>> alarmed democrats in panic mode after biden appears confused and unfocused and last night's presidential debate. >> we finally beat medicare. >> is right. he beat it to death. >> it was a slow start, there's no question about that, but i thought it was a strong finish. >> what kind of party does that? >>■ç talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the capital and in many cases were ushered in by the police. >> mostly lying and without much fact checking. >> as the debate progressed he got more and more manic. >> just won two club championships. to do that, you have to be quite smart. i didn't have sex with the porn star. >> who wants to vote for the candidate for the debate he said i didn't have sex with the porn star. >> there is a recovery path. it's just going to be very challenging and rocky for the campaign. >> the choice in this election is simple. donald trump will destroy democracy. i will defend it. good evening■ç. once again what a week. i am stephanie ruhle and we are now 130 days away from the election and the biden campaign is trying to reset and recover from the first of eight. remember, biden's team wanted this debate to put trump's campaign on the defensive, but also to highlight his lies and dangerous policies, and those things were on display last night, but they were overshadowed by biden's own performance, which even he admitted was far from his best. there is a lot of reporting about how democrats and donors are sounding the alarm today, and some are even talking about the idea of a different nominee but despite all of that, president biden made a defiant return to the campaign trail earlier today, promising voters that he will win this race. >> i know i'm not a young man. let me state the obvious. well, i know. folks■ç, i don't walk as easy a i used to. i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to, but i know what i do know. i know how to tell the truth. i know. i know right from wrong. i know how to do this job. i know how to get things done. i know, like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up. >> with that, let's bring in our former new york prosecutor charles coleman junior,■ç molly fast, msnbc contributor. tim miller is here and former communications director for jeb bush and writer and comedian sarah cooper. you have definitely seen her videos lip-synching to the one and only donald trump. her memoir, "foolish," is a must read. it is out now and perfect for the summer. we've got a lot to cover. this feels like the longest week in the history of humanity . tim, i wanted to call you and text you last night but at the end of that debate and our coverage, i needed to go to bed. joe biden had a very strong rally today. he looked better than he has looked in months. it was very different from last night. does today's performance in any way, the panic we have seen in the last 18 hours, ■çover the democratic party? >> you wanted to call and text me or hug me last night because i could've used a hug. it doesn't call my panic. it might calm some of the people's panic. i'm sorry to report at the top of the show, i might be the turn in the punch bowl tonight a little bit but here's the thing. i think joe biden was good today on the campaign trail. i think that probably is washed the concerns of some of the base voters, the very politically active democrats who are engaged in this stuff, or on social media and get joe biden's videos and pay attention to his rallies but there are tens of millions of people that saw the debate last night that are not as engaged and he was already struggling with those voters. that was his weakest■ç group. part of the reason they wanted to have that debate was to focus the minds of people to remind them why they hated donald trump and to demonstrate that biden was up for the job and on that count, it was a catastrophe and from the people in my life that are casual observers of politics, like everybody else, the texts weren't just -- they were worse from people who don't pay attention to politics. [ inaudible ] my worst texts were from people that are like what is happening, is he this bad? so can he recover with that? yes, but as jen psaki said in the intro, it's going to be a big task and he's going to have to be much more vigorous and in everybody's face on the campaign trail that he has been in if he's not up for that then another conversation needs to happen.■ç >> molly, donald trump's content, remember, the actual content was important. as expected, it was chock full of lies. over 30 were counted, but is any of that going to break through given president biden's weak performance? >> it was not even lies. it was insane stuff. we had h2o. the winner of this debate was donald trump because no one noticed some of the stuff he was saying. it was crazy stuff and i actually thought it was definitely a lot of questioning, handwringing, anxiety. also, he is so in his right wing media bubble that he gives these little speeches that don't at all relate to the question and because of the way this panel was set up■ç, this debate was moderated, it clearly was an ability for him to just go into a right-wing talking point and not ever come out. >> but malpractice on his part? donald trump has been doing this from the moment he entered politics, and president biden's team agreed to these terms, so for us to say oh my gosh you know, it's malpractice, what is cnn doing? they were doing what they said they would do and the onus was on president biden to counter trumps lies and for the most part, he did not. >> he was tongue-tied■ç and i w watching it as someone who sometimes gets tongue-tied i thought you know, he does have a stutter and this is not the biden any of us hope to see last night and i've seen him pull a rabbit out of the hat and this was not that. >> sarah, what did you make of last night? >> i've got to be honest, i kind of checked out of politics for a while so i had not seen biden speak and a lot of -- long time and i had a lot of trolls on my social media saying how much he deteriorated but from the minute he stepped on the stage and pointed at his podium as if to remind himself where he was going i was worried and when he started speaking, i was shocked. i will be honest, i was shocked. i did not expect that he -- i mean,■ç it's like the train, you're not sure where it's going and even if it was going to get there, you are not sure when. i don't know. with trump you know he's going to lie. you know what is going to say. you know he's going to repeat himself but with biden, it was just my entire body felt like it was shaking because i just had no idea what was going to happen, and not in a good way, not like i can't wait to see what's going to happen. it was kind of like watching a bit of a train wreck but the choice seems to be like in november either you're going to have a president who makes you feel dead but you will be alive or president who makes you feel alive, but you will be dead. >> charles, joe biden has, by all accounts, had some incredibly big policy wins in his presidency over the last 3.5 years, but none of us are going to deny that he had a rough night. ■ç not 24 hours later, the new york times is out with an editorial titled to serve his country, president biden should leave the race. is everyone, including democrats, giving up on him too quickly? it was a bad night, but it was just one bad night. >> listen, stephanie, i am someone who believes you dance with the one who brought you and at the end of the day, this is the candidate who has brought the democratic party to this point at the president and i think you have to have a little faith because truthfully, how do you position someone else to replace him as a candidate to say we believe in you. were going to kick you out after one poor debate, you're ready to let this guy go. the thing about what democrats have been saying all along is that■ç biden's strengths, as yo noted, this is record and accomplishments. if you really believe that then you've got to allow him to continue to push that and be the messenger. you find other ways to get your message out but what you don't do is abandon the person who you claim, he will you have been selling and pushing is responsible for this incredible upturn in america's economy and everything else that the biden administration is that it is done so either you believe in your guy to be the one to push the agenda or to move democrats where they need to be, to keep the country in a good space, or you let him go, but you can't have it both. you can't let him go then all of a sudden try to convince the voting public that you are behind another guy who you still think is a proper choice over donald trump. but i also think this says, which is weird to me, is for everything that democrats have said, there is a fear that we saw not ■çjust with joe biden, but around donald trump and the fact that she, in some weird way, is not going away. whether it's the indictments of the convictions or the investigations, he is the bad villain from a horror movie that will not die, and i think there are people in the democratic base after watching the debate last night who really feel a sense of fear about that, that he continues to remain a viable opponent to joe biden, so i think it's a matter of confident. you've got to be confident in your guy and you can't dump him after one [ inaudible ]. >> will today's freak out by the democratic party, could that be assigned democrats are■ actually the normal, healthy group as opposed to what we've seen with trump in the gop that no matter what he says, no matter what he does, he is their fearless leader and they get behind him no matter what. tim? >> absolutely. the republican party is a crazy cult. donald trump is insane. stubbs tentatively speaking, donald trump gave the worst debate performance in presidential history last night. porn star, defending riders, he couldn't answer a question. the substance of what he said was the craziest and were stuff that's ever been set on a presidential debate stage last night. that said, joe biden could not counter it. the worst performance in history, joe biden did not have any coherent counter to donald trump's points■ç. i'm sorry, it was not one bad night. people have been concerned about joe biden's age for months. people complain, the media talks about it too much and you know, i try not to talk about it every time i'm on but that doesn't mean i'm not concerned about it. like, these determines about joe biden's deterioration between how he presented in 2020 when he beat donald trump handily twice in two debates in last night, is dramatic. we can't pretend like it doesn't exist, and thousand so i think those conversations about joe biden as a sign that the party is healthy and should not be waived away is like a one bad night thing. it doesn't. it is not a one bad night. that's not true. >> molly, we are nearly eight weeks out from democratic convention. is that enough time that if they wanted to change direction on candidates they could ■çpull that off technically? >> yeah, this is a math problem here and what it looks like is if joe biden decides he doesn't want to do this, which he has to be the driver here. he has to say it because otherwise the party will never go along with it he can endorse and then we can go to a broken convention. there are not superdelegates anymore so we really could have a convention where you just have these delegates were a couple hundred delegates. everyone is ranked the same weight, they tend to be biden supporters of biden may have put some of these people in, they may be loyal to him which is really why you need biden to be the driver here, and he probably■ç, i mean in my mind, how this might go is that he would endorse his vice president then she would go to a broker convention and the delegates would vote and while this is not necessarily an ideal scenario, it has happened before. you know, it will likely happen again, and ultimately, it is a decision being made by democrats during a broken convention. there is a historical precedent. >> sarah, we are putting our candidates in the position that it's all about performance so we realize that performing, that is actually donald trump's superpower. it is the one thing is actually really good at. >> yeah, on the one hand i'm kind of excited that we are judging them on their tone for once. we usually just judge women undertone but on the other handç it makes me wish ai could figure out how to make a president because the fact of the matter is, we know what the country wants. we know 70% of the country wants a woman to have the right to choose. why can't we just read that into an air about president and that makes the laws. i don't know. i'm very confused about why we are deciding on a president based on personality and again, like all of these culture wars, but maybe i just don't really understand politics. i mean, i understand it, but i don't like it. >> tim, what is your biggest concern? your face looks distressed tonight so now as biden and the democrats are trying to regroup and team trump wants to capitalize on this, what is your biggest fear? >> i am distressed. my biggest fear is that democrats circle the wagons around joe ■çbiden right now an it doesn't have the capability to make a case against donald trump and to make a case to the undecided american voters out there that he is up for the job. if you look at the polls, people are like oh, let's dismiss the polls. in the same polls in pennsylvania, bob casey, the democrat, is running for senate. joe biden is losing. in wisconsin tammy baldwin is winning, joe biden is losing. why is that? i've been wondering that for months. it's weird that there are that many split ticket voters. we saw the answer last night. like, there is a certain percentage of voters that will be happy to go for a normal democrat that are concerned about joe biden's age. there may be some other issues, maybe inflation or stuff with trump but the main thrust of it, ■çthe main difference betwe joe biden and bob casey as their age so we have to be honest about this, and if joe biden is up for it, he's got to prove it and that is why they have this debate issue. i feel like i've been taking crazy pills like don't be negative it's just one night. the whole point of white joe biden wanted this debate in june is to prove that he was up for it because he knew that was his biggest hurdle and he did the opposite and so we need to grapple with that and maybe that means rallying around joe biden. i will be the first one to do that if it's necessary but before we do that, shouldn't we at least talk about it, you know? should we think about what the other alternatives might be or at least make sure joe biden and his campaign team understands what he's got to do? that ■çis the part frustrating me. >> while the audience grapples with what you've just said, we're going to let them take a breath and get a cocktail. >> i'm sorry. >> a reminder of why elections matter. we're going to break down today's supreme court rulings and the big reveal coming in trumps immunity case on monday. later, how ncaa women's basketball captured the nation's attention. i will share some of my conversations from aspen with two legendary coaches when the 11th hour continues. hes when te 11th hour continues. switch to shopify so you can build it better, scale it faster and sell more. much more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. 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