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Question, we heard joe bidens answer this week. We heard him try to thread the needle and to say i support the right to his will protest but that doesnt mean that it is a license for chaos. History is at our doorstep as always. Susan glasser, thank you for your time this friday evening. That is original for tonight. Now it is time for the last word with Lawrence Odonnell, special friday Night Edition. Friday Night Edition after a friday in the courthouse. I will be joined by my Courthouse Posse this week. Andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, lisa rubin, all in the courthouse with me this week. Did you guys break for lunch together . I have pictures of lunch together, which can only be shared privately. Alex, the heroes in that building or the Court Officers. They are running an amazing process to get people in, to get them out, to control the setting in a way that it has never had to be controlled before because of course of the secret Service Protection for a former president. No group of Court Officers has ever had to deal with a former president and a secret Service Detail with a criminal defendant. That has never happened. And, there are tensions created by that, which they handle beautifully. I just have to say. We have all been raving about it. The strange tensions between Lawrence Odonnell and donald trump in the courtroom. There was a little bit, yesterday, there was. Today, different story. I will tell that story. Stay tuned. I will be watching. Have a great show. To begin with that story, i guess because donald trump does apparently whatever i tell him to do, he did not glare at me again in the courtroom today after i described Donald Trumps weird and childish attempt to i guess intimidate me by throwing his angry glare at me when he was leaving the courtroom yesterday. I said right here on the program last night that it was a mistake for him to do that. I said that his apparently useless handyman, who hangs out in the first roe of the courtroom on the defense side, should have told donald trump not to make a big deal out of that Lawrence Odonnell die being in the courtroom today, meaning yesterday. Donald trump shouldnt have given me that pleasure. He shouldnt have done that in such a goofy and public way that Maggie Haberman at the New York Times felt compelled to write it right away on the live update of the trail. No one had seen donald trump to anything like that. After that item made a little bit of stir on social media yesterday, we have a right to assume that donald trump, as i know he has done many times in the past, tuned in to this show at 10 00 last night to see what i would say about that incident. And, unfortunately, he took my advice. The advice that boris should have given him yesterday. Today, even though i was sitting in an even more prominent position on the aisle in the middle of the courtroom where donald trump couldnt possibly miss me every time he walked past me in and out of the courtroom today, he did everything he could possibly do to not look at me. I know he knows where i was sitting because it was way too obvious and i was giving him my look straight up at him. I know i was within his peripheral vision because whenever his peripheral vision got close, he immediately twisted it away in the other direction. He made sure that his eyes never met my eyes. He just wasnt going to give me that gift again. Other reporters in the room, including reporters i dont know, noticed it. Noticed his conscious choice not to do that, especially after yesterday because it was so obvious that he made such an effort yesterday to look at me that todays effort not looking at me was just as obvious with me sitting there looking up at him exactly the same way that i did yesterday. To him, im sure it looked like i was gloating. Probably the way he interpreted it. A couple of reporters told me after todays session he was afraid to look at you today. I dont think he was afraid. I think he just got good advice. Right here at 10 00 p. M. Last night. Todays courtroom was a tale of two young women describing their work in government. One described her dedication to a difficult job done honorably under intense pressure to with highstakes, with the best of motivations and pursuit of an ideal and the other was hope hicks. Hope hicks was preceded on the Witness Stand by a young woman who appeared to be about the same age hope hicks was when she started working for residential candidate donald trump. I wish i could tell you the young womans name because it is a beautiful name that any parent or Fiction Writer would be proud to create. I wont tell you her name because homicidal Trump Supporters are all too eager to threaten the lives of all of us who they despise. They especially like to do that on social media. This young womans job in the District Attorneys Office is to study social media and prepare social medium for use as evidence in criminal trials. That job became the worst job in the District Attorneys Office when a year and a half ago, she was assigned to the investigation of donald trump and had to read as many as 10,000 Social Media Posts, mostly by donald trump but also by Michael Cohen and others involving this case. Imagine having to keep up with in real time, the poison Donald Trumps views on social media every day and having to reach back in time for trump weeks that are relevant to this criminal investigation, as far back as 2016 and beyond. She has saved about 1500 posts on instagram, twitter, truth social, and other sites for the District Attorneys trump evidence file. She testified that she has analyzed about 30 social media accounts in the process. Donald trumps Criminal Defense Lawyers tried to object to her testimony that laid the groundwork for introducing Social Media Posts by donald trump. Her testimony was so technically flawless and so convincing to judge juan merchan that the judge overruled every objection the Trump Lawyers raised to try to block her testimony and blogger introduction of the exhibits. She won. She beat the Trump Lawyers at the game of admitting evidence. She described the elaborate and exacting process she had to go through with each piece of social medium to fit the complex requirements of introducing even a single tweet as an exhibit in court and thanks to her painstaking adherence to those legal rules and requirements, the jury was shown this week by donald trump. I have never said i am a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that im not. I have said and done things i regret the words released today on this more than a decade old video or one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words dont reflect who i am. I said it, i was wrong, and i apologize. October 8, 2016. That was The One And Only time trump has ever apologized in his life. It was immediately after the access Hollywood Tape was released on october 2016 in the last weeks of Donald Trumps first president ial campaign. The thousands of hours of work done by that young Paralegal Assistant in the da office to allow the introduction of exhibits like that paid off today. Her dedication and professionalism was obvious to everyone in the courtroom, especially judge juan merchan. She is the lowest paid person who has spoken in that courtroom. She will never be applauded, never publicly thanked, she doesnt get to fly on private jets like hope hicks did when she started her campaign job or on air force one, like hope hicks did when she worked in the white house. This witness was one of the Unsung Heroes in the machinery of american justice. That is her job. Justice. That is one of the motivators for putting in those long hours. That is the ideal she gets to pursue in her work, justice. The da office does not pay her enough. Tops like that never paid enough. But, she gets to take home more than a paycheck. She gets to take home her pride. Pride. The thing hope hicks sold to donald trump. At 11 23 a. M. , an assistant District Attorney said the people call hope hicks. Dressed in a black suit, she walked past the Defense Table within arms reach of donald trump without ever looking at him and he did not look at her as she walked by. She began her testimony with a bit of biography, saying she was a 2010 graduate of Southern Methodist university, who then began working for the Trump Organization in 2014. She told her first flight about 10 minutes into her testimony. Now, some people will think a lie is too harsh a word for what im about to read to you. It does show what a casual relationship with the truth hope hicks lives by. She described donald trump under oath as a very good multitasker and a very hard worker. He is not and never has been a hard worker. Everyone knows that isnt true. Most of the press corps on the Campaign Trail and in the white house who covered hope hicks easily accepted those lies, lies of that size, from hope hicks all the time without any of those lies diminishing their view of her in any way. She was, on that Witness Stand, as she has always been, the picture of privilege. She laughed out loud in the courtroom at the very idea of donald trump offering her a job. She was unqualified to do. Press secretary for a president ial campaign. That is what privilege looks like. She had never been a Press Secretary for anything. She had no idea how to be a campaign president ial Campaign Press secretary. Like everyone on the Trump Campaign, no Serious Campaign would hire them to do anything. Hope hicks lives on the donald trump side of our politics, where people rant endlessly about attributing things like the failures of Boeing Manufacturing and maintenance of aircraft to some kind of liberal oriented hiring program that gives jobs to unworthy candidates. There has never been a more unworthy candidate for hope hicks job in the president ial campaign or in the white house than hope hicks. She didnt need either one of those jobs. She was born rich in connecticut. She could have tried to do something more worthy with her life, or at least do something that wasnt harmful. But, she chose to help donald trump become president of the United States. That is what she chose to do. That job came with a model. Deny, deny, deny. That is what she wrote in an email when the Trump Campaign team of incompetence was trying to respond to the brilliant reporting at the washington post, which revealed the access Hollywood Video in which donald trump is shown bragging about his favorite method of Sexual Assault. This rock to the Trump Campaign on october 7th, 2016 when he sent an email to hope hicks asking for a comment about the access Hollywood Video, which he came into possession of before the washington post, would publish it. David fahrenthold included a transcript of the video in the email but not the video itself. Did you read mr. Trump that email you received from David Fahrenthold . Answer i read him the email and i have a vague recollection of starting to read the transcript and then he finished reading it himself, i believe. Did you hand him the email for him to read . Yes. That is my recollection. Question, what if anything did he say . He said that that didnt sound like something he would say. And so, on the basis of that lie told to hope hicks by donald trump, that that didnt sound like something he would say, hope hicks told the team that the strategy was denied him a deny, deny. Meaning lie, lie, lie. Hope hicks did a lot of that. Lying, in her testimony. She quoted donald trump lighting to her. Anyone who knows donald trump knows that what he said on the access Hollywood Video does indeed sound like something he would say. Hours later, the video was out there and hope hicks could watch him say it herself. So, the jury Heard Hope Hicks described donald trump lighting directly to her. He said that that didnt sound like something he would say. That was a very harmful line of testimony about donald trump. Injuries are always wondering if this witness is telling the truth, would this person lie to us . Now they know that donald trump lied to hope hicks right there in that line about that video. When that video came out proving donald trump said every word that was in the transcript that was enough for john mccain. Senator mccain turned against donald trump then. That was enough for republican speaker of the house, paul ryan, who canceled a event with donald trump. Republican congressman Jason Chaffetz came on this program for The One And Only time in his life and retracted his endorsement of donald trump In The Name Of his daughters that very night. Republicans were rushing away from donald trump because of what they heard him say and do on that access Hollywood Video but not hope hicks. Not hope hicks. If you dont quit then, when do you quit . Hope hicks answer . Never. Hope hicks was there in washington on the white house Payroll On January 6th making no attempt at all to get donald trump to do the right thing during the attack on the capitol, to stop that attack. What did she do after january 6th . Nothing. She eventually did an interview with the January 6th Committee where she said as little as she possibly could and offered no significant help to the committee. Very little they could even use in their public revelation of their evidence. Compare that to cassidy hutchinson. They both took the same oath of office as white house employees to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. Hope hicks, who had direct access to donald trump whenever she wanted, didnt say a word to donald trump on january 6th. Didnt even try to. Cassidy hutchinson, who did not have direct access to donald trump, was desperately trying to get her boss, mark meadows, the white house chief of staff, to convince donald trump to stop the attack on the capitol. Cassidy hutchinson became the January 6th Committees most important witness. Cassidy hutchinson has been urging americans not to vote for donald trump. Nothing like that from hope hicks, nothing. I have never seen anyone in the white house treated the way the White House Press corps treated hope hicks. Talk about privilege. There is a video of white house reporters kissing her as they are greeting at White House Press briefings. That doesnt happen unless you are hope hicks. She cried. That is the big news of the day out of the courtroom. No one knows why she cried at the very beginning of cross examination. I heard three different theories from reporters on the way out of the courtroom today. You will hear some theories during this hour from people who were in the courtroom with me today and are more perceptive about that. I dont know why she cried. And, i dont care. I know she didnt cry for the 628 children who were held at the southern border in custody by donald trump, who was then unable to find their parents and reunite them. Hope hicks didnt cry for them. And we can be sure that hope hicks has never cried when her motto of deny took hold in the Supreme Court deciding to deny women the right they had for 50 years in this country, longer than hope hicks has been alive. Im sure she didnt cry for that 10yearold girl in ohio who had to leave the state after being raped to receive Abortion Services in indiana. Hope hicks kept working for donald trump to become the president of the United States after she knew that deny, deny, deny, was a lie. A lie she told. Hope hicks watched the access Hollywood Video and thought yes, yes, that is who i want to keep working for tonight. That is who i want to be president of the United States. Im going to continue to work as hard as i can to make that man on that Video Bragging about Sexual Assault become the next president of the United States. That is my mission. That is who hope hicks wanted to be reelected as president of the Lawrence Odonnell<\/a>, special friday Night Edition<\/a>. Friday Night Edition<\/a> after a friday in the courthouse. I will be joined by my Courthouse Posse<\/a> this week. Andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, lisa rubin, all in the courthouse with me this week. Did you guys break for lunch together . I have pictures of lunch together, which can only be shared privately. Alex, the heroes in that building or the Court Officers<\/a>. They are running an amazing process to get people in, to get them out, to control the setting in a way that it has never had to be controlled before because of course of the secret Service Protection<\/a> for a former president. No group of Court Officers<\/a> has ever had to deal with a former president and a secret Service Detail<\/a> with a criminal defendant. That has never happened. And, there are tensions created by that, which they handle beautifully. I just have to say. We have all been raving about it. The strange tensions between Lawrence Odonnell<\/a> and donald trump in the courtroom. There was a little bit, yesterday, there was. Today, different story. I will tell that story. Stay tuned. I will be watching. Have a great show. To begin with that story, i guess because donald trump does apparently whatever i tell him to do, he did not glare at me again in the courtroom today after i described Donald Trumps<\/a> weird and childish attempt to i guess intimidate me by throwing his angry glare at me when he was leaving the courtroom yesterday. I said right here on the program last night that it was a mistake for him to do that. I said that his apparently useless handyman, who hangs out in the first roe of the courtroom on the defense side, should have told donald trump not to make a big deal out of that Lawrence Odonnell<\/a> die being in the courtroom today, meaning yesterday. Donald trump shouldnt have given me that pleasure. He shouldnt have done that in such a goofy and public way that Maggie Haberman<\/a> at the New York Times<\/a> felt compelled to write it right away on the live update of the trail. No one had seen donald trump to anything like that. After that item made a little bit of stir on social media yesterday, we have a right to assume that donald trump, as i know he has done many times in the past, tuned in to this show at 10 00 last night to see what i would say about that incident. And, unfortunately, he took my advice. The advice that boris should have given him yesterday. Today, even though i was sitting in an even more prominent position on the aisle in the middle of the courtroom where donald trump couldnt possibly miss me every time he walked past me in and out of the courtroom today, he did everything he could possibly do to not look at me. I know he knows where i was sitting because it was way too obvious and i was giving him my look straight up at him. I know i was within his peripheral vision because whenever his peripheral vision got close, he immediately twisted it away in the other direction. He made sure that his eyes never met my eyes. He just wasnt going to give me that gift again. Other reporters in the room, including reporters i dont know, noticed it. Noticed his conscious choice not to do that, especially after yesterday because it was so obvious that he made such an effort yesterday to look at me that todays effort not looking at me was just as obvious with me sitting there looking up at him exactly the same way that i did yesterday. To him, im sure it looked like i was gloating. Probably the way he interpreted it. A couple of reporters told me after todays session he was afraid to look at you today. I dont think he was afraid. I think he just got good advice. Right here at 10 00 p. M. Last night. Todays courtroom was a tale of two young women describing their work in government. One described her dedication to a difficult job done honorably under intense pressure to with highstakes, with the best of motivations and pursuit of an ideal and the other was hope hicks. Hope hicks was preceded on the Witness Stand<\/a> by a young woman who appeared to be about the same age hope hicks was when she started working for residential candidate donald trump. I wish i could tell you the young womans name because it is a beautiful name that any parent or Fiction Writer<\/a> would be proud to create. I wont tell you her name because homicidal Trump Supporters<\/a> are all too eager to threaten the lives of all of us who they despise. They especially like to do that on social media. This young womans job in the District Attorneys Office<\/a> is to study social media and prepare social medium for use as evidence in criminal trials. That job became the worst job in the District Attorneys Office<\/a> when a year and a half ago, she was assigned to the investigation of donald trump and had to read as many as 10,000 Social Media Posts<\/a>, mostly by donald trump but also by Michael Cohen<\/a> and others involving this case. Imagine having to keep up with in real time, the poison Donald Trumps<\/a> views on social media every day and having to reach back in time for trump weeks that are relevant to this criminal investigation, as far back as 2016 and beyond. She has saved about 1500 posts on instagram, twitter, truth social, and other sites for the District Attorney<\/a>s trump evidence file. She testified that she has analyzed about 30 social media accounts in the process. Donald trumps Criminal Defense Lawyers<\/a> tried to object to her testimony that laid the groundwork for introducing Social Media Posts<\/a> by donald trump. Her testimony was so technically flawless and so convincing to judge juan merchan that the judge overruled every objection the Trump Lawyers<\/a> raised to try to block her testimony and blogger introduction of the exhibits. She won. She beat the Trump Lawyers<\/a> at the game of admitting evidence. She described the elaborate and exacting process she had to go through with each piece of social medium to fit the complex requirements of introducing even a single tweet as an exhibit in court and thanks to her painstaking adherence to those legal rules and requirements, the jury was shown this week by donald trump. I have never said i am a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that im not. I have said and done things i regret the words released today on this more than a decade old video or one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words dont reflect who i am. I said it, i was wrong, and i apologize. October 8, 2016. That was The One And Only<\/a> time trump has ever apologized in his life. It was immediately after the access Hollywood Tape<\/a> was released on october 2016 in the last weeks of Donald Trumps<\/a> first president ial campaign. The thousands of hours of work done by that young Paralegal Assistant<\/a> in the da office to allow the introduction of exhibits like that paid off today. Her dedication and professionalism was obvious to everyone in the courtroom, especially judge juan merchan. She is the lowest paid person who has spoken in that courtroom. She will never be applauded, never publicly thanked, she doesnt get to fly on private jets like hope hicks did when she started her campaign job or on air force one, like hope hicks did when she worked in the white house. This witness was one of the Unsung Heroes<\/a> in the machinery of american justice. That is her job. Justice. That is one of the motivators for putting in those long hours. That is the ideal she gets to pursue in her work, justice. The da office does not pay her enough. Tops like that never paid enough. But, she gets to take home more than a paycheck. She gets to take home her pride. Pride. The thing hope hicks sold to donald trump. At 11 23 a. M. , an assistant District Attorney<\/a> said the people call hope hicks. Dressed in a black suit, she walked past the Defense Table<\/a> within arms reach of donald trump without ever looking at him and he did not look at her as she walked by. She began her testimony with a bit of biography, saying she was a 2010 graduate of Southern Methodist<\/a> university, who then began working for the Trump Organization<\/a> in 2014. She told her first flight about 10 minutes into her testimony. Now, some people will think a lie is too harsh a word for what im about to read to you. It does show what a casual relationship with the truth hope hicks lives by. She described donald trump under oath as a very good multitasker and a very hard worker. He is not and never has been a hard worker. Everyone knows that isnt true. Most of the press corps on the Campaign Trail<\/a> and in the white house who covered hope hicks easily accepted those lies, lies of that size, from hope hicks all the time without any of those lies diminishing their view of her in any way. She was, on that Witness Stand<\/a>, as she has always been, the picture of privilege. She laughed out loud in the courtroom at the very idea of donald trump offering her a job. She was unqualified to do. Press secretary for a president ial campaign. That is what privilege looks like. She had never been a Press Secretary<\/a> for anything. She had no idea how to be a campaign president ial Campaign Press<\/a> secretary. Like everyone on the Trump Campaign<\/a>, no Serious Campaign<\/a> would hire them to do anything. Hope hicks lives on the donald trump side of our politics, where people rant endlessly about attributing things like the failures of Boeing Manufacturing<\/a> and maintenance of aircraft to some kind of liberal oriented hiring program that gives jobs to unworthy candidates. There has never been a more unworthy candidate for hope hicks job in the president ial campaign or in the white house than hope hicks. She didnt need either one of those jobs. She was born rich in connecticut. She could have tried to do something more worthy with her life, or at least do something that wasnt harmful. But, she chose to help donald trump become president of the United States<\/a>. That is what she chose to do. That job came with a model. Deny, deny, deny. That is what she wrote in an email when the Trump Campaign<\/a> team of incompetence was trying to respond to the brilliant reporting at the washington post, which revealed the access Hollywood Video<\/a> in which donald trump is shown bragging about his favorite method of Sexual Assault<\/a>. This rock to the Trump Campaign<\/a> on october 7th, 2016 when he sent an email to hope hicks asking for a comment about the access Hollywood Video<\/a>, which he came into possession of before the washington post, would publish it. David fahrenthold included a transcript of the video in the email but not the video itself. Did you read mr. Trump that email you received from David Fahrenthold<\/a> . Answer i read him the email and i have a vague recollection of starting to read the transcript and then he finished reading it himself, i believe. Did you hand him the email for him to read . Yes. That is my recollection. Question, what if anything did he say . He said that that didnt sound like something he would say. And so, on the basis of that lie told to hope hicks by donald trump, that that didnt sound like something he would say, hope hicks told the team that the strategy was denied him a deny, deny. Meaning lie, lie, lie. Hope hicks did a lot of that. Lying, in her testimony. She quoted donald trump lighting to her. Anyone who knows donald trump knows that what he said on the access Hollywood Video<\/a> does indeed sound like something he would say. Hours later, the video was out there and hope hicks could watch him say it herself. So, the jury Heard Hope Hicks<\/a> described donald trump lighting directly to her. He said that that didnt sound like something he would say. That was a very harmful line of testimony about donald trump. Injuries are always wondering if this witness is telling the truth, would this person lie to us . Now they know that donald trump lied to hope hicks right there in that line about that video. When that video came out proving donald trump said every word that was in the transcript that was enough for john mccain. Senator mccain turned against donald trump then. That was enough for republican speaker of the house, paul ryan, who canceled a event with donald trump. Republican congressman Jason Chaffetz<\/a> came on this program for The One And Only<\/a> time in his life and retracted his endorsement of donald trump In The Name Of<\/a> his daughters that very night. Republicans were rushing away from donald trump because of what they heard him say and do on that access Hollywood Video<\/a> but not hope hicks. Not hope hicks. If you dont quit then, when do you quit . Hope hicks answer . Never. Hope hicks was there in washington on the white house Payroll On January 6th<\/a> making no attempt at all to get donald trump to do the right thing during the attack on the capitol, to stop that attack. What did she do after january 6th . Nothing. She eventually did an interview with the January 6th Committee<\/a> where she said as little as she possibly could and offered no significant help to the committee. Very little they could even use in their public revelation of their evidence. Compare that to cassidy hutchinson. They both took the same oath of office as white house employees to support and defend the constitution of the United States<\/a> against all enemies foreign and domestic. Hope hicks, who had direct access to donald trump whenever she wanted, didnt say a word to donald trump on january 6th. Didnt even try to. Cassidy hutchinson, who did not have direct access to donald trump, was desperately trying to get her boss, mark meadows, the white house chief of staff, to convince donald trump to stop the attack on the capitol. Cassidy hutchinson became the January 6th Committee<\/a>s most important witness. Cassidy hutchinson has been urging americans not to vote for donald trump. Nothing like that from hope hicks, nothing. I have never seen anyone in the white house treated the way the White House Press<\/a> corps treated hope hicks. Talk about privilege. There is a video of white house reporters kissing her as they are greeting at White House Press<\/a> briefings. That doesnt happen unless you are hope hicks. She cried. That is the big news of the day out of the courtroom. No one knows why she cried at the very beginning of cross examination. I heard three different theories from reporters on the way out of the courtroom today. You will hear some theories during this hour from people who were in the courtroom with me today and are more perceptive about that. I dont know why she cried. And, i dont care. I know she didnt cry for the 628 children who were held at the southern border in custody by donald trump, who was then unable to find their parents and reunite them. Hope hicks didnt cry for them. And we can be sure that hope hicks has never cried when her motto of deny took hold in the Supreme Court<\/a> deciding to deny women the right they had for 50 years in this country, longer than hope hicks has been alive. Im sure she didnt cry for that 10yearold girl in ohio who had to leave the state after being raped to receive Abortion Services<\/a> in indiana. Hope hicks kept working for donald trump to become the president of the United States<\/a> after she knew that deny, deny, deny, was a lie. A lie she told. Hope hicks watched the access Hollywood Video<\/a> and thought yes, yes, that is who i want to keep working for tonight. That is who i want to be president of the United States<\/a>. Im going to continue to work as hard as i can to make that man on that Video Bragging<\/a> about Sexual Assault<\/a> become the next president of the United States<\/a>. That is my mission. That is who hope hicks wanted to be reelected as president of the United States<\/a>. After he recommended Injecting Bleach<\/a> into your veins to your covid19. That is who hope hicks wanted to keep in the white house. We had a monster in the presidency not because of donald trump but because of the people who voted for donald trump and the people who worked for Donald Trumps<\/a> campaign to get him there. You get monsters like Donald Trump Thanks<\/a> to people like hope hicks. People who white house reporters socially just in the White House Press<\/a> briefing room, reporters whose acceptance of donald trump is warmed by the charms of hope hicks. Witness hope hicks got off the Witness Stand<\/a> without being asked the most important question of her life. She wasnt asked that question because it wasnt an important question in this trial. That question is why didnt you quit . Why didnt you quit the president ial campaign in 2016 when it was so obvious to all of us that you were working for a pathological liar and a dangerous person . Why didnt she quit is a much more important question then why did she cry. We will review todays Trial Evidence<\/a> for the rest of the hour with people who were in the courthouse with me this week and saw it all. Andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, lisa reuben and Jonathan Alter<\/a> will join us. Us. Theres toothpaste white, and theres crest 3dwhitestrips white. Whitens like a 400 professional treatment. [pilot] prepare for nonstop smiles. Crest. Nothing dims my light like a migraine. With nurtec odt, i found relief. The only Migraine Medication<\/a> that helps treat and prevent, all in one. To those with migraine, i see you. For the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of Episodic Migraine<\/a> in adults. Dont take if allergic to nurtec odt. Allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. Its time we all shine. 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I want to start by talking a little bit about your time at the Trump Organization<\/a>, if thats okay. Answer, nods yes. Question, i think you said you started around october 2014. Answer, nods yes. Yes. Sorry. Its okay. Your initial title was the director of communications. Answer, yes. That was a position that the Trump Organization<\/a> created to bring you in, right . Answer, yes. Question, i think you said this morning that you focused on real estate, hospitality, and entertainment, that was your portfolio there. Answer yes. Crying. Sorry. Crying. Could i just have a minute . Question. Of course. Answer, sorry. Question. Judge, maybe we could take a break. Judge juan merchan. Ms. Hicks, do you need a break . Answer, yes please. Crying. Leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissman, former fbi General Counsel<\/a> and former chief of the Criminal Division<\/a> of the Eastern District<\/a> of new york, a msnbc legal analyst and coauthor of the the New York Times<\/a> best selling book the trump indictments. Also with us, adam klasfeld, who was in the courtroom today and will be there every day at the trump trial, a fellow at justice security and lisa rubin, who was also at the courthouse today, msnbc legal analyst. Adam, i want to begin with you because among us , having pulled this question, you are the first one to know the crying was happening. You detected it in, something was happening in the silent nonce at the beginning of her answers. That is precisely right. Before the Stage Directions<\/a>, as you called it, the first Stage Directions<\/a> was the nodding in response to a question. You never see that happening very often in trials, you will see the judge instructing the witness to vocalize because the transcript will not record it. It was very, it was very clear that something strange was going on at that time. And, from there, you can see the links of it through the transcript because that was when she started getting emotional. It carried over from the length of that and it was audible. It wasnt just visible. She wiped a tear from her eye. That gives journalists permission to say she was crying rather than getting emotional. It started the questions, why is this happening . Innocuous questions about her cv. Lisa, when did you pick it up . I heard it first. Then my eyes immediately went up from iphone. You are taking notes like i was. I should be clear with our viewers, when i sit in the Overflow Room<\/a> where i can use a phone, i am furiously typing to other folks in nbc news and msnbc organization about what im seeing. I was in the middle of capturing what she had just finished setting on direct, which was blockbuster , when i heard her cry first and then looked up and saw him her breaking down on the stand and was just flummoxed by how quickly she had gone from the table, and she really grew relaxed under the direct examination, how quickly that shifted for her the minute that was over, it was most like it registered with her what she had said and was overcome with what i will call a collision for her between loyalty to a man she still has affection for and the duty to tell the truth in the courtroom at least as she could best remember it. Andrew weissman, im sure youve seen so many witnesses getting emotional for so many reasons in courtrooms. Sometimes, it is inexplicable. Sometimes it is obvious. You are talking about a tragedy that the person lived through and it is incredibly obvious. Sometimes it is this weird cross current of pressure in that room and it surprises the person that it happens to as much as anyone else. I have to say, i had your reaction, which is i didnt really care why she was crying and i think it is too overplayed. I cared about the substance of her testimony and i also thought about how her crying was kind of icing on the cake for the da office are not in any way suggesting that they sought it her testimony was a body blow to the defense here because she put the guilty knowledge of the Hush Money Payments<\/a> and Donald Trumps<\/a> mouth and she recounted that testimony to the jurors. I totally understand your opening about putting her in perspective in the same way one could do with respect to david pecker and you could have done with respect to mr. Davidson. At the trial, in terms of evidence, i was thinking about what she said was devastating and theres no question that her crying would underscore to the jury, my view, that she was not there because she wanted to help the government, that she had all loyalty for the Trump Organization<\/a> and so it was going to make it impossible for the defense to actually say that she was lying to help the government and to hurt donald trump. That is not why you cry. I just thought it was an exclamation to what had just happened in court, which was i think just very much a very difficult witness for the defense to be able to overcome. We are just getting started. We will fit in a quick break right here and be right back with more. With more. With the freestyle libre 3 system know your glucose and where its heading no fingersticks needed. Now the worlds smallest and thinnest sensor sends your Glucose Levels<\/a> directly to your smartphone. Manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. 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I did it my way the prosecutor asked hope hicks about the payment to Stormy Daniels<\/a>. Prosecutor did the idea that mr. Cohen would have made a payment to Stormy Daniels<\/a> out of the kindness of his heart, was that consistent with your interactions with him up to that point . I would say that would be out of character for michael. Prosecutor, why would it be out of character for michael . I didnt know michael to be charitable or selfless. He is the kind of person who seeks credit. Andrew weissman, glenn kirschner, lisa rubin, back with us. That was a pretty important moment. That was a really important moment. It was followed by what i think was an equally important moment, when prosecutor asked hope hicks, did he say anything about the timing of the News Reporting<\/a> . That seemed to refresh your recollection. She said oh yes, he wanted to know how it was playing, meaning how it was playing for the populace and my thoughts and opinion on this story versus having a different kind of story before the campaign had michael not made that payment. I think mr. Trumps opinion was that it was better to be dealing with it now and that it would have been bad to have that story, out before the election. Prosecutor, no further questions. That was devastating. It showed everybody that trump had been through the mental calculus at the time of the election of what would have happened had they not conspired together to pay off Stormy Daniels<\/a>. Adam, hope hicks did a very strong delivery for the District Attorney<\/a> about how big a bomb went off in the Trump Campaign<\/a> when the access Hollywood Video<\/a> came out and how that affected Everything Else<\/a> that followed, including Stormy Daniels<\/a>. There was one moment where she remembered there was a category four hurricane about to hit the u. S. Mainland and then, essentially, said that the access Hollywood Tape<\/a> drowned that out on the news. I wanted to pivot back to something lisa said about that line. That was the final line of the direct examination. No further questions, the prosecutor said. Returning to your point, lawrence, about whether or not the crying is important cosmically, it is the last image in the jurors mind after that statement. Huge and one that prosecutors may return to during Closing Arguments<\/a> and if jurors have a question on their mind, why did hope hicks cry, we will never know from her. It doesnt say it in the record, it does say that she cried in the record and that is evidence. But, they will turn back to the transcript and they may see that devastating line that lisa flagged. An important point. The best view of Hope Hicks On<\/a> that Witness Stand<\/a> is for the jury view. They are so close to her, especially the front end of the jury, so close. Every single seat has a clear, full view of the witness. Andrew weissman, one of the issues is for the prosecution is proving that donald trump, the very important issue, donald trump did in fact reimburse Michael Cohen<\/a> for the 130,000. 00 that Michael Cohen<\/a> delivered to Stormy Daniels<\/a>. No dispute Michael Cohen<\/a> delivered the money to Stormy Daniels<\/a>. The defense wants to create doubt about there being any payment there. But, youve pointed out to us today that there is a very important piece of evidence that hasnt come up yet in the trial about this. Well, you have to remember, obviously, the government has the checks. They have the checks that are signed by donald trump himself. And, one of the reasons hope hicks is so important is she makes it clear that he knew that these were reimbursements of the Michael Cohen<\/a> Hush Money Payments<\/a> but theres more than that. In 2018, so, not that long after this, in a lawsuit brought by Stormy Daniels<\/a> in california, where she was trying to get out of the nda, donald trump repeatedly admitted in filings that he had reimbursed the Michael Cohen<\/a> and Essential Consulting<\/a> for these payments and it is over and over again and then when the court issues its ruling, the court actually says these are admissions by donald trump and Michael Cohen<\/a>, his codefendants. They are codefendants at this point and they are still allies and donald trump has admitted repeatedly that this was reimbursement. I dont exactly know how the defense will deal with that because if you remember, todd blanche, in his opening, said that these were not reimbursements. I dont know how to use it now, sit there and square that with Donald Trumps<\/a> own lawyers in a civil case, which made the exact opposite argument in admission. Those are admissible statements. Those are admissions and so that obviously is going to be a piece, i would suspect, of the das case and it is very, very hard now with hope hicks testimony to see where the defense will go. Lisa, weve seen todd blanche argue the impossible, especially on the gag order arguments. This one, i cant figure out what the card trick will be on this one. Here is donald trump in a lawsuit under oath in effect saying i reimbursed Michael Cohen<\/a> the 130,000. 00. Michael cohen offers a description of how it was reimbursed, including a built in provision for income tax and all that stuff that makes it a different number, a bigger number than 130,000. 00. I dont see how they get around that document. Im not sure they do either. I should add that on top of the civil lawsuit andrea was referring to, there are a series of tweets on may 3rd, 2018 that donald trump offered where he essentially also admits to having repaid Michael Cohen<\/a> for the Nondisclosure Agreement<\/a> with Stormy Daniels<\/a>. He gargles his words and says he does it through a Retainer Agreement<\/a> but i think the da office is capable of saying he was confessing not only to repaving but telling us all how he tried to disguise that repayment at the same time. Heres where i think they are going. I think they will try to say that donald trump was a big multitasker. They came back to that in the cross, he got confused when he was presented with checks to sign. They will say as donald trump did earlier this week, that Michael Cohen<\/a> presented him with invoices for Legal Services<\/a> and is it his fault he signed the checks for those invoices submitted by Michael Cohen<\/a> . They might also present evidence from ellen curtin, who has testified that he understood that they were paying Michael Cohen<\/a> for Legal Services<\/a> in his capacity as trumps personal lawyer, even though there wasnt a Retainer Agreement<\/a>, the invoices werent detailed. You have seen bits and pieces along the way of them getting other witnesses to say its not really that problematic not to have a Retainer Agreement<\/a>, for example. Keith davidson said that on his crossexamination. That is where i think the defense is going. That doesnt mean i think it is good. Adam, hope hicks established that every single trump treat, every social media post, donald trump either writes himself or approves if a staff person writes it, it has to be submitted to donald trump, he approves and sends it. Theres an awful lot of culpability in an awful lot of those tweets. Absolutely. To that point, i think that may be the first time that has been confirmed under oath in a courtroom that the buck stopped with donald trump when it came to his tweets in 2016. Everyone has his signoff and that increases a measure of culpability. And, it goes to David Testimony<\/a> that trump was a micromanager. He was a micromanager with tweets and he was a micromanager with the money is what this evidence is all coming to a Common Thread<\/a> with. Lisa, did i see you at 6 00 a. M. On morning joe this morning . It is coming up on 11 00 p. M. This has to end. Are you trying to get rid of me question everyone you see on this network who has been at the courthouse, they will be down there by 7 30 a. M. At the latest. When you see them here at night after having done that, i am very grateful to them. Andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, lisa rubin, thank you all very much for joining this discussion tonight and this week. 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Jardiance is really swell the little pill with a big story to tell for the best writing coming out of the courtroom, we turn to our next guest, Jonathan Alter<\/a>, who has been at the courthouse every day of the trump trial point last week week he wrote with a jewelers i about his view of the back of Donald Trumps<\/a> had. On the upper left side of the back of his head the meticulously Coiffed Souffli<\/a> and industrialstrength hairspray mostly did their comb back job covering evidence of the truth. But by peeking through peachy strands, i could clearly see the pink as a Baby Apps Bottom Scalp<\/a> beneath. Were talking cue ball here, with not a sprout to be seen. Joining us now is Jonathan Alter<\/a>, a contributing editor for Washington Monthly<\/a> and publisher of the sub stack goats with Jonathan Alter<\/a> point hes an msnbc political analyst. Hes been at the courthouse every day of the trump trial. Have that seat that you wrote that from and i was loaned binoculars because people are using binoculars in their tousey witnesses and things on the screens and through the binoculars i saw exactly what you described, which is of course your least important observation in a courtroom. But youre the only one who could make it and make it so perfectly. Today in that courtroom, we saw these two lives that had come together for what they thought was going to be who knows what but has turned out to be this terrible collision with the law, hope hicks and donald trump raqqa it was kind of an effort to brew today moment, when Julius Caesar<\/a> was being assassinated and he says you, too, brutus. Thats the kind of look that donald trump was giving hope hicks. He had given her her first big job. Shes 26 years old and she has responsibilities. Shes still in her 20s when shes Communications Director<\/a> for a president ial campaign. She stayed loyal to him throughout everything but when it came to choosing between the oath that she took to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and Blind Loyalty<\/a> to her old boss, she chose the truth and those were tears of truth. And i think its kind of an inspiring day and i think if hes convicted it will be remembered in american history, because its not just because the evidence was so overwhelming and damning that she provided. It was because her tears almost watermarked the moment, so to speak. There was a distinguished whitehaired man sitting in the front row, where some lawyers are allowed to sit, right before a Secret Service<\/a> agent, hope hicks attorney. And in questioning the District Attorney<\/a> asked who is paying for your lawyer and she said i am because theres always the possibility in this crowd that donald trump is paying for that lawyer. What are you gathering now after your Fortnite Intaking<\/a> Trial Testimony<\/a> in this case . What does it feel like on this friday night . I just think it was a very big day for the prosecution. For the last several days theyve been amassing evidence that there was this urgency to cohen putting together this company, wiring the funds, all in a 24 hour period, not long before the election. Why the urgency . Because they needed to pay off Stormy Daniels<\/a> before the election and then you also have all this testimony about donald trump saying the womens vote this is after access hollywood, remember . The womens vote is so important that we could lose by five or 10 points because of women. Well that also comes to intent and motive for this alleged crime, this coverup of this activity. And then you have hope hicks today saying that when he says, oh, Michael Cohen<\/a> did this out of the goodness of his heart, and didnt tell anybody about it thats what trump tells hope hicks. Trump tells hope hicks in 2018 and then trump says its better that it comes out now in 2018, then it would have been really bad, he said, if it comes out right before the election. So all of these things, all week, capped by today, they go to this question of intent and motive and if you look at the law thats at issue which well hear in the judge Apps Instructions<\/a> at the end of the trial, intent is extraordinarily important here and so prosecution has done generally a good job. They had some down moments. Keith davidson had some problems with his testimony on his examination, but in general they had been building a narrative that Hope Hicks Reinforced<\/a> today. Jonathan alter, thank you very much for guiding me through the Courtroom Experience<\/a> this week and congratulations on becoming a grandfather for a second time yesterday. Just last night. Two granddaughters. Charlotte altar is our daughter and she just had her second daughter. Fantastic, congratulations. 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