Listen to an excerpt of the interview with Steve Fiffer TS: To move down the road a little bit... so he went to Western Illinois University, and then he came to Peoria, Illinois to take a job at the Carver Center. And that was really the first time we hear about C.T. Vivian really engaging in nonviolent civil protests, with trying to integrate the lunch counters in Peoria back in the '40s, which I think was kind of it was an uncommon thing at that time. You don't really hear about things like that happening in the '40s too much. Can you talk a little bit about that?