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we'll get advice from other mums who gave birth at the age of 50. hello. welcome to the programme, we're live until 11:00 this morning. as always, we'll bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories and we're really keen to hear from you. a little later we'll be hearing how four days into january some fat cat bosses have already earned more this year than the average british worker will earn in the entire year! your thoughts on that welcome. use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today... britain's outgoing ambassador to the european union, sir ivan rogers, has strongly criticised the government's preparations for brexit. in his resignation letter he said he didn't know what ministers' negotiating objectives were and called on his colleagues to challenge what he called muddled thinking. our diplomatic correspondent, james landale, reports. sir ivan rogers has been britain's ambassador to the eu for three years, and his criticisms about the government's preparations for brexit will be hard to ignore. in his resignation e—mail, he says there is a short supply of... he reveals that even he does not know what the government's negotiating objectives for brexit will be. but it is sir ivan's implicit and thinly veiled criticism of ministers that is most telling. he urges fellow officials never to be afraid to speak truth to power, and to challenge what he calls muddled thinking and ill—founded arguments. he says they should support each other in difficult moments when they have to deliver messages that are disagreeable to those who need to hear them. so, sir ivan's charge is a serious one — that the government isn't ready for brexit and it is ignoring the advice of its diplomats. let's cross to westminster and to our political correspondent iain watson. what will be the reaction to this resignation e—mail? what will be the reaction to this resignation e-mail? there has been widespread reaction this morning. a number of fronts, believe campaigners, iain duncan smith is saying, it wasn't possible for the government to trust sir ivan rodgers. if you look at the manor of this letter, he doesn't seem to be in sync with the government's views on brexit and perhaps it was better for him to go. but remain campaigners have been regretting his departure. they say there has been a lot of experience, sir ivan rodgers felt he was too close to brussels. but he knew how brussels work. we heard from the former head of the foreign office, the former head of the diplomatic service who said he thinks sir ivan rodgers will be a great loss just several months before theresa may is due to press the button on article 50, the process of leaving the european union. he thinks one of the reasons he left is because his advisor wasn't being listened to in downing street. what comes through in that note is a certain amount of frustration from ivan rogers, on what he says the negotiating position has been coordinated in london and the advice from negotiators in brussels is being included in that. by the time we trigger article 50, we need clarity about the objectives and the purpose of the negotiation. how much of a problem is this for theresa may and downing street? having to replace your senior eu representative at this point is not something that is desirable. but we will have to get on with it, the prime minister will have to go ahead and there will be a selection process involving the foreign office, the foreign secretary, the cabinet secretary and the prime minister, to find someone who is qualified and able to take over from ivan. that is one of the problems that has been pointed out to her, the process and the timescale for the replacement. the clock is ticking and theresa may has said article 50 has to be invoked before the end of march. but from my conversations this morning, there isn't a clear process in place to find a replacement for sir ivan rodgers. one of the keyjobs he did was meet representatives from all of the other eu member states every week. so in terms of getting the intelligence from brussels, what other countries might be up to, is vitally important. so far it looks as though it might be a recommendation from a senior civil servant as to who his successor should be. but the fact no timescale is in place for his replacements, suggest it was a surprise to downing street that he left at this stage, even though he was due to stand down before the end of the. that will be a challenge for theresa may. but the biggest political challenge will be to a nswer biggest political challenge will be to answer the central accusation in his central brexit resignation letter, is that the government wouldn't give us a running commentary on brexit, or share the negotiating strategy with us, but they don't know what the objectives are when they go into those crucial negotiations with the rest of the eu. thank you very much. now, a news summary from the bbc newsroom. former drivers for a private ambulance firm that provides emergency cover for the nhs, say they were given just an hour's training to drive under blue lights. a company based in essex called the ‘private ambulance service' is contracted to respond to emergencies during busy times. the company says the level of training of its staff exceeds the required standards. victoria will have more on this after quarter past. an israeli military court has convicted a soldier of manslaughter for killing a wounded palestinian who had stabbed another soldier. sergeant elor azaria, who's now 20, shot abdul fatah al—sharif while he was apparently incapacitated in the west bank last march. it happened during a wave of palestinian knife attacks. sharif and another palestinian had stabbed and wounded an israeli soldier in hebron before troops opened fire, wounding sharif and killing the other attacker. footage shows sharif was then shot dead from a few metres away. the bbc‘s yolande knell is in tel aviv. can you tell us a bit more about the sensitivities around this and the reaction? the panel of threejudges are still handing down their verdict in this case. what they have said is they don't buy the defence claimed by the soldier that he believed that abdul fatah al—sharif continued to pose a threat, because he saw him moving. he told the court he thought perhaps he had a suicide belt underneath his jacket. but the prosecution claimed this was an act of revenge after the earlier stabbing attack on soldiers. elor azaria had been a medic and treated one who was wounded. sentencing in this case will take place at a later date. there was a small crowd of people supporting elor azaria outside the court with signs saying, the nation is behind you. there have previously been rallies in his support here in tel aviv, with thousands of people turning out. some top israeli officials have spoken also backing him, but the idf has been clear, this is a breach of its moral values and military regulations and palestinians and israeli human rights groups who distributed the video that was shot in hebron on the day, very disturbing footage, they have said this case is evidence that excessive force was being used in some cases during the wave of palestinian attacks, which were mostly stabbings, but in some cases car ramming and shootings, over the past year. thank you. military and security experts in the uk are urging people to learn lifesaving skills in case they're caught up in a terror attack. they've launched an app called citizenaid, which offers people a step—by—step guide to saving lives in the event of such an attack. they say people need to know how to give vital first aid, such as stopping severe bleeding, before paramedics arrive. the retailer next says it is bracing for "tougher times" in 2017 as it reported a worse—than—expected festive performance. the company said full—price sales fell by 0.4% in the 5a days to christmas eve compared with the previous year. it also said its profits for the year as a whole would be at the bottom end of expectations. a think tank on high pay says top bosses will have earned more by lunchtime today than typical workers take home in the entire year. the high pay centre says that midday, on what it calls "fat cat wednesday" is the time some executives will pass the average uk salary of £28,200. the government is considering plans to make firms reveal the pay gap between chief executives and average workers. janetjackson has given birth to her first child at the age of 50. a statement said the musician and her qatari businessman husband wissam al mana were "thrilled" to welcome their son. the singer stopped a world tour last april, telling her fans she was planning a family with her husband. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 9:30am. we will be talking about private ambulance companies. quite a few of you getting in touch. this e—mail from somebody who wishes to remain anonymous. i have worked as an nhs paramedic for an early 20 years and private ambulance service crews lack of training, other worrying, would be the least of my concerns. i am often embarrassed by the stuff that back me up and i readily find myself making excuses for them to patients and explained they are private ambulance personnel and not nhs. i would like to remain anonymous because of the fear of repercussions of voicing my concerns. get in touch with us. use the hash tag victoria live on twitter. a private ambulance service say they don't accept the nature of the allegations have been made. you can e—mail as well. let's get some sport. and the premier league leaders chelsea are looking for a record—breaking night against tottenham. can they do it, jess? they're looking for an historic 14th straight win in the english top flight in one season. and i'm sure they wouldn't mind setting that record against their arch enemies totte n ha m. what's more, a win would extend their lead at the top of the table to eight points. so, a big night for chelsea, a big night for the fans. if they do win, this is something that hasn't happened since top—flight football was first played in 1888. formidable as chelsea are at the moment, though, spurs are enjoying a good run of form themselves. they've won their last four league games on the bounce, racking up eight goals. at one their revenge against chelsea who had a hand in them not winning the league last season. bournemouth will be kicking themselves? arsenal's title ambitions were dented last night, but bournemouth will still be kicking themselves, won't they? arsenalfans have had quite a bit to celebrate in recent days, after olivier giroud's remarkable scorpion—kick goal. and although they didn't beat bournemouth last night, this may well feel like a win for some. the gunners were 2—0 down at half—time, before bournemouth added a third in the second half. so, arsenal 3—0 down with half an hour to play, and would you believe it, they pulled it back. who else but that man giroud with the equalising goal. and the celebration to match. mike phelan, wasn't that long he was winning manager of the month? it was only in august, it shows how brutal football management can be. this is the third sacking of a premier league boss in as many weeks. phelan was manager of the month in august, before getting the role permanently in october. but hull city are bottom of the league, and have been in the relegation zone since mid—october. it's indicative of the difficult season they're having after being promoted. at the start of the campaign the club had just 13 fit senior players in their squad. also, the owners are trying to sell the club, which contributed to a breakdown in the relationship with the previous manager steve bruce. he walked away from the job injuly. understandable, then, that with all that happening in the background this season, hull city have struggled with results on the pitch. just one win in their last 18 leagues games, and they're three points from safety. the club say they will announce a replacement in due course. one name being mentioned is former birmingham city boss gary rowett. we will see what happens there. this programme has discovered that some staff at a private ambulance company have had as little as one hour's training to drive under blue lights. nhs trusts are increasingly using companies and charities to respond to emergency calls when they don't have available crews themselves. the private ambulance company, based in basildon in essex, has a contract to respond to 999 calls for the nhs ambulance trust in the east of england, as well as emergency transport between some hospitals. whistle blowers have told this programme about a lack of training, dirty conditions in the vehicles and inappropriate equipment. the company denies the allegations, and says all its staff have appropriate qualifications. our reporterjames melley has been investigating. an hour's training, that was it. one hour's training? one hour's training on blue lights, that was it. it was quite clear that i was working with people that weren't trained, weren't competent in the job. and now i've got to find a way of living without him. when we dial 999 for an emergency, most people expect nhs ambulances and their highly—trained crews to respond, but increasingly, as nhs trusts struggle to meet demand, private companies are stepping in to take their place. one of these companies is the private ambulance service, which is based in basildon, in essex. it carries out work like taking patients to hospital appointments, transferring sick people between hospitals, and it also provides cover for 999 calls for the east of england nhs ambulance trust. but whistle—blowers have told us staff aren't properly trained, and the equipment they use is not up to scratch. now, a woman is taking legal action against an ambulance trust after it sent... the private ambulance service was in the news last year, after the essex coroner criticised it over the death of 54—year—old gary page. one of the company's crews responded to a call saying he was suffering chest pain. and he said, "i think it's my heart." she put the stethoscope on his chest and said, "everything sounds fine." they ran tests and said mr page had got indigestion or had a hurt muscle and didn't take him to hospital. he later died, having suffered a heart attack. and i've got to find a way of living without him. and i don't want to. mrs page's solicitor stefanie prior is seeking compensation for her. what has the impact been on kim page? devastating. i don't think any words can describe how kim feels on a daily basis. preparing for christmas was very hard for her. she also had a family wedding in america. i actually spoke to her when she was in america, the night before the wedding, and she was really in a bit of difficulty with the whole process of attending the wedding with gary's family and gary not being there. what have you found out about the way the private ambulance service operates? well, i've been contacted by various individuals who were former employees of the private ambulance service who were worried about the safety of patients. one particularformer employee had reported them to care quality commission twice, to no avail. we've spoken to several people that work or have worked for the private ambulance service. "paul" would only speak to us if we disguised his identity. he worked for pas as a medic, but lost his job last year. what was it like when you started working there? surprising, i never had any induction or training. pretty much just sent out, and that was it. so you had no induction, no training? no. it was quite clear that i was working with people that, not through their own fault, that weren't trained. they weren't competent in the job, and they certainly weren't confident in dealing with situations. in particular, on the ambulance side, coming across what we call running calls, so you come across a patient, quite a few staff didn't know how to respond. didn't know how to take simple things like blood sugars, ecgs, didn't know how to do manual blood pressures. basic, basic stuff, really. is there an example where that happened that particularly sticks in your mind? yes, yes. we drove out of a hospital one day doing pts, or patient transport service work, and there was a lady collapsed in the entrance to a hospital. the colleague i was with at the time didn't have a clue what to do. as i say, she didn't know how to take a blood sugar, how to read ecgs, how to even do an ecg. i ended up treating the patient, by which time other crews coming out of the hospital ended up assisting us. when it's putting patients at risk, it's putting lives at risk, it's delaying what could be time—critical first aid, patient care. we started to hear more disturbing stories about a lack of basic training for staff at the private ambulance service. dan duke worked at the company in patient transport until 2013, when he was sacked. thejob could require him to drive under blue lights when taking an emergency patient between different hospitals. what training were you actually given, in order to drive under blue lights? an hour's training. that was it. one hour's training? one hour's training on blue lights, that's it. all i'd done was got in the vehicle, got everything ready, started to drive out, put the blue lights on and then it was, "just drive," all the way down the a127, keep going down. by that time it was about 11:00, so there was quite a bit of traffic, so it was having to go through the traffic and everything like that. then all the way along the seafront, and then back along the seafront up towards leigh—on—sea, back on the a127 and into basildon trading estate, where they were based at. but it wasn't. .. there were like cars everywhere. he told me once, "there's a sharp corner coming up, when you come off the end of the seafront and go round, there's a sharp turn," and he told me, "don't forget about that turn," but i already know it's there. but that's the only thing he really said to me about my blue—light training. he didn't really tell me what to do or anything like that. hejust gave me everything, said, "put the blue lights on, and off you go," sort of thing. i think that's astonishing. it is astonishing. dan says he now works for another ambulance company, where he receives comprehensive training. the private ambulance service says that staff are fully qualified, above the required standard. in law, emergency—service staff can break certain rules of the road if they're properly trained. orare being trained. so, what is an acceptable level of training to drive under blue lights? the east midlands nhs ambulance service let me watch it train its staff on its four—week course. just change that siren again to the phaser, that attention grabber. they've stopped, they've seen you, that's good. left—hand indicator, left hand mirror as we come out. nice and slow, in case we come across one of these. good. the white car's seen you. what kind of dangers do ambulance drivers have to be aware of when they're driving under blue lights? if you imagine everything that's on the road or by the side of the road is a potential hazard, it's a potential hazard to us, so some of the particular ones would be, as you'd expect, going through red traffic lights. we've got an exemption under law to treat a red traffic light as a give way, essentially. so we can proceed at a slow walking pace through those traffic lights, with maximum observation all around, to make sure it's safe to proceed on through. of course, the other traffic that's crossing us has the green light, so they have got priority, and we can only proceed if they yield to us. in your opinion, would it be possible to train somebody to drive under blue lights with an hour, a day of training? no. the fact that our whole course is four weeks long, and the first two weeks are the foundation, if you like, to actually move on to doing blue light training and then that training takes two weeks... we just couldn't, as an ambulance service trust, sanction anything really like that, no. during our investigation, we were contacted on social media by several existing members of staff at the private ambulance service. so, i can see a bug there on the floor of some description. yes, that floor looks very dirty. that could be a used sheet on the stretcher. so what's happened here is they've come into work and they've found this from previous... and there's another picture of some form of insect. what do you make of that? i mean, the patient that's got to ride in that ambulance has the right for that ambulance to be clean and in a condition that is going to support their health. patient transport services move some very ill and vulnerable people. so anything in there that could be a source of infection could get into somebody‘s system and could harm them. what do you see here? so, i can see what looks like a two—person carry chair, and by the looks of it, the foot strap is broken. i guess the issue with things like foot straps is it's not like moving parcels or pieces of equipment. when you move people, they‘ re unpredictable. i think certainly there is a difficulty with the staff trying to perform things like manual handling and lifting and carrying people safely. and that's a risky thing. if you drop someone's parcel, it doesn't matter, but if you drop someone's mother or their grandma, that's something that you can't take back, so the equipment needs to be safe. it's an absolute duty on the employer to make sure the equipment they provide is in safe working order. the care quality commission told us it found poor standards in infection control, staff not having enough time between shifts, and poor leadership arrangements during an inspection at the private ambulance service in august. a follow—up inspection found things were improving, including better cleaning procedures and there was an action plan in place for further changes. we approached the private ambulance service for an interview, they declined and told us... the nhs east of england ambulance service, which uses the private ambulance service to provide coverfor emergency calls, told us... but the solicitor representing the widow of gary page is worried what might happen if all the lessons aren't learned from his death. i'm concerned for other patients, because gary's situation, it was quite obvious he was suffering from chest pain, he should have been transported to hospital, and this isjust a simple thing that shouldn't have happened. there could be other patients in similar predicaments and the same thing might happen, or more serious medical conditions which could be left, which could be devastating for otherfamilies. if you work for a private ambulance company or you've experience of them, do get in touch this morning. stuart says, i worked there for two yea rs stuart says, i worked there for two years and i can back up the claims. i had been trained to drive under blue lights, but when i was assessed at the company, i was more qualified than the assessor. william says, your claims are quite correct, i had no driving training and i was expected to blue light immediately. i voiced my concerns as a retired police traffic officer, and i left after three years, it was 100% u nsafe after three years, it was 100% unsafe and the managers do not listen. darren says, the blue light trainingi listen. darren says, the blue light training i went through was for 15 days and that was done by qualified instructors. the firm involved in our report, the private ambulance service, said they do not accept the nature of the allegations. and if you want to watch that film again and share it, go to our programme page, which is bbc. co. uk/victoria. in the next hour we'll be hearing from a former worker of the private ambulance service and her claims she felt she was putting lives at risk due to the working conditions. this news to do with southern rail. a six—day strike by drivers from monday has been cut to three days. good news of sorts. but there is a likelihood of further action. that is according to aslef. a six—day strike which was chewed to start on monday, and is still due to start on monday, and is still due to start on monday, has been cut to three days, but aslef say there is still a likelihood of further action. still to come... in his first british broadcast interview, we speak to the cia analyst who questioned saddam hussein after his capture in 2003. janetjackson becomes a mum at 50. at 9:35am, we'll be speaking to britain's oldest first—time mum. she gave birth at 57. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. britain's outgoing ambassador to the european union, sir ivan rogers, has strongly criticised the government's preparations for brexit. in his resignation letter, sir ivan urged british colleagues speak truth to power." the government said he had stood down so a successor could be in place before brexit negotiations started. former drivers for a private ambulance firm that provides emergency cover for the nhs, say they were given just an hour's training to drive under blue lights. a company based in essex called the ‘private ambulance service' is contracted to respond to emergencies during busy times. whistle—blowers have set the level of some of the equipment in the ambulances is poor. the company says the level of training of its staff exceeds the required standards. an israeli military court has convicted a soldier of manslaughter for killing a wounded palestinian who had stabbed another soldier. sergeant elor azaria, who's now 20, shot abdul fatah al—sharif while he was apparently incapacitated in the west bank last march. it happened during a wave of palestinian knife attacks. sharif and another palestinian had stabbed and wounded an israeli soldier in hebron before troops opened fire, wounding sharif and killing the other attacker. footage shows sharif was then shot dead from a few metres away. as we have just been hearing... the rail union aslef says that a planned six—day strike by drivers on southern railway from next monday has been cut to three days. the network has been plagued by cancellations and delays for months as the two sides wrangle over pay, jobs and conditions. however aslef also said this morning that there's still a likelihood of further action. military and security experts in the uk are urging people to learn lifesaving skills in case they're caught up in a terror attack. they've launched an app called citizenaid, which offers people a step—by—step guide to saving lives in the event of such an attack. they say people need to know how to give vital first aid, such as stopping severe bleeding, before paramedics arrive. a think tank on high pay says top bosses will have earned more by lunchtime today than typical workers take home in the entire year. the high pay centre says that midday, on what it calls "fat cat wednesday" is the time some executives will pass the average uk salary of £28,200. the government is considering plans to make firms reveal the pay gap between chief executives and average workers. janetjackson has given birth to her first child at the age of 50. a statement said the musician and her qatari businessman husband wissam al mana were "thrilled" to welcome their son. the singer stopped a world tour last april, telling her fans she was planning a family with her husband. congratulations to janet jackson and family. did you give birth at 50? if so, get in touch. you know that feeling in january — never quite sure what year it is — well it happens to the best of us — including the vice president of the united statesjoe biden... 34 3a senators elected the beginning that term january the 3rd 2007. 17. 2017. 2017. do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic? applause here's some sport now. chelsea are chasing an historic 14th straight win in the english top flight in one season when they travel to to tottenham tonight. a win for the blues would extend their lead at the top of the premier league to eight points. arsenal came back from 3—0 down to draw 3—3 with at bournemouth. olivier giroud scored the equaliser in the 92nd minute, and keeps arsenal fourth in the table. mike phelan, wasn't that long he was winning manager of the month? and there's lots of british tennis action this morning. naomi broady here has been knocked out of the auckland classic, the hopman cup team lost in perth to france, but more positively kyle edmund is through to the quarter final of the brisbane open. the brother of a private detective found murdered 30 years ago has written to the prime minister theresa may, asking her not to drop plans to investigate the relationship between the police and the press. but first here's his brother's story. it's one of the biggest unsolved murders in british history. daniel morgan was a private detective working in london. 30 years ago, in 1987, he was found dead in a pub car park in sydenham, in south—east london. he'd been struck three times with an axe in the back of the head. his rolex had been stolen, there was £1,000, though, in his jacket pocket. southern investigations, the company daniel morgan set up with his business partner jonathan rees, was thought to be working with the police and news of the world journalists. it's thought that mr morgan was ready to expose corruption at scotland yard. despite five police investigations, no—one has been successfully prosecuted or convicted. the family wanted an independent inquiry. they fear a corrupt police officer may be connected daniel morgan's death. as home secretary, theresa may was the only minister in 25 years to respond to mr morgan's family. in 2013 she set up an expert panel, investigating the role of corrupt police, and their relationships with journalists and private detectives. but daniel's brother, alastair morgan, says its work has been delayed due to what he called a "lack of full cooperation" by the police. the metropolitan police said this was an exceptionally complex process, and they were working closely with the panel. the case remains unsolved. daniel morgan's brother alistair, who is here, believes police corruption prevented scotland yard from ever finding his brother's murderer. he is calling on theresa may not to drop so—called leveson 2 alongside alastair morgan is professor tim luckhurst, who's professor ofjournalism at the university of kent who doesn't believe there's any need for a leveson 2. the government is weighing this up, why do you think the government should go ahead? we have this enquiry looking into my brother's murder. when i accepted this proposal from the murder. when i accepted this proposalfrom the home murder. when i accepted this proposal from the home secretary that this should be looked into in this way, i had, in the back of my mind, the firm idea that leveson two was going to take place. and because a panel does not have statutory powers, it cannot subpoena witnesses, it cannot order them to give evidence or disclose papers or anything like that. i thought that if there were areas the panel could not deal with because they did not have the powers, then leveson two would be available afterwards after a kind of backstop, if you like. is that, bearing in mind, the cost of a potential leveson two, running into the millions, is that the right way forward to try to find out what happened to your brother? well, as i said it is a backstop. if the panel cannot get answers to seven very important questions, then this would bea important questions, then this would be a means of doing that. i also think that leveson two, the issue of journalists and the police has not been dealt with fully by leather someone. been dealt with fully by leather someone. i know from my brother's case, there are areas that need to be looked into. professor lott cursed, it would be worth reminding our audience what leveson two is meant to be? it is about regulation of the british press, it is a successoi’ of the british press, it is a successor to leveson one. looking into relationships in the past between britishjournalist into relationships in the past between british journalist and the police. it is an aspect some people think it is worth pursuing. these relationships were very long time ago, there have been many enquiries into the conduct of the police since 1987. the police have reformed their actions, journalists have reformed also and there is no need for leveson two on that basis. more importantly, leveson one is a spectacular failure and there is no need for leveson two on that basis. more importantly, leveson one is a spectacular failure and the isner public demand for there is nothing more to explain between the relationship betweenjournalists more to explain between the relationship between journalists and the police? relationship between journalists and the police ? it relationship between journalists and the police? it may in the past, on occasion have thrown up allegations of corruption, the proper way to investigate those is to criminal prosecutions and through the courts. which has happened? most of those cases has turned out not to convict jealous, although in some cases they have convicted police officers. that is the right way to do it. let's rememberthe is the right way to do it. let's remember the fundamental point. journalists exist to find out things which powerful people don't want the public to know. that means journalists often do need to have police sources, the work with police soufces police sources, the work with police sources often reveals information thatis sources often reveals information that is dramatically in the public interest. that is what the attempt to prosecute journalists discovered. your worry is that leveson two could potentially bring in further regulation of the press and you think it could be a bad thing?|j have think it could be a bad thing?” have been a critic of this process from the beginning. it has failed to win their support of any substantial british newspaper. it is not surprising it failed to gain the support of any substantial british newspaper, is it? it was the guardian that broke the bone hacking story. the godding campaign year after year to bring back an enquiry. also it is refusing to abide by the conclusions. nobody from the left of the guardian, right through to the daily mail on the right believes the proposals lord le the sun put forward a re proposals lord le the sun put forward are worth accepting. but tells us something very interesting. you think it could lead to more... it is out of date and it is the problem on how the internet treat the news. do you think that as a result of the criminal prosecutions of various public officials, members of various public officials, members of the police service and journalists, that actually the media and the police have made significant changes to the way they operate?” don't really know about that, but what i am sure of, is that they haven't really got to the bottom of this. leveson one didn't get to the bottom of the relationship between the press and the police, i am quite sure of that. do you think leveson two would? i think the police have been seriously compromised at a high level why their interaction with journalists in the past. this has not been examined properly. we will find out what theresa may is going to do in the next few weeks. thank you both very much. the metropolitan police told us it was working closely with the home office and daniel morgan independent panel on what is an exceptionally complex process. it added that the panel have had access to over one million pages of information. coming up... we've been told to run and escape from a terrorist attack. now experts want us to learn basic first aid and help the injured. we will talk more about that later. janet jackson has given we will talk more about that later. janetjackson has given birth we will talk more about that later. janet jackson has given birth to we will talk more about that later. janetjackson has given birth to her first child at the age of 50. # let's work together to improve our way of life will stop. # you've got one life to live, whose right, who's wrong? # that's the way love goes. # that's the way love goes. # 0h, # that's the way love goes. # oh, baby. # oh, baby. # any time your world is crazy. # any time your world is crazy. # all you have to do is call me. # come back to me... # come back to me... # come back to me... # come back to me. # come back to me. # lord knows, that i have tried. in april last year, she announced her pregnancy. my husband and i, my husband and i are planning a family soiam husband and i are planning a family so i am going to have to delay the tour. please try and understand it is important i do this now. i have di resta, doctor's orders. buti have not forgotten about you. i will continue the tour as soon as i possibly can. her birth is reported to have been "stress free" and "healthy" — so what's it like being a mum at 50? you had your daughter at 51, tell us about the reaction from people when you had a baby at nearly 51. about the reaction from people when you had a baby at nearly 51m about the reaction from people when you had a baby at nearly 51. it was universally thrilled for me. nobody raised their eyebrows and said, how old will you be on the school run?” did not notice any negative reaction until i wrote about it in the guardian. then there were lots of very miserable people who expressed themselves rather horribly. in the comments section. give us a flavour, without giving them too much publicity. there was some miserable 20—something who probably never did anything other than have children, who said, this is distorting, revolting, etc. but for years on, who said, this is distorting, revolting, etc. but foryears on, i have forgotten all of them. it is the most wonderful thing, the most magical thing i have ever done. slightly grumpy for your rod running around behind me, she says she does not want to be on television, so we may have to coax her out, so you can meet sadie. i don't blame her, to be honest. tell us how you managed to become pregnant. thanks to miracles of ivf. did you have a number of attem pts of ivf. did you have a number of attempts before a successful pregnancy? yes, sadie was the last roll of the dice. i honestly had rolled out —— ruled out the enterprise as a financial scam. there were two macro financial —— frozen embryos at their clinic in barcelona, and they had extended the deadline by three months. they allowed me to go up to the age of 51, andi allowed me to go up to the age of 51, and i hadjust allowed me to go up to the age of 51, and i had just passed 51, so i did not know what got me to book that last flight to barcelona, but i am glad that i did. we can speak to sue tollefsen who became britain's oldest first—time mum when she gave birth to her only child freya in march 2008. iam i am sorry, it is sarah. you gave birth at the age of 50. how are you? quite a lot of people would expect it to be more tiring to be a mother for the first time at 50, is that true or not? i don't find that it is true. i try to stay fit and active. it depends a lot on your attitude. if you think you can do it, you can. tell us about your circumstances leading to your pregnancy.” tell us about your circumstances leading to your pregnancy. i spent many years trying to get pregnant, almost six. i met my husband later on in life. in the end, i did it in spain with a donor egg, but we had many attempts, there were many failed attempts. describe yourjoy when finally there is a successful pregnancy after a number of attempts. it is indescribable. i will ask you to describe it, i am sorry! disbelief, happiness, iwas ecstatic. at the same time cautiously optimistic, because i knew getting pregnant was not the whole story, i needed to stay pregnant. when andre was born and came into the world healthy, i was over the moon. you will not want to give any advice forjanet jackson, but i will ask you anyway, what would you say to somebody giving birth at 50? enjoyed it. follow your own path. have fun and enjoy every second. naomi, cani have fun and enjoy every second. naomi, can i ask you the same question? you are going to get a lot of unsolicited advice. ignore whatever you want to ignore. trust your instincts. this is going to be the one thing... nobody tells a childless person how much fun it is. it is exhausting, but it is a lot of fun. iam it is exhausting, but it is a lot of fun. i am surejoe jackson has the money to pay for a lot of help. the advice i would give her is to spend as much time as she can with her son, because it is the most wonderful, interesting thing you will ever do. what is sadie bashing in the background ? will ever do. what is sadie bashing in the background? she has turned a toy on. that is a screen that says, no way am i doing what you want at this moment! she is very much her own person! just before christmas, we were telling you what was happening in the besieged syrian city of eastern aleppo on a daily basis — at the time people were living under daily bomb attacks and waiting for news of a potential evacuation. but after the fragile government ceasefire, news from aleppo has been quiet. so what is happening? we'll speak to people who've left shortly — but first here's a reminder of the events in aleppo. the situation inside of aleppo is the doomsday. every day dozens of people are dying, that's continuously. i might die just now, whilst speaking to you. the situation now is getting horrifically intensified. one and a half hours... we can already hear the shelling. no one can imagine what happened inside aleppo, because it's a madness. we hope to have a ceasefire soon because those people now are dying here. they cannot go, they cannot leave. it's catastrophe, the situation, it's a real catastrophe. zouhir, are you comfortable with continuing to talk to us, or do you need to move? i can't move anywhere else, there's nowhere else is safe here in the whole east. this is a shame on the world, because it is 2016 and people are getting burned to death, and suffocated to death, and starving to death. let's talk now to our correspondent lina sinjab in beirut. we are speaking now to the freelance journalist we spoke to before christmas. you got out on the 19th of december, what were the last few days like? we were evacuated, the last day was horrible. even though there was no shelling. people were executed and we re shelling. people were executed and were taken as hostages. it was chaos, people were covering in one area. there was no organisation from the red crescent or the red cross, they were struggling to organise the mob. people were waiting to get the bus. it was quite bad. we were waiting for quite a long time, it was freezing, and even after we got the bus, hours of waiting, we waited for another 12 or 13 hours on the buses. there were negotiations with the russian and a radiant militias about evacuating the injured people. they were compromising about us leaving. after struggling for a long day, we have our life back. you still in touch with people who are still in touch with people who are still in touch with people who are still in eastern aleppo? if so, what are they saying see you? yes, there are people who were brought back to their home. many of them were scared to be back in the east, but quite a few of them have gone onto the street. the regime have raided the houses, they have taken every piece of furniture, every machine. if it was the owner himself, they would take him out. they would take everything. and beating them as well. people were taken and arrested in the east and west. until the age of 50, they were arrested because of their relationship with the opposition, activists or relatives. it was for the regime forces and militias to take anyone. taking them and putting them injail. it was chaos. which thank you for talking to us. if it is ok, we will come back to you for states. he is now in idlib, having been evacuated from eastern aleppo just before christmas. it is coming up to 10am and we will have the latest news and sport, but before that we will have the weather with carol. it is going to turn colder, widespread frost away from the coast and the fact it is cold today indicate we have clearer skies and some sunshine. we also have this weather from moving steadily south and westwards in the direction of the surplus producing thick cloud and spots of rain. cold air is feeding in. it will continue to feed in behind it. the other thing we have today is strong wind coming down this north sea coastline. if you are exposed to that it will feel cold and it will generate some large waves. wintry showers getting in behind aberdeenshire, shetland in particular but some rain showers getting in across parts of norfolk. for the rest of us, as the weather front continues to drift towards the south—west, a fair bit of cloud, patchy rain and maybe drizzle. but even so it will break here and there are allowing sunny spells. sunshine across parts of east anglia along with the showers and as we had further north across further england —— northern england. in the far north east we will see the wintry showers but they will be hit and miss. it will brighten up nicely across southern parts of northern ireland as we go through the day. it is the same to south wales, the brightness streaming in across the north as the weather front continues into pa rt of north as the weather front continues into part of the midlands and also down into the south—west england. here too, some patchy rain. under those clear skies in the evening that bridges will drop rapidly. by night, there is a lot of blue on the charts. in towns and cities, those are the times of temperature values. in ruralareas, are the times of temperature values. in rural areas, we're looking at temperatures as low as minus six and possibly minus seven. widespread frost away from the coast first thing tomorrow morning. the remnants of the weather front affecting surplus tingling, temperature and northern ireland. but for the rest of us, a cold day and a crisp and sunny of us, a cold day and a crisp and sunny one. of us, a cold day and a crisp and sunny one. but later on the next set of other fronts waiting will come m, of other fronts waiting will come in, moving in from the heading steadily down to the south—east. ahead of them there will be some frost and more fog around. here comes the rain steadily southwards, winds around it and then a return to brighter conditions, but nonetheless there will still be some showers around. starting to turn milderfrom the north as we go of the day, u nless the north as we go of the day, unless you are in norwich, where it will still be chilly. it leads us into a will still be chilly. it leads us intoa mild will still be chilly. it leads us into a mild and settled weekend as well. hello, i'm victoria derbyshire. this morning: how britain's outgoing ambassador to the eu describes the government's brexit strategy. also today: sirens this programme has discovered that some staff at a private ambulance company have had as little as one hour's training to drive under blue lights. he didn't tell me what to do or anything like that. hejust he didn't tell me what to do or anything like that. he just gave he didn't tell me what to do or anything like that. hejust gave me everything, said put the blue lights on and off you go, sort of thing. that is astonishing. it is astonishing. if you work for a private ambulance company, let us know. and the former cia man who came face—to—face with saddam hussein after he was captured in 2003. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with the latest bbc news. britain's outgoing ambassador to the european union, sir ivan rogers, has strongly criticised the government's preparations for brexit. in his resignation letter, sir ivan urged british colleagues in brussels to challenge "muddled thinking and speak truth to power." the government said he had stood down so a successor could be in place before brexit negotiations started. this programme has learned that former drivers for a private ambulance firm that provides emergency cover for the nhs, say they were given just an hour's training to drive under blue lights. a company based in essex called the ‘private ambulance service‘ is contracted to respond to emergencies during busy times. whistleblowers have also told us that some equipment in the ambulances is in poor condition. the company says the level of training of its staff exceeds the required standards. i never had any induction overtraining. just send out. no induction overtraining? no, it was clear i was working with people, not through their own faults, not trained, and not confident with dealing with situations. coming across what we call running calls, so across what we call running calls, so you across what we call running calls, so you come across a across what we call running calls, so you come across a patient. few staff did know how to respond. the rail union aslef says that a planned six—day strike by drivers on southern railway from next monday has been cut to three days. the network has been plagued by cancellations and delays for months as the two sides wrangle over pay, jobs and conditions. however aslef also said this morning that there‘s still a likelihood of further action. an israeli military court has convicted a soldier of manslaughter for killing a wounded palestinian who had stabbed another soldier. a final verdict is due shortly. sergeant elor azaria, who‘s now 20, shot abdul fatah al—sharif while he was apparently incapacitated in the west bank last march. it happened during a wave of palestinian knife attacks. sharif and another palestinian had stabbed and wounded an israeli soldier in hebron before troops opened fire, wounding sharif and killing the other attacker. footage shows sharif was then shot dead from a few metres away. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. here is an e—mailfrom the chairman ofa here is an e—mailfrom the chairman of a private ambulance company. he is called jack. he says, i was distressed to hear your piece this morning. we are professional companies, just about all the paramedics and technicians use bikers are ex—trust employees and in the case of some of our bank employees, current trust employees. all our staff are properly trained toa high all our staff are properly trained to a high standard. we have been recognised by all the trusts of reworked for as a high—quality provider. i would urge you to come and visit us, meet our people and see for yourselves how the funding of the trusts directly affects the level of service the trusts are able to provide and how we support their service and have to respond as a result. jeff, thank you very much for the offer. we would like to take you up on that, so we will get in touch. do get in touch with us throughout the morning. use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. here‘s the sport now withjess. chelsea are looking for an historic 14th straight win in the english top—flight, in one season. they play arch rivals tottenham at white hart lane tonight. a win would extend their lead at the top of the table to eight points. if chelsea do win, this is something that hasn‘t happened since top flight football was first played in 1888. there have been a few teams who have managed 1a wins on the bounce. arsenal, being one of them. but their run spanned two seasons — 2001—02 and the following year. 50 years before that, preston north end did it in the second tier. they went on to win the title. bristol city did it in the second division way back in 1905 — they only conceded one goal all season. and the season before, also in the second division, manchester united put together 1a wins in a row, but remarkably only finished third, and missed out on promotion. so can tottenham stop chelsea joining them tonight? i think there is a bit of extra spice on this. what happened at sta mford spice on this. what happened at stamford bridge at the end of last season. chelsea remaining tottenham‘s chances of winning the premier league. but chelsea beat them earlier this season. tottenham will want to spoil the party. it is not often a lot of revenge in football because time moves on in football because time moves on in football and players change but these are the same set of players and tottenham will be desperate to stop them getting the record. there was a remarkable comeback from arsenal last night, who scored three goals in the last 20 minutes, to earn a 3—3 draw at bournemouth. eddie howe‘s side were in complete control as they led 3—0, ryan fraser scoring their third goal. but arsenal fought back, and a stoppage—time header from olivier giroud completed the turnaround. just watch the celebration. he is very nimble on his feet. mike phelan is the latest premier league manager to be sacked, with hull city bottom of the premier league. phelan replaced steve bruce on a temporary basis before the start of the season, and was appointed permanently in october. despite winning their opening two league games in august, hull have won just once since. and there‘s lots of british tennis action this morning. kyle edmund is through to the quarterfinal of the brisbane international. naomi broady here has been knocked out of the auckland classic, the hopman cup team lost in perth to france, but more positively kyle edmund is through to the quarter final of the brisbane open. england rugby union head coach eddiejones says dylan hartley will captain england during the six nations, so long as he proves his fitness. hartley is currently serving a suspension after being sent off for club side northampton. his six week ban will end before england play france early next month. dyla n dylan is doing everything he can, has worked hard and to get into the england side is to be very fit. not playing games means he has got to undergo an unbelievably stringent fitness programme over the next five or six weeks. he is doing that and putting himself in the best putting it -- putting himself in the best putting it —— position to continue as captain. that is all the sport. up until yesterday the uk‘s ambassador to the eu was a man called sir ivan rogers. but then he resigned, which was a surprise, not least because the uk starts its talks for exiting the european union after article 50 is triggered, which we know will be by the end of march. and sir ivan, an experienced negotiator, was expected to play a part in that. overnight, an email he wrote to his staff explaining why he‘d stepped down, referred to "muddled thinking". it also spoke of "ill—founded arguments". and he urged his staff to "speak truth to power", which sort of implies that the advice he‘d been giving to downing street had fallen on deaf ears. so what does all this mean for brexit negotiations? let‘s speak to our guests. did he jump, or was let‘s speak to our guests. did he jump, orwas he let‘s speak to our guests. did he jump, or was he pushed? having had the chance to read the e—mail you referred to overnight, a man who has beenin referred to overnight, a man who has been in this game for a very long time, understands what will be most useful and helpful for the prime minister as she triggers article 50 and has a two—year negotiation process , and has a two—year negotiation process, is to have someone in place for that cycle. he was due to retire in october, and his number two said she would be leaving the team to work for the welsh government. he has seen that looking forward the best thing theresa may could have at her disposal for these discussions isa her disposal for these discussions is a full team who will be there for the duration. wasn't he expected to haveis the duration. wasn't he expected to have is contract extended? i‘m not sure that is the right terminology for the diplomatic service! the view was, he had been in post for a while and he had planned to have, whether he is retiring going back into the private sector, i have no idea. but his message is clear he wanted to see a team in place that would be able to drive forward, a complex and detailed discussion over the next two. jenny chapman, according to anne marie, it was a very sensible decision and he took it in advance of his retirement so theresa may could get the full team in place? that isn't what he said. he made it very clear in his e—mail that he is deeply troubled by the way the negotiation look as though they may be carried out. he could not have been more straightforward really. quite transparent in his e—mail. muddled thinking, he thinks the government doesn't have a plan and now we find the government doesn't have a plan and it has more or less experienced well—connected person to help britain get what needs out of brexit. it is bad news. the whole situation is deeply worrying.” disagree with jenny. situation is deeply worrying.” disagree withjenny. the start of his letter is very clear, the departure of his number two does fit will having a faulty. he was watching and hoping that when he was leading discussions with david cameron in february, to get is a good deal. i was hopeful that there was a good deal, we wouldn‘t need to leave because we would have a new relationship. but failed. what he highlighted in his letter, whitehall really hadn‘t driven forwards. i was shocked when we got to the other side of brexit, whitehall hadn‘t prepared for what was a 50—50 chance of out or in, whitehall assumed the british people would stay in. that was very muddled thinking in whitehall and he has tried and then decided a new team need to take that on. i was not surprised by those words, but they reflect the whitehall view that now needs to change, civil servants need and are coming together would theresa may‘s new departments. jenny chapman, do you think the muddled thinking was referring to civil servants or the prime minister and those around her? you cannotjust you cannot just say whitehall had to prepare for the possibility of a vote to leave. the government should have required the civil service to do that. there was a long lead—in into the referendum, it had ample opportunity to do that, and the government failed to pre—empt this outcome. it is negligent on the government. what we have now is a task that we must undertake seriously and carefully, and we need our best negotiators to do this. everybody who has had anything to do with simon rogers, including george osborne, has been incredibly, commentary about his skills, experience and networks. that would have had a huge impact. we have now lost that, but we need to move forward , lost that, but we need to move forward, and the government have to be much better in the way that it approaches brexit. we should be much further forward by now, we should have much more clarity. british people are getting a bit fed up with the lack of information. this is another case of the government not dealing with brexit as well as it should. this programme has discovered that some staff at a private ambulance company have had as little as one hour‘s training to drive under blue lights. nhs trusts are increasingly using companies and charities to respond to emergency calls when they don‘t have available crews themselves. the private ambulance company, based in basildon in essex, has a contract to respond to 999 calls for the nhs ambulance trust in the east of england, as well as emergency transport between some hospitals. whistle blowers have told this programme about a lack of training, dirty conditions in the vehicles and inappropriate equipment. the company denies the allegations, and says all its staff have appropriate qualifications. here‘s a short extract from our reporterjames melley‘s investigation. when we dial 999 for an emergency, most people expect nhs ambulances and their highly—trained crews to respond, but increasingly, as nhs trusts struggle to meet demand, private companies are stepping in to take their place. one of these companies is the private ambulance service, which is based in basildon, in essex. it carries out work like taking patients to hospital appointments, transferring sick people between hospitals, and it also provides cover for 999 calls for the east of england nhs ambulance trust. but whistle—blowers have told us staff aren‘t properly trained, and the equipment they use is not up to scratch. we‘ve spoken to several people that work or have worked for the private ambulance service. "paul" would only speak to us if we disguised his identity. he worked for pas as a medic, but lost his job last year. what was it like when you started working there? surprising, i never had any induction or training. pretty much just sent out and that was it. so you had no induction, no training? no. it was quite clear that i was working with people that, not through their own fault, that weren‘t trained. they weren‘t competent in the job, and they certainly weren‘t confident in dealing with situations. in particular, on the ambulance side, coming across what we call running calls, so you come across a patient, quite a few staff didn‘t know how to respond. didn‘t know how to take simple things like blood sugars, ecgs, didn‘t know how to do manual blood pressures. basic, basic stuff, really. we started to hear more disturbing stories about a lack of basic training for staff at the private ambulance service. dan duke worked at the company in patient transport until 2013, when he was sacked. thejob could require him to drive under blue lights when taking an emergency patient between different hospitals. what training were you actually given in order to drive under blue lights? an hour‘s training. that was it. one hour‘s training? one hour‘s training on blue lights, that‘s it. i think that‘s astonishing. it is astonishing. so, what is an acceptable level of training to drive under blue lights? in your opinion, would it be possible to train somebody to drive under blue lights with an hour, a day of training? no. the fact that our whole course is four weeks long, and the first two weeks are the foundation, if you like, to actually move on to doing blue light training and then that training takes two weeks... we just couldn‘t, as an ambulance service trust, sanction anything really like that, no. we approached the private ambulance service for an interview. they declined, and told us... the nhs east of england ambulance service, which uses the private ambulance service to provide coverfor emergency calls, told us... we asked the private ambulance service to talk to us today about those claims. they turned us down. but in a statement they told us they do not accept the nature of the allegations that have been made. and that, "we outsource our blue—light driver training to an approved training organisation used by the nhs. we started using our current provider in january 2016. all staff receive induction training and full training where necessary." your experiences of private ambulances welcome as always. we can speak now to alan howson, executive chairman of the independent ambulance association, who represents the private—ambulance industry. also to will broughton, a paramedic and a trustee of the college of paramedics. and heide stone, who worked for the private ambulance service from october 2014 to march 2015 and claims she was inadequately trained by them. what do you think? it is not a cce pta ble what do you think? it is not acceptable that somebody would only have one hour‘s training for blue light work. but at the time that company were doing pts work, this was not 999. .. company were doing pts work, this was not 999... patient transport services, it was not 909 support work. the training is very different. but this was an hour's training for blue light work. blue light work, as defined, it was not that work. he said he was called upon from time to time to deliver patients from one hospital to another, not emergency, dedicated patient. why would you have the blue lights on? you might still have the blue light on to transfer a patient, it might also be an emergency. and that clearly is unacceptable. at the time the programme or three weeks in length, it is now four weeks, and thatis length, it is now four weeks, and that is a national reference programme. these people were not getting three weeks. not by the sound of it, that is not acceptable, and we are not here to defend that. what do you think? i very much ee, what do you think? i very much agree, what has been presented is totally u na cce pta ble. we agree, what has been presented is totally unacceptable. we would expect anybody driving and billiards under emergency conditions to have completed the four week nationally approved programme. which is what the nhs does. and which this company in basildon now do as well, from november 20 16th they brought the four—week training in. november 20 16th they brought the four-week training in. private companies who are subcontracted working into a framework set by the anne boleyn stressed, and that will include reference to clinical training and driver training. they will have to provide records that there staff have been trained and certificated to those levels. jeff, can you hear me? maybe we have lost him. we will try to get him back in a moment. he is the chairman of a private ambulance company in the east of england. he wants to defend the kind of work that these firms do. many of these firms. which you would echo, as boss of the independent ambulance association? one of our members are ventilated and registered with the cqc. —— all of our members. they can have spot inspections, unannounced visits to audit activity. in terms of the rules of training, it is vague. the nhs does four—week training, but it is not compulsory? my understanding is not compulsory? my understanding is it is not yet legally required. but it is required by the nhs trusts that all of their own employees have completed the programme. that all of their own employees have completed the programmem that all of their own employees have completed the programme. it is a broad question, private and villains firms, are they safe? yes. -- private ambulance firms. they are regulated, they held up to the same criteria, so yes, they are safe. would you agree? yes, they are all registered with the cqc. the paramedics working in the independent sector are all registered with the council and they meet their standards of proficiency, any of whom honour those of the couege any of whom honour those of the college of paramedics, and meet their requirements as well. the other claims that we heard from current and former employees were dirty vehicles and inadequate equipment. i know you will say that is unacceptable, but it is going on. dirty vehicles are a fact of life, whether it is the independent sector or the nhs. if they have a bad incident and the vehicle needs a com plete incident and the vehicle needs a complete the clean, it usually is put to one side whilst 18 will address that, while another vehicle is prepared. they are given time at the beginning of their shift to check the vehicle over, to restock, to check the facilities are working. being handed, if your vehicle is dirty, you would clean it if there was no other vehicle available. it isa was no other vehicle available. it is a rare was no other vehicle available. it is a rare occurrence, was no other vehicle available. it is a rare occurrence, and there is a procedure for reporting it. let me read messages. this from somebody who wishes to remain anonymous, i fear reprisals from these people, i ama fear reprisals from these people, i am a former employee of the private ambulance service in basildon, i was a team leader and asked to make checks on the vehicles. most of the crews worked long hours but still had a duty of care to clean the vehicles after use. some were cleaned, some were not. i reported the crew started not clean but nothing came of it. the company floated the rules to the highest degree. agreement that was faulty still got sent out. whitman went missing, leaving vehicles without life—saving it went. debbie says, i worked for this company and i am sorry to say i can back up everything. i left you to getting ill and management would not help with any changes in my hours. phillips says, shocked and appalled that these staff are given a one hour crash course, this surely poses a serious threat to the ordinary road user, who undergoes a rigorous examination before going behind the wheel. we have gotjeff back now. he is on the phone. can you hear us?” can. you run a private company. what did you make about the claims that one hour‘s driver training for driving under the light? it is unusual. ours is three weeks. i don't understand how that can be allowed. the company denied the nature of our allegations. from november they changed the way they train their drivers, they now get the four weeks, which is mirrored across the nhs. tel is about your company and the service you provide. we provide a debate range of services, from blue light and... —— bluelight ambulances to patient transfer services, to a number of trust. what you offer is necessary because... explain why. because the trust do not have enough resources to cope. there are holes in what they can do, which we can fill. cost is strangling the trust. we can put ambulances on the road at between 60 and 70% of their costs, simply because of the massive overhead the nhs has to carry. the couple more e—mails. somebody who wishes to remain anonymous, i have worked in the service for ten years, some private services have better standards that the nhs. robert says, i work for this company and i have successfully completed a three—week intensive qualification to drive on bluelight. if you want to share the film or watch it again, you can go to our programme page. still to come... we speak to the cia analyst who questioned saddam hussein after his capture in 2003. saddam hussein: rude, arrogant and nasty but he could also be charismatic, polite and charming. the 1960‘s mass murderer charles manson has been taken to hospital from high—security prison in california. here‘sjoanna with the bbc news. britain‘s outgoing ambassador to the european union, sir ivan rogers, has strongly criticised the government‘s preparations for brexit. in his resignation letter, sir ivan urged british colleagues in brussels to challenge "muddled thinking and speak truth to power." the government said he had stood down so a successor could be in place before brexit negotiations started. shares in the retailer next dropped 14% this morning after it reported worse—than—expected sales over the festive period. the company said full—price sales fell by 0.4% in the 5a days to christmas eve compared with the previous year. it also said its profits for the year as a whole would be at the bottom end of expectations. an israeli military court has convicted a soldier of manslaughter for killing a wounded palestinian who had stabbed another soldier. a final verdict is due shortly. sergeant elor azaria, who‘s now 20, shot abdul fatah al—sharif while he was apparently incapacitated in the west bank last march. it happened during a wave of palestinian knife attacks. sharif and another palestinian had stabbed and wounded an israeli soldier in hebron before troops opened fire, wounding sharif and killing the other attacker. footage shows sharif was then shot dead from a few metres away. the rail union aslef says that a planned six—day strike by drivers on southern railway from next monday has been cut to three days. the network has been plagued by cancellations and delays for months as the two sides wrangle over pay, jobs and conditions. however aslef also said this morning that there‘s still a likelihood of further action. janetjackson has given birth to her first child at the age of 50. a statement said the musician and her qatari businessman husband wissam al mana were "thrilled" to welcome their son. the singer stopped a world tour last april, telling her fans she was planning a family with her husband. that‘s a summary of the latest news, join me for bbc newsroom live at 11:00. i wasn‘t text thing. i was looking at twitter to get some of your comments, which i will read after the sport. chelsea are chasing an historic 14th straight win in the english top—flight in one season, when they travel to tottenham tonight. a win for the blues would extend their lead at the top of the premier league to eight points. arsenal came back from 3—0 down to draw 3—3 with at bournemouth. olivier giroud scored the equaliser in the 92nd minute, and keeps arsenal fourth in the table. mike phelan has been sacked as manager of hull city. the club are bottom of the premier league, three points from safety. and have won just one league game in their last 18. and there‘s lots of british tennis action this morning. naomi broady, here, has been knocked out of the auckland classic. the hopman cup team lost in perth to france. but more positively, kyle edmund is through to the quarter final of the brisbane international. that is all the sports an hour, but there will be more on the bbc news channel throughout the day. thank you very much. saddam hussein. rude, arrogant and nasty, but he could also be charismatic, polite and charming. those are the words used to describe the former iraqi dictator by the man tasked with interrogating him, days after his capture by us forces in 2003. he was later executed in 2006. and today we can talk tojohn nixon in his first british television interview. he‘s the cia analyst who sat opposite saddam hussein for dozens of hours, questioning him over the supposed location of weapons of mass destruction, the very weapons that intelligence services assured the world iraq had, and provided the premise for forces to invade the country. he joins us now from washington... hello, good morning. people will remember he was found in that small, underground hole near a farm building, when did you come face—to—face with him? building, when did you come face-to-face with him? just a few hours when he came out of the hole. he was brought down to the airport in baghdad and that is when i first met him. what were your first impressions? i was kind of stunned. ijust impressions? i was kind of stunned. i just never thought that, impressions? i was kind of stunned. ijust never thought that, i never thought we were going to find him andi thought we were going to find him and i never thought we were ever going to meet. at first he was a little... he was much more in control of himself than i thought. for a person who had just had his world tipped upside down. he acted like he came here every saturday night and the us military, who were his captors, where his guests and he was hosting them. in terms of what you needed to get out of him, what was youraim? you needed to get out of him, what was your aim? washington had a number of questions that they wanted a nswered number of questions that they wanted answered quite away. i put those to him that first night, but afterwards we sat down for a more informal debriefing process. the number one question was, where was the weapons of mass destruction. that is what washington wanted to know. after that, it was more of a series of other questions that we had in terms of links to various groups, what we re of links to various groups, what were his intentions in the war? the insurgency was also another very important topic and then questions i personally had in terms of having been an expert on him and tried to get at some of the questions we were thinking about when we started. when he asked him where the matter weapons of mass destruction were, what was his reply? he didn't have any, he didn‘t have an ongoing weapons programme and he didn‘t intend to start one. he is the most secretive and suspicious person i have ever met. it is hard to believe him because he is so secretive. you felt like he was holding back on you, felt like he was holding back on you , even felt like he was holding back on you, even when he was telling the truth. i was wary of what he was saying. as we began to check out other things and talk to other members of the nuclear programme, senior officials in the nuclear programme, we began to find that he was actually telling the truth. which is the irony, i suppose. one of many? yes, he was his own worst enemy in that regard. how long did it take you until you are saying to your superiors back in washington, he is telling the truth and there are no weapons of mass destruction? i returned back to washington in january and the irony is, nobody really ca m e january and the irony is, nobody really came to talk to me, except a few officials, sort of mid—level bureaucrats. that is when i said to them, i don‘t think he has them. then i spoke to a few of my collea g u es then i spoke to a few of my colleagues and we sort of huddled together and came to the conclusion. some of these colleagues had a lot more knowledge of the technical aspect of weapons and nuclear material than i did. we all kind of ee, material than i did. we all kind of agree, this was the case. you said you had some of your own personal questions, having been an expert on him, give us a flavour of the questions you have the opportunity to ask him? i was a leadership a nalyst. to ask him? i was a leadership analyst. one of the things we used to do was write profiles on people. i asked him a lot of things about his life and his experiences. it was kind of fascinating to get it from the horses mouth, if you will. so many things i have read from other scholars turned out to be false. even going back to his characterisation of his stepfather, who, i had always been told, mercilessly beat him, not treated and this is why he turned out to be the where he was. i asked him, what was your relationship like? he said, i loved my stepfather. he was the most wonderful man, he made me what iam most wonderful man, he made me what i am today. if it wasn‘t for him, i would never have achieved anything. did you ever feel sorry for him? yes, there was a time we were talking, i don‘t recall what we were talking, i don‘t recall what we were talking about, i remember looking down at his sandals that he was wearing and thinking, you know, you have done terrible things and i don‘t approve of your methods, but this was not for us to come here and ta ke this was not for us to come here and take you out of power. it was for the iraqi people to have chosen to do that. if they couldn‘t do that, maybe it was meant for you to stay in power. i felt maybe it was meant for you to stay in power. ifelt that maybe it was meant for you to stay in power. i felt that this was all wrong. thank you very much for talking to us. thank you for your time this morning. thank you for having me. john nixon, talking to us live from washington. his book ‘debriefing the president‘ is out now. more on the breaking news that a six—day strike by drivers on southern rail has been cut to three days. richard wescott is here. why? don‘t get too excited. my suspicion is they were just announced those days further down the line. as i understand it, we have spoken to drivers off the record and they are not getting paid for each strike day. so potentially losing six days pay in january after christmas is not a great thing for any union to do to its members. i am not saying thatis do to its members. i am not saying that is the reason, but it could be. it doesn‘t mean there is any breakthrough. informal talks yesterday, no plans to talk today or in the future. no closer to coming toa in the future. no closer to coming to a solution. i cannot see this ending any time soon. i suspect this is just moving three days further down the line. just remind people what this dispute is over? it is about the role of guards on trains. but the problem is, what will happen here will happen on all rail franchises across the country. it is all about driver only operated trains, already half of services run that way and they want to bring in more. the unions see that as a threat to safety and the threat to their staff as well. this is a line in the sand, because what happens on southern could be repeated all over the country. you suspect cutting it to three days just means they will move three days to a different month, more strikes potentially after that? potentially, there is no rule on how many they can call. as long as they give the statutory notice, which is seven days, they can keep calling strikes. they had a vote and got the mandate. this could go on and on, potentially. thank you, richard. the 1960‘s mass murderer charles manson has been taken to hospital from high—security prison in california. it‘s not yet clear why the 82—year—old — who is serving nine concurrent life sentences — has been hospitalised. manson, a cult leader, sent a group of his indoctrinated followers, known as the family, to the home of heavily pregnant hollywood actress sharon tate to "totally destroy everyone in it". she and four others were stabbed to death. let‘s get more insight into the man and why he‘s so notorious. professor craig jackson is head of psychology at birmingham city university and specialises in mass and serial murders. we don‘t know the reasons for this hospitalisation, but he is 82 and has been injailfor a long time. let‘s go back to the 60s and what he did, what he ordered and the reaction around the world? charles manson is famous for being associated with the sharon tate murders. essentially, he and his calls, his family were convicted for nine murders in 1969. but the pathology of manson goes back much further. he had been in and out of state and federal prisons throughout his adolescence and early 20s for a variety of pimping, using guns for violence and robbery. this was a month up by 32 years of age had spent more than half his life in the federal prison system. he was a very troubled individual before the infamous sharon tate murders occurred. tell us more about the cult and the family? he was a very disordered individual but was able to be charismatic. he had been on the fringes of the californian music scene and was into the free love and drug—taking and dropout society. he tried to write a few pop songs and befriend musicians and people in the entertainment industry. was very frustrated that kind of career never talk. his attempt to rehabilitate himself from his criminal past. he was very himself from his criminal past. he was very deluded, was suffering from severe psychoses. his distance from what we would see as normal life, partially because of his years in prison, from alcohol and drug abuse. his delusions began to take over his life and normality began to be very, very small. he had great believes in the helter—skelter, he seemed to believe that some kind of apocalyptic race war would be coming. that some kind of apocalyptic race warwould be coming. he that some kind of apocalyptic race war would be coming. he wanted his cold to commit a series of crimes that would hopefully in his eyes be blamed on black people, specially on the growing black power movement, which would facilitate the race war that he said would be inevitable. in the event of a terrorist attack in britain we‘re told to run and escape if we can. if we can‘t we should hide and call the emergency services once safe. but now military and security experts want us to go a step further. they want us to learn some basic first aid to help anyone injured. the team have developed an app called citizenaid, which is a step—by—step guide to saving lives if the worst case scenario becomes a reality. we will discuss this more and have a live demonstration of basic first—aid treatment in just a moment. but first, watch this — it‘s a dramatisation of a terror scenario with a gunman. what you will see next is a reconstruction and i should say some of you might find it upsetting — it lasts around 90 seconds. it was filmed on a set developed by ex—sas personnel for medical training. gunfire. quick, quick, come over here. yes, a shooting, there‘s a gunman in the street. three people have been shot. the app says cap the wound and then put pressure on the wound. keep the hand elevated, above the heart. let‘s talk now to brigadier tim hodgetts from the defence medical services and andrew thurgood, a consultant emergency nurse. they both developed the citizenaid app and will be demonstrating some of the potentially life—saving first—aid techniques. richard harding is head of the national counter terrorism security office. and we can also speak to paul dadge, who was on the train behind the edgware road bombing onjuly 7th. he helped victim davinia turrell, holding a mask over her burned face. it was one of the most—widely used images of the aftermath of the bombings. let‘s talk about why this app might be useful in a particular scenario. i cannot imagine getting my phone out in the middle of some kind of attack and looking on an app. you are right, if you are in the heat of having to run away and hide and escape, that is not the time to get it out. we are talking about following the national police guidance, to run, hide and tell. once you are in the safe place, you can then get out the app or the paper version and treat the patient. what kind of injuries are you giving advice about treating? we identify for different scenarios, one is an unexploded bomb, and an exploded bomb, then there is the active shooter and the knife attacker. there are different wind types that you see with gunshot and blast. but in terms of treatment it is about stopping the external bleeding. we know that in terms of avoidable deaths on the battlefield they are often attributed to external bleeding from limbs. but if we empower the bystander, the public, if we give them simple skills that they can apply in the first few minutes, they can save lives. we have demonstrated this statistically, we have had an increasing number of unexpected survivors in recent military campaigns because we have pushed skills and knowledge and simple equipment forforward. the skills and knowledge and simple equipment for forward. the slightly different thing in the civilian setting is you might not have equipment. therefore, it is ok to improvise. we have within the app the opportunity to use equipment if you have it, but if you don‘t, it is still 0k you have it, but if you don‘t, it is still ok to improvise, and we show how you can pack a wind, press into the wind, elevate the bleeding limb, and then move on, using everyday clothing or household items. andrew, helped him show us what you have and how you might be able to improvise ina how you might be able to improvise in a scenario. we have rehearsed this! if you are going to practice a tourniquet, don‘t practice on each other. you can make a very simple limb yourself. two rolled up magazine is inside a rolled up towel, shocked and he tries alike. we don‘t want to produce any harm when you don‘t need the tourniquet. you apply a tourniquet to a real person when they have bleeding that cannot be controlled by any other means. nobody will spend time making that. but tell me again. a couple of magazines inside a towel, shot down a trouser leg. if you practice on yourself, it hurts. it is a key safety message. this is a leg. with a wound, we but start packing it with what is available. use a sock to start. packing, you have to fill the wound, you press hard. if it is a small wound you can press with your fingertips, a small wound you can press with yourfingertips, if it a small wound you can press with your fingertips, if it is a small wound you can press with yourfingertips, if it is bigger with your knuckles or fingertips —— list. that is to stop the blood flowing. you don't let go. if you can, you also elevate it. if packing, pressure and elevation is not enough, and you still have life—threatening reading‘s bleeding, you move to your improvised tourniquet. anti—war demonstrator. you can use a scarf, tie or belt. i have used a belt myself, a couple of yea rs later have used a belt myself, a couple of years later he won a gold medal at the paralympics, so these things do work. you have just tied a scarf around the lake. how tight? not that you will spend much time considering that! we would use a spoon, i will p0p that! we would use a spoon, i will pop it into the knot, tie it nicely in place, the knot holds the spoon in place. if there is not a spoon, scissors, a fork, a screwdriver, any straight device. if you cut in the basement, there is your nozzle.” straight device. if you cut in the basement, there is your nozzle. i am turning the pressure. when the bleeding stops, i don't need to turn anymore. that is useful. we have a tie, a belt, all of those other implements, the sox, what is that? that is another scarf. if the first tourniquet does not stop the bleeding, you put a second just above it and do the same. sometimes, with a big fight, you need a broader band. one tourniquet might not be enough. two side-by-side gives a broader band. you have the experience as a nurse and from the military. paul, you have been in the middle of an attack. how are you? very well. what do you think of this idea? it put into an app the common—sense initiative that many people showed on the 7th ofjuly, notjust people showed on the 7th ofjuly, not just myself but other members of the public. people expect people to panic in that situation, that it was very calm. the ability now to take first aid to another level and have this information will be good. my view is we will face a terrorist attack in the uk, it is only a matter of time, so if people can prepare and look at apps like this, it can only be beneficial. is another terrorist attack inevitable? viewers will be aware that the national threat level is severe, each means an attack is considered highly likely. it has been for a couple of years. you will know from senior colleagues that we have said for some time that it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. we know from our experience both practically and from research that people who are prepared and have a plan have better outcomes. which is why we support the programme. can you tell us how many credible terror threats have been thwarted in the last 12 months?m is on helpful to talk about numbers. but it is true to say that both the police and the security intelligence agencies are working tirelessly to prevent the threat that is presented to the uk. people will be aware of some of those incidents and arrests in the public domain, but there are many more which we are working on a behind—the—scenes which people will behind—the—scenes which people will be unaware of. to give us a little insight, you say it is on helpful to talk about numbers, people would be interested to know how many are being thwarted. is it on a weekly basis, a monthly basis? there are a number of investigations ongoing throughout the country continually. i will not bejohn on numbers, but we are continually vigilant and working to protect the citizens of the uk. the challenge is that at some point something will happen, and it‘s about how we make sure that people are prepared and able to support themselves, but also support ourselves to support communities to recover and manage those incidents as best as they can. is the lone wolf type attack high on a list of your priorities? people will have seen your priorities? people will have seen from recent incidents across the world that there are a number of attack methodologies. those involving individuals who are either tasked or motivated through the internet and elsewhere are a real risk for us, because there is not much intelligence background for us to work on to interdict those attacks. those are clearly a concern for us. we pay vigilance to those kinds of risks and threats. in terms of this app, you can download it. you said there is a paper leaflet as well. where do people get it from? you can get the link from our website. the app is downloadable for free on the standard app stores. there is a small charge for the paper version. thank you for your company today, we are back tomorrow at 9am. have a good day. we have some nice weather on the way today. plenty of sunshine in the forecast. tonight, quite a hard frost on the way, a lot colder than what many of us had this morning. still a bit of cloud around southern areas, but it will break up. it is a nice, bright, crisp day. it will be cold around the eastern coast, quite a strong wind blowing stop that is pretty much it. the light wind inland and clear skies tonight mean that the temperatures will drop away like a stone. the frost developing across the uk. these are the city centre temperatures, it will be a lot colder outside of town, really nippy start to the day tomorrow. through the course of the day, it warms up a bit, more sunshine on the way. it will be a cold day. the temperatures are pretty raw. you will notice some rain in the far north west, that is the rain heading to friday. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11. britain‘s outgoing ambassador to the european union attacks the government‘s approach to brexit, urging colleagues to challenge ‘muddled thinking‘. an israeli military court delivers its verdict in the trial of a soldier who killed a wounded palestinian who had stabbed another soldier. shares in next dive as the retailer reports worse—than—expected festive sales. former drivers for the private ambulance firm that provides emergency nhs cover cd had just one hour blue light training. also, with a terror attack in the uk a severe threat people are being urged to be ready with life—saving skills, a new app offers a step—by—step guide to getting vital first aid for serious injuries.

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