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MSNBCW The June 18, 2024



so, have you watched the sopranoes? if not hit pause and go watch it and then come back in a couple of weeks and start this again. the first season is 13 episodes long. they obviously -- it's one of the greatest achievements in american drama. certainly in contention for one of the greatest television shows ever made in any country on any subject. in season 1 you have to get through like half the whole season -- i think you have to get to the 7th episode or something before you get anything that seems like it is a backstory on your lead character. so, i mean here is a story about a man in therapy, yes he is a gangster but is he a man in therapy. so you think, right from the very start of the very first episode you are going to get, you now, therapy speak. tell me about your childhood but it's not until seven episodes in to it that we finally see tony as a little kid. in that scene here is young tony, his uncle comes looking for his dad. tony's dad hops in a car and takes off with the uncle. tony himself, the kid ends up missing the school bus and while he is not at school he ends up finding his dad and his uncle and seeing what they were up to. basically sneaks up on them and what he sees is his dad and his uncle just beating this guy up on the street corner. this happens in episode seven. then it's two more seasons, you are all the way into -- into season 3 of the whole series when you get another flash back to tony as a little kid with his dad. this time once again, young tony is not supposed to be there. he has snuck in. his dad goes to collect from a local butcher and the dad not only beats the living daylights of the butcher but he takes a meat cleaver to the guy. it is horrible. it is impossible to watch and young tony, the kid. he sees it. and, yes, it's a gangster tv show and so of course there will be violence but it's also a really, really, really good gangster tv show so it's never that simple. in the show we get these flash backs to give us backstory on our main character but also basically to understand what is wrong with tony. of course, he loved his father. we learn that he inherited his own position in the mafia from his father and built on that position to become a boss himself but then as an adult, as a big tough, mob boss, as our lead character also faints all the time. he has panic attacks and he has done this -- this most ungangster thing and put himself in therapy. what is the matter with mob boss tony? we romanticize gangsters. tony does that it his father basically as an abstraction. in these flash backs which he makes you wait for wait for and wait for ultimately what you get, what young tony sees as a kid, what we sees his dad doing is disgusting. it's gross and it hurts tony to see it. it kind of breaks him. what young tony sees as a kid. what happens in these flash back is not romantic. it's not cool. it's just violence. it's menace. it's unromantic, thuggery. it's not art or sport or anything with any elegance to it. it's just a mess. it's gross. and as the series unspools you come to learn that this is part of why tony is the sad sick that he is and why is he doomed as a character. gangster themed tv and movie violence is something that we are very good at in this country. we all know all the tropes. making business people pay protection to the mob and if they don't pay their protection money the mob guys beat them up and trash their business and maybe even kill them. the mob guys running the card games and the other rackets where the adds are against you but they are that you will get yourself killed if you get in debt to them. and extortion and stealing and prostitution and drug dealing armed robbery. we have all seen it in a million shows. you can create all sorts of romance and drama round it and we do but when it's done right, the violence never goes away and it messes people up in an unsexy, lasting, awful, unromantic way. it makes big tough, you know, mob bosses built like james gandolfini straight up faint which is not cool in so many ways. we're living through an era in our country's political life right now which is not politics and if you want to call it the most romantic possible thing i think you could call it revolutionary just like gangsters a familiar trope we also romaticize revolutions but what we are contending with in politic is a movement that's not doing normal politics and not competing in normal political terms. they are trying to end the american system of government. they are trying to bring about a revolution against the american system of government and against the united states of america and in this story we are the americans. so, yes, you know, being revolution sounds very cool in the abstract just like being gangster sounds cool in the abstract but in the specific what they are actually offering is boring because it's just gross force. it's the end of politics. let's just do it by force because physically we mean it just the way we say we are saying it. we mean it just the way you're hearing it. we're coming for you. >> mr. fbi tough guy why is he wedding -- why does he wet himself on national tv? he is scared because he understands the end is near. so brother, you and all the other people. -- these are to rt orous conversations. don't torture yourself. get out of the country. you're not going to like it your crimes and treason, all of you. go head. go to the independents ends of the earth. >> drive the vermin out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. biden you and your crime family are nothing but trash. >> for joe biden and dr. jill biden, they a lot of feral dogs. it's a family of feral dogs. we are going to have to fumigate the lies of joe biden, the treason of joe biden. after that it's not the tapes. we are coming after the senior members of doj that have prosecuted president trump, jack smith. that's when you come in. you are the vanguard of this revolution. we are going to do what the romans do. we are going to salt the earth around it so there will never be another building. we will rebuild something else. there will be something else that comes up and is rebuilt along the lines that's appropriate. we have to go back to the beginning. we have to go back to russia gate. we have to go back to who did that. we have to go back to the commission. we have to go back to andrew weissman and msnbc and the new york times and all of it. every fbi agent, all the cia, dhs, chris ray, all of them t will be a new day in maga will run things. they are going to know that maga is not only ascendant but in charge. it's very simple. victory or death. >> this isn't, you know, red meat for the base. this is retr ib ution as much as tony's dad was providing protection to the local butcher. this is not a response to anything. what this is just menacx physical threat, right? it's not politics. it's just power. it's just force. they are just promising violence. that is what they are offering in this election. that this is how we should run the country now. we will hunt you down and you will know that we are in power and we're going to get rid of law enforcement. we're going to hunt you down. i mean this is not some random right wing media guy. this is the man who is the campaign manager for donald trump and also the senior white house advise ear to the former president who is now their nominee again. it is -- it's not like is he the only one saying this. this is what they are offering the american public. they love it. they are super excited to be getting done with politics, getting right to the force and violence part of it. >> the next six months will be intense. we need to strap on our, let's see, what do we want to strap on? we're going to strap on our seatbelt. we're going to put on our helmet or your kari lake ball cap. we're going to put on the armor of god. then maybe strap on a glock on the side of us just in case. >> we will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. we will route the fake news media and free america from these villains. >> don't you think for a second he won't unleash hell on his politic allen political enemies. >> once and for all. finish it. this is not politics. a political contest you compete against your fellow citizens with whom you have political disagreements. whoever loses that fair race concedes and then they come back. they have the opportunity to come back in the next election cycle and compete against you again. in real politics nothing is unfinished. you never take power once and for all. your emenies aren't vanguished but they are not trying to win a political contest. they are trying to do away with political contests in the united states of america which might be why they aren't putting much energy in to the normal way of competing. you may have seen this weekend former president went to detroit which of course seems like a normal thing for a political candidate to do, billing big city and went to a black church. he goes to this black church in detroit and his campaign does not take any steps to avoid the pews being filled with white people, with white trump supporters. then on the day, the message of his supposed campaign is that he is trying to appeal to black voters, right? that's the whole point of doing this photograph op. he then goes straight from that venue, stuffed with white people to a conference hosted by this guy who has been in the news for the last few months for saying we made a huge mistake when we passed the civil rights act in the 60s saying that he thinks black people are not qualified to be airline pilots, that he worries if he is on a flight and sees that the pilot is black. who has been posting things like whiteness is great on social media. who has been hosting guests on his podcast to talk about how black people are incapable of advanced intelligence. someone who said mlk, meaning dr. martin luther king jr. was awful. not a good person. so on the day your campaign message is black voters, look at me. going from the black church that's full of white people right to -- right from there to go be with -- to go do an appearance with the mlk was awful and the civil rights act was a mistake guy. if that's how you are running your campaign you are not trying very hard in normal campaign terms. they are not trying very hard in normal campaign terms. they are trying -- they are not trying very hard to compete on normal political appeals. what they are trying to do instead is take power my menacing and chases out of the country anyone who opposes their leader. let -- letta anyone who competes against him. if you are done with politics and you just want to be in charge forever by force then no one can be allowed to contest the leader or to question the leader. importantly nobody can be allowed to offer any alternative source of authority to the leader. so there can't be journalists who know stuff and report it. there can't be opposition politicians. there can't be anyone who runs against him that would mean taking your life in your hands. there can't be law enforcement that does anything independent of what the leader wants. the government has to work for the leader. there's no government providing information and services like we are used to. there's no state. there's just the deep state which is terrible and evil and against the leader and it must be purged, replaced just with people he likes and who do what he wants. the guest cannot have a civil service that has subject matter experts because everybody has to work only for the leader. >> we should be recommending you to be prosecuted. we should be writing a criminal referral because you should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. you belong in prison dr. fauci. >> the trump era in the republican party this is what it's like to be the nation's most esteemed public health official. the nation's top subject matter expert on infectious disease. dr. fauci was the head of the national institute of allergy and infectious disease for 38 years. he has a new book out tomorrow. in that book he say that in the early days of the aids pandemic the aggressive hate mail he got was homophobic, criticizing me for trying to save mostly gay men who brought this upon themselves by their behavior. with ebola he said the hate male was related to the perception that i favored black africans over the health of our country. so that's the kind of hate mail he got in the aids era. in this era, in response to our most recent infectious disease threat n the context of the trump movement on the american political right now the torrent of hate and threat is of a different order and a different size. >> the criminal gang leaders. the big heads of the central banks. phizer head, fauci, all of them that laid to trump. created the disinformation. had the vaccine ready years before they released the virus. they all need to go to prison for the rest of their life. it is the right thing to do that they be executed. i'm not a wimp. i will volunteer. i think it should be public. i will pull the lever. i don't have a blood lust but i don't want people to do work i won't do. >> dr. fauci tells the story of his decades in public service serving seven different presidents, helping lead the response to not only hiv and aids but also to ebola and zika and sars and even the anthrax attacks after 9/11. it's a 450 page book. it comes out tomorrow. it's fascinating. every new crisis is a detective story and a science thriller a political pot boiler all rolled into one. the last hundred pages or so are about the covid crisis and also about serving, trying to handle the covid crisis under the most recent republican president. under donald trump and even though that part of his career in public service is over. he retired in 2022 after serving has president biden's chief medical adviser. though is he out of public service the trump movement and it's members in congress and it's supporters in the media are still going after him as aggressively as ever if not more so. even two years after he left government because he is one of the things they are trying to destroy. one of the things that they need to destroy in their revolution war against the american system of government. it is not that they disagree with him. it is not that they misunderstood. it is that he represents expe rt ise. authority. earned by experience. the way we -- we sort of shorthand that is he is a person who knows what he is talking about. that of course is toxic for their political project. that cannot be allowed to stand. so he is still in the bullseye for them even now. >> i would love to see him put in jail. i would love to see him financially suffer. >> you say he lied to congress and should be arrested. isn't that going a little far? >> i don't know i said that he should be arrested but i like the idea. >> they are still going after him even now. this is from the book this is from august of 2020. says i had been absent from work for a few days because i had a polyp removed from a vocal cord. it was about 10:30 a.m. when i picked a letter. it had a jacksonville, florida return address t was type written in an unusual font but looked like the fan mail i got every day. most of the time people asked me to sign a baseball card. sometimesthey told me they hated me. i hoped the top of the envelope and took out a single sheet of paper. as i unfolded it fine white powder shot up from the paper and drifted down onto my face, my tie, my shirt, my hands. my pants, my desk and my chair. i instantly feared anthrax or worse. i shouted to my assistant, kim do not come into my office. go get george and brett my security detail down the hall. they sprinted to the door of my office yelling don't move, stay where you are. don't come out. you will contaminate everything else. following their instructions i put the letter engineer into a bag. george called the nih hazmat team who came to my office in their space suits. they had me remove all of my clothes and they sprayed me down with chemical foam. i thought this is insane. there i was standing naked being sprayed down by guys in space suits. my fate hinged on a call giving me a preliminary analysis of the powder. there were three possibilities, a hoax and a harmless powder, anthrax and i would require four weeks of the ant ib iotic or it was ricin. ricin is lethal when injected orrin hailed. christine, and our daughters were terrified that i might die. jeny was also furious which was also a reflection of her fear and concern for me. they dreaded that i might say i was starting to feel sick. i felt like a complete idiot for opening a suspicious letter. my mother died at age 56. my father at 97. at age 79 myself i lived a long, full, happy life of achievement. my legal papers were in order because they are always in order. as a doctor i have held the hands of many as they died. i do not fear death. i was not ready to leave this earth yet. not by a long shot. should go without saying should not be something that happens in the life of a public servant, of a public health official. here we are. 1.2million americans have died from covid. his book explains the government's response, the challenge of dealing with a literally novel coronavirus, something new, learning as we go. he also tells the story of trying to build a government response with a president who literally did not understand what was going in fundamental ways, who told him for example, that he didn't understand why he would get a flu shot if he did not have the flu as if he did not understand the difference between a treatment and a vaccine. a president who asked why the flu vaccine couldn't just be used to prevent covid as if he didn't understand that diseases and viruses different. a president who believed a fox news host when she told him that there was a secret miracle cure for covid a president who didn't understand how studies disproving that had any more truth than someone he saw on the news. and it got worse from there. this is also from his book. i attended a task force briefing -- at the department of homeland security. bryan explained two study that showed how sunlight and humidity could kill the virus and substances could be used effectively to clean nonporous surfaces. the following day he briefed the president on these studies. he then joined the president on the podium in the briefing room. the result was the press conference where trump appeared to endorse using bleach as a way to san clean lungs covid. then said where it knocks it out in a minute. one minute and is it there way a we can do something like that by injection inside or a cleaning? because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a number on the lungs so it would be interesting to check that. he said i was not at that day's press briefing but i thought oh my god. poor deb being on stage. she must have been horrified and it would have been difficult for her to go against the commander in chief. sitting in front of the television i knew we would have people who heard that from the press and would then go head and try it. my phone immediately exploded with texts and calls asking me to comment. i instantly realized i and other scientists had to counter this message to keep americans taking bleach which could literally kill them. he is in the bulls eye of the trump movement to this day. as they seek to return to power. he is in the bulls eye of the trump movement even after leaving the government and it is not because of covid or the controversial and difficult decisions of this most recent epidemic threat that he helped the country face down. he has faced down plenty of those in his years at nih. what he is facing now is a political movement that cannot abide public health experts at all because it cannot abide experience at all because that competes with the truths that are spouted from the head of the leader. it is a movement that cannot abide

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