between an attorney and their clie client, in this case the president, is very sacrosanct. so to breach that is not the precedent we should be set persian gulf. >> the judge, not the first judge to do so, thsays that bas doesn't hold water. these are duly commissioned -- >> their subpoenas matter but not for this particular witch hunt. the substance absolutely matters. i disagree with her. i think she'll be overturned. >> that's the beauty of the system. you don't have to like it but you must obey. no judge is going to call it a witch hunt. we can guarantee that right now. what will it mean in terms of subject matter what they get up there to testify? >> first of all, it is going to be really hard to draw a distinction between don mcgahn and the need for congress and entitlement of congress to have that testimony and the need for congress if they choose to take