democracy are they themselves enemies of the state. all part of the same plotting. now, trump saidn this kind of odd exchange with fox's sean hannity, who seemed to be push against the idea he would be a dictator, trump said, well, he'd be a dictator only on day one, which breaks his promises and vows to have retribution. liz cheney has been on msnbc and other channels and right here on "the beat." she brings a very important perspective to this, because as many people remember, she was in leadership. she had a front-row seat to them she also took a stand pushing for donald trump's impeachment over the insurrection and chairing the jan 6th committee. here's what she told us. >> donald trump won't deny that he has plans like the one we have been discussing. what donald trump over the last several years has taught us is we have to take him seriously and we have the take him literally. he has shown us what he's willing to do. >> he has shown us, take him literally, and be ready to resist the type of strategy of diminishment, sometimes appeasement, sometimes just a general kind of trolling, undermining of these very real concerns, because that itself is designed to help donald trump not only return to power -- anyone can return to office -- but return to power and perhaps not leave office. the guardrails are cleary eroding on the right. take a republican senator echoing donald trump's discussion of abusing power, potentially ill really to get the doj to go after opponents, which is something many associate with troubled ex-democracies. and as is so often the case, this is someone who can't be taken as consistent or really very honest, because he came to prominence before running for office as a trump critic. now j.d. vance says the feds should investigate a journalist who wrote that the second term trump plans could amount to a dictatorship. the report coincides with reports trump is considering a bunch of fire brands for vp, possibly tucr carlson, possibly j.d. vance. it's early for all this, but axios reports the commitment to stretch legal and governance boundaries is what's so appealing to trump and vance, to be a hammer for him. vance, like kevin mccarthy has been on both sides of this, and that's another important piece, because we're not talking about traditional good faith debates here. for example, we've covered abortion. it is a long-running debate in american life, and there are people, who whether you agree with them or not, have spent their entire adult lives and careers in one position, which seems at a minimum like they're consistent, not making it up. this is the opposite. the same way mccarthy criticized trump and the same way j.d. vance wrote a whole book bemoaning the trump magaism taking over the right and is now not only in it and defending it, but is pushing farther than other republicans. liz cheney also speaking to this point and how so much of this is not honest, is not in her view good faith, but is done for craven personal reasons or just sheer political gain. >> kevin mccarthy is, throughout this period had multiple opportunities to do the right thing, and each time he did the wrong thing. it isn't just now that it's cost him his career, but it's that it cost the nation greatly that the leader republicans in the house didn't lead. he needed donald trump's donor, and that meant he had to help donald trump wipe away the stain of what he's done to our country. >> that was such an important point that she was conveying there, and it's one that's relatively new. in other words, six months ago, you couldn't have said whether kilometer come's political calculus -- whatever about his undermining ethics, democracy. according to cheney, that would have been worse if it worked because there would have been a reward for him backing up trump. but you watch the news and you know. liz cheney and i discussed this. i was curious her breakdown on this. it's actually the opposite, mccarthy being loyal to donald trump over his own public criticism of the coup and the coup attempts and the insurrection that mccarthy had offered. it resulted in the shortest speakership we've seen in history. in his public humiliation and defenestration. in other words, both things can be true. it can be good for democracy to stand up. that's kind of that place line, and it's a nonpartisan point, but also can be good politics to do that instead of selling out as mccarthy did and still getting ousted, still having a failed speakership, still getting shown the door long before other colleagues of his in the congress. then there's sean hannity, who i mentioned, and someone we was privately horried at the acts of the insurrection. you would expect people who live in a rule of law society would look at the attacks. he did privately and then lied about it in public and encouraged aides and people he had influence over to reign trump in. privately. publicly he had to admit -- the closest you'll get to his old concern is when they tries to help trump by pushing back a little bit or trying to get trump to say he doesn't want to be dictator. we've showed you that headline making clip. hannity said, you're not going to be dictator, rite? trump wouldn't everyone say, that just a part-time dictator, as if that's encouraging. "the washington post" writes, you take it all together and sean hannity demonstrates how to help an authoritarian gain power. the "post", of course, an independent outlet. this is a breakdown looking at the facts and evidence. i'm talking on a news channel that you can say competes with fox. you have to get your information wherever you want it, but believe me when i tell you we're looking at this the level and substance of democracy and the law and not trying to take a random shot at mr. hannity who happens to be on another channel. now saying this is as serious as a heart attack and this is the intersection between the media propaganda, and political project, and then the other nefarious forces that might actually decide they think they're better off ending democracy in america, and it's hard to say it without people thinking that it sounds extreme. welsh it is extreme, but the extreme part is not how we say it or report it. the extreme part is their extreme plan. we're talking about someone running for office who wants to take away your vote, who continues to lie about the last election, who is promising to go after the independent, free parts of civic life, the free press, the opposition, which to him includes top republicans like liz cheney, who had this to say about mr. hannity. >> sean knew at the time. they understood how dangerous donald trump was after january 6th. sean hannity knows that today, so he has several times now tried to sort of bail donald trump out when he's said something or suggested something that is illegal, that is completely beyond the bounds. >> we are now joined by former district attorney joyce vance, no relation to senator vance. we thought of you for this big picture that you have been tracking and writing about and giving legal analysis about the jack smith. before we get to the law, if you will, i'm curious to someone who's also served in government, your response to some of what ms. cheney said, some of which is not new, but much of which comes from a very conservative card-carrying member -- lifetime member of the republican party. >> so i think liz cheney is expressing the views of so many people who are surprised to find themselves in agreement with members of the other political party. democrats and republicans come together and agreed that we live in a moment where a country has to matter more than party, and so it's -- in that sense it's not as surprising when you think about the fact that liz cheney is now urging people to vote for a democrat in the next presidential election. it's not that she agrees with joe biden's politics or wants any of the policies that would come with the democratic administration. she and so many others including i think you and me in this category believe protecting the union, the constitution is the paramount duty we have as we look ahead to the 2024 election. >> hmm. you put that very clearly. i asked her -- people have got to ask her different questions, so we're not by in means unique here. she's a much sought-after figure after the committee. one of the questions i asked her, people have different roles. not everyone's going to run a prosecution office as you did professionally. not everyone's going to be in congress. i was asking, curious, what about citizens? what about people who have some time in the day, some time beyond voting, what does she recommend? here's what she said. >> never citizens in this country can never be bystanders, and right now you've got to consider running for office yourselves, put your name on the ballot if you're going to uphold the constitution. vote for good people. but most of all, come together across party lines to stop donald trump. >> what do you think of that? >> yeah, coming together across party lines to stop donald trump sounds like the defensive maneuver that we're going to have to have, that we're all going to have to work on in 2024. i look forward to years ahead where we can go back to having arguments about policy and politics, the sort of respectful, well-meaning arguments that are designed to get the best policy for our country would be, but we aren't living in that moment right now, and i think liz cheney is absolutely right. people have to run, they have to inform themselves, they have to encourage people in their circle to get out and vote. >> yeah. i have a comment about what you just put forward and then want to ask you about the jack smith stuff you have been writing about. we are on our good days in america, steeped in culture. the robust debates, explaining ourselves. if you are in an authoritarian regime they don't have to explain anything. they might lie, have a sham election. even life-tenured judges go through the process of explaining why and how they ruled you don't have to. you can -- a result. in many way wes live in a legal tradition that works for the reasons you just said, and what we're facing now is something quite different, which is someone not coming in and say, here's my best argument. here's the case. no, people just saying, let's bomb the building. maybe we'll stage so much literal violence around it, the jury will be afraid. and the jury is made of people. people get afraid. that's why violence works. we have to be clear about that. lsh lsh writes in detail about the threats she faced, the security accepts she had to take, and like vice president pence and others, she had to take them because of donald trump because of what she did and said and asked of people, and that's why he's under a lot of scrutiny in his course cases for the same maneuvers against the courts. i say that as a literal step towards you highlighting for us what you have been reading and writing about in the jack smith case. what do you think is important in the recent filings, the so-called clues, blueprint, and evidence for that trial? >> yeah, so there's a little bit of irony in the most recent filing. this is where he has to disclose some of the evidence he intends to use to prove trump's motive and intent and mistake in what we saw him engage in on january 6th. so all of this stuff that trump has been doing, these anti-democratic moves, his effort to treat the january 6th rioters like they're patriots -- jack smith, i think, will shove all of that back down his throat, to be pretty clear about what i think will go on. smith has advised the court he intends to use evidence of trump's conduct, about fairness of trials. but by the same token, he would accept the result if he won. and that's the sort of fundamental contradiction that jack smith can put in front of a jury and then leave them to make their own decision about whether donald trump really believed he had won the election and there was fraud. i think it's a remarkable case that trump himself has handed over to jack smith. >> hmm. all really striking on the big picture be the law. joyce, thank you so much tonight. >> thanks, ari. >> appreciate it. always good to see our friend joyce vance. there was a big debate last night. if you didn't watch it we won't make you rewatch it or watch it for the first time. we'll show you important points later in the program. also, this historic abortion rights ruling in texas. we have that tonight. but coming up next, a we have n heard from in months. i bet you remember tony schwartz, cowrote "art of the deal". he is back for an important reason which we'll get into in 60 seconds. turn ideas into i-did-its. ♪ (holiday music) ♪ (carolers) ♪ iphone 15 pro, your husband deserves it! ♪ (mom) carolers? 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>> i want to close the border and i want to drill, drill, drill. >> that's not retribution. >> i'm going to be -- he keeps -- we love this guy. he says, you're not going to be a dictator are you? i says, no, no, no, other than day one. we're closing the border and drilling, drilling, drilling. other than that, i'm not a dictator. >> he is unequivocally going to be whatever level of dictator he can be, whatever level of authoritarian he can be. it's a no-brainer. he meant what he said. even though it seems insane to say that -- because i think that actually lessens his chances of becoming one, even with people who might be okay with it. >> hannity shares your political analysis, which is you got to prune the edges of this, or you will lose people if you openly vow retribution. >> and he's proved time and time again that no amount of extremity is too much extremity, so i don't want to naively make the assumption. it's certainly a mobilizing call to action for somebody who doesn't want to live in a dictatorship. that's what's extraordinary is that 50% of the country -- you know, you don't get off scot-free under a dictator because you liked the idea of that guy becoming the dictator. he's running the show arbitrarily as he himself acknowledges potentially illegally, as he's done so much that's illegal up to now. this is -- this is the most serious threat, and i would say really in the last 24 hours that has escalated -- or 48 hours -- that we've faced to democracy. >> hmm. you've spent time with him. there are parts of him that endure. we have this headline that "the times" initially surfaced, but for anyone who has an older playboy collection you might recall it. 1990 tiananmen square -- widely reviled. no domestic debate about killing innocent u.s. protesters. he was saying, when the protesters poured into tiananmen square, the chinese government they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. people can disagree about how strong it is to abuse a tank against innocent civilians. many people would call that not only unethical, but also quite weak. look at what weak people do in abusive positions in government power. the trump you worked with when he was talking to you, is he nimble? does he adjust to a pretty different environment next year than 2016? >> is he nimble? no. is he relentless? yes. more, bigger, better is a watch word. he stands by it. i think he'll push. when he said just before the 2016 election, if i stood in the street on fifth avenue and shot somebody, nobody would be -- come after me for it -- the real truth is that donald trump -- this is what people need to know -- is perfectly willing to come up to you or to me or to liz cheney or to any of the people who he may have perceived as enemies, which is in effect all of the non-right wing media, and he could shoot you and not have a moment's pang of conscious, because -- and i've said this before -- the right clinical diagnosis for donald trump is a sociopath. a psychopath -- sociopath has no conscious. that's what makes him so dangerous. if you get two teams on a football field and one team says, hey, the only difference for us is, we won't play by the rules, you've got an enormous advantage. that's his enormous advantage. >> right, and the people around him now gearing up for what would be round two. some of them were legally ostracized. people like mr. bannon, he's a federal convict. federally he could be pardoned. some legally ostracized, some of them beally broke, and some of them said, working with him as briefly as you did was a lot. they don't want to do it again. the problem is who's left are the more extreme people, and i say that by introduction to a clip that -- what you were saying. we monitor, show clips for a reason. what happens in the war room and right wing infrastructure and podcasts is a normalizing of what they're going to do, so it will start out they would argue not as a surprise or extreme, and the attack on dissent us a mentioned, political opposition, and yes, the free press -- we're sitting here as part of the free press, full disclosure, but the attack on the free press is being telegraphed much as it has been done in the other countries where violence and vigilanteism has been. >> we will go out and find the conspirators not just in government, but the media -- yes, we're going to come after the people in the media who lied about the citizens, who rigged the election, we're coming after you. >> this is someone whose history is with the guns and bombs. this is not some twitter post. he was at the pentagon and he would go back there, and there are rules and things that are supposed to protect us no matter who becomes president, but a lot of those people makes a difference. how do you convey that the town lick, that someone who said they thought they'd like what they'd get from trump '16 is different than '28? >> his lack of -- and he was, you know, pretty -- pretty second rate at bringing to life what he wanted to bring to life. but yes, he is much, much more better armed in doing what he wanted to do. in some ways it's frightening to bring in somebody who's been in the pentagon and have him say, that but it's equally frightening to have him bring in people who have no qualifications whatsoever, which is exactly who he's going to bring, because the number one rule to be appointed to a post for trump is to be a sycophant and go along with whatever he asks. >> tony schwartz, we value your perspective, especially at potential inflection points. good to see you, sir. and we will turn to new evidence as trump awaits that rico trial. electors, fake fraudulent electors, getting indicted. and last night's republican debate. moments like this. >> he is unfit. this is a guy who just said this past week that he wants to dwrus the department of justice to go after his enemies when he gets in there. in there use the department of justice to go after his enemies when he gets in there. ice to go after his enemies when he gets indwrus the department of justice to go after his enemies when he gets in there. e touse the department of justice to go after his enemies when he gets in there. ice to go after his enemies when he gets in there i work hard, and i want my money to work hard too. so, i use my freedom unlimited card. earning on my favorite soup. aaaaaah. got it. earning on that éclair. don't touch it, don't touch it yet. let me get the big one. nope. -this one? 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[ audience booing ] >> look, here's the bottom line, you can boo about it all you like and continue to deny reality, but if we deny reality as a party, we're going to have four more years of joe biden. >> don't boo the messenger. well, chris christie directly telling folks in that republican crowd what they clearly didn't want to hear and then responding in realtime to the boos. that's the kind of moment that may echo if he's right and donald trump become a convicted felon and they lose to biden or democrats -- it's a long ways -- to anyone, if that happens. besides christie, the other candidates shied away from criticizing trump at all on that or other issues, showing obvious fear, even though they are running against trump, which means if their candidates for anything other than name recognition or trying to be a vp -- which is a loser's strategy -- it doesn't make a lot of sense to avoid criticizing the person you need to beat. to add insult to injury, trump keeps skipping the debates. politico calls it, trump skates because he's not there to catch any blows. this is a strategy as a former president he's using to put himself above the debate and make last night's debate irrelevant. trump is leading in these primaries by over 40 points. but as we've told you many times, this is just a snapshot of a very early set of polls. early lead. i'm not minimizing that. this suggests that trump is hoping the republican party, the media, everyone go along with this as a coordination. meanwhile, the -- >> do you think he's mentally fit to be president? >> i think we need to have somebody younger. i think when you get up to 80 -- >> you have your thing. >> i don't have my thing. he's the thing. is he fit or isn't he? you're talk about him being 80 years old. ron, is he fit? >> governor desantis -- >> ron! >> it went on like that at times. the front-runner, they went after nikki haley. >> nikki haley, she cave any time the left comes after her, any time the media comes after her. >> nikki, you were bankrupt when you left the u.n. now you're a multimillionaire. that math doesn't add up. it adds up to the fact that you are corrupt. more fascist than the biden machine now is nikki haley. >> i love all the attention, fellas, thank you for that. >> the highlights are a snapshot. you can of course pull up the whole debate online if you want to watch it. we covered the past ones as well. the nikki haley part is probably the most striking, because if you're counting, the iowa caucus is 39 days away, and that counts the christmas new year's week where there's not a lot of serious campaigning or shifting going on in iowa. so they're really within a month of actual day of campaigning. the time is running out. most republicans -- with again the noticeable exception of chris christie seem afraid to even make an argument against the person that they are at the top of the field running against. in time like this we like to turn to people who are insiders with a special perspective, and we are happy to have one of those guests to add tonight. christine todd whitman knows some of the characters, and i don't want to draw too much attention to it, but nikki haley, a woman in the field and took a lot of incoming tonight. thanks for being here. >> always a pleasure to be with you, ari. >> what did you see on stage ni between most of the field not wanting to go after the apparent front-runner? >> well, first of all, it was a 5-year-old food fight as far as i was concerned. they didn't stick to the issues. they just decided to bash each other except chris. chris stayed out of that pretty much, except to defend nikki haley at one point they are running against donald trump. if they really want to be president they have to take on that issue, the big man who's not there, or volodymyr, the man whose name not be spoken, as chris said. it's sad that at this point in time we're talking about the presidency of the united states and we have grown men calling nikki haley a liar, saying she's a cheat, just it was bad. it was not an enlightening debate because it didn't get into the issues in the way that it should have and the way the american people deserve, and that's why we need to do something about these two parties. we need to shake things up. it's what we're doing with forward, so -- >> yeah. well, i think a lot of people both anecdotally and also in polling would echo what you're saying. does the system we're living in and the two-party system and a lot of these rules, which were partly based in protecting the two party monopoly duopoly, does that serve us or not? you mentioned the parts of the debate that were not great for the republican party. that's important because i don't want to overdo any one moment, but put the front-runner to the side, and it wasn't exactly super inspiring for the new voice or who's left running. we'll show you christie and vivek going back and forth. >> you do this every debate. you go out on the stump and you say something, all of us see it on video, we confront you on the debate stage, you say you didn't say it, and you back away. >> i'll tell you exactly what i said, chris. >> i'm not done yet. shaup shaup. >> this man is spewing nonsense. >> this is the fourth debate -- the fourth debate that you would be voted in the first 20 minutes as the most obnoxious blow hard in america, so shut up. >> now, i don't know if this is partly a new jersey thing. you can tell us. chris christie has his own style. it seems to have built up. and vivek outlasted people with serious experience. whatever you think of mike pence, the guy was vice president. vivek is still stand standing and other people are not. what did you think of what chris christie was trying to do there? looking forward, do you see this field if it's narrowed, does that concentrate the potential anti-trump wing of the party? >> the trump wing of the party is the strongest wing of the party, which as you heard me say before, it's not a party, it's a cult. and it's obvious that the three others and chris christie, the three other candidates up there are running for something in the administration, although i doubt, when you've looked at what the former president -- the ex president -- no, former. the former president has said, he's already filled his cabinet with a bunch of people he knows will never challenge him. this is why we've got to do something different, and that's why andrew yang, michael wellnor and i started the forward party. it's to build a real party from the grassroot up that is responsive to the people, not to some big party in washington that tells people what they can do, how they have to think, what issues they can take up, and let candidates speak from their heart about what they feel is important to their constituents. we've got to change the. system we've got to break that duopoly you referred to they control it all. this is what we'll get. we're going to end up with two candidates at this point that nobody wants, joe biden and donald trump. they're not high on the average american's list. and we should not have to keep voting for the lesser evils. >> yeah. yeah, and that's, as you say, what we deserve in a full and open democracy is open debate and choices. always choices. then people could make up their own minds. christine todd whitman, thanks for being here and broadening our perspective a little bit. >> always a pleasure, ari. thank you. >> absolutely. appreciate it. still ahead, a story we told you about that's very important. a win for women's rights in texas from a woman that stood up to protect her own life. we have that for. as well as an elector plot, one of the arrows, how it continues to bring more heat with three 125i9s look atting at criminal liability for those lying trump fans. that's next. and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. hi, my name is damion clark. if you have both medicare and medicaid, i have some really encouraging news that you'll definitely want to hear. depending on the plans available in your area, you may be eligible to get extra benefits with a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. all of these plans include a healthy options allowance, a monthly allowance to help pay for eligible groceries, utilities, rent, and over-the-counter items. the healthy options allowance is loaded onto a prepaid card each month. and whatever you don't spend, carries over from each month. other benefits on these plans include free rides to and from your medical appointments. and our large networks of doctors, hospitals and pharmacies. so, call the number on your screen now and ask about a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. humana. a more human way to healthcare. ♪everything i do that's for my health is an accomplishment.♪ ♪concerns of getting screened faded away♪ ♪to my astonishment.♪ ♪my doc gave me a script i got it done without a delay.♪ ♪i screened with cologuard and did it my way.♪ cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪i did it my way!♪ hey, while you're there, ask your provider for cologuard. grab more delectables. you know, that lickable cat treat. de-licka what? 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