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is the truce only going to last one more day? >> reporter: well, it's difficult to know if this truce is going to last another day. it does seem a little more encouraing than this morning. we are trying to read the tea leaves here. each day, hamas right around now starting releasing prisoners, over the last several days at least, as the truce has been holding. it's a long process as we have become familiar with. hamas hands them over to the red cross. the red cross brings them over into egypt. the israeli authorities pick them up, bring them back for medical checks. this time today, it was a little different. hamas released two female hostages, also similar process handing them over to the red cross. we are not sure if more are coming today. we do expect that there should be another group. if there is another group, then it's very likely that this truce will be extended at least another day. that is a positive sign. it shows that the truce is moving forward. it's extremely welcome news for the families. there was a video that emerged on israeli social media of one of these women who was released a short while ago. she was a woman who had been featured in a hamas video. she was injured in her arm. as soon as her mother heard the news that she was being released, the mother -- there was a video taken of the mother just expressing the utmost joy, shouting out saying, she's coming home, she's coming home! ecstatic with glee. other families, obviously, are watching, waiting for the news, not sure exactly who is going to be released next, who might be released next. hamas does seem to be digging deeper into its hostage pool. yesterday it released two 18-year-old men. the women released today are certainly of military age. hamas' initial position, which was that it would only release women and children, does seem to be softening somewhat. that is, i guess, a sign of progress. this is very tenuous. frankly, nobody that i'm speaking to believes that this is going to last much longer. most people believe that the israeli military will resume its military offensive in gaza, and that the next phase of the war will focus on southern gaza. that is, in part, what secretary blinken is here to do, to try and talk to the israelis, get more of an understanding of what the new phase of the military campaign might look like. will it be as devastating for the palestinian people as the initial opening phases were when there was such heavy bombing in the north? i think secretary of state blinken is trying to guide the process of what a future military campaign might be and try to extend this truce for as long as possible. >> richard, this seems to me like a real pivot for the administration in the last 24 hours. first the u.n. ambassador explicitly saying the extremist settlers in the west bank are risking fighting on that front. >> reporter: the explicit criticism of the settlers, we did hear that from president biden himself in one of his early addresses. he mentioned the settlers, said they need to -- >> it was a much more pointed reference yesterday and now today, the language was -- do something about protecting civilians before you resume the offensive. >> reporter: exactly. we are not hearing the same sort of open embrace from the biden administration of israel that we heard in the early days right after the attack. this attack for israel was a little bit like 9/11. if you remember, president biden said, don't do -- he didn't say it like this. but the message was, don't do what we did. don't lose your head. don't submit to rage and be careful of what you think about. aside from that very gentle criticism, president biden and the entire administration embraced israel with open arms and squeezed them tightly. now we are starting to see more and more pointed criticism as israel is gearing up for this next phase, because israel itself has come under tremendous international pressure. the biden administration has come under pressure for being too close to israel and faegivi the israeli military carte blanche to do this. >> i don't think i have seen anything this complex, so many issues. you are on top of it all. thank you, richard engel. the transformative figure, dr. kissinger, the long life, consequential and controversial, that's next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds. this is msnbc. c. try new robitussin lozenges with real medicine and find your voice. you know? 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[ applause ] >> his influence and charm made him an unlikely celebrity. he met the love of his life, marrying his wife nancy, a top aide to vice president rockefeller. after leaving government, he traveled the world, advising heads of state and counseling u.s. presidents of both parties. he celebrated his 100th birthday in may before returning to china, the scene of his greatest diplomatic triumph, where he received a red carpet welcome from xi jinping. joining me now is the president on foreign relations. richard, let's talk about henry kissinger. he was revered, reviled, controversial, celebrated. >> you got it right. i think history will be kind to him. i think his accomplishments, which you talked about in the piece, the opening to china, stabilization of relations with the soviet union, all the arms control agreements, his accomplishments in the middle east after the war 50 years ago which set the stage for the israeli/egyptian peace treaty. one of the leading thinkers and writers for more than 60 years now in his field. on the other side, you are right, his biggest vulnerability is the prolonging of the war in vietnam for purposes or interests that aren't clear. there's other areas where people criticized him because of chile and east pakistan, what's now bangladesh. when history weighs this, i think henry kissinger will be seen as the greatest scholar practitioner of the age and one of the four great american secretaries of state since world war ii. >> in july, at the age of 100, he secretly flew to china at the invitation of xi jinping. his influence in china still on display. was he setting the stage for what president biden was able to achieve? at that point, there had still been no agreement to what became the san francisco ly interestin watch the chinese deal with kissinger. he has a special legitimacy there in part because he had a personal relationship with none of the current generation of leaders. he has been an advocate for a u.s./chinese relationship to finesse the relationship. the united states and china are the two post critical state of this era. he had been a consistent voice for maintaining a floor in that relationship, something joe biden picked up. and xi jinping as well. >> the fact that he was always pushing forward to the next big frontier, i was there when you were leading the council on foreign relations. i think it was in june. you were questioning him on artificial intelligence, about which he has been writing. up until the end, he was working on the next challenge. >> yeah. it's amazing, henry kissinger is as prominent as he is, and he left government nearly 50 years ago. he was one of those rare individuals who didn't need to live off his rolodex. he could generate his in-box. he turned his attention to ai, because he saw this as the new technology with the potential to destabilize the world. certain parallels to what nuclear weapons had to destabilize the world. it was impressive but not surprising that henry kissinger, in addition to writing about great power politics, turned to this new challenge, this new threat to global order. at the end of the day, that's what he was about. he was about order, not so much peace, not so much justice or human rights. he was about order and the avoidance of conflict. >> can you tell us about the man behind that -- the diplomat, beyond the public man? he had a great sense of humor. >> great sense of humor. could be self-deprecating. he wasn't the easiest person to deal with. when he was unhappy with you, you knew it. i was on the receiving end of it sometimes. we always somehow got over it. what i found extraordinary was the power of the intellect, whether speaking or writing. his ability to draw on history. then also, unlike most academics, when he went into government, he was extraordinarily operational. he was someone who could succeed in both worlds, the world of the mind and the world of politics. that's a pretty rare combination. as you just talked about, he stayed in it to the end. the idea, when people are retiring, he had no interest in that. he never wanted to let up. he never wanted to miss the next meeting. it's an impressive life. intensely lived. >> indeed. thank you very much. i appreciate that. we will have more on henry kissinger's life, his legacy and his controversies coming up. on the border. will the partisan fight over the border and immigration policies block agreements on aid to israel and ukraine? 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this is certainly front and center right now. >> i'm smiling because you have described it as a bipartisan division, which i think that's a poetic phrase if there ever was one to describe what's going on in congress. first of all, i don't believe we should be attaching this border dispute to funding for ukraine. the ukrainian people, over the last two years, through their bravery and through what they have achieved, which is magnificent, in pushing putin out of half of the territory that he took, shutting down his black sea fleets so the world could get food, nobody would have imagined that. this shouldn't be a difficult question for us. for the sake of democracy, we need to fund this. that's part of the problem. i would say second, there's some republicans here who are saying, well, we know how important this is, so we're going to use this as an opportunity to exert leverage and come to a deal on the border. i believe our immigration system is in deep need of improvement. it's not -- i'm not interested in protecting the status quo. if we can get to an agreement that satisfies them, that's consistent with our commitment to the rule of law and our identity as a nation of immigrants, i'm for it. but i do think it's unfortunate they have injected this contingency into the negotiations. we cannot fail when it comes to ukraine. whether we get to a deal or not on the border, we have to find a bipartisan way through on ukraine. >> it's one thing to spend more money on the border. the president was agreeing with that in his supplemental proposal. but to try to resolve decades and decades of disagreements over fundamental border policy at the risk of not funding israel and/or ukraine, that doesn't make sense. does it? >> i think that doesn't make much sense. we shouldn't be doing it in the course of this negotiation. i was part of the gang of eight in 2013 working with john mccain and others to write the last immigration bill. it was bipartisan, passed this place with 68 votes. that's a massive bipartisan vote. unfortunately, it was stopped, it was vetoed by the freedom caucus in the house. think about how different perk would have been if we passed that bipartisan bill, both in terms of the pathway to citizenship for the dreamers, for the 11 million people that are undocumented, and for our border security, for that matter. what's changed is there's now a billion dollar enterprise by transnational gangs that are smuggling people to the border of the united states. that's not the biden administration's fault. that's something that's happening in the world. we have to come together to contend with that. whether we get that done now in this negotiation, i don't think is all that likely. this work will still be done for us on the back end of it. >> i heard you will have a classified briefing, an all senate briefing tuesday on ukraine, israel and all of this. are there questions that you think can be answered to your satisfaction on israel, for instance? >> i would say, first on ukraine, it's very clear to me that ukraine has the receipts because of what they have done, what they have accomplished. there is a lot on the line for the united states. there's a lot on line for democracy here. i think with respect to israel, look, we also saw together the video a few days ago of hamas' attack on israel. i think everybody left that, i'm sure, seeing hamas as a death cult, which they are. the terrorism that they have inflicted on israel, it's not just their right, it is their obligation to respond to that. we need to make sure that they do that and israel needs to make sure they do it in a way that saves as many civilian lives as possible. but that's made more difficult because hamas is the one that's putting civilians in the line of fire in the palestinian territory. this is a difficult moment in human affairs. it's a time, i think, when the american people have to show up. i know you have been talking about kissinger all morning. you think about the vietnam war and how in the end, there were a lot of really brilliant people that were hanging around these marble columns who thought that was a great idea. it was the american people that brought that to an end. you remember at the same time, richard nixon violating his oath to the constitution. it was the american people working through their elected representatives that brought that to an end and changed the way america approached its politics. i would argue that we are living in a time that's easily as important, as significant as that time. this is a time when the american people need to show up, and the politicians need to knock off their partisan games. >> senator michael bennet, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. will today's temporary truce be the last extension before the fighting resumes? 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>> i was briefed just before coming to speak to you. it's up in the air. we have to see two things happen for this -- the pause in the fighting against hamas, for the pause to continue. once again, they have to release another eight people, another eight hostages, according to the understandings reached. we received two hours ago two israeli hostages, both women. one 21-year-old, one 40-year-old. another eight must be delivered according to the understanding, must be returned home. we are waiting for that eight to arrive. that will take the total to ten, which as you know is in the accordance with the agreements, with the understandings reached. then we will have to wait to see, is hamas going to propose a release for tomorrow? if hamas proposes a release of further hostages for tomorrow, in accordance with the understandings reached, it's possible that the pause in the fighting can continue. but i can't give you an assurance that i know for a fact hamas is going to deliver the release of hostages tonight as promised or that they are going to give us a list that's according to the agreements reached. so we have to wait and see. israel has to be prepared for both alternatives. one, the humanitarian pause continues. we have to be ready tomorrow for the resumption of hostilities. >> last night, it was about four minutes to midnight before they released -- it was right up against the midnight deadline. there are reports out of doha that in return for more hostages, including men, including men of military age to be released, which bill burns, our cia director is pushing for, that the hamas is demanding a larger number of palestinians per hostage, something -- more than three for one. is that accurate? >> i'm not at liberty to go into details of what is being discussed. >> would that be a deal breaker? >> if these talks will succeed, it's because they are done in discretion. i'm not going to talk about the details publically. we would like to see more hostages released, obviously. that's one of our prime motivations in this conflict. but we have no illusions about who we are up against. it's not just the shooting this morning in jerusalem. but we have seen what hamas is capable of doing. we are seeing this violence they have inflicted upon the israeli people. we saw just the story yesterday about the bibas family, with the 10-month-old baby and his older brothe a 4-year-old. hamas says they are dead. we know they were alive. we have seen pictures. they were very much alive when they were taken to hamas captivity. they kidnapped babies and then they died. we have no illusions. this is a brutal, cruel enemy. i think i said to you previously that when you try to do a deal with these people, even when you have the support of the united states and the egyptians and others, when you try to deal with these people, it's like having a tooth removed. it's painful. it's never easy. we won't know until tomorrow morning if, in fact, the humanitarian pause is continuing or if, in fact, we are back to fighting a war against hamas. >> in the way you fight that war, secretary blinken was more pointed today. all of the public messages from washington are, in fact, not to proceed with the southern offensive until you can assure that there is more protection for civilians. are you going to change the way you are targeting? 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>> i think the greatest impact is almost who he was, a strategist. he put pieces together in a way that nobody else did. the breakthrough in china probably had the biggest impact in the time. he is the only american who knew all chinese leaders from mao to now. if there were no negotiations with the soviet union, you don't get many things. we see where we are in the middle east. the first two had the greatest impact. >> jane, you knew him so well. what do you remember most about him? >> a couple things. first, it's so painful to lose two greats in a month, diane feinstein, another dear friend the other one. i agree with what fred said. i sat next to henry kissinger for ten years on the defense policy board and his name was on the kissinger center for china and the u.s. at the wilson center, which i ran for ten years. he told me the story of how this started, which is that he worked for nelson rockefeller in 1968. rockefeller lost to nixon. during the transition, the nixon folks called and said would he like to meet nixon. he said, sure. he met nixon. a day later he was offered the role of national security advisor. basically, cold call and amazing offer. guess what he said? 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