so, i think sometimes the ritual doesn't fit the original composition. so, i try to find ways to give a possibility for the unpredictable nature of music. so, what i did in beethoven's ninth symphony, i hid the chorus in the audiences. nobody saw the choir, "where are they?" and suddenly theyjumped up from the hall. maybe it's next to you there is a tenor, or here's a soprano and theyjump up. and then people had the feeling, "it's us, it's we, the people, who start to sing." and for me, it was a revelation much, much more than in the conventional ritual. that that story sums up a lot of what you try to do, because it seems you you're trying to find a route back to the fun, to the playfulness. i mean, musicians play music, you want them to be playful in a very literal sense.