their minds made up no matter what story was told. >> ben? >> we've always said this was going to be a litmus test how far we had come in equal justice, because you want to believe no matter who is on a jury, that the victim, whoever they may be, can get a fair trial. and we were hoping for that. but as mr. martin was alluding to, they never saw trayvon's perspective. when you listen to the person you interviewed, they always looked at it from the adult perspective. they never looked at it from a child's perspective, trying to get home running, with the objective evidence. and that trayvon was defending his life. he went to his grave not knowing who this creepy strange man was. >> we got to take a quick break. when we come back, i want to talk more about what the jury perceived. i interviewed juror b37.