reference. calm seas, glassy water, anything like that you're going to have a very difficult time judging depth. 200 feet per minute on the rate of descent on the vert kl speed. in the middle of the ocean if you don't have an altimeter setting you don't have a frame of reference. you only have your bsi. i forget what your question was. >> mitch, i think you just made a brilliant point which is if the pilots were in control, they'd never let the situation happen where they'd actually run out of fuel. they'd realize they had no other option and they'd make a powered approach on to the ocean. i think that's a brilliant point you just made. >> i'm going to add one extra question to that, mitch. that's this. with our brand-new map we received today that shows a very curious route, skirting the northern part of indonesia and then arcing back around southward and flying on for several hours southward to the south indian ocean, is there any circumstance that you can imagine where there would be two pilots who are still in any kind of control of that plane or