won't say. but we will just blame the lawyers. now not you, charles coleman. you are good lawyer [laughs] ! have some fun this. morning >> thanks, katie. always good to see you! good morning. it is saturday november 25th, you are watching velshi on msnbc. i'm charles coleman junior filling in this weekend for my friend and colleague, ali velshi. we have got a lot to talk about. first off, we are following breaking news this morning on day two of our fragile pause in the war between israel and hamas. nbc news is reporting 13 more israeli hostages are expected to be released today by hamas. 42 palestinian prisoners are also expected to be released as well according to israel channel 13. we are awaiting word on when this exchange is actually going to happen. if it is successful, it will be the second batch of hostages and prisoners released by the two countries as part of a deal that involves a four-day pause in fighting. over the course of these four days, hamas has a agreed to release a total of 50 women and children taken hostage during the october 7th attack. in turn, israel then agreed to release 150 palestinian women in teenagers that it has detained. and as soon as we know when these exchanges are taking place, we will take it live to you and let you know. our coverage of this exchange will take you there with pictures and reporting from our msnbc news team on the ground in israel. we will check in with them in just a few minutes. but first, let's get up to date on the multiple trials of donald trump were knee developments this holiday week might have slipped under the radar. to start off, the ongoing legal battles over a pair of gag orders against the former president. in a new brief opposing the gag order in the civil gag order, a court official with judicial threat assessment unit detailed the harassment that judge engoron and his law clerk have been receiving. let me say this again, the judicial threats assessment unit. if you've never heard of it, consider that a good thing. it is and it does just what it sounds like. assessing threats to judges and clerks and other core employees to ensure their protection and their safety. now they are being called in, in no small part, because the former president of the united states cannot seem to resist the urge to attack those who were simply doing their jobs while he is on trial. let that sink in for a moment. the brief, filed by the state attorney generals office noted that the clerk's personal cell phone and emails have both been compromised. as a result, quote, she has been subjected to, on a daily basis, harassing disparaging comments and antisemitic tropes, and quote. the court official added the threats, for, considered to be serious and credible and have not hypothetical or speculative. and quote. this filing includes direct quotes from some of those messages, most of which i can't even say on television because practically every word is a curse. my mother watches, and i like my job. not to mention that the fcc is very good at their. the gag order in new york is actually being paused until monday when judges in a new york appeals court are going to reconsider the issue. what is happening here is the kind of harassment that prosecutors down in washington d.c. are trying to prevent in the federal election interference case against donald trump. in fact, prosecutors sent that very same brief filed in new york to the d.c. court of appeals as part of their own bid to get the gag order in the case reinstated. this past monday, judges at the d.c. court of appeals signaled that they were open to keeping a narrow version of the order in place. they have yet to issue a final ruling. meanwhile, there are growing concerns that a florida judge's slow walking the classified documents case and that the same judge, perhaps, is opening the door for the trial to be delayed. if you've been keeping score, yes, this is the same judge who happens to be a trump appointee. it is the same judge who got reversal on appeal after she performed some legal somersaults, essentially trying to stretch the law in response in a contour of the special master in the same case, right before the doj had even finished its investigation and invited the former president. yes, this is the same judge who pushed the trial date for this documents case on 2024. even with that may 24 date still technically remain on the calendar, critics have pointed out that judge aileen cannon has been taking her sweet and slow time. deciding on the motion and has also postponed some key pretrial deadlines. the concern about all of this is a could add up in the trial being pushed back even further. even further beyond what might be the presidential election date joining me now is danny sibblis and criminal defense attorney and nbc legal analyst. and with us, anthony coley. the former director of public affairs at the department of justice and the former chief spokesperson for attorney general garland. also nbc justice and legal affairs analyst. beyond the titles, these are two of the best people i could be talking to. i see my main in the blue, this is a big day. you don't want to spend too much time talking about this. >> first of all, charles, it is a testament to how much i love charles coleman than i'm even here on the day of the michigan ohio state game! if that ali velshi had asked me, i would've told him to beat it. way, we are pretending right now, right? >> no, no. this is live. >> oh. >> yes, indeed. good luck to you today. since you are on a time correctly will go and get started. it seems like, and i'm taking the glasses off because this is straight lawyer talk right here, judges are starting to make a direct connection between the posts on social media that the former president is engaging in and the response that he is getting from his followers. seeing that as a real threat. i'm going to read to you a quote that came out of this hearing in d.c. this week. it says, one of the judges asked, why does the district court half to wait and see and wait for the threats to come rather than taking a reasonable action in advance? do you think that judges are really starting to dismiss the arguments that have been made by donald trump's defense team about some of his social media activity? >> never before has any co-had the challenge of gagging a defendant like donald trump. as you know, charles, for the vast majority of criminal defendants if they criticize the judge, if they criticize a prosecutor, no one cares. it is not even remotely political speech. no one, for the most, part is listening. maybe they have a couple hundred followers on twitter, who cares. this has never happened before. where you have a political figure making the argument that everything he says, as ridiculous and offensive as it is, is political speech. there is another layer of complexity which is this. do we curtail someone's first amendment rights based on what other ill advised, stupid, people do in response to what that person says? when you look at his words alone they may not incite riot. they may not be a call to violence. but other misguided people will take it as such. how do we deal with that constitutionally? do we hold donald trump responsible for what those people do, idiotically? do we curtail his first amendment rights? this is a rhetorical question. i do not know the answer. i don't know that the courts know yet, either. this has never been dealt with before. >> anthony, speaking of social media, you were on social media this past week. you are talking about that notion that, basically, what donald trump is doing with these gag orders and how he is responding is an attempt to control the public narrative. i tend to agree with you. and i have been saying that along with a lot of other people for a very long time. my question to you is, how successful do you think he is being with that ploy? >> he has been very successful. i will break it down, i am not a lawyer like both of you but i will speak -- >> listen, your grandfather -- you are grandfathered and because of your time of the doj. >> okay. let me break it down. anytime you attack these lawyers, prosecutors, judges and their staff he knows that many of his followers view these things as marching orders. there is a pattern of it. i remember in september of 2020 he was asked, specifically, to condemn violent right-wing extremism. he differs and he tells the proud boys, you know what? stand back and stand by. in december of that year he tells people, he summons them to washington d.c. and details them, come, we will be wild. and then they show up on january 6th. i went back and i read the transcript of his remarks. the word fight or fighting is mentioned 20 times in that transcript. he told them to fight like hell. do you know what they do? they go down to the capitol and they fight like hell. they only stop when he tells them to stop. there is a clear correlation between what donald trump says and what his supporters do. my hope is the court recognizes that quickly because peoples lives are at stake here. that is not hyperbole. at i>> now, i want to follow up with you. you are the messaging guy. here the communications guy, we are the lawyers. i think a lot of people do not realize that for donald trump in terms of him the narrative there is a space where it is, heads i win tails you lose in terms of how he can control the narrative from purely a messaging standpoint. i'm talking about the technicality of a. we are talking about the overall outcome that he seeks to advance. is that a good idea? >> there are two things here. number one, i think he has a two track objective. he is trying to delay these cases for life he can. and that is especially true with judge aileen cannon. we will talk about that, i hope, in a little bit. the other thing he's trying to do is to change public opinion to influence what happens inside the courtroom. to influence what happens inside the court of law. remember, he only really needs one member of a jury in any of these cases to say, not guilty. what is he trying to do? he is trying to intimidate witnesses. he is trying to poison the jury pool. that is his goal. i would say, from my observation, both of these things his political campaign in his legal woes are all intertwined here. i think that is what he is trying to do. >> now danny, anthony has told us we need to move on to aileen cannon so let's just do that. and as attorneys, we are looking at this trial count, okay? the delays are not necessarily unusual. it is something that happens. people are arguing that aileen cannon seems to be setting the stage to push for this as close to or beyond election 2024. and what is the likelihood that that happens? >> very likely. i've said, testing most of these cases, especially the state court cases you can plan on 2025 for the trial start. when it comes to the fulton county case, the first witnesses in 2025. save the tape, i've said it before. don't save the tape, it just in case i'm wrong. but save it so i can say it now. the point is these cases, these are the most significant criminal trials in american history. while the government, at least in the documents case in florida and in the d.c. case, they may feel that they are ready to proceed for trial. absolutely the d.c. cases designed for speed. that will probably be the first one to go to trial. the documents case is complex. the government says they can proceed to trial sooner. as a defense attorney, the government is usually pretty ready by the time they indict the case. it's the defense that has to look through terabytes of documents and decide how to proceed, what kind of defense they want to put on. i am a little sympathetic with the idea that this will take some time. at the same time, federal court moves very quickly. i think the may 20 trial date in the documents case in florida is probably not gonna happen. in my experience, what federal judges do because they have so much pressure to move cases along, they will set up a trial date that may not be realistic. they will leave it to the parties to make a motion, to ask them to move. it that way the judge has done his or her job and the party can fight over that is a good trial date. believe, me they are going to fight about it. the government has made a case. i think it is a credible one, even though these are complex issues, the documents, there are different tears of classified, more sensitive, less sensitive documents. i still think that they can go to trial rather sooner than later. i think the defense is going to make a lot of arguments, some of them reasonable, some of them stretches. that is their sworn duty. you know that, charles. as defense attorneys, as long as we are zealously representing our clients within the bounds of ethics we are duty bound to try everything we can. the reality is, delay usually viewers to the benefit of defense. never before in american history has to lay adhere to the criminal defendant like it will for trump. if this case is still pending, any of the federal cases, he will simply appoint an attorney general who is dismissing. if not of them weren't, he will try, may not be successful, but he will try to pardon himself. >> antonio, and were you back in your formal role really quickly. we haven't heard much from jack smith, understandably show. we have not heard much from merrick garland. the closer that these trials get pushed towards an election, would you advise either of them to say something publicly about the need to either hold off, or the need to press the gas? and if so, which one? >> i don't imagine them to say anything else out of the court room. my -- listening to you talk about this is really interesting because my takeaway is that judge aileen cannon, in this case, she feels like she's a referee who is trying to rig a game before any of them starts. that is how i view this. the fact of the matter is that the evidence in this documents case is so overwhelming, we are not talking about george, something that a witness may or may not have overheard secondhand and a coffee shop. we are talking about, here, solid evidence, firsthand accounts, from people who were in donald trump's employee with photographic evidence, videotapes from mar-a-lago, the government's case here is airtight, i would know. they are really successful in winning these types of cases. up to 98% of the time. >> more than 90. >> yeah. >> federal government's deadly efficient. >> this is a big deal, so much we could have talked about, but i appreciate you guys joining me. -- anthony coley, getting us started today. go blue. >> go blue indeed. >> still to come this morning on velshi, a second group of hostages is expected to be released today. in exchange for a group of palestinian prisoners being held by israel. we will head to the region, for the very latest. stay tuned. you're watching velshi, right on 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closely. you are taking a look right now outside of the ofer prison, and israeli prison in the west bank. this is your palestinian prisoners club to be transferred from. this is reporting at least one empty bus is sitting outside thon, getting ready for the transfer. yesterday,13 iaelis, as well as ten ty nationals and one filipino, we're released in exchange for 39 palestinian person or selden israel. another result of this deal has been a four-day truce between israel and hamas. since yesterday, there's been a quiet over the gaza skyline for the first time in 40 days. this comes as israel halts its brutal military campaign to allow the hostage swap in the flow of aid into gaza. yesterday, the hostages were transported by the red cross from gaza to the rafah crossing in egypt. they are, they were flown to hospitals in israel to be examined and reunited with their families. now, here's the moment a nine year old boy who was held hostage by hamas is reunited with his father for the first time. this deal took weeks of seeking negotiations involving u.s., israel, the qatari, and egyptian officials. and some even personal intervention from president joe biden. according to a senior israeli government official, biden spoke to reporters from nantucket after the first hostages were released yesterday. >> i'm consistently pressed for a pause in the fighting. for two reasons, to accelerate and expand humanitarian assistance going into gaza, and to, to facilitate the release of hostages. over the past several weeks, i spoke repeatedly with qatar, the president -- to prime minister benjamin netanyahu to help secure the steel, to nail it down. >> joining me now is erin loughlin, and nbc news correspondent in tel aviv, and they've noriega, an msnbc -- news correspondent currently located in ramallah. erin, thank you for being here. let's start with you. what can you tell us about the hostages that were set to be released today? how many are they? and what's the timing you are looking at? >> well, charles, this time yesterday, hamas was just minutes away from handing over 13 israeli hostages to the red cross. today, we have had no news so far. the schedule for today's exchange has not been made public. we know from a diplomat with knowledge of this process that they expect at least 13 israeli hostages to be handed over to the red cross and brought over the border into egypt, then, into israel. today, but the israeli government is not releasing the names that are expected to be released, because this is seen as an extraordinarily fragile process. meanwhile, you have more than 200 families of the hostages remaining inside gaza, waiting and watching to see what happens next. i was speaking to one man, who has relatives in still inside gaza. he told me his family is not on today's list. they have been informed of that, but he is hoping, he said that with every release, there is new hope for the next release. and the next release. remember, this is at least a four-day cease-fire, charles. >> now david, you are in ramallah, where people were actually celebrating the other side of the deal, that being the freed palestinian prisoners. what has the palestinian reaction been to the steel, and this prisoner exchange? yeah, charles. from here in the west bank, the reaction has been one of celebration, and jubilation. although some of that has been tempered by some of the realities of the occupation. the organization that represents palestinian personnel says that the released prisoners and their families have been warned by israeli authorities not to have large public gatherings to celebrate the releases, not to speak to the press, and if they do, they may be fined up to about $20,000. that said, last night in ramallah, on this first group of prisoners was released, we spoke to several palestinians who had gathered there for the occasion. several of them said they were hoping this exchange would lead to something greater. we spoke to one human rights attorney. here is what he had to say on the matter. >> when we see that now, there is -- it is like free, people are getting free, and this is a start for me, something big, that they hope that this will and this situation. >> you know, charles, ultimately, it's up to people like him, whether this pause in hostilities leads to a final piece. it is up to the parties in question. it's up to the idf and of hamas. so, for the time being, the best they can do is hope. charles? >> that was nbc news correspondent, erin maclachlan and david noriega. thank you to you both. we will continue this conversation with someone who led the u.s. government agency in charge of bringing american hostages home. that's next, stay with us. there's more velshi on msnbc, on the other side of this break. thi break. this wreck. 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what do you say, as someone who has done this, about when we should expect or hope that the americans who have been taken hostage will be released? >> i'm confident the americans will be released. they are at the top of the list for the qatari negotiations. i know that the most senior levels of the u.s. government are involved. some of the national security council, this administration, and actually, the two previous administrations, back to president obama, did prioritize hostage affairs. they treat every american you know, with great importance and there are a few societies in the world that vue their citizens as much as the united states and israel, and will do anything to protect their citizens, will do anything to recover our citizens. and we will dedicate all the resources that we have, for as long as it takes to do it. we have a very close relationship with the qataris that we have built over the years. it hostage matters, and i know at the most senior level of the qatari government are pushing for our agenda, to get americans home. >> this is a very unique situation, not just because things are very fragile between israel and hamas, but also, because these prisoners are being held inside an active war zone. in terms of where they're being kept. how does that complicate the notion of a prisoner exchange, even in the midst of a four-day agreement for a cease-fire? i think first, it is not a prisoner exchange. one side of the, one of the principles in this is a terrorist organization who took hostages. we are not exchanging prisoners. it is a war zone, because hamas conducted a terrorist act inside of israel, you know, six weeks ago. and now, northern gaza and gaza city, look like stalingrad in world war ii. it is complicated to do this, and one of the reasons that hamas required israel to stop flying ice are drones to conduct intelligence reconnaissance, they don't want any information gleaned from where the hostages may be held. they want to protracted swore as long as they can. hamas is doing this to buy time. they are not doing this for humanitarian reasons. this is hostage taking is a tried and true tactic, used by terrorist organizations. historically, very well by palestinian terrorist organizations. if you just look back to 1972, munich, you know, black september, which was a palestinian terrorist organization, took and massacred israeli athletes in the olympic games. two years later, yasser are fought, wearing a belt, speaking on the floor of the general assembly, so the tactic works. it brought attention to their cause, people quickly forget about the actual events that happened, that precipitated its. but then the palestinian cause got attention. you see that repeating itself right now. people almost have forgotten about october 7th. >> we've been talking about hamas, but there are also other organizations that have taken israeli hostages, including you know, militant groups like palestinian islamic jihad, how do we see other organizations factor into the sort of hostage negotiation conversation, and do they make things more complicated? if, so how do you deal with that? >> it makes it more complicated. right now, there are no page representatives in doha. the other part of palestinian dulles lawmaker hot, and not too in any way suggest that hamas is not extremist and radical, but pij it's borne out of egyptian islamic jihad, where elbe khiry was a member. it is much further up the islamic jihadi stream than hamas is. so, that's concerning. they've also traditionally broke cease-fires. so, hamas is trying to control that dynamic. there's also, as you've suggested, other groups. that were opportunists, criminal organizations, that took hostages that were uncoordinated. so, trying to pull that altogether is going to be difficult. but that is one of the opportunities getting past the fourth day. hamas has agreed to try to round up some of these others for future exchanges. >> christopher o'leary, thank you so much for lending your expertise to this conversation. very much appreciated. and coming up, is the bedrock to ensuring democracy is available to all americans. and it is now under attack. again. what you need to know about this week's ruling against the voting rights act. stay with us for more velshi, on msnbc. i'm charles coleman junior, and we will be right back. will be right back. you're replacing me? 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>> sure, charles. first of all, this case that came out is just ludicrous. you, know advancement project, we opened our doors in 1999, and in 2000, we were counsel on behalf of the naacp against catherine harris for the suspect perch of black voters. that was brought under section two. we sued the state of north carolina over the monster voter suppression law that they passed, under section two. we were in court right now in georgia, around the voter suppression law that was passed after the 2020 election. and so this is important, because civil rights plaintiffs should be able to vindicate the voting rights of black folks. and what this court has done is turn its head on decades of litigation that have been brought by civil rights players, and left it to the department of justice. it is important to understand the department of justice, first, fall can bring all the cases. because they don't have the resources. and second, in particular instances like that 2000 election, the department of justice would not have brought that case, because they have political implications for that administration. and so they won't bring all the cases. so our lawyers have to be the ones to be able to go into court and sue on behalf of civil rights plaintiffs and organizations. >> carol, i want to pick up exactly where judith left off on that last point. can you really make it plain for our audience, what the difference is when you are talking about a doj that is solely responsible for bringing these sorts of cases, and what that looks like without a section two under a jeff sections or under a bill barr, as compared to under a kristen clark, who is now the head of the civil rights division at the doj? can you talk about politically, how that contrasts plays out for black folks and others who might be disenfranchised? >> what we have seen historically is that the conservatives, the right-wing in american policy, does not value the votes and the voter, the citizenship of african americans. so, what you're going to see, you are not going to see a doj really weigh in to protect black folks voting rights. we have not seen that. we have seen the doj under richard nixon going against the voting rights act. renew the voting rights act. we have seen the doj under ronald reagan, going against black folks rights. we have seen, we have seen, we have seen. and remember, it was under trump or the doj, under jeff sessions, in fact, flipped its support for, flipped his position in a voting rights case, coming up in ohio, to go for the state of ohio that was discriminating against black voters. and so it requires them having the civil rights organizations, such as the l b f, such as the naacp, such as advancement justice. these organizations, the league of women voters, being able to weigh in on the citizenship rights of african americans, of latinos, of native americans, of asian americans, being able to do this work in order to stop the system from systematically denying the citizenship rights of american citizens. >> she would, if one of the things i think is a hallmark of being a civil rights attorney is the notion of strategy. that has always been something that we have had to figure out, in terms of fighting for, what has been denied access. now, with section five gone, pretty preclearance sort of obliterated, and the threat of section two gone, what is the strategy around protecting the rights, particularly where now, we are talking about something that just hangs in the balance politically, if this is allowed to stand? >> i don't even want to think about that, charles? so, it is a problem. first of all, under section two, we have to understand that this court, first of, all was in a handful of states. that are impacted. it may go to the supreme court. i can't imagine the supreme court, affirming this decision, because the supreme court has taken so many voting rights cases, including cases that are redistricting cases, that they just decided under section two. now, if they did, if they took the bait, because we do have to understand, this is part of a larger plan and execute a plan that has been in place since the 80s to dismantle all of the civil rights victories of the civil rights movement. if they do take the bait, then it will leave us with the constitution, which is not very strong for us under the 14th amendment, because it requires intentional discrimination. under section two, we can show disparities by statistics. the other thing we won't have as we will have state laws, and the other thing we can get more state laws passed, like the one in virginia, that is modeled after the voting rights act. so, we'll continue to fight. you know, this is not going to end, but we do have to understand that there are significant ramifications for our democracy by this decision. >> carol, i want to continue with the historical implications here. given how we got to the voting rights act nearly 60 years ago, is there any hope from the strategy element, just dovetailing off of what you this was just talking about, that voters may be able to pressure federal legislators to sort of strengthen or restrengthen or reinvigorate what's left of the voting rights act, to protect it, or is this simply something that is going to be fought in the courts, exclusively? >> no. voters have the power, and this means that what we must do is we must go to the polls, and we must elect representatives who believe in democracy, who believe in the job of the voting rights advancement act, who believe in the freedom to vote act. we must put those people in power so that that federal legislation can then go through. can then be passed. that is one of the key strategies. to have representatives who believe in democracy, the other piece is that by having those folks in congress, and having a representative in the white house, when the appointments come through for the federal bits, it means we are having people who are sitting on the inner judiciary who absolutely believe in democracy. who don't believe in the erosion of american citizenship. particularly the erosion based on race, that we are seeing repeatedly since the gutting of the voting rights act under shelby county beholder. >> judith, one of the things i've always admired about advancement project is your -- mention messaging and communications. there are people right now who are watching this who may be disillusioned about the idea that ultimately, the voting rights act could be no more. and they think that perhaps it couldn't happen, we've seen roe v. wade done away with. can you communicate to them the severity, the gravity, of this moment that we're in, in terms of understanding that that, to, potentially, could be on its way out? >> -- >> sure. we can't have free and fair elections in this country without the voting rights act. and again, we have to understand and put this in perspective, that the right is going after everything. all of our rights. affirmative action, abortion, they are dismantling all of the civil rights acts. they have been doing it for decades, because they had a plan. so, what's important for us is that we have got to keep fighting. we have got to pass the voting rights advancement act. we have got to pass the laws that are sitting in state legislatures to protect vote. and we have to vote. because that is the way we will get people, represent us, who will not pass laws that suppress our voting rights. >> kara anderson and judith brown diana's, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it for this very important conversation. still ahead, we will take through the latest developments after donald trump's multiple trials. i will talk about it with democratic congresswoman from texas, jasmine crockett, who will be joining us live. plus, we are still awaiting the expected swap of another group of hostages in exchange for a group of palestinian prisoners. the live report from the region, after the break. stay tuned for more velshi, on msnbc. msnbc. try new robitussin lozenges with real medicine and find your voice. you know? 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