evening now, good we would have more on how she, find what is going on with the hospital with a reporter that you and i both, and who has been to that hospital, and reported their extensively. our own -- that is later on in the hour -- >> thank you my friend, and thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. i want to start tonight with what i think is an incredibly good point made yesterday by a republican congressman, a member of the freedom conch conference. no less here is what texas conservative chip roy had to say, to his colleagues. >> one thing, i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing, one that i can go campaign on and say we did. . one! anybody sitting in the complex, you want to come down to the floor it can explain to me one material, meaningful, significant thing the republican majority has done, besides well, i guess it's not as bad as the democrats? >> congressman roy is correct on two fronts here. first off, the republican -controlled house of representatives has done next to nothing of substance this year. second, the republican -controlled house is not as bad as the democrats, it's much much worse. this is on track to being the least productive congress since the great depression. that is how few actual laws have been passed, they can't even pass the basic spending bills to keep the government running. it is just an endless cycle of crisis and can kicking down the road. so when the history books are written about this congress, what will it be remembered for? will it be remembered for the 15 votes it took for republicans to elect kevin artists beaker of the house? or how just ten months later, he became the first house speaker it american history to be ousted from that role, only to be replaced by someone who most people, including congresspeople, had to google? congressman mike johnson. or, will it be remembered for the fact that disgruntled former speaker kevin mccarthy is now allegedly bodychecking his republican frenemies in the hallways? or maybe, this republican congress will be remembered for the wild hearings they have held to err baseless conspiracy theories. here is louisiana congressman clay higgins yesterday, pushing the idea that the fbi was behind the january 6th insurrection. >> if you are asking whether the violence at the capitol on january six was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources, and or agents, the answer is in fact. ugly >> no. >> you saying? no >> violence, orchestrated -- by >> or agents. >> are you familiar with, you know what a ghost vehicle-less? these buses are nefarious in nature, and were filled with fbi informants, dressed as trump supporters. >> ghost buses. yes, there are plenty of options here for the history books. but there is one story, one member of congress really, that perhaps best reveals the way in which this congress, this republican led congress is less about legislation, less about, work less about actual governance, governance. and really, quite simply just about personal gain. and that is the story of new york congressman george santos. mr. santos rose to fame and congress as a serial fabulist. he lied about his mother dying from cancer, she got in one of the twin towers on september 11th. and, about his grand plan parents fleeing the han holocaust. and, about losing employees at the pulse nightclub shooting, and about being mugged on his way to deliver his rent, and about his roommates burberry scarf that he wore and ironically to a stop the steal rally. and, about being a star volleyball player at a college he didn't actually attend, and all being a producer of the broadway musical spider-man turn on the dark. and, about $3,000 he stole from a veteran's dying dogs gofundme page. george santos lied about all of that. and then, there were the myriad financial crimes that santos was allegedly involved, and everything from ponzi schemes to credit card skimming. and yet, despite all of that, his republican colleagues refused to show mr. santos the door. but, what happened today might finally change that. today, the house ethics committee released its report on santa's's alleged election related financial crimes. and, there are allegedly a lot of them. the house ethics committee alleges that santos got his hands on campaign cash through a variety of schemes, he allegedly pretended to loan money to his campaign so he could be reimbursed. and, created shell companies that his campaign would then pay, for expenditures like ads that didn't actually exist. he also allegedly got people to donate directly to those shell companies, but their donations would go towards helping santos's campaign. and, what the house ethics committee alleges that money actually went towards, is incredible. $6,000 worth of purchases at fara gano. $4,000 worth of purchases from hermes. more than $2,000 spent at resorts in atlantic city. more than $3,000 spent in a week and at the hamptons. an 800 dollar cash withdrawal from an atm at a casino. $1,000 cash is taken from an atm near santos's apartment. purchases on the adult entertainment website onlyfans. and multiple, more than 1000 dollar charges on the campaign debit card for botox. >> nice work if you can get it. now the republican chairman of the house ethics committee says he will file a motion tomorrow to expel mr. santos from the house, it is unclear if that motion will pass. santos himself has not resigned, but he has said he will not seek reelection. he has already been charged by the eastern district of new york with allegations including wire fraud, falsifying fcc records, and aggravated identity fast. but he is has pleaded not guilty to all of those charges. but santos's campaign treasurer pleaded guilty last month, for her role in one of his at alleged financial schemes. and just two days ago, one of santos's former fundraising aides pleaded guilty to a federal wire fraud charge in another alleged scheme of santos's. but as of this hour, george santos maintains he is innocent. and he remains, very much a member of the house republican conference. joining me now is the ranking member on the house ethics committee, which wrote today's report pennsylvania democratic congressman susan wild. congressman, wild thanks for being here. i'm interested to know how complicated it was to untangle these alleged financial crimes, or was it fairly out in the open? well, thank you alex for having me. and, let me just say, the first thing i have to do is give a huge shout out to an incredible staff of lawyers and other staffers on the ethics committee, who have spent months going through and unraveling, as you say, the evidence in this case. it is truly a phenomenal amount of work, and effort, that went into this report. and i am glad that it has now been made public. >> and i encourage everybody to read the report, which is available on the internet. i would love it if you could sort of characterize your thoughts about the scope of this fraud. i mean, to the layperson, it is a staggering amount of deception. but i wonder how you would characterize it? >> well, not just to a lay person, alex. it is a staggering amount of deception to anybody. and you know at the beginning, you mention, you went through a whole lot of his lies that really don't bear on his performance as a congressman, or anything else. but there is also, and you mentioned some of them, a litany of deceptions that were carried out, actual crimes involving sending money to himself fruit shell companies, and to donate to these companies, and lying on his campaign finance reports, and all kinds of things that really, really make him unfit for office. and, i think it is our responsibility on the ethics committee, to first of all, i'm a big believer in good government. i believe that, it makes me sad that americans generally have a poor impression of congress. and let me tell you, people like george santos don't help that situation. so i'm really proud to be on the ethics committee, which by the way is a completely bipartisan committee, an equal number of democrats and republicans. every single thing we get in connection with the santos investigation and the investigative subcommittee, and eventually voting it out of committee so that it would be published, was a unanimous vote of democrats and republicans. that essentially what, because that doesn't happen a whole lot in congress. but,. i think that it is our responsibility not only to the people of new york three, his district, but to the rest of the country, to make sure that people like this are not serving in congress, and not serving in any kind of position of public trust. and that when they somehow managed to make it through a campaign and get elected, that they are ferreted out, and eventually expelled. and that i think is what you're going to see happen, after thanksgiving. >> do you think george santos is going to be in congress by next monday? >> by next monday, yes. because a privileged resolution such as the one that the ethics chairman michael guest, a republican, intends to file. it has to be voted on within two legislative days. congress will not be back in session until the tuesday after thanksgiving. so, i believe. well, tomorrow there is a pro former session, and my understanding is that mr. guest will be introducing that resolution tomorrow, which means by my calculations that it will have to be voted on by wednesday, following thanksgiving. do i expect it to pass? i do. i have spoken to a number of people, who have voted no on prior motions to expel, or to censure mr. santos. all of them are now a yes vote. >> well,. >> and we should add,. let me just add, members of the ethics committee often vote present on such things, because we want to give the appearance of complete -- and that we are not in any way biased against somebody who comes before. us but, the work of the ethics committee is now done, there is nothing more to come before us. and, my understanding is that all of the members of the ethics committee will be voting yes on expulsion. >> congresswoman susan wild, ranking member of the house ethics committee. thank you so much for your time, and the latest on all of this. >> thank you. >> i want to bring into our conversation here, melissa murray, professor of law of and why you, and an msnbc legal analyst. melissa, thank you for joining me, as we pour through which is just a litany of alleged malfeasance, if not outright crimes. from a legal perspective, when you hear about. this i, mean there is a reason we went through all of the insane things george santos live, up and also the substantive, potential crimes. they seemed to, he's a character, it's an indication of his character, the sort of fabiola is a mom that would lead person to allegedly do things that are describing the house ethics report. but from a legal perspective, what are the implications of this, that is all being referred to the doj? >> so as you say, the event diagram here is very strong. you know, a lot of the information that was discussed in this very scathing ethics committee report could translate very easily, into federal crimes. there is already an indictment that is pending against george santos, first for 13 counts. and then there, was an additional ten counts, and a superseding indictment. it is very likely that there could be yet a now they're superseding indictment. it is very likely that there could be questions are raised about campaign finance laws that have been violated, the federal election committee could be involved. so, this goes beyond simply censuring or disciplining, or even expelling a member of congress. like, there are real legal viability exposures here. >> i am stunned by the degree to which. you know, we hear the term campaign finance violation, with some regularity in american. if this is a different order of magnitude entirely. the fact that santos thought, not only tried, but really got away with it, up until this point it seems. i mean, what does that tell you about our campaign finances in america? >> well i, mean we have already seen, we've got the campaign finance system that's broken. we have seen this citizens united, the flood of dark money into our elections. i mean, this is sort of more of the sane same, like a little bit more granular, using campaign finance funds in order to fund your own, especially lavish lifestyle, all that is a problem. but, beyond campaign finance, we should also talk about the way in which we have for years heard the republican party talk about rampant vulgar voter fraud, and electoral front. and here we have an example of actual fraud on voters. george santos won his seat, flipped his seat on these claims that were later, with a little sleuthing, we're determined to be false. that is fraud, on the voters. i mean that is actual election fraud. and now we find out that not only did he lie to the voters in order to gain his seat, he has been actually funding his lifestyle, the ethics committee is found. this and it is very likely that some of this would make its way into a court of law as well. so i mean, that to me is the most damning. if you want to look toward it literal fraud, i mean here it. is >> exactly, look no further than one of the votes that are keeping republicans in power. i do have to, ask in the context of the ethics concerns we have had lately, at the highest echelons of american government. we are talking about clarence thomas and his 250,000 rv loan, the payment of private school for an individual he had in his care. the purchase of his mother's home by wealthy patrons. here you have george santos, running a grift whereby people are diluted and deceiving to believe the money they are sending a forest campaign, when it's really to buy farragut shoes and get botox. >> i mean, how critical is it that. i mean, let me rephrase that. how much can expelling george santos give americans confidence that the system is not broken, it is not rigged, that is not really a remake isn't for grift. >> so i think george santos is only a drop in the bucket. here and expelling george george santos from congress, events finding and convicting him or finding him guilty of any of these crimes, that just a drop in the bucket. it is not going to restore american confidence in congress, among all of the political branches, they have the lowest ratings among americans, although the supreme court is not a political branch, but one that has increasingly seen its stature with the american public fall over this, use for all of the reasons that you suggest. but americans are at the point i think, where there are little skeptical of government. and i think representative wildes's statements were really at, she believes in good governance. i think americans want to believe in good governance as well. this undermines any feeling that government is working for the. people instead, it seems it's working for some of the people, and some of those people may actually serve in congress. >> and she was really drilling down on the notion of this is a bipartisan committee, a bipartisan decision, and it feels imperative that this decision to expel santos -- especially because the supreme court, which you point, out which i have been concerned about, they seem the desire to have the court hold itself to a high, rigorous standard seems to be a partisan decision, in this day and age. >> again, there are lots of partisan concerns here. those questions i think loom large. i also think they loom large over the question of whether not to expel george santos. i mean yes, this feels good in the moment, like he is clearly someone who does not deserve to be in congress, if these allegations are to be believed. but, if we are in the business of expelling individuals from congress, it could easily be turned about to people with whom we don't agree, who make statements until -- and so, i think those who have urged caution and expedient down the expulsion route, i think that's fair and worth thinking about but the. point of the matter is, this is someone who should not have been in congress from the jump, who lied to get their. and now, we are just seeing the sweater has woven, -- that simply unravel before. ice >> i would call it like a giant onesie. and what's better than a sweater and a blanket >> exactly. melissa murray, thank you as always my friend, it's good to see. >> good to see. >> much more tonight, including donald trump's unrelenting attempts to buy more time before he has to go to trial, and the judge who may be willing to help him. but first, what a second trump administration could mean for immigrants in this country, and what might be done about. if i will talk with president biden's principal deputy campaign manager about all that, coming up next. coming up next there are some things that go better... together. burger and fries... soup and salad. like your 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these policies nationwide. joining me now is clinton -- principal deputy campaign manager for president biden's reelection campaign. quentin, thank you for being here tonight. i know the biden campaign has thoughts on some of the trump policies that have been alluded to. i will read a quote from one of the biden campaign press releases today. building massive detention camps by defunding our military to imprison people living in america, is not only un-american, it will actively make us less safe. donald trump isn't just echoing the words of hitler and mussolini by saying he will root out vermin from within, he's planning real action to follow in their footsteps. does the biden campaign feel that donald trump is on the level of hitler and mussolini? >> yeah, absolutely. look alex, thank you for having me on the show. what someone shows you who they are, believe them. we have had for years to see donald trump to bring our country to the brink of destruction, on foreign policy, domestic policy, and now his campaign is clearly outlining what he would do, if you were to regain power in 2025. you know, he is top lending birthright citizenship, mass detention centers by using the military to round of american citizens, in some cases. you know putting children in cages. this is not who we are. and so absolutely, donald trump has proven that he is on the level of hitler and mussolini, by his actions. and again, his campaign is now doubling down, saying that he would do the same things over again if he were reelected president of the united states. and so, the proof is in the putting here. and we americans need to believe donald trump, when he says he would do these things. because unfortunately, he has already been given an opportunity to do them before, and we have to do everything in our power to make sure that he does not get back in the white house to try to do it again. >> how central is this message on immigration going to be to president biden's reelection campaign? and, how concerned are you about some of the polls that show some waning support for the president among the latina population in the united states? >> look, at the end of the day, elections are a choice. our campaign has been routinely pushing back on this narrative around polling, showing that at the end of the day when there is a choice, american voters are turning out to vote for the democratic agenda, under president biden's leadership. we have seen in the 2022 midterms, we sought a week and a day ago, on tuesday. or a week or two days ago on tuesday, when americans voted, winning races in kentucky, closing the gap in terms of republicans and democrats in states like mississippi and ohio, legalizing abortion. and so again, our focus is on making sure we're doing everything we can right now to build a foundation to where we are going to be able to have the most successful campaign heading into 2024. when it comes to this immigration message, again, this election is a choice, and donald trump is showing that he is planning to put in place a divisive, hateful, and harmful agenda for america, by calling for a muslim ban, saying he wants to round people of. these are human beings that we are talking about, this is not leadership, this is not the way you govern, this is the ego of one person who is completely out of touch, who is completely extreme, who is searching for relevance again. and our campaign is when we focused every single day i make sure we don't let him do. that >> i have to ask about sort of the narrative, the messaging and the pushing back. there is a story we were covering yesterday about univision, and how the channel the network, the most widely watched spanish lingual -- is increasingly turning its favor towards donald trump. it reportedly canceled biden adds that resource to be running during its interview with donald trump, it canceled an interview with a biden spokesperson, that was supposed to run after this interview with donald trump. when it comes to getting the biden message out, in this critical year ahead, are you concerned by the actions of a place like univision? >> look you know, univision is a platform that reaches a lot of voters, who care deeply about the issues that we want to put in front of them. and so, we are want to continue have conversations, and make sure we can resolve any issues with them. that is not something i want to litigate out in the press. so, we're going to handle that, in the manner that needs to be handled. when it comes to reaching voters, we are living in a very fractured media environment. it is a different media environment than exist in 2020, it is indifferent to meetings -- that exist in 2022. and it is, could be ever-changing, as we head into 2020. four and, so our campaign right now from the start has been very diligent about investing in testing across the states, that we know we need to win in 2024, in order to get joe biden and kamala harris reelected. and, so finding the best messages, finding where we can reach the most voters so that when we get into next year, we are able to maximize our effectiveness at reaching voters. and this is something by the, way that the republican party, no other party right now is doing and working. and this is not something that you are just going to be a parachute or balloon in 2024 and think you're going to reach voters in the media by. our campaign is going to keep our head down, continue to do the work to make sure that we are using every platform and media outlets available, to reach voters where they are, and deliver the message that joe biden is working on a agenda to -- to keep america safe, in stark contrast with the republican party, who is hell-bent on continuing to rip away a woman's right to choose, giving tax breaks to big pharma and the wealthiest among us. and so, that's where our focus is, and that's what we're going to continue to proceed into next year. >> and i know you folks have been reaching out, especially to communities of color, specifically black voters in this country, latino voters in this country. that is part of an early initiative that we have heard reporting on. i've got to ask about the presidents support among black voters. 22% of black voters, this is according to polling, and i know we are not supposed be relying too much on, but it is a snapshot of the american public at this moment in time. 22% of black voters in six swing states choose trump over biden. and kamala harris, before ms. better than joe biden in a head to head matchup against trump, due in large part to her support among voters who are either nonwhite or under 30. can you talk about that? why is that, and what is kamala harris's role in the presidents reelection strategy? >> well, this is the biden harris reelection campaign. they ran together as a ticket, and that is how they are running this time around. so, they are not gonna get caught up in any kind of traps to try to separate the president and the vice president, that is not happening. the agenda that has been ran, and successfully accomplished for the american, people and all of the things that the president has done, the vice president has been by his side. and we are going to message those, and that includes creating nearly 14 million jobs, seven billion hp use, 8000 manufacturing jobs. capping the cost of insulin at 35 -- but the more black women in the federal judiciary than any other administration. all other administrations combined. and so, that is where our focus. as you know, when it comes to black voters, i have routinely said that black voters are not monolithic, this is not an audience that we take for granted whatsoever. it is also not an audience that we believe we are just would be able to parachute into their communities next year around september and october, and to say, if you turn out to vote, that you were to vote for us. we know we have to earn the support of that committee, and we are keeping our head down and doing that, every single day. which is why we have common, and tried to treat both black voters and -- as persuadable targets, that we know we need to have sustained conversations, with over the course of the next year to make sure that they turn out vote, and that they turn out to vote for joe biden and kamala harris. and again, this election is going to be a choice. and when the choices put in front of these voters, we have seen time and time again, in spite of any polling that has come out, that they vote democratic for an agenda that is being presided over by joe biden and kamala harris. >> not taking any votes for granted, not parachuting in. quentin -- from the biden campaign, pleasure to have you on the show, thank you so much for your time tonight sir. >> thank you alex, i appreciate it. >> when we come back, a series of decisions by the federal judge overseeing donald trump's classified documents case has legal experts wondering, what is going on here? plus, a federal 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disputed that he committed the assault. the defense teams argument was that depape should not have been subject to federal criminal charges, that he didn't do what he did because of nancy pelosi's actual job as a federal official. instead, the defense argues that depape did it because of a conspiratorial belief that nancy pelosi was part of a larger plot to quote, manipulate the country, to spread lies, and to steal votes from donald trump. depape himself took the spent the stand this week, and spoke for more than an hour, recounting how his political leanings went from left to right wing, after he read a comment on a youtube video about former president donald trump. depape testified that his plan was to get pelosi, and other people he considers targets, including tom hanks, mike pence, and governor gavin newsom, to admit to their corruption, and eventually to get president biden to pardon them all. now david depape may represent the extreme, paranoid end of the spectrum here. but, he is part of a broader trend towards violence among our american citizenry, and among our american leaders. earlier this week in georgia, and alabama man appeared in federal court to be arraigned on charges of allegedly making threats against fulton county d.a. fani willis, and the fulton county sheriff, for their roles in the prosecution of former president trump. the man pleaded not guilty. also this week, also in georgia, another man made his first appearance in federal court on charges of allegedly making threatening calls to the office of pro trump conservative firebrand marjorie taylor greene. he allegedly said he wanted to shoot green in the bleeping head, and threatened her family. on tuesday, the building housing the office of the kansas secretary of state was evacuated, because of a letter containing a suspicious substance. that followed a number of similar instances over the past few weeks, in which letters containing white powder, including in some cases fentanyl were sent to 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>> the first thing i think of is back in 2008 when i was based on the gaza strip and i would go to the al-shifa hospital to report frequently on all kinds of stories. these allegations that these rallies have been making have been making literally for 15 years. you can go back to 2008 and see israeli officials making the same statements that al-shifa hospital was being used by hamas as a command and control center. sometimes they would call it the headquarters. they would say that's where the prime minister at the time would be hiding. and all i can tell you is, based on my reporting there for years, i've been there hundreds of times, walked around all of the complex of the shifa hospital, never once had anyone interfere with our reporting telling us you can't go here, you can't access that. that was one. and to, i think it's important for viewers to understand that a lot of the doctors who work at al-shifa hospital are foreign doctors, meaning they are volunteer doctors, they come from the uk, from sweden, from the united states. many of those doctors as well, and we hear the language sometimes that the doctors and hospitals are run and controlled by hamas, but the truth is these doctors are americans, europeans, certainly no allegiance to hamas whatsoever. and they have spoken openly about what they have seen and how they were never denied any access to anywhere in the hospital grounds for them to be able to go and see for themselves. that's not to say it's not true. i'm just saying it has been 15 years of these allegations. hundreds of reporters who have passed through those hallways, hundreds of doctors, including local and foreign doctors, who have come through their, and never substantiated by anybody outside of the israelis and now the americans. >> the president was asked point blank about the intelligence he had, that al-shifa hospital was hamas headquarters. he said clearly in a press conference yesterday hamas does have headquarters weapons, material below this hospital, and i suspect others. the u.s. is very out front on this. and it feels like a lot hangs on the idf's ability to show that this in fact was a hamas headquarters. this feels like an incredibly waited moment for all of us. i wonder what you make of biden's strategy so far. >> as a journalist, where is the evidence? where is the intelligence? i'm old enough to have remember 2003 and the whole weapons of mass destruction debacle in iraq. so i err on the side of caution when it comes to governments and intelligence officials saying here is the proof and we're going to war for this proof. again, it's not to say that it's not true. it's just simply to say, we would need to see what that evidence is. and israel would have to make a compelling case. they have not been in control of al-shifa hospital for the better part of 48 hours going on to 72 hours tomorrow. what we have seen so far raises a lot of questions as to how they have described it. again, they described it as a hamas headquarters or command and control. the language has shifted a bit from command and control to a, as admiral kirby said earlier, a node, a commanding control node. i'm not sure what the destruction is. but it seems like a slightly down graded description of what's inside. it also raises questions, what we've seen, on what israel described as its intelligence failure on october 7th. just a lot of questions that i would be looking at with a more cautious i before running into the conclusion that the israelis and americans are sending. >> it's also coming as the biden administration ties to calibrate its response more broadly to israel is this war progresses. you have john kirby, with our colleague, chris hayes today, saying it's impossible for israel to totally eliminate a mass. you have biden saying, full supportive once full support of israel but the only solution is a two straight solution. that's not something that netanyahu has proposed lately. >> the ministers are against. that they're openly against a two state solution, and they are saying that privately and publicly. prime minister himself, although he has in the past committed to a two state solution, it is not something that this israeli government is prepared to talk about anytime soon. we have heard this from a lot of israeli officials that the two state solution is not a feasible option. frivolity of reasons. but it's certainly not going to be the one that's gonna be on the horizon anytime soon after everything that has happened here. >> a remarkably complicated movement as gaza is plunged into a humanitarian nightmare of epic proportions. >> as you mentioned, with a complete blackout, now the united nations passing the security council resolution calling for a cease-fire and a release of the hostages, and we are now in uncharted territory, you could see that. >> and you can watch ayman weeknights on, we can lighten msnbc. that's our show for this evening. at this time to the last word, with lawrence o'donnell, good evening lawrence.

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