them. >> bob, what happens if bernie sanders wins iowa and wins at the moment he's predicted to wins new hampshire, they're neck and neck in iowa, then what happens to hillary clinton in this race? >> i don't know. i mean i'm going through my sixth presidential race. no, let me give you a couple answers. first of all, hillary clinton has been on the defensive now for a quarter of a century. if you think about that, she has been -- ever since she got into public life, she's been under attack, an easy target. after a while people start saying why is she always under attack. and then the trust factor builds in. her trust numbers are high and they won't change. this is not somebody that you can change the views of people who have watched her for a long time. that's one. secondly, yes, sanders message is good in new hampshire, but i could get 40% against hillary clinton in new hampshire. having said that, sanders conditions beat her, i don't think, in the long run.