parakiles, a u.s. foreign policy consultant and an associate at lse ideas. that is a think tank at the london school of economics. thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> good morning. >> so how significant might gordon sondland's public testimony be, do you think, in light of these new details in "the wall street journal" that he apparently kept the trump administration apprised of efforts to get ukraine to investigate the bidens ahead of the president's infamous july 25th call? >> i think it's a little bit tricky to decide in advance how significant one thing or another might be. but there is some suggestion that sondland's testimony might be more significant than the testimonies we've seen so far because first of all, sondland had to revise his previous testimony given behind closed doors. he reversed his decision to not testify originally. sondland is caught in the middle of all this.

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