>> would you fix your tie, please? david: well, people wouldn't recognize me if my tie was fixed, but ok. just leave it this way. alright. ♪ >> i don't consider myself a journalist. nobody else would consider myself a journalist. i began to take on the life of being an interviewer even though i have a day job running a private equity firm. how do you define leadership? what is it that makes somebody tick? >> hello. >> the live audience does not intimidate you, right? >> i feel right at home actually. it is the one thing i miss from the daily show. every now and then someone will say, do you miss the show? no, i don't miss the show. i miss the people, the camaraderie, because what i did every day is have my own after show with the audience. i would talk with the audience after every show starting 10 years in. at first, i did autographs every day and never look up. then, one day i decided i don't want to do that anymore, but what do i really want to do? i want to talk to this audience and find out where they are from. that became my favorite part of the day. it was my own personal focus group. i used the information i gathered every day from people who were the greatest resource. they were viewers who had taken the time to come with their daughters, cousins, well, i came to opera. >> that show was on for 25 years in chicago. when you did it, you almost 50 one emmy awards. it was floated when the best tv shows in the history of tv. you into did after 25 years to do other things, but no regrets about ending that show? >> no, no regrets whatsoever. i did not want to be punchdrunk in the ring is still trying to come up with what is the next thing, because over the years, we became our own greatest competition. so when i first started, i went national in 1986. every time there was another talk show, geraldo rivera, what are we going to do? ofn i realized a couple years in that you run your own race better than anybody. if you take the time to see what everyone else is doing, you lose your ground, and i could be a better me than anybody else. so there is no need to try to compare myself with other people. so once i got that, we hit our own rhythm, and once i discovered it was not just a show, but that it was a platform in which to speak to the world, and then, that was about 1989, when i thought, ok, what do you want to say to the world? how do you want to be used and not have the tv use you? but how do i want to use it? david: what drives you to keep working so hard? you and i are in the 60's category, and so when you are in your 60's, you have lived more than you will live. when you realize that you have lived more than you will live, you say why not relax a little , bit, ease up? why have you decided to work harder than ever before? oprah: the thing that works for me all these years, whether the magazine, which i still have, or whether it was the show, i understood that there is a common denominator in human experience, and i want the same thing you want, which is the same thing you want and you want. what we all want is to be able to live out the truest, highest expression of ourselves as a human being. that does not end until you take your last breath. what is the truest, highest, vision you hold for yourself? no matter where you are, there is always the next level to the last breath, so i feel i always knew that i would be done with the show when i felt i said as much as i could say here on this platform, and then how will i be used? if there were a theme song to my life, amazing grace would be one of them, and people using me to use people would be another one, you know? so i feel that until you have used your value as a human being, that you are not done. david: today, if you look back on what you have achieved already and suppose you have a long way to go before you are finished achieving everything, what are the greatest pleasures you have received or what are you most proud of? oprah: this is good. thank you. david: i watch your interview shows. i know how to do some interviewing. oprah: i think the thing i am most proud of, it reminds me of when i had done my school in south africa. i have a school in south africa for girls. and i wanted to create this school -- david: this just celebrated its 10th anniversary? oprah: it just celebrated its 10th anniversary. i have girls from brown to stanford, all over the united states. i have 10 graduations to attend in 2017. i remember when i started the school and said to my beloved friend maya angelou, i am so proud that i will be able to create the school. this will be my greatest legacy. aya said to me you have no , idea. you have no idea what your legacy will be because your legacy is every life you have touched. and that shifted the way i saw legacy come away to leave behind, or what you do, because maya was explained to me that over the years of watching your show, everyone who decided they would go back to school, lose weight, no longer hit their children, get out of a bad marriage, all of those people who have seen and experienced your voice, and the same with everybody here, you have no idea what your legacy will be. your legacy is every life you have touched. we like to think of it, i know you have done amazing things with your philanthropy. we like to think that these great philanthropic moments are the ones that leave the impact or will make the huge difference in the world, but it is really what you do every day, how you use your life to be a light to somebody else. and it is how you use your work as an expression of your own art, whatever that is. i think, i would say the girls as i get to watch them now graduate from college and move into their lives, but really there is a moment that happened to me just about a year after i went national. there was a woman in ann arbor, michigan who wrote me a letter that will go on my -- i will not have a tombstone, but if i would have a tombstone, it would go there. she said, oprah, watching you be yourself every day makes me want to be more of myself, and i just don't know of anything better than that, so i am most proud of -- just yesterday, i went to see -- and in a bathroom, this woman comes up to me and says, you know, i have watched you all these years, and you did so much for me. i used to hear people say i love you and watch your show, and about 10 years in, about the time i started to talk to the audience, i would stop people and say, so tell me what is it that moved you? why do you love the show? in this woman said to me just yesterday, you helped me to be more of myself. so that is my -- david: being oprah, is it hard to go to the bathroom in these public places? wasn't that kind of challenging at times? oprah: as a matter of fact, it was, because there was another lady talking to me because she thought i did not do enough for mrs. clinton. she came out of the stall, a woman said leave oprah alone. she is just trying to pee. and she followed me out talking about what i could've done, should of done. david: very few people are known by one name, oprah, elvis, jesus, very few people. oprah: it is only when i was challenged with the idea of changing it that i thought no, i will keep my name. ♪ david: you think about what you accomplished, you came from modest circumstances. oprah: modest is not the word. [laughter] oprah: i was actually poor. a lot of the girls at my school, actually all the girls from my school, are poor, and i was just saying to them this week when i was in south africa for a graduation, i was saying you all come from the same circumstances. one girl raised her hand and said i don't like using that word. i said if you are not poor, you should excuse yourself. that is why i am paying for you. oprah[laughter] i don't have a problem with the word. i don't have any shame about it. i think probably earlier in my life or career that the word would have bothered me, but i was poor. no running water, david, or electricity, living with an outhouse, ok? that is poor. david: but you were also shuttled between your mother, grandmother, grandfather, so at what point did you realize you had skills? that would enable you to rise up? oprah: i think in kindergarten, i kind of felt it. [laughter] david: nice. did other people agree that you are going to be special? oprah: my grandmother used to raise me on this acre, i used to call at a farm, then i went back and saw it, it wasn't a farm. i remember my grandmother taught me how to read. so i grew up learning how to read, and i read bible verses. so by the time i was six and got shuttled to milwaukee in the because my birthday came at the wrong time, the grace for me is that i didn't spend a day in a segregated school, so i did not have one moment of ever being conditioned to believe that i was less than anybody, so when i walked into my first kindergarten class, the first time i had ever seen little white children that my grandmother did not work for, and everybody was doing their whythings, and i was like, are you doing abcs? i wrote my kindergarten teacher a letter and said, i do not belong here. [laughter] oprah: so, because i know a lot of big words, and then i proceeded to write every big word i knew, and everybody who wass the bible here -- it jeremiah, then i put in elephant and hippopotamus. i saw the impression it made on her. david: speaking of big words and bible, your first name came from a biblical source, but it was supposed to be how did it get to be oprah? oprah: misspelled the first day i went to school and it stayed that way. david: very few people are known by one name, there is oprah, elvis, jesus, but suppose your name which was just mary or jane? oprah: it would not have worked. david: ok. oprah: i remember once being in baltimore and i had a director when i first came to work in baltimore had said to me we have to do something about that name. we need to do something about that because nobody is going to remember or know how to pronounce it. up until that time, i wanted to have a name like everybody else, so it was only when my bosses told me that i needed to think about changing it and they mentioned suzy, because suzy is friendly. suzy -- suzyay winfrey, eyewitness news, a friendly thing, but it was only when i was challenged with the idea of changing it that i thought, no, i will keep my name. so when i started in baltimore, your mother can tell you this, they started me with a campaign called what is oprah, trying to explain to people how to pronounce the name. david: so those who may not know your background, you went to college in tennessee, then you worked in the tennessee broadcasting operation, then you were recruited to go to baltimore, my hometown, and what you are referring to is that my mother would watch you and call me up and say there is a terrific person on a show here. she is going national. i said, well, really? she was right. oprah: your mother knew. david: she's smart. you should listen to your mother. when you went to baltimore, you went to become an anchorwoman. it didn't quite work out. oprah: i was fired. [laughter] i got demoted. david: they had a contract, so they did not say goodbye. how did you work out to be on an afternoon show? uf she got to be an interviewer. -- you actually got to be an interviewer. how did that happen? oprah: this is what i now know with age and perspective, that many times getting demoted is an opportunity for something else to show up, or getting fired. a lot of people i have interviewed, there have been stories about the best thing that ever happened to you. i was not a good television reporter. i was too emotional. i would doubt on the on the stories and try to take blankets to the people. david: you were young, 21? oprah: i was empathetic and getting written up for getting myself involved in other people's business. i was making $22,000 a year, and my best friend gayle, she was also working there. she said, oh, my god, you are 22 and making $22,000. imagine when you are 25, 30? i would be making about 60,000 right now, 62,000. [laughter] oprah: that did not work out. once i got demoted, they did not want to pay out my contract. i was making $25,000 a year. they did not want to pay me the $25,000, so they kept me on and said we will put you on this talkshow to run out your contract. david: the person who wanted to who demoted you, has that person risen in the broadcast world? oprah: i think they did, moved on, worked out. david: when did you realize you have a skill as an interviewer? oprah: what gave me the power in the seat and the power with a microphone was i always saw myself as the surrogate for the audience. ♪ david: the show worked very well, and all of a sudden your contract is up for renewal and somebody comes along and says how about a show in chicago? why don't you do a show in chicago? and you decided to leave, is that right? oprah: i decided to leave. my contract was not up at the time. i started feeling like, i think everybody knows, i have moved my whole life on instinct. i feel like now it is time to let the show go. i feel it is time to move on, because i have grown as much as i can grow. when i grow as much as i can grow in a space, that is my instinct to move. so i started to feel like i needed to move someplace else. new york felt too crowded, too hard to get around. it was the number one market. everybody wanted to come here. i had an agent at the time and said to the agent, i just want to be a substitute for joan lunden. lunden? joan could you just get me a job as a substitute for her when she goes on vacation and maybe she wants to take a break? and that agent said to me that will never happen because they already have one black person. i said, really? he said, yes, it is bryant gumbel. i said it is another station. he is on another station. so maybe they will take one more, but he said, no. i let that agent go. i ended up going to chicago because i was on somebody else's audition tape actually good one .f my producers had gon one of my producers had gone there. she called me up and said a producer just saw you on my tape and wants to know if you would be interested in doing a job here. that is how it happened. david: you got there. it was an existing show. and you took it over, and all of a sudden it got popular and they change the name to the oprah winfrey show. oprah: they were calling it "in chicago." this is the thing, every single other person than my friend gayle said you are going to fail in chicago because i was going to be going up against phil donahue. david: phil who? [laughter] [applause] on.d: come right. oprah: it didn't matter to me, because i did not think he was beatable, and i actually said it to my boss, dennis swanson, who has gone on to do great things in television. dennis swanson said we know you can't beat him, so don't worry about it. just be yourself. and that saved me. imagine little chubby meet with the jerry curl being told now you have got to go and be phil donahue. we were just a local show here, so if you can just get a number, we will take it. i had no pressure, no pressure, so i just went on the air and was myself. david: so he ultimately left chicago and moved to new york because of the competition -- oprah: i beat him, david, i did. david: right. i know. [laughter] [applause] oprah: i wasn't even trying to, but it is just like -- david: i'm sympathetic to white men with white hair, but you did very well. [laughter] he was actually so gracious, and i have always said had there not been a phil donahue, there could not have then an oprah show. he paved the way for that kind of audience, smart women at home, many of them stay at home mothers, taking care of their kids, some of them going back into the workforce in the mid-1980's when i started who were interested in talking about purposeful things, meaningful things. so he opened that door. david: when did you realize in chicago or baltimore that you actually had a skill as an interviewer better than anybody else, and where do you think it came from? oprah: i never thought it was better than anybody else. what i do think i have that is uniquely my own is my ability to connect to the audience, because my skill comes not from my interviewing ability. my skill comes from my listening ability, and my skill comes from me knowing fundamentally inside myself that i am no different than the audience, so what gave me the power in the seat and the power with the microphone was that i always saw myself as the surrogate for the audience, so i would ask people questions that i would not normally ask. i mean i asked him really embarrassing questions, not because i wanted to know the answer, but because i thought the audience did, and then i thought i will not ask what the audience wants the next time when i get in that situation. i asked sally field when she was dating burt reynolds, i asked e -- iember this, gayl asked sally field if he slept with his toupee on. david: what was the answer? or the question? oprah: i would never do that today. i was doing it because i was getting pushed by the producers. people want to know. he want to know it so i thought i was doing it on behalf of the audience. people want to know. i thought i was doing it on behalf of the audience. she shut down and i could see that it embarrassed her, and i never got another thing from her. i learned from that. david: while you were doing the show, you got the opportunity to be an actress in the "color purple." oprah: yes. i don't even have time for this story. i never wanted anything more in my life, david, and haven't wanted anything as much since as much as i want to the "color purple." i read the book. i had seen a review in the new york times, so i started hearing there were going to do a movie. long story short, i auditioned for the movie only because quincy jones happened to be, no such thing as happenstance quincy jones was going to , chicago, my little show, am chicago was on. they were looking for an actress to play this part. he is coming out of his shower after taking the red eye. he is there for a deposition because he is testifying on behalf of michael jackson, someone said billie jean is their lover or whatever. [laughter] oprah: so he is there in chicago, coming out of the and he the tv set is on, sees me on a.m. chicago and thinks, i think that girl can be in a movie, so he tells his people, who call me. i had been praying and hoping to be in this movie, the "color purple," and i get a call. one day i am just in my office and the casting agent says i'm calling about a movie we are doing. would you be interested in coming to audition? the movie is called "moon song." i said i was not praying for a movie called "moon song." he said it was called that because that is what they were calling it. i went to audition for it and i knew it was the color purple. david: so you got the part? oprah: i got the part. god knows i do. dead before i -- david: you were nominated for an academy award, should have won, but did not win. oprah: it's ok. the dress to not fit and i would not have been able to get out of the chair anyway. david: was that hard to give up chicago? oprah: i don't feel sad at all. i feel a great sense of pride. i think what we were able to do at that show every day. i am just proud of the work, and then i realized it was time to let that go. ♪ live-stream your favorite sport at the airport. binge dvr'd shows while painting your toes. on demand laughs during long bubble baths. tv everywhere is awesome. the all-new xfinity stream app. xfinity. the future of awesome. david: let's talk about your show. you ended the show in 2011, but around that time you decided you would build the own. which is oprah winfrey network. oprah: oprah winfrey network. david: that was a joint venture between you and discovery channel. and you were still doing your show in chicago and they say let's do a network, and so you are still finishing the show and the network is starting, so it did not go as well and the as you would of liked at the beginning, but then you finish your show and it worked out pretty well. oprah: doing very well. we have some really great, successful shows on there. i partnered with david this past to create this drama series called "queen sugar." [applause] oprah: another drama series, so i am now, it is the next level for me. every day on my show for 25 years, i was a storyteller, helping people to let their stories out into the world in such a way that it enhanced them or let them see themselves differently, and now i get to use drama, the platform of drama, to create stories that allow people, particularly african american people, to see and feel themselves in a way that shows us as people of value, as people who care about the things everybody else cares about. the one thing i was always trying to do through all my work, particularly all those years on the oprah winfrey show let people see what maya always said, we are more alike than different, and when you get into somebody's home and you are sitting around the kitchen table, i don't care who you are what your kitchen table looks like, or how many square feet you have, that the feelings are the same, that we find our deepest humanity at the kitchen table, and when i opened the door and look in your house and your house, which i used to do, i used to just love going into people's houses. i wonder what you are doing for dinner, just dropping in and saying hey. , david: to do own you moved from chicago to the west coast, was that hard to give up chicago or you didn't mind? oprah: no, i think everybody, particularly, you know this having hit 60, there comes a point, and i am really good at this, not holding on to what was and being able to live in this present moment. i was never one of those women who was afraid to tell your age or trying to be something you're not. i mean i think for everything that there is a time and season. the bible is completely right about that. i think i think, and you know in your own self when it is time to move from that. i remember last year we were going through the building and i was going through with gayle, who has been through everything , and she was like i feel bad. i feel sad. i said i don't feel sad. i feel a great sense of pride. i think of what we were able to do with that show every day, sitting really in the heart of america, allowing people to see the best and sometimes worst of themselves through their neighbors, dysfunction, the ideas we brought to them, but i am just proud of the work, and then i realized it is time to let that go, so no, i don't feel bad at all. the only thing was hard was when the building came down. i sold the building, which was really like a campus. there were five buildings. when that first main building came down and the somebody that was thet, only time i had the feeling it was really happening. have you ever gone back to your house where you used to live in and the house is gone? david: i went back to my childhood home not too long ago with my mother for a tv show and knocked on the door and said, can i come in? i used to live here a long time ago. they called the police. they thought i was a robber. anyway, so you mentioned a gayle, and gayle king is here. she is your best friend. had he maintained a relationship when you live in different cities over a long time? oprah: i say to the girls in my school, you wish yourself can , you all wish to have a friend like autnie gayle, who once the the most, the best, and highest for you. i have never seen a person like gayle. [applause] oprah: everybody, especially if you are on the rise in your career and have had certain friends, and they all act like they are happy for you, but not everybody is happy for you. and every now and then you can hear a bit of jealousy. you can hear it. you can sense it. i have never had a moment of jealousy from gayle, except the one time i was on stage dancing with tina turner. [laughter] oprah: that is the only time i had gayle go, i wish that was me. [laughter] david: people call you all the time and ask you money for this and for that. oprah: i don't. i don't pay any attention to that. helping girls, because i was a poor girl and know what that feels like, it resonates in my spirit. ♪ david: you have been very public over the years about your weight issues, and now you are a big shareholder in weight watchers, so how do you deal with the weight issues over the years? oprah: i try to let that work for me. actually, weight watchers called me up, and as i said, i don't do anything that does not feel too full or organic or right. so they were asking me to be a spokesperson, and i said i have never been on the program. i thought people had to count points. i don't know about those people. [laughter] oprah: the fact that weight watchers was calling me, that is how bad it got. weight watchers called -- you know, that is a sign, when weight watchers says, let us help you. [laughter] david: right. oprah: you go look in the mirror and go, i see what you are talking about. ok. [laughter] oprah: i was just doing what i always do, and that is not just trying to be a spokesperson, but listen, how can i own a piece of it, because since the days of the oprah winfrey show, the -- you know that worked out for me -- the biggest, greatest decision i made with the oprah show was own it myself. the first time we came up for renegotiation of the contract -- because my bosses at abc had given me a really hard time when i was doing "the color purple." they said you only have two weeks vacation, and i wanted to do that more than anything i want to do in my life. i said i will give up my entire contract if you would just let me do the movie, so i had a smart attorney at the time, jeff jacobs, who said, you never want to be in that position again where you have to give up yourself, your life, so when the contract negotiations came around the second time, i said, what if i own the show and you don't pay me unless the show makes money? and we make money together, so let's split it. so i approach everything that way. if i am going to be of value to you, it should also be of value to myself. david: you are now the ceo of your company. you are the owner and ceo, and you have a thousand people working for you, and as a ceo, you have to say no to people all the time? oprah: you get other people to say no. saying no is hard. that is one of life's big life lessons for me. i grew up raised in the south, wanting tohe south, please everybody, so it took me a long time to get that lesson of only saying yes to what you intend to say yes to, and so i tried to do all of my business decisions and personal decisions based upon my intention. david: when you developed this a success, what comes along with it in our society is money. and when you make the money you , and i am fortunate to , you can't spend it all. oprah: you can try. david: it's tough. oprah: you can have a really good time trying. david: how many things can you really buy? can you talk about your philanthropy, how you decide to give away money. by the way, you just recently became the biggest donor to the african-american history museum in washington. [applause] oprah: thank you for that. board 13to be on that years ago. i believe you are nowhere and life in you know where you come from, and that understanding the true root of what has been paved for you is necessary for a people to move forward, so i wanted to leave the legacy of that for generations to come, particularly for african-american children, but also for people of all races, to understand who we are as a people and as a culture and what that has meant to america. david: so now you decide how to give away money by virtue of a foundation, of a staff. oprah: i don't have the staff. i don't. i do have a foundation and people working there, but nobody tells me -- david: people call you all the time and say give me money for this, give me money for that. oprah: i don't pay any attention to that. so in the beginning, i used to. in the beginning, i was so overwhelmed by it because i could not figure out when your salary is published in the paper and you can no longer say i don't have it, i could not figure it out. were leavingeople their homes, leaving their husbands, boarding trains, coming to see me. i had people standing outside my door in chicago and i was overwhelmed by it, then i started -- i got lots of advice from a lot of people about what to do. i now only do what i intend that comes from what is important to me. so helping girls, because i was a poor girl and know what that feels like, it resonates in my spirit. i know that when you change a girls life, do not only change 's but the entire community because they get back to the family, so saving girls around the world is important to me. educating growth and power in women feels like a natural thing. david: have you ever thought that given the popularity you have that you could run for president and be elected? [applause] oprah: i thought, oh, gee, i don't have enough experience. i don't know enough. now i'm thinking, oh. [laughter] ♪ david: let me ask you a question about politics. you avoided politics throughout your career, and you have had no politicians on your show. he said they were not really what you wanted to do, and then somebody named barack obama was running for president in 2008 and you said, i am going to violate my principal and i am going to endorse him, and it seemed to work out. it helped him a great deal, you might say, i think. oprah: interestingly enough, it was not the kind of thing, again, i operate from what feels like the right thing to do. you would be stunned about how little i thought about was it the right thing or how much it would cost me. i felt compelled to do it. from the time i saw him in 2004 at the convention, and i was in chicago and had seen him as a senator ram, and i saw him like everyone else did at that convention in 2004 and i was alone in my house and i thought, he is going to be president some day and i hope i am around to help him do it, so i started telling him in 2004-2005, when you run for president, let me know. i had a group of african-americans at my house who had all been really major legends for me. i like having parties, so i had this big party and i had diana ross, sisley tyson, maya angelou, and all these wonderful legendary women to thank them for paving the way for me, then i had a bunch of young women like mariah carey, janet jackson to help me thank them, and i have barack obama come to my house and speak in 2005, where i had all these people there, and i said to that group in 2005, this man is going to be president of the united states some day and i hope i am a life when it happens, and if i am, i will do whatever i can in my power. i will quit my job. i will go work for him. i will canvass for him, and they said, what is his name again? what is his name again? that was in 2005, so i felt like this is something i can do. david: did some of your viewers criticize you for getting into politics? oprah: i was surprised by that because i never thought about it. it did not occur to me that people did not know that i've voted one way or the other. david: so the first night he was inaugurated, in 2009, january 20, so upstairs in the white house, you are invited. oprah: how did you know? david: i know. african-americans are in the white house, the president is an african-american, and this is a house built by slaves. and what was the emotion like that first night course mike duke helped him get elected, and what was it like that first night? . .ou helped him get elected what was that like? oprah: it was indescribable. i don't think there are words that, i heard dave chapelle on saturday night live talking about looking over and -- it wasn't the same as inaugural night. it felt surreal, and obviously you are looking at all the paintings on the walls of past presidents and leaders who were all white. it was surreal. i remember walking out afterward with gayle and her kids and we were like, did that just happened? it felt surreal. david: barack obama was the first african-american to be elected president, and now we have had somebody who is a media figure, you might argue. [laughter] david: now we have never had a woman elected president of the united states, so have you ever thought given the popularity you have, we haven't broken the glass ceiling yet for women, that you could run for president and actually be elected? [applause] oprah: i -- [laughter] actually never thought that was -- i never considered the question, even a possibility. i just thought, oh, oh. david: right. it is clear you don't need government experience to be elected president of the united states. oprah: that's what i thought. i thought i don't have the experience. i don't know enough. now i'm thinking, oh. [applause] david: right. all right. [applause] david: now speaking of "oh" that is the name of your magazine. a couple of questions as we wrap up and you consider whether you will run for president of the united states. oprah: no, that won't be happening. i thought there was so much you had to know, but anyway. [laughter] david: today, if you look at what you are doing, your highest priorities are developing own, acting, and also executive producing. oprah: i just finished the immortal life of henrietta -- [applause] they were used in the polio vaccine and other things, and your role and that is -- oprah: her daughter. david: we you continue acting? oprah: i will continue acting, developing shows that speak to the humanity of people in a way that makes them want to live better and do better, that exalts their victories and let s them know that they are important and meaningful in the world. i would have to say that every day, david, that show was such a, it was like therapy for me, kind of like now. every day the show was, i paid attention. right? i have never been to a therapist, but i have paid attention all those days on the show, and i made therapy acceptable for a lot of people who thought not me. so one of the things that i started to get around mid-to-late 1990's was that everybody that i had on the show, at the end of the show they would say something to me like, was that ok? was that ok? how was that? at the end of the interview. i started to then track it. it did not matter if it was, i had gone and done a show where i was in a prison and interviewing a father who was in jail for life for murdering his twin daughters. even behind bars he said to me, is that ok? how did i do? and barack obama said it the first time he sat in the chair the first time. george bush said it. beyoncé said it. twerk andt me how to do wor then said, was that ok? david: so that is an acquired skill? oprah: yes, but this is what i learned sitting in that chair for 25 years, that at the end of the day, whether you are interviewing me or i get to interview you, what ever your profession is, wherever you are in your life and your relationships, every person that you encounter, every experience, a person wants to know, was that ok? was that ok? and what i started to hear was that what people are really saying is, did you hear me? did you hear me? and did what i say mean anything to you? and so i started to listen with that in mind, with that intention of validating you me,g here, you speaking to taking the time to do this, is important because you matter, and that is true for everybody watching or listening, that every argument or encounter, a person just wants to know, did you hear me? did you see me? david: how do you relax? oprah: the word for me now is i am content. i'm not just relaxed. i am content. because i know a lot of rich people who are not happy, but i am not one of them. [laughter] oprah: i am one of the happiest rich people you are ever going to see. [laughter] [applause] david: when you are trying to get away from it all and get away from everything, you relax at one of your homes? oprah: yes. and also it does not take a lot for me to relax. i can be happy. gayle will say to me, are you sitting out under the trees with your thoughts? i can be happy with my dogs. i can be happy reading poetry hear it i can be happy in front of a fire. david: thank you for doing this. i realize one of the great pleasures in life is not being interviewed by me, so i appreciate you giving me the time to do this. oprah: it has been a pleasure though. david: thank you. it has been my pleasure completely. this is a low-budget show compared to yours, and so were going to give a car out, smaller than the cars you usually get out. [laughter] [applause] david: it is a car -- oprah: really? oh, this is great. david: we can't afford a big car, but thank you. oprah: that is so cute. david: all right, well, that was great. thank you. thank you. ♪ ♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." roger: good evening. we begin the program with wikileaks, the anti-secrecy organization released thousands of c.i.a. documents and files today. the leaked information exposed tools the agency uses to hack smartphones, computers, and even internet connected televisions. it's believed to be among the biggest leaks of classified information in recent history. the authenticity of the documents has yet to be determined. wikileaks has indicated the

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