Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20170808

Hello, welcome to the programme, were live until 11. Throughout the programme the latest Breaking News and developing stories. A little later well hear how the former boss of gchq britains electronic Surveillance Agency is calling for children to spend more time online to help save the country. Robert hannigan says instead of allowing kids to mooch around the streets parents should encourage them to have more screen time and that its not a wasted life. Is he right . Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about this morning use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. The Lawyerfor A British model who was allegedly held captive by a gang in italy has been giving more details about the case. Francesco peschi says chloe ayling, whos 20 and from south london, was told by her kidnappers that she would be sold as a slave in the middle east. He said she was acting under duress, when she was seen shopping with her ca ptor before she was freed. Gavin lee is following the story in milan. Fill us in on the details from chloe aylings lawyer . The point francesco is making, he said there was a lot of misreporting, there was a lot of misreporting, there are lots of facts in the case that he wanted to make sure there is clarity on, partly because he believes some british newspapers in particular have started to raise questions about whether she was complicit. He said categorically, this is something his clients, the police, the chief investigators believe shes gone through the most psychological and physical trauma and torment. So from the route to the fruit, as he sees it, what happened is that she arrived in milan here on july 10th. Happened is that she arrived in milan here onjuly 10th. The next day milan here onjuly10th. The next day she saw a photo shoot advert, a Fa Ke Day She Saw a photo shoot advert, a fake one, close to central station. She went into a room. She saw three men very briefly, all had balaclavas, one put a hand on her mouth to stop her screaming, very quickly she was injected with something. We heard yesterday that it was a ketamine drug. She was placed in a bag, taken 120 miles in a car. It was a place close to the french alps, there is one remote area. One man lives there. He told us area. One man lives there. He told us if somebody is being held there he would not have heard. What happened to here in there is that he said she was tied to a box for two days and slowly released as she became more trusted by her captors. She is what he told me. This is what he told me. She was told she was going to be sold to somebody in the middle east for sex. She was told that people were there watching herand told that people were there watching her and ready to kill her if she tried anything. So she thought that the best idea was to go along with it and to be nice in a way to her captor because he told her he wanted to release her somehow and some time. Ive been to this remote place, its a place where tourists go because there are bears, wolves, at night time its particularly unpleasant because of the sound scape of the place. In the farmhouse at the bottom, the bottom floor where she was held to a chest of drawers, she was slowly released with time but was told if she left shed be killed. Here is the thing the day before she was released, after seven days, not six, she was seen after seven days, not six, she was seenin after seven days, not six, she was seen ina after seven days, not six, she was seen in a nearby village with her ca ptor seen in a nearby village with her captor and seen in a nearby village with her ca ptor and that she seen in a nearby village with her captor and that she was buying shoes, groceries together. What the lawyer has said is categorically, this was absolutely part of her way of surviving, she was told if she moved she would be killed. In fact, she was told the next day shed probably be sold in the middle east for around £230,000. That was the idea they were trying to raise on an auction site, this group called the black death group and what happened was the alleged Chief Suspect who was the alleged Chief Suspect who was polish who spent time living in 0ldbury in the west midlands, he said, if you stick with me, i will release you. Here is the other thing that was different. Yesterday he was claiming, according to the lawyers, that he released her because she had a two year old baby, a son, hes since changed his statement we are told by the police, he said he released her because he felt an affinity with her. She was driven to the consulate. He went in with her, she was then questioned there. She spent three weeks after that in italy according to the lawyer as well and only came back on sunday after helping police with their enquiries, so shes had two days backin enquiries, so shes had two days back in the uk and has spoken briefly, reading a statement about her ordeal. In terms of the Italian Police investigation, where do they say theyre up to in this . We think according to the lawyers and the police statements, there are between three and four people who were hiding chloe in this remote area. There were two cars, a mercedes with british Registration Plates seen by the neighbours there, there was also a volvo with polish Registration Plates, that was the one that drove to the consulate. Theyre looking at the moment at exactly how big this group is, that there are other people apparently theyve suggested they could sell on online sites although nothings come to fruition. The group seemed to be selling on pornographic websites, pictures from the porn shoots and not the victims, it was then questioned, was this some sort of scam group. This will ta ke some sort of scam group. This will take a long time to work out. It will take six months to go through court. Just being here, in the Fashion Capital of the world in milan, there are lots of young models drawn to this place, Modelling Agencies ive spoken to over the past day or so say this is not the formula that you would go through. What would happen is that you would always be escorted from the uk to milan if ever there was a proper photo shoot deal. They are warning if ever women are in a similar position, this is not the way to do it. This is for chloes sake, given what we are hearing, is a most horrendous ordeal. Thank you very much indeed. About 9. 45, thank you very much indeed. About 9. A5, well talk to one of chloes Close Friends whos spoken to her since she returned to the uk. Now the rest of the mornings news. The Victoria Derbyshire programme has learned that a number of women in the uk from south asian backgrounds who have cancer hide it because of a perceived stigma about the disease. Researchers say theyre worried cultural taboos are leading to more women dying prematurely. Some women even hide their diagnosis from family and friends out of shame in one case a woman only sought treatment when her breast was rotten. More than a0 Maternity Units in england closed to new admissions according to data obtained by labour. A2 out of 96 trusts that responded to a Freedom Of Information Request said theyd shut Maternity Wards temporarily on 382 occasions. Labour has blamed Staffing Shortages but the government says that is misleading and closures are well rehearsed. Norfolk police have said a victim was stabbed in the head and neck whilst walking his doings in the woodland, he was 82 and seen as well mannered, Well Natu Red and well liked. 0fficers well mannered, Well Natu Red and well liked. Officers have appealed for information. Police in west london are appealing for help to find a person who appeared to push a man intoa find a person who appeared to push a man into a pedestrian into the road. The oncroping bus is forced to swerve into the next lane to avoid hitting her. The bus stopped and passengers tended to the woman who received minor injuries. An appeal has been launch for witnesses or anyone who recognises the jogger, described as white, in his early to Mid 30s With Brown Eyes and short brown hair. Anyone with information is asked to call police. They can also call crimestoppers. Crime stop britains most seniorjudge has told the government it must provide more clarity about how uk law will be developed after brexit. Currently, uk legislation is subject to rulings made by the European Court ofjustice. Lord neuberger said Parliament Must be very clear in telling the judges what to do about decisions of this court after the uk leaves the eu. Another victim of the 11 September 2001 attack on the World Trade Center in New York City has been identified using new dna technology. The name of the man is being withheld at the request of his family. The last time a victim was identified was march 2015. Only 60 of the victims of the attack have ever been identified. There are calls to ban the use of tasers on anyone under 18. The Royal College of paediatrics and child health say the devices are harmful and should not be used on children and adds that Tasering A Minor contravenes the Un Conventions On The Rights of the child. The youngest child to be fired at with a taser is thought to be 1a thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30am. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Lets get some sport now with leah and so near yet so far for britains laura muir at The World Athletics Last Night . It was another disappointing night in terms of medals for britain wasnt it . She said it was gut wrenching. She was overtaken at the end. She missed out by 700th of a second at the finish line. It was agonisingly close for the 2a year old who had actually recovered from a Stress Fracture in her foot actually recovered from a Stress Fracture in Herfoot Injune and, even though she said she was gutted she said she gave it her all. Another disappointing night generally for britain in terms of medals . Yes, Sophie Hitchon left the hammer cage in tears, despite giving it her best throw. She came seventh. She couldnt hold her emowses back. It shows the passion. 12 months ago from last night, she won bronze in rio but it wasnt meant to be for her this time around. Shes a former ballerina. That meant no british medals but they of the men, as you are seeing, made the 200 metres semi finals. Danny talbot got a personal best. Justin gatlins agent has been speaking to the bbc in the wake of the booing after his 100 metre win. Whats he been saying . Lots of talk about this. People think the american strinter shouldnt have been taking part in this because he served for doping twice. The iaaf reinstated him. They say he hasnt broken any rules this time around but his agent has spoken out, saying that everyone should basically get over the fact that gatlin served the drugs bans and hes not particularly happy with lord coe either. Have a listen. Hes not particularly happy with lord coe either. Have a listenlj ta ke offe nce lord coe either. Have a Listenlj Take offence to, with all due respect, lord coe, he is a part of the iaaf who set the rules and punishment and when you serve the punishment and when you serve the punishment you are supposed to be reinstated, which these athletes who have offended and abused some of the rules have, and if you dont want them in, you should change the rules. You dont allow them in and still condemn them. We are talking about 11 years, the doping ban, so at some point we all have to move past this. And it seems like some of the athletes have been laid low with a stomach bug. Whats the latest on that . Yes, they are staying at one of the tea m yes, they are staying at one of the team hotels in london and have come down with gastroenteritis. The hotel will investigate the origins of the illness but they say they believe the hotel was not the source of the bug and theyve made sure anyone affected isnt in contact with other guests but its hit some big names, including Isaac Makwala from botswa na including Isaac Makwala from botswana who missed the 200 metres last night. Hes a favourite for the a00 metres too. Several other german and canadian athletes staying at the hotel fell ill last week too. Well have to see that one. More at 9. 30. In halfan in half an hours time we will talk toa in half an hours time we will talk to a close friend of the 20 year old british model who is back in the uk after allegedly being kidnapped in milan. That is at 9. A5am. This programme has learned that a number of uk women from south asian backgrounds who have cancer, hide it, because of a perceived stigma about the disease. Researchers say theyre worried that cultural taboos are leading to more women dying prematurely in the south Asian Community. Weve discovered that some hide their diagnosis from family and friends out of shame and in one case a woman only sought treatment when her breast was rotten. 0ur reporter amber haque has been looking into what needs to be done to try and change the stigma. She said she was going to refuse chemo because god gave it to her. The reluctance to go for a smear is deemed to be like youre being unfaithful, it is like infidelity. Ive become aware of south asian women who have had a diagnosis of cancer and theyve kept it very hidden. She says, youve been given cancer and you can cover this up now. A woman who came with a rotten breast and it was smelling so much that you couldnt even sit next to it. Research suggests that one in two of us will get cancer at some point in our lives. And some people, particularly in the south Asian Community, are choosing to ignore that. They are not going for Cancer Screening, and in some instances, they are even hiding their diagnosis. Why . Because its a shame, its a Death Sentence and a punishment from god. And theres a concern that belief is causing suffering and costing lives. The breasts arentjust seen as another part of your body. Its very much a sexual organ. Therefore, anyone touching them is doing it in a sexual way. Therefore, that cannot be done. 0nly im allowed to do it. This is from the perspective of the husband. Praveena stumbled upon a lump in her breast when she was 36. She grew up in a strict Indian Community, where even talking about the disease was seen as something shameful. When she was diagnosed, she decided to hide it. So, a lot of it, in terms of not telling my family, i didnt tell them because ijust thought if people hear the fact that ive got cancer, theyre going to think it was a Death Sentence. Maybe i lived a bad life, therefore god has punished me by giving me cancer. And ijust didnt want to be associated with that. And so, hiding it was the obvious choice for me. It was lonely. I wont deny that. It was extremely lonely. I was going to chemotherapy sessions on my own. I drove myself there and back. And i had very dark days because of that. I suppose i probably also went through some form of depression. In recent years now, ive become aware of south asian women who have had a diagnosis of Breast Cancer or Cervical Cancer and they have kept it very hidden, they have hit a in their homes. Pooja is the Lead Researcher for a team called clahrc. Theyre funded by a research arm of the nhs and work with public and professionals on health inequalities. She has spent the past few years looking at attitudes towards cancer in the south Asian Community. She says shes worried by some of the things she has heard from women themselves. Some of the other conversations ive had with bangladeshi women that really surprised me, and its quite sad really, they would hide the shame in their eyes of having a Cancer Diagnosis because they felt it would influence their childrens future. And that potentially, no one would want to marry their children, because theyd had cancer. And some woman went to the extent of not even having treatments, because if they went for treatment, people will now that they have had cancer because they might lose their hair. Why do you think going for Cancer Screening is such taboo in the community . The reluctance to go for a smear is that you dont want to be defiled. For the husband, its deemed to be like you are being unfaithful to them. Its like infidelity. Yeah, youre no longer pure. Youve been tainted by someone else all almost. Ive also heard through other friends in conversation about how sometimes people felt the smear test will actually stretch them and therefore thats not something they want to do. As shocking as that may seem, these are real things that actually happen in our community today. When it came to south asian women, there were some specific issues that actually were raised within this work. For example, there was more of an issue around shame, an issue around modesty and about the influence from the males and elders in the family. If they didnt think that women should be going for screening, they wouldnt go for screening. What are some of the more shocking misconceptions you have heard from asian women . I think the fact that cancer doesnt happen to south asian women. As well as that, another aspect when it came to going for smears, was about women losing their virginity by having a smear test. And then again, not being able to get married because there would be proof that they werent a virgin any more. These were quite surprising, i think, conversations that ive had. Its hard to sayjust how serious the problem is because very Little Information has been collected on ethnicity and mortality over the past decade. Research we do have has shown asian women with Breast Cancer have poorer survival, and are more likely to present with advanced tumours when they do get diagnosed. Experts tell us theyre concerned that cultural stigmas are leading to more south asian women dying. I worked in the cancer field for many years, maybe 30 years or more, and over the time ive seen a lot of asian women, and the sad thing is that because of the ignorance of not presenting early, not following or going through the Screening Programme or not examining their breasts, they are presented late and that the mortality is high. So then there is a stigma attached that when you have got cancer, youre going to die. Do we know for a fact that south asian women are having poorer outcomes when it comes to cancer . Id say yeah, the literature does highlight and the evidence suggests that south asian women are more likely to have worse outcomes. And would it be fair to say that some of those deaths are avoidable . Yeah, you could say that some of them are preventable because if they had of been for their screening it may have been picked up when the cancer was minute. The concern is that women are suffering unnecessarily. South asian women are more likely to be from poor and deprived backgrounds, meaning the levels of awareness are even lower. Charities and local authorities do what they can with translated leaflets and outreach work. But should the community be doing more . Im meeting a group of asian women who have all been affected by the disease in some way. So, before i was diagnosed, i didnt know anything. Id never self checked and we never really spoke about it in the house, about the importance of self checking, so for me when i found out, it was a total shock. It was a pure accident when i found a lump in my breast. I would describe it as a size of a golf ball. To give you an idea of how big the tumour, the cancer is. I was very fortunate that it hadnt spread. Again, i think the biggest shock for me was, why didnt i check my breasts . For some reason it never hit my radar at all. Wed had heart disease, diabetes in our family, and im a recipient of that. But cancer was never mentioned, cancer was never spoken about. I had one sister ring me up and said sister, i think you should wear a hijab. The face covering. I said, why would i wear a hijab . She said, well, you have been given cancer, you have to cover this up now. So my mum, i dont think shes ever been for a smear test. The thought of somebody seeing her probably naked from the waist below was the most uncomfortable feeling in the world for her, so she just didnt want to go. And she still refuses to go. Even though you. Even though weve been through everything. These, im hoping, are very small numbers of people. If we know that there are some circumstances in local communities where the mens view of this is quite important, and then it would be for the local areas, the gps or the ccgs to understand that, to talk to those groups of people and help unpick some of the misunderstandings. There will be men who have comfortably allowed their wives, and even encouraged their wives to have these things, and why wouldnt you . Why wouldnt you want your wife not to have cancer . How often do you see asian women that have had positive experiences when they get cancer . That are very few asian women who have had a lot of support from their family. This reminds me of a woman who came to see us with a fungal thing, a rotten breast, and it was smelling so much that you couldnt even sit next to it. I dont know how long she was hiding that. So she had literally left it that long . What happened to her . Unfortunately, she died. Because the cancer had spread to other parts of the body as well. I mean, it was very sad for the young lady with young children. But because she couldnt share that with everyone. How often do you hear that women feel like they cant share it with their family . Its quite a lot. In my case, there was no support as such. My husband just said, i cannot cope with this, and just walked away. But i felt like there was no one i could talk to. I remember speaking to my in laws and they said, dont cry, you have to be strong for your husband and your child. But i want my husband to be that strength and that shield now. I dont want to do it. Why do i have to be the one who has do pick up the weight in the asian family and be strong when im going through all of this . I just thought, i dont want to be strong, i want it to be ok for me to just cry. At chemo, i spoke to an asian woman who really found it difficult to hold the conversation with me. Her husband literally stood over her during chemo to make sure she wore the cold cap. So that when they left the unit, she was looking as normal as possible. When we talk about educating ourselves, we need to educate our brothers and fathers and husbands even more. I dont think that conversations happen in the house. Thats what need to change. Before any educational tv or any adverts or leaflets or centres, we need to get to a point where parents and mothers are comfortable with educating their daughters at home to say lets, just talk about it. Anything, any changes to your body, lets talk about it. What would you like to see, moving forward now, with some of these findings . So, weve got some data on what has been implemented, but we havent got data on how effective those implementations have been. And i think we need to collect that data so that we can really influence the type of interventions that are required and which arent working and which ones arent working. So ultimately, we can work with Public Health and save more lives. When we get the clahrc results, we will implement those things and weve got every reason to think that will help save women from asian backgrounds lives as well as other people from poor and deprived backgrounds. Its that moment of realisation of me losing my hair. And knowing that because its on the outside rather on the inside, and visible to the world, its something that he wouldnt be able to cope with. Praveena completed her chemo and is now in remission. She and her husband got divorced during her treatment, something she says was partly due to cultural expectations about how a wife should be. Do you think that getting cancer led to the breakdown of your marriage . I think i actually do believe that. The bearing on him was that my wife had to look in a particular way. And for her to look ill in front of other people was not acceptable. So he never knew, he will do now, but he never knew the extent of the side effects that i had from the chemotherapy. Because i hid all of that from him. For praveena, its the community itself that needs to work harder. And no matter how educated you are, and i am from the medical profession, and i know all these things, and yet i still felt i had to hide it from everybody else. And thats down to my upbringing, down to the baggage. And i consider it my baggage. Its the baggage that i carry. Its a harsh reality. And its a sad reality, as well. Thank you for your comments. Daniel picking up on the last point, many south asian women are doctors and work in the nhs. How can this stigma be the case . Yasmin says, delighted you are tackling the stigma and raising awareness. Kerry says, no need for stigma. You should just reach out to people. You wont be alone. You would have loads of caring, lovely people going through the same battle as you. Whatever your own experience, do get in touch. You can e mail me. You can message me on twitter using the Hashtag Victoria Live. Still to come children as young as 1a are thought to have been hit with tasers. Should police be banned from using them on anyone under 18 . And in a few minutes, well speak to a friend of chloe ayling, the model who says she was held captive by gang in italy for a week. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. Chloe ayling who is 20 and from south london says she was told by her kidnappers shed be sold as a sex slave in the middle east. She says she was acting unduh derest when she was seen out shopping with her captor. She was told that people we re her captor. She was told that people were there watching and ready to kill her if she tried anything so she thought that the best idea was to go along with it and to be nice, ina way, to go along with it and to be nice, in a way, to her captor. This programme has learnt a number of women in the uk from south asian backgrounds who have cancer hide it because of a perceived stigma about the disease. Researchers say theyre worried cultural taboos are leading to more women dying prematurely, some women even hide their tighe know six from family and friends out of shame. In one case a woman only sought treatment when her breast was rotten. More than a0 Maternity Units in england closed to new admissions at some point last year according to data obtained by labour. A2 out of 96 trusts said theyd shut wards temporarily on 382 occasions. Labours blamed Staffing Shortages but the government says that is misleading and closures are well rehearsed. Police in west london are asking for help to identify a jogger who appeared to push a pedestrian into the path of a bus, dramatic cctv showing the incident which happened in may. It shows the man running along Putney Bridge and appearing to push the woman into the road. The bus is forced to swerve into the next lane to alloyd hitting her. The bus stopped and passengers tended to the woman who received minor injuries. An appeal has been launched for witnesses or anyone who recognises the jogger, described as white, early to Mid 30s With Brown Eyes and short brown hair. Anyone with information is asked to call police or crimestoppers. Exam results in scotland have been published this morning. The proportion of a to cs passes fell slightly from 77. 77. 2 to 77 this year, almost 137,000 candidates receiving their results through the post today, but more than a third signed up to get their results by text or e mail. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10am. The perceived stigma surrounding cancer, particularly for women in the south Asian Community, on that, laura says fantastic coverage of this. The stigma faced among south asian women, thank you for lifting the lid and another viewer says thank you for highlighting the stigma of how south asian women face when cancer hits. Its sad and we need toe teach the men to help. If you want to read more, please do, its on the bbc news website. Leahis leah is back now with the sport. Great britains big medal hope in the 1500 metres says shes gutted she missed out on a bronze. Laura muirwas she missed out on a bronze. Laura muir was tipped at the finish line in dramatic fashion. She finished fourth. She now goes in the 5000 metres this week. Former ballerina Sophie Hitchon couldnt contain her tea rs Sophie Hitchon couldnt contain her tears in the hammerfinal. This time last year she managed a bronze in rio but looked utterly devastated leaving the rammer cage last night. Several stars have suffered illness, including isaac watkala. 0ne several stars have suffered illness, including isaac watkala. One of the hotels says it was not the source of the outbreak of the castro enteritis. Could gareth bale be heading back to the Premier League . Jose mourinho says hell fight to sign the real madrid forward. Real madrid and Manchester United play each other tonight. That is all from me, jess is back with more at 10. There are calls to ban the use of tasers on anyone under 18. It comes as new figures show police have used tasers on children as young as 11. That doesnt mean theyve actually been fired it could mean taken out of the holster or drawn. The youngest child to be fired with a taser is thought to be 1a. Now the Royal College of paediatrics and child health say the devices are harmful and should not be used on children, and adds that Tasering A Minor contravenes the Un Conventions On The Rights of the child. Heres a short Video Showing Police training how to use a taser. We can speak now to steve white, chair of the police federation, who is also a Serving Officer of 29 years. 0liver feeley sprage, Human Rights Group amnesty internationals specialist on tasers. Welcome. Explain steve what a taser is and why the police use it sometimes . Its basically an electrical device powered by battery, it fires two barbs, simple 0 level physics essentially, if the two barbs go to the subject, the current runs which produces Muscle Contractions in the person that its being fired on. Time and time again its shown to be extremely effective. What is important to recognise is that as you rightly pointed out, taser use is not really about firing, its about the threat of use and understanding that if you dont comply with what the officer is saying, this could be coming your way. Nine times out of ten, probably even higher proportion than that, people understand the threat and it immediately deescalates the situation, regardless of the persons age. Do you accept that . For us its a specialist tool that has a clear rationale to be used in particular circumstances, but it comes with risks. Its notjust us that says that, its the governments own medical advice. It points to the fact that it can be lethal. There have been deaths in the uk, there are a number of inquests going on at the moment. There are two cases at least that im aware of where taser use has been linked to the deaths. Theyre extremely painful as weapons. As a human rights organisation, we say their use must be incredibly carefully controlled and must only be used in certain circumstances, thats where our concern lies here. Would you say they are only used in the circumstances where its absolutely necessary as outlined . Absolutely. Every time a Police Officer says he needs a tactical option in terms of force, they have to do it in the terms of the threat theyre facing and the public are facing. Its not a question of give every copper a taser so instead of stopping them you can red dot them. We are talking about a tactical option. Whilst nothing is 100 safe, statistics show the instances of harm to Police Officers and suspects are gone down since taser has been introduced. I would are gone down since taser has been introduced. Iwould much are gone down since taser has been introduced. I would much rather that someone introduced. I would much rather that someone had the threat of taser than was hit with a baton, iron bar or deployed with cs. We often end up rolling around on the floor with people when we are detaining them. Injuries happen and some are serious. Taser is a very safe tactical option. This tweet from anthony which ill put to you 0liver, reusing tasers on children, what are the police expected to do to defend themselves if a child comes at them armed with a knife or worse a gun which might be loaded . 0k, well lets look at this first from the governments own medical advice. They clearly say that tasering young people carries risks, both to health but also psychologically. That is reflected in the un standards that clearly say its risky and today uk medical bodies have come out and said so. So i think we start from the perspective here that tasering children is something that really shouldnt happen. But it doesnt say that it should never happen because there are extreme circumstances where in that instance. So in this example that anthony is talking about . Yes, where somebody may die and the tactical option wasnt used. I think if you set the standard which says you shouldnt be using this against children unless there is really no alternative, that would probably be a sensible way forward. Is that not the standard, are you not actually saying the same thing . We are saying before, we do agree on most things. Because you are not calling for it to be banned on under 18s are you . No, but we do want greater protection. We want it much clearly specified in the guidelines on taser use that tasering children comes with additional risks and that there should be a strict prohibition against using it. But not saying that in all circumstances you couldnt, for the example of the tweet, you know, that is a clear example where the exception includes the rule. We need a check on reality. Its very well sitting round thinking about the ins and outs and the guidance 679 our officers face the threats day in day out. We have seen a rise in knife crime for example. Sure and nobody would disagree with that. But 0liver is saying, on the specific guidance and really that language is tight foran and really that language is tight for an officer to read and learn and absorb, do you agree with the kind of language that 0livers used . Lets go back to the practical application, in terms of assessing someones age, are you going to go through a Semi Interview before you find out. Of course thats com pletely find out. Of course thats completely impractical and people would understand that there are some people whore under 18 and look mid 20s, there are some whore over 18 and look as though theyre young teens. Its a very difficult area which is why its got to be based on threat and risk, it cant be based on an arbitrary figure, whether it be 16, 21, simple as that. Is that a fair point . I think what i would say is there is a mismatch between the governments medical advice on the use of taser and the guidance in place in writing about one tasers should be used. But on that specific point about under 18s, how would you know . There are 15 year old lads who look 21 . Exactly and that comes down to the officer training, that is another issue that weve not been getting into here. Its a key thing that the officers have to be most highly trained. Matt says people forget there are many six foot plus 1a year olds and when you combine with that with mind altering drugs, a taser is a safe way for the police and the perpetrator to gain control of the situation. Thank you both very much. The home office says they are an important tactical operation for trained officers, particularly in potentially violent situations where other things have failed. The statement says the police have to record the location and outcome of all taser usage along with the ethnicity and age of those involved. Coming up the toronto Police Officer who bought a Shoplifter A Suit he tried to steal. A british model who was allegedly held captive by a gang in italy was told she would be sold in the middle east for sex, her lawyer has claimed. Francesco peschi also told the bbc that 20 year old chloe ayling had been acting under duress when she was taken shopping by her captor before she was freed. The ordeal is alleged to have taken place last month, and was made public by Italian Police only last week. She was told that people were there watching her and ready to kill her if she tried anything, so she thought that the best idea was to go along with it and to be nice in a way to her ca ptor and to be nice in a way to her captor because and to be nice in a way to her ca ptor because he and to be nice in a way to her captor because he told her that he wa nted captor because he told her that he wanted to release her. Lets talk exclusively now to carla belluci, a close friend of chloe ayling who has known her since she was 15. She also runs a model agency. Carla has been speaking to chloe in the last couple of days. This is herfirst interview. A friend of chloe hows she been in the last couple of days . Shes doing relatively well. As soon asi shes doing relatively well. As soon as i knew that it was chloe, i called her and it was very emotional. What did she say about what happened to her . Obviously a lot cannot be talked ability because of the police and what is happening with the case but she did say that she was drugged and drove i believe 100odd she was drugged and drove i believe 100 odd miles whilst in a suitcase. What did she say about that ordeal . She said it was horrendous. A lot of it she was trying not to get herself into trouble as she was talking to me but i could feel in her voice she was trying to be strong. And was she able to recall lots of detail or was stuff coming back to her . Stuff is coming back to her. I didnt want to step too deep by saying, what actually happened. But she said she was drugged with ketamine and i think now memories are coming back to her slowly. Right. You will have heard that her lawyer talked today about the reason that she was seen shopping with the captor before she was freed was because he threatened her and was freed was because he threatened herand said, was freed was because he threatened her and said, you know, if you dont do what i say, you are at risk of losing your life, effectively. Did she talk about that . The first i knew of that was when i read last night or this morning, its come out that she was seen shopping with him. That she did not mention to me. What do you think of what the lawyer said about that . Imean if i mean if you are under that circumstance where somebody is threatening your life, you are going to do whatever youre going to do to keep yourself safe. So i dont really wa nt keep yourself safe. So i dont really want to comment. She was there. She was going through it at there. She was going through it at the time. You said she was strong on the time. You said she was strong on the phone to you on sunday. I mean youve known her for five years. The phone to you on sunday. I mean youve known herforfive years. Is she strong . Is she wise . |j youve known herforfive years. Is she strong . Is she wise . I wouldnt say she is the wisest of girls. She is bea say she is the wisest of girls. She is be a little bit naive, shes young, but i think she has had three weeks to get used to this, so it happened a few weeks ago so she has beenin happened a few weeks ago so she has been in italy while this has been going on, for us this is new, but she had a few weeks to get used to it. I would say she is quite naive to get herself in that position. It. I would say she is quite naive to get herself in that positionlj will to get herself in that position. will ask you more about that in a moment. Was she upset on the phone . Did she cry . She seemed upset and kept saying, im all right. Because i was upset, that was my initial reaction. I am emotional. She was like dont cry. Im 0k. She was almost reassuring me and i wa nted was almost reassuring me and i wanted to reassure her. Did she explain why she stayed in italy . She had to stay in italy whilst the investigation was going on. She had to remain in the country. So you say she is not the wisest of the girls. She is naive. She is young. What do you know about the arrangement that she had made for this photo shoot in milan without naming names . she had made for this photo shoot in milan without naming names . Ijust know that she was sent to this photo shoot via a male agent. Know that she was sent to this photoshoot via a male agent. In london . In london. That has got a bit of a reputation and i think she did tell me on sunday that he found out that the studio was fake two days after she had gone missing and my argument on that as working in the industry if you can find that out after she is missing why could you not find it out before sending her because he was able to access that information that the studio was fake. We dont know if thats true. Who told you that . Chloe told me on sunday that it was a fake set up and the studio didnt exist. I think she believed she was going to a studio for a photo shoot. Believed she was going to a studio for a photoshoot. She believed it . Yes. Understood. Again, without naming names, what mistakes did she make as a young glamour model, you know, getting involved in this photo shoot because there are dos and donts, arent there . photo shoot because there are dos and donts, arent there . I would say, the person that she has dealt with is, i would listen to advice from other girls and be aware and a lwa ys from other girls and be aware and always have your guard up. I would never travel to a foreign country alone, not knowing where im going until that is like established that everything is legit and real. And in the Glamour Modelling World would you, is it all right for a male agent or a male photographer to arrange this kind of thing . Agent or a male photographer to arrange this kind of thing7m happens all the time. Does it . It happens all the time. Does it . It happens all the time. Does it . It happens all the time. Girls are desperate forfame. Happens all the time. Girls are desperate for fame. They believe anything, you know, come and do a shoot. Me being a little bit older and wiser, i would have someone beside me. When i used to model i would take somebody with me. I feel uncomfortable going to meet a male photographer in a location and doing a shoot. Thats not my comfort zone. There are a number of people who think something about this story doesnt add up. That it feels a bit fishy. What would you say . Thats such a hard one, chloe being a Friend Of Mine. Ijust think, chloe isa Friend Of Mine. Ijust think, chloe is a good girl. A little bit naive. Could she be misled . Ijust dont wa nt to could she be misled . Ijust dont want to say to be honest . She, obviously she has grown up to when i knew her from the beginning at 15. She is now a 20 year old woman, but if anything happened like that, i would say she was misled. Did she always, because you first did a commercial shoot with her when she was 15. Did she always want to get into Glamour Modelling . At 15 i remember her saying i want to be a glamour model, but she had to wait until she was 18. It was always her goal. Now, she is doing. When you spoke to her on sunday, she said to you that she was doing a shoot this week . I believe, again, from what she said, i believe she was doing a photo shoot for page three because we we re photo shoot for page three because we were going to met up today. For a newspaper . For page three, i believe. Yes. Yes. What do you think of that . Each to their own, maybe it is her way of coping and to just get back out there. For me, i think that would be the last thing on her mind, but she has her reasons and maybe it is her way of dealing with happened to her tojust get is her way of dealing with happened to her to just get back out there and it is her way of coping. You run and it is her way of coping. You run c and it is her way of coping. You run an agency now. You used to do Glamour Modelling yourself. Were you ever treated poorly . Glamour Modelling yourself. Were you ever treated poorly . I can recall a situation where i did a photo shoot with a male photographer, Turning Up Ata with a male photographer, turning up at a location, didnt feel co mforta ble at a location, didnt feel comfortable from the start and literally, just took my clothes off, i was wearing, and left all my stuff and ran. Tell me what made you feel uncomfortable . Just the way the photographer was acting. He wanted more and i knew it was fishy. Photographer was acting. He wanted more and i knew it was fishym photographer was acting. He wanted more and i knew it was fishy. It was just your instinct . It was my instinct to get out of here. This is not a good situation. When you say he wanted more, more revealing, more exposure . More exposure. Ok. It is a competitive business. It is. All modelling is. And as you said, people are ambitious. Young women are ambitious and desperate to get on and get ahead of their rivals, but youve got to take care, havent you . You have got to take care. Safety is first. Nothing is worth risking your life for, no fame, money, safety is number one. Is there any regulation . Presumably anyone can set up and be an agent . Anyone can set up and be an agent. Photographer . Anyone can hide behind a screen. It is the same with Dating Websites and social media, i blame, you dont know who is behind that screen. You can set up tomorrow and say you are a photographer, come to my place, do a shoot, take pictures and look professional. So how would you check that out . I do my research, Constant Research and if i had any doubt i would go with my model. Even if it meant flying ot of the country, i would go with them. You would accompany them . Or send somebody to chaperone them. Thank you, carla. Carla is a close friend of chloe ayling. Talking about what she says chloe ayling experienced. Next, a shoplifter in toronto who was caught stealing an outfit for a Job Interview was given a Second Chance by the Police Officer who came to arrest him. Constable niranjeyanesan was sent to walmart to apprehend the 18 year old for attempting to steal a shirt, tie and socks. When he arrived, he realised the offender had been stealing the items for a Job Interview. So he released him and bought him the clothes. We received a call for theft under where an individual was placed under arrest by a wal mart Loss Prevention officer. My partner and i responded and we got to meet the individual who was under arrest. He had stolen some items from wal mart. After having a conversation with him, it came to light that he had stolen it, he has taken the items because he had a Job Interview. The items that he had taken were a dress shirt and a tie and he had a Job Interview on tuesday with the Service Industry and this young person has been facing his own difficulty in life. He was looking to straighten all that by providing for his family and trying to get in a job and that came to light. When we proceeded with the arrest later on, i found out to light. When we proceeded with the arrest later on, ifound out that this person was actually looking for thatjob this person was actually looking for that Job Interview and this person was actually looking for thatJob Interview and we, i went and got the shirt and the tie for this individual and after when he was released it was given back to him so he can attend thatJob Interview. So you bought the shirt and tie for him and he had stolen it because he had no way of purchasing it on his own. He is a young guy. He is 18 years old. Why did you feel so compelled . Thats correct. Not every day that people do things for wrong reasons. This individual didnt have any reasons. This individual didnt have a ny resources reasons. This individual didnt have any resources to go about how he went about it and he stole those items because he wanted a Second Chance in life and definitely not as a Police Officer we werent going to stand between him and his Second Chance. He doesnt know you did this for him . No, not at that moment, no. Some people at home will say if he wa nted some people at home will say if he wanted a Second Chance, why was he stealing . What do you say to that . Having a conversation with him, he did not have any resources, anywhere to go, anywhere to go, to go about this. I think he really wanted to attend that interview and i dont think he knew how else to go about this. 0k. Constable niranjeyanesans boss has praised his actions saying arresting him wouldnt be in the interests of anyone and that it reiterates their goal of being positive role models in the community. Comments on tasering under 18s. There are calls that the police in this country shouldnt be able to taser under 18s. This texter, i volunteered to be tasered at a show in the usa. It immediately incapacitated me, but did it hurt . No. Would i do it again . Absolutely yes. It is an excellent tactical weapon. Colin says, we cant chase kids on mopeds or search them for knives. Why not ban the taser and further extend their freedom to be lawless. Further extend their freedom to be lawless. Daniel, further extend their freedom to be lawless. Daniel, what further extend their freedom to be lawless. Daniel, what will police do regarding using tasers on under 18s . Before i used this taser on you, How Old Are You . Another viewer says, the same kids that commit murders and robberies. Pg, how about under 18s not doing anything to warrant taser . Kevin says, some1a year olds dont look 1a. How do police know how old they are . A viewer says, Public Confidence will be lost if tasers are misused and their use isnt properly scrutinised. We need video evidence. No second firing and no use on under 18s. The news and sport son the way. Before that, here is the weather from simon. Dont you just love the british summer time. There is some sunshine out there to be found. In south wales, some sunny spells here. Also a bit of sunshine towards scotland and Northern Ireland. You can see here, but the rainfall is quite heavy at the moment across the midlands particularly so towards lincolnshire where in lincolnshire itself its wellies that are the order of the day. The rainfall will last for much of the day as well. It is associated with this Weather Front here, bringing that area of rain and some heavy and thundery showers developing across east anglia and the south east of england. Further north and west, looking dry and bright. But for this afternoon, heavy and thundery showers expected in parts of South West England through parts of wales as well. Particularly so fort south east of england. Feeling cool here as well. Temperatures only 13 celsius in hull. For North West England and the far north of north east england, something drier and one or two showers, but sunny spells. Sunny spells and scattered showers expected for both scotland and Northern Ireland where temperatures will be about 15 celsius or 16 celsius. Through this evening, those heavy showers will continue giving a lot of rainfall in a short space of time. A bit of localised flooding and the rain will continue into the night as well. Large Rainfall Totals building up across parts of lincolnshire and the midlands. Further north of scotland and Northern Ireland, clear skies here. It could get chilly into the first pa rt it could get chilly into the first part of wednesday morning. But during wednesday, we have got this Weather Front which is still with us. Weather front which is still with us. But look behind me, this area of High Pressure is starting to move in. Its a ridge. Its going to improve things for scotland and for Northern Ireland, northern parts of england and wales. Some dry, bright weather for much of wednesday, but it stays very wet in the South East Corner except perhaps around kent and east sussexment here we could see a few heavy and thundery showers, but still wet in the South East Corner. Maximum temperatures 17, 18 celsius. For thursday, still starting off with a bit of rain in the south east, but otherwise, that High Pressure, that ridge of High Pressure is with us. So things looking more settled and plenty of fine and dry weather across the bulk of Scotla Nd Fine and dry weather across the bulk of scotland and Northern Ireland. There is that ridge of High Pressure. You can see it is now starting to it is appear as we go into friday. Another system of Weather Fronts moves in throughout the day of the thats going to bring more rain as we go throughout the day. Showeriout breaks of rain towards the south and the east, but there will be sunshine initially, but maximum temperatures about 16 to 20 celsius. A bit more in the way of brighter skies and sunshine breaking through in the far north west as the rain clears its way south east wards. Bye bye. Hello its tuesday, its 10 oclock, im Victoria Derbyshire. The british women from south asian backgrounds who hide their cancer or refuse to seek treatment because of stigma. This reminds me of a woman who came to see us with a fungal thing, you know, rotten breast, and it was smelling so much that you couldnt even sit next to it. I dont know how long she was hiding that. Experts tell us that some women not seeking treatment early enough is leading to preventable deaths. Well be speaking to them and to one woman who kept her cancer secret. The parents of two teenage Charity Volunteers who died after being swept out to sea tell this programme theyre taking legal action against the charity which organised the placements. A 19 year old and 21 year old died when they were overpowered by fierce currents off a beach in south africa. A serious sickness bug strikes one of the team hotels at the athletics World Championships in london. Those affected include members of the german Athletics Team and the Botswa Na The German Athletics Team and the botswana athlete had to pull out of the 200 metre heat here last night. With just one gold to their name, can the british team improve on their medal tally . Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. The Lawyerfor A British model who was allegedly held captive by a gang in italy has been giving more details about the case. Francesco peschi says chloe ayling, whos 20 and from south london, was told by her kidnappers that she would be sold as a sex slave in the middle east. He said she was acting under duress when she was seen shopping with her ca ptor before she was freed. She was told that people were there watching her and ready to kill her if she tried anything, so she thought that the best idea was to go along with it and to be nice in a way to her captor because he told her that he wanted to release her. This programme has learned that a number of uk women from south asian backgrounds who have cancer, hide it, because of a perceived stigma about the disease. Researchers say theyre worried that cultural taboos are leading to more women dying prematurely in the south Asian Community. Weve discovered that some hide their diagnosis from family and friends out of shame and in one case a woman only sought treatment when her breast was rotten. More than a0 Maternity Units in england closed to new admissions at some point last year according to data obtained by labour. A2 out of 96 trusts said theyd shut wards temporarily on 382 occasions. Labours blamed Staffing Shortages but the government says that is misleading and closures are well rehearsed. Police in west london are asking for help to identify a jogger who appeared to push a pedestrian into the path of a bus, dramatic cctv showing the incident which happened in may. It shows the man running along Putney Bridge and appearing to push the woman into the road. The bus is forced to swerve into the next lane to alloyd hitting her. The bus stopped and passengers tended to the woman who received minor injuries. An appeal has been launched for witnesses or anyone who recognises the jogger, described as white, early to Mid 30s With Brown Eyes and short brown hair. Anyone with information is asked to call police or crimestoppers. Another victim of the 11th September 2001 attack on the World Trade Center in New York City has been identified using new dna technology. The name of the man is being withheld at the request of his family. The last time a victim was identified was march 2015. Only 60 of the victims of the attack have ever been identified. Exam results in scotland have been published this morning. The proportion of a to cs passes fell slightly from 77. 2 to 77 this year, almost 137,000 candidates receiving their results through the post today, but more than a third signed up to get their results by text or e mail. A man has died after attempting to swim the english channel. A coastguard received the call last night from a support vessel saying the a0 year old swimmer was in difficulty. The Search And Rescue helicopter arrived at the scene within ten minutes and airlifted the man to hospital but he later died. He had been roughly half way through the crossing attempt when, according to kent police, he became unwell. That is a summary of the news, more at10. That is a summary of the news, more ath. 30. An that is a summary of the news, more at 10. 30. An e mail that is a summary of the news, more at10. 30. An e mailfrom that is a summary of the news, more at 10. 30. An e mailfrom a former Police Officer on the use of tasers. I was Police Officer on the use of tasers. Iwasa Police Officer on the use of tasers. I was a Police Officer for 30 years and was assaulted many times when on duty by those drunk, high on drugs or whojust didnt duty by those drunk, high on drugs or who just didnt want to be arrested. 0ne or who just didnt want to be arrested. One of the worst assaulted i suffered was from the hands of a young teenager who didnt want to comply with a reasonable request while in custody. I couldnt believe the sheer level of violence directed at me by someone of a young age, how i wish i had been in possession of a taser. It could have saved many visits to my gp and an extended period of sick leave. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. Heres some sport now with jess jess it seems a serious stomach bug has affected several of the athletes there in london whats the latest developments this morning . We have had the latest in from Public Health england who say 30 People Associated with the world Athletics Hundredships including athletes and support staff have been affected. EnvironMental Health have carried out an inspection by say there is no evidence to suggest that there is no evidence to suggest that the hotel is the source of this stomach bug. This all emerged last night when the botswana athlete Isaac Makwala pulled out of the 200 metre heat here. It late eemerged it was due to this stomach bug. Now this has been a massive Talking Point here this morning as the details have come in. Athletes from at least four nations have been affected. The formerjavelin star Steve Backley spoke to us about this. Im sure theyll get to the bottom of this and understand what has caused it. But its a bit of a concern for the organising committee for london. Its not great, its not what we would have wanted and hopefully its squashed quite quickly. Well talk to Public Health england before 11 this morning. Is there a sense of disappointment amongst british fans because of the lack of medals, one medal and the sort of near misses from british athletes . Yes. This is not where the british team would have wanted to be as we reach the Half Way Point on day five. Many missed opportunities. Katrina Johnson Thompson we hoped might have won a heptathlon and that wasnt meant to be. And laura muir in the womens1500 metre final, she just missed out on that bronze and then heartbreak as well for Sophie Hitchon in the hammerfinal, she fought back tears when she realised she could only finish in seventh position. The british team will certainly be hoping for a much more successful time of it tonight. Theres only one brit going in a final. Thats Kyle Langford in the mens 800 metres. Coverage gets under way on bbc two with gabby and the team from 6. 30 tonight, victoria. Thank you very much. Now, back to our top story today. Experts are warning that some british south asian women are reporting cancer later than other british ethnic groups because of a perceived stigma. Researchers have told this programme theyre worried cultural stigmas and taboos are leading to more women dying prematurely in the south Asian Community. Weve learned that some women even hide their diagnosis from family and friends out of a sense of shame. 0ur reporter amber haque bought you the full story an hour ago heres a shrt extract praveena stumbled upon a lump in her breast when she was 36. She grew up in a strict Indian Community where even talking about this disease was deemed shameful. When she was diagnosed, she decided to hide it. So a lot of it, in terms of not telling my family, i didnt tell them because ijust thought if people hear the fact that ive got cancer theyre going to think its a Death Sentence. Pooja is Lead Researcher from a team called clahrc, who are funded by a research arm of the nhs and they work with public and professionals on health inequalities. Shes spent the past few years looking at attitudes towards cancer in the south Asian Community. She is worried by some of the things shes heard. When it came to south asian women, there were some specific issues that actually were raised within this work. For example, there was more of an issue around shame, an issue around modesty. Also about the influence from the males in the family and elders in the family, and if they didnt think that women should be going for screening, they wouldnt go for screening. What are some of the more shocking misconceptions youve heard from asian women . They would hide the shame, in their eyes, of having a Cancer Diagnosis, because they felt it would influence their childrens future. The reluctance to go for a smear is that you dont want to be defiled. From the husband, it is deemed to be, like youre being unfaithful to them. Its like infidelity. When it came to going for smears, it was about women losing their virginities by having the smear test, and then again not being able to get married. Its hard to sayjust how serious the problem is, because very Little Information has been collected on ethnicity and mortality over the past decade. Research we do have has shown asian women with Breast Cancer have poorer survival, and theyre more likely to present with advanced tumours when they do get diagnosed. Experts tell us theyre concerned the cultural stigmas are leading to more south asian women dying. I worked in the cancer field for many years. Unfortunately, women who do not examine their breasts, theyre presenting late. And this reminds me of a woman who came to see us with a fungal thing, you know, rotten breast, and it was smelling so much that you couldnt even sit next to it. I dont know how long she was hiding that. What happened to her . Unfortunately, she died. I mean, it was very very sad. She was a young lady with young children, you know, but because she couldnt share that with anyone. And how often do you hear that women feel like they cant share it with their families . Its quite a lot. Lets talk now with madhu agarwal, nhs Cancer Support manager and chair of cancer equality, iyna butt who kept her Breast Cancer diagnosis hidden from some of herfamily and sadia habib from jos Cervical Cancer trust. Welcome all of you. Inya, you were diagnosed in 2015 aged 30 and they found a lump as big as a golf ball. What did you say to your family . think the first thought that came to my mind when the oncololgist said you have cancer was how do i tell my pa rents. You have cancer was how do i tell my parents. My husband was with me. I never thought about anything else other than, why couldnt i tell my pa rents. Other than, why couldnt i tell my parents. What was in your mind then . I think because i had my own child and the thought of telling my pa rents and the thought of telling my parents that their child has got cancer and when you hear the word cancer, you imagine death. Theres nothing else that you think of. To have to think of the worst scenario, to have to tell my parents was horrible. I didnt want to do it. No. But there might be a number of people who could relate to that, you dont want to tell your parents because you dont want to mention dying, but what about the south Asian Community . They dont talk about it, its not the norm to talk about it, its not the norm to talk about cancer, especially when i was told i had Breast Cancer, to say the word breast isnt normal in the Asian Community. You cant even say the word, let alone checking your breasts . The word, let alone checking your breasts . Far from it. Why . Ithink the word, let alone checking your breasts . Far from it. Why . I think a womans part within an Asian Community, her role is so heavy, youre a mother, a daughter, a daughter in law, a wife. Youre there to protect everybody, so when you get told youve got cancer, you are in that weak position where you cant afford to be in. You need to lift up the family and support them, not the other way around. I think there is a lot of burden asian women carry within the community. What kind of things did Family Members say to you when you told them . Oh, god, i heard all sorts. Some i heard during my treatment, some i heard after that my family told me, things theyd heard from people, things like wear a black bra and it will make the cancer going away. I heard things like, you must have done something wrong in your life and you have been Opinion Nished by god, pray more, do more by religion and its a punishment. I heard things like, dont have the treatment done, just pray and you will be fine, you dont need to go ahead youre being punished by god. Madhu we heard you talk about a patient who let her breast rotten before she sought treatment. That is unbelievably distressing and very sad . Its a horrifying experience. She would have been alive if shed gone to the gp at the right time. The problem is, we, when we talk about breast awareness, we only think about a lump in the body. Thats not true. There are other symptoms you need to look out for too. That is what is important. A lump is one of them, the other is, you take the screening, the mammogram and that shows up the abnormalities. What would stop a British Asian woman going for a mammogram . Raez another Family Member might have opened the letter. How are they going to tell the family that this is where they are going . It could be job related. They might not be in a permanentjob. Job related. They might not be in a permanent job. There are job related. They might not be in a permanentjob. There are multiple issues. You cannot say this is the prime reason. Whats the job got to do with going for a mammogram . They cant lose the money. They are not able to work. 0k. What is the message that you need to get out to people because of the barriers that are erected for some women in the south Asian Community in britain . We need to encourage women to particularly go for their screenings as well. So their breast or cervical or smear as well. So their breast or cervical or smear test as theyre known and we need to be working on the ground at grass root level to dispel some of the myths and beliefsment i can say that i have come across anecdotal evidence that reflects what your guests are saying. There isa what your guests are saying. There is a lot of stigma attached to cancer. The cancer word isnt mentioned. In some cases i heard that the community thinks it is contagious or that you can catch it and also you know that you may have sinned in your life which is the reason why youre being punished. And the multiple roles that south asian women plays within our home. She is the backbone of our family. For that reason, sometimes it is the fear factor. What if it is cancer, ifi fear factor. What if it is cancer, if i have a symptom or i go for my smear if i have a symptom or i go for my smear test, what if they find abnormalities. If you dont seek help or dont check your breasts then you may end up dying so you will be no use to your family after all anyway . Thats what we are trying to reinforce. Early detection and prevention is important in cancer. This common belief within the south asian communities that cancer means death, you knowf somebody is not going for their cervical screening and potentially if there are abnormal cells they can go on to develop Cervical Cancer. That would be in most cases diagnosed at a late stage if they have not been going for their smears which means a poor prognosis, a poor outcome leading to losing their lives and it almost becomes a self fulfilling prophecy within the community when somebody passes away from cancer that cancer means death. It becomes a Vicious Circle where fear becomes more widespread and a denial of talking about cancer. Its quite rife within the south asian communities. Cancer does mean death for some of us. But half of us will survive. Those are the facts. Scottie on Facebook Says for example, this is ignorance rather than citying marred ignorance rather than citying marred. I would probably say that, imean, we marred. I would probably say that, i mean, we do have cases where women are in denialas i mean, we do have cases where women are in denial as well. We know that they are probably well educated and they are probably well educated and they do know about the importance of going for their screenings and what it can mean if they dont, but its about trying to tackle the fear thats inside them and its a multiple number of reasons as well. We have women for example who are very well educated on hpv and its link to Cervical Cancer. I have come across a lady who knows everything about it. Is a fray frayed to go for about it. Is a fray frayed to go for a smear about it. Is a fray frayed to go for a smearand about it. Is a fray frayed to go for a smear and one of the reasons, the main reason for her in the past she was sexually abused and as a result, that acted as a barrier for her to come forward because its hardly talked about even within the south Asian Community, she had not talked about it to anybody at all. So, its about it to anybody at all. So, its about trying to tackle some of those fears that exists out there for a until of reasons. Briefly, finally, how are you now . Im very well. I have injections on a monthly basis which is quite difficult, but im on the mend. Good. Thats really good to hear. Thank you. Thank you all of you very much. Thank you. You can read more about that story on the bbc news site. Still to come he was hailed a hero after stopping a worldwide cyber attack that affected the nhs, but now Marcus Hutchins has been charged for creating a separate cyber attack. Well speak to an expert who has worked with mr hutchins in a few minutes. The 17 Year Old Girl whose case prompted a seniorjudge to say the state would have blood on its hands if suitable Mental Health provision was not found, will be moved to a psychiatric unit this week. She had been scheduled to be sent back into a Community Setting because of a shortage of beds, but she has made several attempts on her life. Simon rowbotham has been appointed by the court to act as her barrister. So you are independent looking at the best interests for girl x. Thank you very much for talking to us. How did this case end up in the courts . Well, the history of the case is quite long. It started off as a Child Protection matter. There was a big hearing last year when x had to be placed in scotland because there we re be placed in scotland because there were no secure beds available in england or wales. Then it has come back to court twice this year because she now needs a clinical setting and there wasnt a bed for her. So its quite a complicated case and its a long case and its a pretty sad one as well. She has been in this secure unit, i wonder if you can describe that for our audience . So just to be clear, can describe that for our audience . Sojust to be clear, she can describe that for our audience . So just to be clear, she was can describe that for our audience . Sojust to be clear, she was in can describe that for our audience . So just to be clear, she was in a secure unit. She is now in a secure unit that is actually part of a criminal sentence that she is under detention and training order. At the moment, and she tends to be quite isolated. I would urge people to a lwa ys isolated. I would urge people to always read judgments, but particularly the june judgment because at the end the judge took the time to set out in a lot of detail what the arrangements are at the moment, but it is a bedroom with a mattress thats been stripped away. She doesnt have any personal items. There is no carpets and that is all because at the moment any items that she has, she tries to harm herself or kill herself with. 0k. And what are her needs . Harm herself or kill herself with. Ok. And what are her needs . We dont know. At the moment, at the moment the needs that were trying to address are the day to day needs of stopping her harming herself and that involves all the measures that ive just discussed, it involves restraint. The reason she needs the clinical setting is so that we can find out what she needs. We dont know why she is trying to harm herself. We dont know why she has expressed a wish to kill herself. We need to get it into the clinical setting to start those assessments and once those assessments are completed hopefully we will have a better idea of what xs needs are and what treatment she needs moving forward. Right. And i wonder if the judge hadnt spoken out and spoken out in these terms, you know, state could have blood on its hands, would girlx could have blood on its hands, would girl x have remained in a non clinical setting . Well, its difficult to say. Certainly, it has helped. We dont know is the reality, but i know that the judge in hisjudgment reality, but i know that the judge in his judgment yesterday expressed some pessimism that we have a, got the result as quickly as we got, or b, got it to the full extent that weve got. Its a sorry State Of Affairs that we asked and asked and that clinicians on the ground were clear as to what x needed and it has taken this to get it. The evidence at the moment would have suggested that had it not had the Public Interest that it has had and had the judge a, not been the most important familyjudge in the country and b, had such a widely published judgment, had none of that happened, we dont know where we would have been. But the reality is on 1ath august, next monday, she has to leave the placement and time is running tight and i mean this is right up to the wire and it didnt need to be. The fear was that she might attempt to take her life ain . Might attempt to take her life again . Thats right. If she doesnt have the right care around her and that care is stopping her taking her life. If she didnt have that care, there is a very high risk that she would have done and the only reason she wont z wouldnt have that care is because the resources arent there. It is from that prospective, it is my understanding, that it is why thejudge made it is my understanding, that it is why the judge made the comments they did, we as society, everybody must ta ke did, we as society, everybody must take responsibility for what we are willing to fund and what we are not willing to fund and what we are not willing to fund and what we are not willing to fund and if she killed herself it would have been because of lack of resources and we would have had blood on our hands to use thejudges words. This morning, in an exclusive interview, the parents of two young Charity Volunteers who died after being swept out to sea tell this programme theyre taking legal action against the charity which organised the placements. 19 year old Alice Barnett and 21 year old Summer Robertson died when they were overpowered by fierce currents off a beach in south africa. They were enjoying the last few days of a ten week Charity Placement working with deprived young people in a south african township. This morning both families have agreed to talk to you in their First Television interview together about what happened to their daughters and why theyve come to this decision. Lets talk to alices mum Suzie Barnett and her dad Pete Gallagher and summers mum and dad sarah and john robertson. Thank you very much for coming on our programme. I wonder if i could ask you first of all to talk to our audience about your daughters. I dont mind who goes first. Summer was a typical 21 year old daughter. She had heard an advert for this Charity Expedition to south africa. She had never done anything like that before and decided that it was something shed like to do. She took ten weeks unpaid leave from herjob to go and do this and it is not something you could just turn up and do, they had to raise x amount of pounds themselves to show their commitment that they wanted to go and do it and this was herfirst one. How would you describe her . Summerwasa one. How would you describe her . Summer was a bundle of fun. She was full of laughter and it is her laughter that we miss most. She was the heartbeat of our family and it made a humongous dent. How would you describe alice . A force to be reckoned with. Six foot tall. Bright red hair. Incredibly thoughtful. Well informed and opinionated and really an amazing sense of what was right and what was wrong and if she thought something was wrong, she would do something about it, but not sort of go in blindly. If you questioned her on anything, she always had an answer and so, she felt very strongly about Animal Rights campaigns, human rights, you know, she had a deeply profound sense of love and compassion for everything from a butterfly to an elephant to a person, you know, to her, these were all lives, precious. Real strong sense of how sacred and precious life is. Was that port of her motivation for this volunteering . Yes, absolutely. Every single word is spot on. She was the finest example of a human being ive ever met in my life. I was so proud that she was our daughter. She wa nted that she was our daughter. She wanted to help. Wherever she went, she wanted to help. She would be quite happy to admit that she hadnt decided what she wanted to do with the rest of her life, but she was able to sit down and say, if i can do something now that changes anything from a community to the world, why wouldnt i do that . Ive got 80, 90 years to decide what to do with the rest of my life. We backed her all the way. She did a placement in cambodia the year before and helped a school out there, who are still feeling the benefits of that and the following year decided to go to south africa. Again with summer, this was something she worked hard for herself. You know there, was a project that she found that financially was something she could achieve by herself. Work hard. Raise money. Raise wareness for the project they were going out to support and she felt very strongly about these sort of gap year programmes that cost a fortune and really are glorified holidays and then you do a few days of something, you know, building a wall that possibly will fall down the following week. That wasnt the route she wanted to take. She saw through all that and she thought this genuinely is a well established, well supported project that absolutely know what theyre doing and that was why she was drawn to this project in particular. Sarah, on, when did you discover that they had been in the sea on the evening of ath december 201a and that they had been. When we had the knock on the door at 11. 30 by two Police Officers. Going into that sea two Police Officers. Going into that sea wasnt even on their list of itinerary that they were supposed to be doing. It was a last minute switch by that company. We still dont know why. We didnt know they we re dont know why. We didnt know they were at the coast until we had the knock on the door. Summer was missed. They came at 11. 30, summer was missing at sea. Why is she missing at sea . Was she on a boat trip . Within 15 minutes. Summer had been found. Summerwas trip . Within 15 minutes. Summer had been found. Summer was discovered on the beach and then all hell broke loose. Just total confusion. And what we know is that five people waded into the sea that evening. An area of ocean where there was a rip current and the coroner found that although the charity, lattitude had done a safety check, they were unaware of the risk it could pose and thats really important, i think, for you to get across to people that this can take you . Its really important, the project the girls were working on was in a township in south africa by the sea. For ten weeks they were in a township, then they were taken by the charity to this remote beach location in south africa. For a debrief wasnt it . Yes, at the end of their placement. So it wasnt, you can go off and do whatever you want, this was, for some reason, changed from somewhere that they had been for their orienteering programme right at the beginning of the project. It was then changed to this remote beach location where there was literally the hostel and there was literally the hostel and the beach. That was it. There was a generic Risk Assessment for south africa and within it were contained certain guidelines. However, moving toa certain guidelines. However, moving to a new location, there wasnt a new Risk Assessment done. There was no re enforcement even of the guidelines, the basic guidelines that were in the initial Risk Assessment about beach safety bearing in mind you are taking these young people now to the beach for four days, and the promises they made about these Risk Assessments being safe, taking local advice, having people on the ground who knew the area and the location, they were specialists in this field, either they werent specialists, as they claimed or there was a breakdown in communication because this Vital Information was not passed on to the volunteers. In fact, to be quite precise, what they said was, well always do all they said was, well always do all the research necessary, including talking to the local communities. When anyone else has asked the local members of the community in this area would you go near the sea, the response is, they laugh at you. Because they are absolutely aware of the current. Noone would go anywhere near it. The department for International Development told us, the guidelines have changed now as a result of what happened to your daughters, and people have to wear life jackets. The rules were already in place, that you didnt use unsupervised beaches, thats where they took them. Very specifically dont swim in unsupervised locations, in dawn and dusk and seek local advice was in the guidelines but it wasnt communicated to the volunteers. Also the country manager was the one who took them with him into the sea. The person who showed them. We dont know specifically he did that, he definitely waded in to the sea, he was one of the five . He was the first one in. Thats documented on the inquest. Vso chair of trustees, statement the loss of the two young lives was a terrible tragedy and the grief suffered by theirfamilies must tragedy and the grief suffered by their families must be tragedy and the grief suffered by theirfamilies must be unimaginable. We are committed to enshiring they have a full and accurate understanding of what happened in this terribly sad situation. The investigations been investigated by the coroner. This is the subject of a legal claim so we are unable to comment further. Can ijust a legal claim so we are unable to comment further. Can i just correct you. That is from latitude, i beg your pardon. And thats very important. That is why there is no further comment, i do apologise. Can you explain to our audience why you are taking legal action against the hairty . Its the only route we have got available to us to try to bring them to accept that they made mistakes. Theyve never apologised for anything. Theyve not even said sorry. They will not accept any responsibility. They still believe theyve done absolutely nothing wrong. And we have tried every other way. This really is the last resort for us. We have spoken to the health and safety executive, the charity commission, to our mps, we have spoken to dfid and tried everything. We have tried to talk to them, to latitude as well, quite early on when we started questioning things they were telling us about, you know, we were told it was a freak wave and pete was contacted by somebody from belgium on twitter whod read about it in the paper and said, you know, sent his condolences and said im sorry to have to tell you i dont think it was a freak wave, i think it was a rip current because he was caught in one with his brother four years previously and his brother died. That is when we started to question, hang on a minute, latitude, we think it was a rip current, did you know about them. They said no, we had no idea, didnt know about this. The more we questioned and asked for evidence of this, that and the other, the more questions we had and we wanted to speak to the manager asking what went wrong, what happened. We werent setting ourselves up against them, we wanted to work with them but the more we questioned them, the more they shut their doors to us. What do you hope this legal action will achieve . Well, i think its very, very important to say that for two and a half years, weve tried every single avenue possible to reach any form of resolution. We never wanted to take any legal action at all. The only reason we agreed to, i suppose ironically in some peoples eyes, is because we we re some peoples eyes, is because we were told theres not a chance of any financial compensation. As soon as we knew that, and we knew that we couldnt possibly be seen as people whore looking to gain something except for the good of the cause, we agreed to go ahead. We cannot win anything financially. So that has swayed our opinion. Theres got to bea swayed our opinion. Theres got to be a point where the company who still to this day wont communicate properly with us, who still to this day, suzie and sarah went in for a meeting with the board of directors who didnt know the facts, they didnt know the information of the case and im really sorry, my daughter died, i want you to know every single detail and when you meet the two mothers, i want you to be able to talk with some form of knowledge that allows them to know that youve done your work too. So to actually have to go through all of these stages and to come out at the other end with a company saying, we really dont think we did anything wrong, it was all in place, well, it wasnt. The coroners report says it wasnt. The independent report says it wasnt. They are both public documents. I would urge people toe read those documents. We are not making any of this up, we are not exaggerating. The fact of the matter is, they have never, ever said sorry, they have never, ever said sorry, they have never accepted any accountability whatsoever and if you can get by the paperwork in the first case, why cant you get by that paperwork in every other case . So, as was brought up every other case . So, as was brought up earlier, which is a great for instance, we are come up time and time again against, well im ever so sorry, i know you have got a strong point but this happened in south africa its out of ourjurisdiction, so africa its out of ourjurisdiction, so whats the point of having health and safety rules and regulations, having a dirty great Big Government stamp on the front of your companys document, we are supported by the government and then none of those things mean anything because its out of ourjurisdiction. Its nothing to do with the south african government and, apparently its nothing to do with our guys either. I think its worth saying that six months or so after it happened, vso, the parent company, they got a new ceo and that gentleman, from day one, has said, what on earth is going on here, we need to get these four people in and sort everything out with them and hes been absolutely brilliant. Hes remoll edded everything for us. Phillip goodwynn says we are profoundly sorry that alice and summer died. We cant begin to imagine what the last three years have been like for the family and friends. We recognise that we could have worked with the pa rents that we could have worked with the parents more constructively in the months immediately following this accident. We have stayed in close touch with them and well always be available to them. Latitude is no longer a participant in the ics programme, ics being the International Citizenship service programme. And againjust to programme. And again just to clarify that point, the reason that latitudes contract was terminated with the vcoics contract was terminated with the vco ics programme was as a direct result of what happened. Again, that is something that latitude push back on. Ok. Phillip goodwynn changed his statement and added that in. Its a fa ct, statement and added that in. Its a fact, its not. So, you know. Latitude say they werent fired. Latitude say they werent fired. Latitude have said nothing has been their fault from day one, including not apologising for everything. would just like to say that from day one, when the incident happened, i mean we were told we wanted to go out straightaway out there and they told us there was no point us travelling to south africa because you will not be allowed to see your daughter. You will not see her. End of. We havent. We have never seen them. By the time they came back to this country. You were told dont see them . We were told dont see them. Im really sorry. The point about the paperwork, the point about the latitude response to the coroners recommendations, i mean we had to fight to get that verdict, to get a narrative verdict because it was going to be open and shut accident, thats it. It wasnt until we started investigating that we thought, theres more to this than the information we are being told. So we had to do the investigation ourselves and ask volunteers whats happened. We have never been allowed to communicate with the in country manager who was responsible for health and safety and who took them into the sea. We have never been allowed to communicate with him because latitude told us he was traumatised, then he was back at work. Then we had a meeting a year ago with the board of trustees, it was, he doesnt work for us any more, so was, he doesnt work for us any more, so we was, he doesnt work for us any more, so we have was, he doesnt work for us any more, so we have never was, he doesnt work for us any more, so we have never spoken to him. We have an awful lot of information we dont know and probably will never know, but what we do know is, when we did get that narrative verdict from the coroner, the coroner, the invest process is not allowed to apportion blame. Theyre very, very clear on this what you can and cant say. You cannot apportion blame. However, a narrative verdict meant that the coroner made recommendations. Its issued in cases where things can be done to prevent further deaths. Latitude responded, the coroner said in order to prevent further deaths you have to do x, y and z and latitude said we have put the paperwork in place, ticked the bobbings. 0ur point is, you have the paperwork in place that could have saved alice and summers lives in the initial Risk Assessment ticked the box. We dont know where the breakdown is but its in the communication, staff training, something went wrong because that information wasnt communicated to the volunteers. It wasnt like they thought oh, we know the sea is dangerous, we know we shouldnt be going in at this time, we know rip currents will be there but we are going to do it anyway and take our chances. They werent given that information but somebody with them had that information. For whatever reason, they didnt tell us. It wasnt passed on. Thank you for talking to us and coming on the programme. Thank you. Some Breaking News to bring you now. Clive coleman is here, hes our Legal Affairs correspondent. What do you know . This is a very emotive case about a seven year old boy. He has a very rare genetic condition called pku meaning he cant properly met about lie protein so hes limited to 12 grammes of protein a day, equivalent to about three slices of bread. If he eats more than that, he risks suffering serious brain damage. His case is complicated by the fact that he also has severe awe tim, hes autism. Hes non verbal. So its very, very difficult to regulate his diet. There is a drug that enables you to met about lie more protein. Its incredibly expensive, costing about £100 per day. The nhs co nsulta nt about £100 per day. The nhs consultant treating this little boy, known only as a in these proceedings, wants him to have that drug and put in whats known as an independent funding request to nhs england. They turned it down, initially saying the case wasnt exceptional. They rode back on that and said that this combination of pku and the autism does make the case exceptional but said they wouldnt fund the drug on the basis that its clinical and Cost Effectively hadnt been proven. The family brought a judicial case review on this and theyve won on one of the grounds. The ground theyve won on is that the judge has ruled that that decision not to fund the drug on the basis that it wasnt clinically or Cost Effective was irrational. Mrsjustice andrews this morning said the decision to decline this application on the basis that the clinical effectiveness of this drug interventions not been demonstrated by a misinterpretation of the phrase clinical effectiveness. She said if clinical effectiveness is properly interpreted, the fact that the drug is useful is overwhelming. Its not a mandatory. The decision now goes back to nhs england with this powerfuljudgment behind back to nhs england with this powerful judgment behind it, back to nhs england with this powerfuljudgment behind it, so the chances are, i would suggest, hes likely to get it. They also brought this on a wider ground. If they won on this, it would have had implications for the parents of many children who have these rare conditions where the drugs are very expensive. They didnt win on that basis. So unfort natally, this is restricted to this one child but it looks like he may well get the drug now. Road rage killer kenneth noye is to be transferred to an open prison after the justice secretary accepted after the justice secretary accepted a parole board recommendation. Kenneth noye is to be transferred to an open prison after thejustice secretary accepted an invitation from the parole board. A british computer expert hailed a hero after he stopped a worldwide cyber attack that crippled parts of the nhs has been released from a us prison. 23 year old Marcus Hutchins has been charged with creating and distributing a separate cyber attack known as kronos, which harvests and steals bank details. Hes due to appear in court in milwaukee later today charged with six counts of creating and selling the malware. Malware is software which is specifically designed to disrupt, damage, or gain access to a computer system. This is Marcus Hutchins, who is from devon, speaking about his involvement in derailing the nhs attack earlier this year. I went out to lunch, i got back. I then saw lots of reports from different sort of sectors of the nhs, and they were just all simultaneously being like, were being hit. And i thought, this one thing is hitting all these sectors so its got to be something pretty big, so i went and i looked into it. I asked a Friend Of Mine in the industry if he had a sample of the actual malware that was going around, and he sent it to me. I used Virtualisation Software which basically makes a computer within your computer, so that it wouldnt affect me, and i saw what it did. Lets talk now to naomi colvin. Shes from the charity the courage foundation. Shes been in contact with Marcus Hutchins lawyers in the usa and is trying to help his case. Jeremiah grossman is a Cyber Security expert and former hacker. He worked with Marcus Hutchins on wannacry. He has been released from jail. Yes. Which you would say is good news . M is really good news. At his court dates last week he was granted bail for 30,000 which is really unusual in this case and it speaks to how organised and supportive his group of friends has been. The publicity helped as well. They couldnt raise that money and he was in custody and now he has been released . M that money and he was in custody and now he has been released . It took a while to get the money together in the United States and he was released late last night. In the court case youre telling me has been moved to next week . Yes, because of the timing. So he is in vegas at the moment. He will have to go to wisconsin to be arraigned formerly and that will take place on monday. Right, so, mr hutchins lawyer says he denies the charges. Are the two reconcilable . The us prosecutors statement has been misrepresented because my understanding of what was said was that he admitted to writing some of the code which appeared in the mall ware. Which is a different thing. Somebody can appropriate somebody elses code which has been released on the internet and writing code, which others go on to repurpose and misuse in some way, is not a crime, evenin misuse in some way, is not a crime, even in the United States. 0k. What can you tell us about the mall ware that mr hutchins has been accused of designing effectively, charged with designing . M accused of designing effectively, charged with designing . It is a little curious because it is a form of malware it is three or four years old. At the time it was regarded as a failure. It was written to be resold and used for banking fraud, but it never really went anywhere. When the name came up, we had to go become and figure out what it was because no one actually heard of it. Is it your theory that Marcus Hutchins could have been making this for the purpose of understanding it better . We dont know. The department of justice issued better . We dont know. The department ofjustice issued the indictment, but it was devoid of any particular evidence. So we really dont know what theyre holding on to as faras dont know what theyre holding on to as far as they think marcus might have had his hand on it. It could be like he wrote some code, somebody that originally wrote it reappropriated his code and they saw it was his and all of a sudden hes wrapped up in a big mess. Ok. I wonder, isnt that the go to defence when you have been caught doing something illegal . My understanding is that hes going to plead not guilty in wisconsin next week. I think that as the indictment is incredibly thin. There is no indication of what evidence us prosecutors have, if any, and we have to wait until next week. How do you react to what happened to him . think its quite shocking. I think the way it happened was quite shocking. He was arrested at the airport just shocking. He was arrested at the airportjust as he was about to board his plane. He managed to speak to his parents now, but his mother, the first thing she knew he didnt get off his plane back from the United States. It is pretty bad and i think that these prosecutions in the us are quite political and the fa ct the us are quite political and the fact that marcus has such a high profile, that he is regarded as a hero here. He did an enormous service to anyone by stopping the mall ware in its tracks and because of when he did it, it is individuals and businesses in the us who benefited disproportionately for that because he did it before the east coast turn their computers on. It is an unfortunate fact that having a high profile makes you a target for prosecutors in the us. Thank you very much. Shocking footage has emerged of a woman, who escaped serious injury after appearing to be pushed by a jogger into the path of a bus in west london. 0ur correspondent Jessica Parker is with me. First, lets have a look at the cctv. If you look at the footage of the jogger if you look at the footage of the jogger you can see him running across Putney Bridge. This is in west london. This on 5th may where appears to push this woman into the path of an on coming bus and you can see the bus swerving to avoid her. If we look again at the footage. He is running across Putney Bridge. Away from Putney Bridge station. As he runs past the woman, this is at 7. A0am. There he appears to push her. She falls over. The bus swerving there to avoid her. The 33 year old woman sustaining pinor injuries. The bus stopped and passengers got off the bus to go to heraid. Passengers got off the bus to go to her aid. And what are the police saying . Well, they are appealing for people to come forward who witnessed the incident. Thejogger is described as a white man with brown eyes and short brown hair, wearing a light grey t shirt and dark blue shorts and apparently 15 minutes after the incident he came back across the bridge and the woman, the victim, who was still there, tried to talk to him, but he didnt acknowledge her and carried on running, but as i say, police urging witnesses to come forward or the jogger witnesses to come forward or the jogger himself, the investigating officer saying the victim was put in extreme danger when she was knocked into the road. It was only due to the superb Quick Reaction of the bus driver that she was not hit by the vehicle. Incredible. Thank you very much, jessica. The police say if you have got more information, please, please, please, get in touch with them. The organisers of the athletics World Championships in london have revealed that a number of athletes have contracted gastroenteritis. Those whove come down with it include members of the german team, and the botswanan athlete Isaac Makwala who had to pull out of the 200m heats last night. The organisers of the athletics World Championships in london have revealed that a number of athletes have contracted gastroeteritis. Those whove come down with it include members of the german team, and the botswanan athlete Isaac Makwala who had to pull out of the 200m heats last night. Dr Deborah Turbitt from Public Health england is with us in the studio. How many people have been affected . 20 to 30 people. What is gastroenteritis . Thats diarrhoea and vomiting. So those are the symptoms that people have been experiencing. With norovirus it usually lasts between 2a and a8 hours and people get better on their own. The important thing, it spreads from person to person. So, we have been advising the athletics organisers about how to ask people to be very careful about their hygiene and cleaning. So that any virus that gets into the environment is not able to spread to other people. And how would someone contract it in the first place . It is directly from another person who has the illness because theyre shedding the virus. It comes outs with the vomit or diarrhoea and gets into the environment and goes on hands or surfaces and so, people need to, when theyre having symptoms, stay away as much as possible from other people and thats what we have been asking the people who have been affected to do. 0k. And as far as you know, it is nothing to do with where they are staying . No, it is nothing to do with where they are staying. 0ur belief is that some people arrived with the virus and have managed to spread it to other people. They didnt know they were doing that obviously, but it does spread very easily and particularly when people are gathered together. Its the sort of outbreaks we see all the time in places like schools and hospitals and on cruise ships. Its quite common. Right. Ok. But its a real shame for them . It is. They are supposed to be competing and they have been gearing up for this goodness knows how long and training for it . Yes. They will get better, but for it to happen just at the point where they are wanting to compete is a great shame for them personally, yes. Thank you very much. Some messages now from those of you who watched our film from our reporter amber hack on the stigma surrounding a Cancer Diagnosis amongst women in the south Asian Community. A viewer says, it might be time to go for a cervical smear test because asian women are not getting tested. Mike says, working nn an operating theatre we had a british woman into our theatre for an emergency operation. She did not report her abdominal pain until she was actually passing faeces or rally. Was actually passing faeces or rally. Another viewer on Facebook Says, there is no stigma to cancer. Stop this now. I never ever heard such nonsense in my life. A reminder this morning, a close friend of, chloe ayling, the model who was allegedly held captive by a gangin who was allegedly held captive by a gang in italy told this programme that she thinks her friend was misled. She has known chloe ayling since she was 15 and who also runs a model agency has talked to chloe ayling in the last couple of days. Chloe being a Friend Of Mine, ijust think chloe is o and good girl. A little bit naive. Could she be misled . I just dont want to say to be honest. 0bviously she has grown up be honest. 0bviously she has grown up to when i knew her from the beginning at 15. She is now a 20 year old woman, but if anything happened like that, i would say she was misled. Thank you for your company. Were back tomorrow at 9am. Good morning. It is another wet day across many parts of england and wales. A very 599y parts of england and wales. A very soggy picture particularly so towards lincolnshire and the midlands at the moment. Look at this weather watcher photo there. Not great for a summer holiday. You can see from the radar picture where you have got the bulk of that rain across central and eastern parts, heavy showers developing towards wales and the south west of england. Those will continue into the afternoon and some heavy and thundery rain developing across east anglia and the south east of england. Further north, for scotland and for Northern Ireland, a little bit drier and brighter. Some sunny spells and scattered showers. Top temperatures 15 to 19 celsius, but feeling cool beneath the cloud, the rain and where you have got a brisk north easterly wind. Heavy rain continuing overnight tonight in central and eastern parts and it will continue throughout wednesday. Another wet day in that south eastern corner. Just escaping it really in kent and east sucks ses. Further north and west, a dry day for many with sunny spells. Light winds as well. It will feel warm and temperatures up to 20 celsius in glasgowment further south and east, cool and wet. Bye bye. This is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11am. More than a0 of Maternity Wards in england closed their doors to expectant mothers at least once last year. 30 athletes and staff including botswanas Isaac Makwala is one of the athletes who have pulled out of the world athletics championships due to a bout of gastroenteritis. 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