american dream might be changing. how can you tell which one is the better deal bringing dad from sarasota? 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in the most recent videotape? me and a bunch of other people created that program. but what do i see? i think it's really view. it's really wonderful that people can see really what's happening instead of the idea of what we see on television because because what we see in this video is officers who are breathing heavily and working together to get to that site. and it's even though some people say oh, 15 minutes. why did it take them so long? because your feet have to hit the ground for every step. and these officers are all working with life, you know, fire weapons, carrying around looking for somebody and raising a gun to shoot at somebody. you can't you can't shoot. you know anybody. you have to be careful when you're shooting at right there. students at schools filled. you're looking for one person and the schools filled with other people who are innocent. so what i saw in the difference was go ahead. i was gonna say they they're communicating the whole time, and i know the feeling. i'll bet many of us know the feeling of having a burglary, arm or fire alarm. go off in your house. it's very disorienting. so you know there's a lot going on. obviously there's gunfire going on, and yet they seem to keep it all together and communicate with one another. you know that's training. that's the training that you see is those officers have those loud blaring alarms of fire alarm can sometimes go off as we saw in parkland simply because of the smoke from the gunshot sounds, and so they've got a loud blaring fire alarm going off and they're yelling at each other. and people might say it seems confusing. yeah that communication is essential in order for them to be careful to move carefully through that building as fast as they can. and you the other thing i think you hear when you hear that is the breathing the cadence. of them. they're frantically trying to get there. but you can also hear a little ways through this . the nashville videos. you can hear the gunshots go off and you know one of the things that is, i think it's helpful for people to understand a lot of times we hear. i didn't i thought that was firecrackers or i thought it was a car backfiring. no gunshots are very specific and you can hear them. they come in a cadence boom, boom, boom, boom , boom, and you can hear it in this video. so when people don't know what what to listen for? this is a good example. ample you know, i was also thinking about the school response because to my untrained eye when police arrive on the scene, it seems like they're given very clear instruction. very clear direction, a better a better descriptor. and also, you know, there's the key going in the lock. you might not be able to see it, but boom they get access. yes and that is crisis planning that a lot of places don't have. i tell that's one of the things that i work with my in my consulting work i do so much is that law enforcement doesn't know the building when they come in they fire department doesn't know who's where they don't know how to turn the fire alarm off. they don't know how to turn water sprinklers off if the water system starts going in when you have a crisis team for your company for your school, that's there and meets do you notice those individuals were hugging the walls? the brick walls. they're staying right near the brick wall, so they're safe, but they're there to tell lauren force mint. here's what we know. and right away. you hear them, say second floor. there's somebody on the second floor. we think right and the officers are sending teams in in the first thing. i think you're hearing a lot of times in the audio is, um, three. i need three. that's the officer saying, i need three people to take the three of us through the school so we can clear doorways as quickly as possible. there's a difference between one person running in and hoping for the best and three going. in where you have all those eyes. brave heroic. amazing they were amazing. thank you so much for coming back. i was thinking of you watching the film this weekend and saying i wonder what catherine sh white thinks when she sees it now, i know. appreciate it so much. thank you. thank you very much. still to come. our american values and priorities shifting. a new wall street journal poll has me asking if we're no longer united by patriotism. religion and the prospect of having kids then what defines us? 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will enjoy a higher standard of living than your generation. in 1998 those who said yes, we're 64% today it's down to 21% there's also been a big shift in what americans value and prioritize 25 years ago, 47% said. community involvement was very important in 2019. it had gone up to 62% now that number has plummeted to 27. 1998 59% said, having children very important today, it's 30% half as much. only one value that the journal tested has actually grown in importance in the past quarter century. money. in 1998. it was labeled very important by 31% today, 43. joining me now is aaron zitner, a reporter and editor for the wall street journal's d. c bureau. he works on polling and politics. and, he wrote this piece about the poll titled america pulls back from values that once defined it, okay, aaron, if not patriotism, if not religion, or having kids, then what is it that binds us defines us today? well, that's that's the question, isn't it? michael i mean, the big finding in this poll is if you spin back 25 years, you could find a set of values and priorities that so many americans deemed not only to be important, but very important that you can see that they helped define the american character and those of dissipated and right now. this poll suggests that the one thing where united and is our pessimism because pessimism about the economy right now is pervasive and it creates across political parties. and it's a little inexplicable because the job market is good and the stock market had a pretty good quarter. and yet people seem to be very unhappy now. yeah i have it on the screen. now do you think the economy will get better in the next year? only 15% say that they do. and i guess that's tied also to your happiness, finding. oh, yeah, that is a landmark finding there were a number of landmark findings in this poll, and we asked the simple question. we've been doing this since 1972 or our partners at the polling from north have been doing it since 1972. we just ask. are you happy ? and in this poll, only 12% of people said that they were very happy and that is a record low. going back to 1972 the least happy offered that you could pick here was i'm not too happy . a record high of 30% said that , uh, there's again just a sense . if you look at the economy, we know where politically divided that things are kind of broken, and that's probably why so many people when we ask what do you think about patriotism? is that very important? that people kind of back away from it at least don't embrace it as much as in the past for me, an aspect of the country and the american dream is the idea that if you work hard, you'll need a little bit of good fortune. but if you work hard, chances are you're going to better the economic standing of your parents. that's certainly been my experience. but i have to say i'm a part of these numbers because as i then look at our four children, and i say, well, you know what does their future look like? i don't know. maybe this was all natural . if everybody today is a flat screen and a smartphone, maybe we peaked. yeah i you know, i agree with everything you're saying, and your assessment of this one other landmark finding that helps, i think explain that feeling is we've asked three times, starting in 2013 about college and college has always been seen as a ladder into the middle class and a tool to get a, you know, build a good career and earn high incomes over your lifetime. you know when we asked in 2013 is college worth it by 13% points more people said. yeah, college degree is worth it. it's your ticket into the dance. now by a margin of 14% points, people feel the other way. they feel college is not worth it. 42% say college is worth it. 56% say they agree with the proposition that it leaves you with a lot of debt and not many job skills. that is a tremendous change in, uh, in american society. we've always valued college, even 42% of people with a college degree in this survey said they didn't think of college degree was worth the cost. i'm worried about the disengagement that i'm reading in your numbers and the diminished value, for example, that people put in community involvement. that was another one. i know patriotism gets all the headlines and appropriately so, but community involvement was a stunner. hey, by the way, may i recognize your wall street journal colleague evan herskovits, who's detained in russia and has been accused of spying and we wish godspeed for his return and for all good things to him, michael. thank you. thank you so much for that one value. we did not test is freedom of the press. i sure hope and the wall street journal hopes that are wall street journal colleague evan gerstner , which is freed immediately. we hope that americans rise and let their voices be known that freedom of the press is important and keep the pressure on our government and other governments to work with the russians to free evan, who is right now in a kgb prison and fsb prison for gathering information in an important country so that we in america can better understand the world. amen. to all of that. thank you for being here. thank you, michael. still to come more of your best and worst social media comments and the final result. have you voted on today's provocative poll? 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