>> president biden with a little self-deprecation about his age. >> somebody feeling good after that win. >> tuesday will do that for you. that was during a speech to united autoworkers yesterday. the president seeming to preview his 2020 campaign, including attacks on donald trump. speaking of the former president, he seems to be confirming reports he plans to get revenge on his critics if he wins a second term as if anyone had any doubt he would. we'll play those comments for you. meanwhile, democrats are sure to lose a key seat in the senate next year with joe manchin of west virginia announcing he will not run for re-election. also ahead this morning, we'll go through the major development out of the middle east. israel agreeing to daily humanitarian pauses in gaza to get some of that food and that aid in. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, november 10th. with us today, we've got the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. congressional investigations reporter, jackie alemany, sam stein, white house correspondent for politico, eugene daniels. he's a former white house director of communications for president obama. jennifer palmieri is coast of "how to win 2024," and "the circus" which has its final episode this sunday. full house this morning. great crew assembled on a friday. joe biden is now in full campaign yesterday with a little bit of swagger to him. >> and willie, if you notice, like, if you noticed my shot, he's so excited about it being such a big show, he parked a ford bronco about 10 feet ahead right here, and you'll notice it's reflecting off of my glasses right now. t.j., you can turn the bronco lights up. he's got the high beams up. look at this. i tell you what. thank you, t.j. i don't really know where to go from there. i'm going to have to take my glasses off. look at this. >> we'll figure it out. >> what? i'm on the road to demascus here. i've already seen jesus. thank you. that's a better shot. so willie, you'll notice that there's, like, sort of a new spark in joe biden's step in that first of all he's going after donald trump finally. i mean, going after him by name. he's also -- he's running ads, talking about how -- just telling the truth, talking about manufactuing in states where it really matters, and he does seem very confident about what happened on tuesday night and why shouldn't he feel confident? again, he's always second-guessed. people are always doubting him, and time and time again, he exceeds their expectations. if there seems to be a spring in his step, there's a good reason. >> yeah, and coming out of ted cruz -- tuesday night. remember, there was a poll that com out and shook the democratic party and talked about alternatives to joe biden. give it 48 hours and democrats sweep to victory on tuesday night. that is why you saw some confidence in part for president biden as he was in campaign mode at a fund-raiser in chicago last night. he touted his administration's success claiming credit for those democratic big wins in several races this week. andy beshear of kentucky won on quote, running on programs that were all biden initiatives and the president also calling out donald trump by name. something he's been reluctant to do previously. at the fund-raiser, biden told donors trump has, quote, the only reason abortion is banned in america and he's running to end democracy as we know it. biden congratulated the union while wearing a local captor t-shirt and slammed the former president and republicans for not doing enough for autoworkers. >> the entire uaw proved what i've always believed. wall street didn't build america. the middle class built america, and unions built the middle class. let's think about this. when my predecessor, the distinguished -- anyway. [ laughter ] >> we know. >> here's the difference. when you are in the middle of a fight, i stood and others stood with you shoulder to shoulder on that picket line. my predecessor went and attacked you. i hope you guys have a memory. where i come from, it matters. the truth is if you hadn't listened to him, thank god you didn't. >> something you have been talking about for weeks now, the white house and campaign going right at donald trump, and really this is a two-front fight that he's looking at. it appears anyway which is number one this issue of abortion which obviously was so critical to those wins on tuesday and have been critical to democratic wins for last 16 months or so, and also the question of democracy, the two "ds." this is a guy that if elected, we know what he's going to do. we know what comes next. we know he's going to tear down the institutions because he already tried to do it the first time around. >> yeah, and no doubt. we have data that actually democracy matters to people. as a campaign issue, it matters to people. there are a lot of really smug people on the left and the right going into the 2022 election going, oh, this idiot. this old man, he's talking about democracy. he's talking about abortion. abortion's only polling at 5%. we heard it. everybody was mocking and ridiculing him. democracy matters. we have the data. not from polls, from actually elections, the 2022 election, the 2023 election. time and again, the people who actually admitted that the elections weren't rigged in 2020, that the elections were legit, they do better than the liars do, certainly in swing states, but the two other issues yesterday that i think joe biden touched on that's going to really give us insight on what we're going to see the next year, and certainly going to be donald trump's worst nightmare. one is abortion. donald trump, i killed abortion. i killed roe v. wade. i'm the one that made sure roe v. wade ended. he's been saying it nonstop, and this lie that somehow now he's trying to tack to the middle, only in front of certain audiences. he's still saying it out there, and it's on tape so much, i think -- i think it's going to be like a fighter in the middle of the ring and i think they're going to keep going to the body with it and keep pounding people talking about the fact that donald trump's proud of the fact that he's the guy responsible for 10-year-old girls having to flee the state of ohio after they were raped by an illegal immigrant and had to flee the state. that's happened across america, and women have been facing horrific health care choices, bleeding out with doctors going, we can't do anything. we -- why can't they do anything? why can't they take care of women who are bleeding out who need help? because of donald trump, and donald trump's admitted it. so that's part one. part two, this election is won in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. he just keeps hammering on manufacturing. he just keeps hammering on jobs. >> yeah. >> and he's doing things that actually obama and clinton and other democrats didn't do. he's not a new democrat. he's not. >> right. right. >> new democrats by the way have bled all that support away. he's an fdr democrat, and he's reconnecting with that incredibly important strand of democratic politics, and i think it's paying off. >> so on both of these things -- so on abortion -- plus, also he said that women who had abortions should be punished. there's also that. >> right. >> i was there on the night of the debate, and talked to some of his team after the rally and they have no idea what to do about abortion, you know, i said, wow. kentucky, virginia, ohio seems pretty tough for you all. what are you going to do about abortion? they said, we think, we need to have a more moderate position. the more moderate position -- the 15-week ban, that got trounced and that notion was trounced in the virginia legislative election. i'm not sure what you are going to do. plus, he's up on stage saying how proud he was to have been the guy that stopped roe, and, you know, the tuesday elections were so -- my big takeaway is people are willing to -- people are on alert and they're turning out, whether it's abortion or democracy, or the economy, you know, they are alert and ner turning out. it's like the fall of '22, and on the point about manufacturing and the sort of economic achievements that are going to resonate in those american states, i was in lansing on tuesday with gretchen whitmer, you know, she's gotten a lot done. joe biden's gotten a lot done. she has a high approval rating. biden's is not. she's constantly communicating on achievements and accomplishments and, like, whether it's tiktok or news conferences, and that's what you see biden amping up now and we've got a year to do that, and, you know, they've got an incredible story to tell. >> and, you know, that matters. that certainly matters for young voters. >> yeah. >> you look at -- unfortunately on college campuses, some of the twisted views about hamas. that ain't coming from law professors or history professors. it's coming straight off of social media. so it's a battle that needs to be waged, a battle for ideas, but, you know, when it comes to young voters, abortion's going to matter. the fact that young women don't have the rights that their mothers and grand mothers had for half a century, that's going to matter. donald trump though, here's the good news though for republicans. donald trump, he's gone to the center. he's now saying, oh. we could make everybody happy, and it's so great. i'm so happy for him because if i were running against him, i would show this. >> president trump is going to make a determination what he thinks is great for the country and what's fair for the country, but the fact that i was able to terminate roe v. wade after 50 years of trying -- they worked for 50 years. i've never seen anything like it. they worked and i was even -- i was so honored to have done it. well, i did something that nobody thought was possible. i got rid of roe v. wade, and by doing that -- [ applause ] by doing that, it put pro-lifers in a very strong negotiating position. nobody did a job like i did, including roe v. wade, bringing it back to the states. what i did by killing roe v. wade which everybody said was impossible -- >> okay. jackie, donald trump said -- just wondering how this is going to play from voters 18 to 29. the ones that joe biden's supposed to be losing. i'm so honored to terminate roe v. wade, donald trump says. he brags time and time again about saying, i was the one who killed roe v. wade. i mean, this may be one time where donald trump shouldn't have taken all the credit because no matter what he says -- well, first of all people know he was the one to kill roe v. wade and makes 10-year-old rape victims flee the state to go -- so they don't get state-sanctioned abortions, but those around bragging about killing roe v. wade. i have a feeling that's something we're going to hear from the biden white house every day because this issue of abortion, i think it's -- i think it's probably the worst political issue since watergate for republicans. >> yeah, and i think what you are seeing republicans try to feel out is having it both ways, being able to tout overturning roe v. wade, but now being able to encourage others in the party to take a re -- a softer rhetorical tone, and even in the rnc autopsy last year or i guess when -- after the 2022 midterm. i'm losing track of the midterms. >> yeah. >> encouraging republicans to be able to speak about the topic more eloquently, be able to communicate with women that they were sort of missing the boat in that conversation, and that by avoiding it completely, they were allowing democrats to own the issue. >> how do you do it more eloquently? we passed laws that allow 1849 total bans in wisconsin to stand. it's hard to dance around that. >> at the end of the day, the republican nominee can't control the state legislatures that are passing these trigger laws and total bans. this was a big point of contention in the speaker's race. people who were meeting with mike johnson privately who has been one of the most -- supported some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country and was in favor of a national ban previously, they had republicans asking him to ensure and promise him he wouldn't bring a national ban to the house floor because that would put them in an impossible position and that's a losing issue. you're going to see republicans i think coalesce around this message of, this is a state issue, but, you know, as we're seeing the way all these states are acting -- >> right. >> that's not really working out. >> it doesn't work. it's a state issue because the states have been so extreme. it's not like jeb bush and mitt romney are governors like they were, you know, a decade ago. they've got people that are saying, how low can we go? how extreme can we get? and, you know, all they do is they keep electing democrats. >> i mean, what voters are telling us is it's not a messaging issue on abortion. it's a policy issue, right? it's not that they want republicans to talk nicely about abortion or pick later time periods. that's not what voters are telling us over and over and over again. they're telling us that the policy is the problem, that they don't want the government telling them what they can't have abortions, that the right was taken away from them. >> right. >> this is what democrats have been saying, and it's true. that's exactly what happened. a right was taken away from americans and they don't like that. it's not believable to americans or anyone paying attention that the 15 weeks would work because some states are doing 6 weeks and trying to ban it completely. they're showing the struggle of having this conversation. nikki haley, the best on it for republicans to say it's not possible to have a national ban on abortion, but the other guys on that stage, most of them have talked about a six-week -- so at the national level, the conversation is completely different. >> they can't help themselves. they really can't. you've got donald trump running around saying, i'm so honored to have terminated roe v. wade. >> actually uses the word terminate. >> i'm so honored to have terminated roe v. wade, and you have ron desantis who right now, you know, probably second place, certainly the guy whose name is out there the most. he signed a six-week ban. i mean, you know, we've heard the term worse than watergate. oh, this is worse than watergate. joe biden tripped on a sandbag. worse than watergate. everything is worse than watergate. abortion is an issue, let's just say it, worse than watergate because abortion rights, it's undefeated. it's like the rocky marciano of political issues. can't get beaten. >> you know, the traffic on the way over here was worse than watergate. literally. >> i know the new drawbridge they put in right on i -- >> next to the infrastructure bill. >> is that why you were late? >> i'm sorry. no. you're right. abortion is not -- >> do you know what you're saying right now? >> well, i haven't said anything yet. >> exactly. it's five minutes. >> you know what? the beginning of that sentence was worse than watergate. i will say -- i will say this. i mean -- >> what were you saying? this windup. woof. the pitch is coming. willie. i'm sorry. you got the longest windup in baseball. go. >> the anticipation. abortion is -- it's a messaging issue. >> yes. >> it's also a freedom issue. it's a rights issue and that's how democrats -- democrats have been pretty deft in kind of expanding this into an issue of not only just reproductive freedom, but look. republicans are actively coming in and taking away things that you could count on that were your -- that were your rights, that were something -- >> for 50 years. >> for 50-plus years. >> americans, we do a lot of things really good. what we don't do well is let the government take away a constitutional right. >> correct. >> that we have had for 50 years. we're not really good at that. >> no, and to jackie's point,i mean, yes. politics in some ways -- the nature of politics is to try to have it both ways, and when you are trying to pivot from a primary audience where most people and most of the politicians out there who actually are, you know, thinking about these things, are in silo districts where they're trying to not be primaried, you talk a certain way, and it sort of becomes a race to the bottom where you can do the most radical thing and then general election voters make that impossible. >> let me just say, sam, the problem with that list is that even in states that are swing states, they're doing stupid things. i mean, a six-week abortion ban in florida. i know florida really well. floridians, they don't like the six-week abortion ban. some right-wing freaks up in tallahassee may, and maybe, like, right to life and the lobbyist groups whose job it is to push them, maybe they like them, but all these people that came down from new york and connecticut and new jersey, came down because they like low taxes and they like government, like, out of their, you know, out of their pocketbooks, they also want government out of their bedrooms. >> right. >> that's something that, again, i'm still not sure how florida is going to respond to a six-week ban. we've already seen how wisconsin has responded to a total ban of abortion. they're not -- they're just not self-correcting. >> yeah. i mean, mark eventually got there. >> he's pretty good. >> which is there's something -- >> can i just say this? >> yeah. >> he walked the bases full, right? >> then struck out. >> then struck out the side. >> an adventure. >> there is something to a lot of voters that is not conservative about what happened here, right? the government coming in saying, no. you can't do, x, y, and z, and i think that's why for a lot of conservative resonance. they don't want the government saying, no. you can't do this. the other thing is we've kind of discussed this. the optics of a number of men more or less going around -- >> old. old. i'm sorry. let's just say, old, white legislators. >> right. >> who like they're out of, like, you know, some movie. >> i don't think it's an accident that nikki haley's found the most compelling message among the republican primary crowd. for a lot of voters, especially woman voters, it's offensive to see old, white men craft these laws and other thing i'll add is the way they've gone about this, has worsened the problem. in ohio, to sneak in an initiative, we'll raise it from 50 to 60 and making sure they would stop the ability for voters to be able to cast ballots on whether to legalize and codify abortion rights. that is a process point that i think does go to the larger issue which is voters think they're trying to have some conservative world view imposed on them and i think they're revolting. >> they're revolting against that and you've got a speaker now who's about as extreme on abortion as anybody, and he's also said that men doing what men do in the privacy of their bedrooms will help western civilization collapse. this is so intrusive. >> right. >> he is so beyond where 80% of americans, 90% of americans are. i tell you what. i don't know americans who are saying, i want to manage what goes on in the bedrooms of con consenting adults. >> you talk to republicans not johnson and they're saying, we're not trying to do a national ban. that's crazy, but they elected someone who wants a national ban and they find the messaging obviously misleading and that's part of the problem. >> and there's mission here too i have to note. at the end of the day, you have republicans -- national republicans saying, you know, please don't put a national ban on the floor. we probably would vote against it, but the incentives are such so far when there have been these smaller provisions that have been brought to the floor, for example, just a few months ago this amendment in the national defense authorization act that would ban the funding of travel for service members who needed to travel out of state to get abortions, republicans -- some of them decried it and then voted against it. >> look what tommy tuberville is doing right now. >> this is an abortion stance he's taken and affecting the military. this is seeping into things that are not just abortion. >> yeah. >> it's going to affect everything. >> so willie, 23 minutes into our a block, we've talked about one of the issues biden is going to handle. i ask everybody, go to 270 to win and do your map, and just assuming that biden's going to end up winning that one nebraska district in omaha, give him wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan. then find a way for donald trump to get to 270. you can't because, you know, trump can win north carolina. he could win georgia. he could win arizona, and nevada, but if biden wins those three states, he's got 270, and that's why this manufacture -- first of all, his record on manufacturing, that's why it's so important, and secondly that's why he's getting that message out. >> he is, and before i get to that, joe, i want to credit you as the manager for leaving leebovic out there, and he turned to him and struck out the side. >> i'm telling you, willie, i started doing this. i almost went to my southpaw and i was, like, hey. >> in the day of analytics, you would have pulled them. >> i'm old school. get those boys out of here. i don't want your laptops. let's keep old tried and true in there. my got us out of it. >> you were up on that top step and wisely got out of a jam. >> sparky lyle, on the side. damn it, go ahead. let the kid try. he did. good for you. >> let's leave him alone and get back to manufacturing. how about that? the biden campaign as you said they're out with a new ad going after donald trump's record on manufacturing to your point about those critical states. the 30-second spot aired last night during thursday night football. >> he says he stands with autoworkers, but as president, donald trump passed tax breaks for his rich friends while automakers shuttered their plants. the u.s. lost manufacturing jobs. joe biden said he'd stand up for workers and he's delivering, passing laws that are increasing wages, and creating good-paying jobs. manufacturing is coming back to america because joe biden doesn't just talk. he delivers. >> so jonathan lemire, a new ad just out that premieres this morning -- actually, it aired last night during thursday night football. it was the panthers and bears, so maybe not a lot of people saw it. this is the real rollout, but let's talk about the strategy here going after those key states that joe just talked about that clearly are again, going to decide a presidential election. >> yeah. that was the theory of the case behind joe biden in 2020. that's the blue wall. pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, states with manufacturing, states with a lot of working class voters. the states the democrats will win cycle after cycle until donald trump stole them in 2016. so therefore, joe biden was perceived as the best candidate to get them back, to build back that blue wall, and he did. margins were close, but he won, and they've spent -- this white house and the biden campaign shop have spent an extraordinary amount of time in the last three years focused on those states. the president has been to pennsylvania more than any other and michigan and wisconsin as well a bunch. though he was in illinois next door talking about union workers and manufacturing, and taking direct swipes at donald trump, and we have been reporting all week about how this was -- this has been an internal debate in the biden camp. they thought the gop primary field would take more shots at trump. they didn't, and they're now ramping up their own attacks and drawing that contrast with trump particularly on manufacturing and let's recall of course, that biden stood with those workers on the picket line a few weeks ago while trump did so at a non-union shop. this is about exhibition and saying our manufacturing plans are working. it's about the electric vehicles, yes, but also about targeting those voters that though union leadership breaks with biden, some of the union members we know has gone with trump. this is a direct appeal with them to kind of keep wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania in his column this time around. >> you know, willie, speaking of that game last night, whoo! rough start for bryce young. jack and i keep cheering for bryce. he had a good game a couple of weeks ago, but panthers now 1-8, but what a story out of chicago, the kid at qb. >> yeah. he came in. justin fields, their star quarterback who they drafted number one a couple of years ago, he got injured. this new guy is in, and you had bryce young, the great rookie quarterback out of alabama. it was going to be a long season. that's a very, very bad team. they got one win. they're 1-8, but trevor lawrence was on a very, very bad team a couple of years ago and pretty soon had them in the playoffs. we will hold out hope. still ahead this morning on "morning joe," jim clyburn's endorsement of course, helped to propel joe biden to the presidency in 2020. the south carolina democrat joins us to talk about biden's re-election plan next year. plus, israel agrees to daily pauses in its offensive in gaza. we'll have details on the white house role and negotiations for aid to civilians there and to free more hostages from hamas. also ahead, jason sudeikis joins us to talk about his annual thunder gong charity event. we'll look forward to that, and we're told now up here in the broadcast booth, mark lebovic coming out in the second inning after finding his stuff in the first. 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>> some have made the comparison. >> my -- everything you need to know about my governing is in the bible. no, not really. no because i didn't see anything about lying in the bible, and since you kind of got to power on the strength on the big lie, going through the gospels, i can't find it, but jackie, republicans have said -- excuse me. the headline. they won't even listen to jesus. so if they won't even listen to jesus, then how in the world are we going to see anything different than kevin mccarthy? >> well, i couldn't reach jesus for comment. >> exactly. >> but -- >> by the way, they brought up jesus. they were the one who is brought up jesus. we're just -- we're following through on that, so yeah. they say even jesus can't save them, then how are they going to get this work done? >> so, you know, i feel like i don't have a great prediction right now of whether or not they're definitively headed for a shutdown. >> right. >> but -- and i don't think speaker johnson and his team have an idea -- a realistic idea of that either. it would seem all signs are pointed towards that because we are having a repeat of last month. >> right. >> where a clean -- a continuing resolution seems like the only path forward at the moment to avoid that, and that is something that as you just noted speaker mccarthy got kicked out of his job, but there is a difference here which is the good will and the popularity that mike johnson has and the fatigue. >> right. >> we're going to now -- next week will be ten weeks. >> that's so important. >> of house lawmakers coming back to d.c. every single week. they want to be home with their families and they're sick and tired of arging about these muggy, closed-door meetings and plated late-night dinners and they'll be here until 11:00 p.m. >> you're a big fan of washington. i can tell. >> every night. and, you know -- >> too much. >> speaker johnson's also just figuring things out right now. he doesn't even actually know what he wants according to our reporting. he's still trying to survey the conference to get a better idea. he's thrown around this idea of a ladder continuing resolution which just means some provisions that will appease hard-right republicans who want to, you know, balance the budget and, you know -- >> right. >> -- make major cuts to government agencies. that's not realistic and not going to get through the senate. >> not going to get past that. it's just not. >> even at the end of the day, if they do get through that, it remains to be seen what they send back. >> you say jesus may not do it, but the poor quality of d.c. pizza may? >> the poor pizza. so it's incredible that they've got the majority. they can't pass the basic bills. they can't do the basic tasks of governing, and now you know with the extremists, not the conservatives, theradicals, you know anything that passes through the house will be too extreme for the senate. so where do we go from here? >> the foundations haven't changed, right? within the conference and the house republicans. we haven't had an election and a bunch of people who, you know, the boeberts and the gaetzs have been kicked out. they're still there mucking things up and more importantly, they don't see -- it's not that they believe in small government. >> right. >> often they talk about basically no government like not wanting government to do anything, and you have these incentive structures as such and they say, we don't want to do it and that's it. i will say in the white house, they also agreed that the good will that johnson has is probably good for everybody, that, you know, if he does a cr, he's not going to be kicked out immediately, but the question is how does that happen? we only have seven days and what we wrote, the headline after playbook is the possibility of us sleepwalking into a shutdown, right? things move too slowly and doesn't happen, right? president biden will be at aape and he has to come back, and the senate is staying and doing something. there's not a structure that makes a lot of sense. is it a short shutdown or -- >> right. >> is there one at all? >> how much -- i just don't know how much more the republicans can handle of this. politically, jen, it's just a nightmare for them. harry truman was supposed to get crushed and he ran against the do-nothing republicans in congress and it revived him. they went from mild harry to give them hell harry. there's a winner. here, i mean, the campaign speech writes itself, doesn't it? >> and either they're going to be do-nothing -- we want government to function so, like, we want the government to stay open. we don't want the republicans to be so tied up in knots. either they do nothing and that's bad for them politically or they're passing bills that are going to be very unpopular, you know, led by a very -- by speaker who once america gets to know him, and i'm sure everybody will make sure everybody understands who mike johnson is, by the time they get to next year's election, that will be really unpopular. there's just -- whether they're just -- whether they're just locked up because they can't get anything dong or they're passing things that are going to also hurt, you know, particularly their moderate republicans. they're just, you know, and they put themselves in this position. >> so mark, take this last -- let's call it a week or so, starting with that "new york times" siena poll that caused the freakout among democrats, looking for alternatives to joe biden then 48 hours on tuesday sweeping wins for democrats. you saw the president with a little life in his step yesterday, hammering donald trump on manufacturing, talking about abortion and talking about democracy. what is your sense of the way democrats are feeling an joe biden right now, but really that joe biden is feeling a year out from the election? >> by the way, willie -- by the way -- so leibo walks back onto the mound next inning and he's staring. he's not even -- i'm, like, dude. stare at the camera, right? i turned around and look, and i mean, i guess it's just so upscale here. they've hidden the camera. >> it's hard to speak. >> it's hard. it's, like, hidden somewhere back there, and he can't find the batter's box. right? >> there it is. >> he's looking over at manager. he's going, pitch. >> what was the question, willie? no, no. >> just stare into the void, mark. stare into the void. >> it comes naturally to me. i would say that -- the question was -- okay. to sort of pivot here, how do democrats feel? >> at the end of the show, we're going to have a vote on the worst guest performance in the 16-year history of "morning joe." >> we love you, mark. we love you. >> i'm going to say -- listen to this one. democrats are -- i would say that tuesday's elections was definitely a boost for democrats. the question is, is joe biden going to benefit from that, and look. democrats are nervous. there's no question about it. i hate to give a shoutout to the bedwetters. these polls, the last few weeks they're accumulating. there are a lot of them that you can't talk to democrats without sensing a lot of nervousness, and yeah. maybe abortion, you know, was a huge issue in ohio and kentucky. democrats had a good day, but, you know, like you said before, i mean, joe biden is not a new democrat. he is an fdr democrat, and voters are not buying this, at least if you believe these polls. so -- >> what about the elections? i mean, democrats -- democrats have been extraordinary -- they win in kentucky. right? they win in kentucky. they exceed all expectations in virginia, all expectations. >> true. >> and ohio, the reddest of red states, 54% of men in ohio voted against the republican position. >> the question is, does that go to joe biden's benefit at some point when he's on the ballot? if donald trump is on the ballot, we've seen there's a whole different set of turnout expectations, of just models by which, you know, states like pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin, you know, could go because i mean, it's a whole different ball game as it was in 2020 where trump, you know, got a lot of votes, 2016 obviously. it's a presidential year. >> trump underperformed republicans in one swing state after another after another. >> trump wasn't on the ballot though. >> no. i'm talking about in 2020. >> oh, okay. >> in wisconsin, he underperformed republican candidates. as ron johnson said accidentally by 60,000 votes in georgia and other things. donald trump underperformed and that was before january the 6th. that's before he said he wanted to terminate the constitution. that was before 91 counts. people are going, oh, it doesn't matter. yeah, it does. an indictment is an indictment is an indictment, and maybe a year out, it doesn't, but seriously -- i'm just -- i'm not directing this at you. i'm just directing it at people that are now writing articles going, well, it was an historic night for democrats, but it won't accrue to joe biden -- whose party is it? it's joe biden's party, and the very fact he's not a new democrat, that he's an old fdr democrat, that wins wisconsin. that wins michigan. that wins pennsylvania. that wins the white house. >> he -- okay. first of all, the polling is not showing this. i mean, joe biden is extremely unpopular. i hate to say it. >> like barack obama in 2011 losing to mitt romney. >> okay. you can do that, but -- >> i can do that, and i can say jimmy carter was losing to ted kennedy by 30 points the year before. >> democrats and independents didn't want barack obama to run. 65% don't want joe biden to run and they're explicitly saying they don't want joe biden to run. we think he's too old. that is unpress dented. >> are you a bob seager fan? i know it's late. i know you're weary. >> don't include you. >> still here we are. >> both of them. >> both of them scared as hell of donald trump, and when they go in and see donald trump's name there, i'm sorry. i don't think people that voted against him in 2020 are going to vote for him in 2024. >> there's two issues here though. i agree with both of you. if you have viable -- >> what are you? harold ford jr.? >> if you have viable third-party candidates -- rfk is taking what? >> he's taking more from trump. >> yes. >> jill stein's talking about coming in. >> not really my aunt. >> thank god. >> you have the no labels. we saw -- >> can i ask you, is jill stein going to be speaking in russian or english in this campaign? >> if it gets her the .5% does it really matter? then you start having other factors and to mark's point for biden and i would be curious -- if you were in the white house and you see these polls and see the greatest vulnerability he has is age and stamstamina, ands not getting younger, how do you combat that? >> crosstraining. swim. >> men's health. >> shirtless men's health. exactly. willie, i think that's the key. you joke about it. i tell you what i would do. i would show a picture of donald trump golfing, and i would say, you guys are talking about health? you're talking about age? i mean, you take it head-on. you joke about it like he did last night. i thought last night was fantastic. somebody falls down and he's, like, it's not me. he walks around and starts joking about it. you go straight into it and you look at the other guy and you're, like, you guys are talking about -- he thinks he's running against barack obama. he's, like, a drugged out rock star. he's, like, thank you, detroit and he's in scranton. he doesn't know where he is. he's got to go to it. he's got to run to it, joke about it, and have events like he did yesterday. >> yeah, he did it last night. that vote you saw last night was no accident. it's just that donald trump doesn't find it flattering of himself. you're seeing some of that. you have a guy in donald trump as republicans talk about the decline of joe biden who's on the stage discovering in realtime that us also spells u.s. or u.s. is also us. he just realized that. he's working it out in realtime. >> what did you say? >> the word "us" is also u.s. or vice versa or something. >> what are you saying about us? >> you take out the periods and they're the same word. >> okay. wow. >> yeah. >> that's amazing. so donald trump just figured that out. >> changes everything. >> the point being, watch donald trump's rally the other night from start to finish if you can. think about who's more in decline. mark leibovich, your performance will leave you at the end of the day. it's only 10% of your grade. don't worry. >> thanks, guys. >> thanks. >> let's keep it on leibovich just a second too long and make him uncomfortable. dead silence. >> i'm comfortable. desantis. >> okay. >> thank you, mark. coming up next, congressman jiem clyburn today will file official paperwork for the biden/harris 2024 campaign in south carolina. he joins us next. plus, the decision to relocate the headquarters of fbi to maryland, and one virginia senator calling for investigation. we'll speak to wes moore for his take on that and much more. you're watching "morning joe" on a friday morning. more you're watching "morning joe" on a friday morning right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. my name is marie. i'm 49 years old and i'm a business owner. i own a lemonade and ice cream shop in florida, so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i'm still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i'm really, really happy with the results. it's still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. in a crisis caused by a terrorist massacre. warning civilians to clear out, while hamas forces them back. allowing in food and water, which hamas steals. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. ♪♪ we have great benefits from principal. so i know i'm taken care of. and not just me. but the ones who matter most to me. ♪♪ vice president kamala harris will join assistant democratic leader congressman jim clyburn this morning to officially submit the biden/harris ticket for the south carolina presidential primary which you'll remember now is first on the democratic calendar. congressman jim clyburn of south carolina joins us now. he's a national co-chair for president biden's re-election campaign. congressman, it's always great to have you on the show. so tell us a little bit about what we can expect today, and what you are looking at in the state that of course, was so pivotal and you so pivotal for joe biden's nomination and eventual election to become president of the united states. how does it look right now a year out for the president there? >> well, first of all, thank you very much for having me. well, south carolina is a bit different. we are very critical to the nominated process. it'll be different coming the general election, but i will remind people that it was the winner of the south carolina primary that is gone on the democratic side and most especially that has gone on to be successful in this general election in the last several campaigns. so we are going to run on the record of joe biden. i think that if the people were to look at the success this campaign has had, such as in kentucky this morning, also people were advocating for a candidate who was joe biden. the fact of the matter is the success for kennedy ran on joe biden's program. it's the same thing for the house, rhode island. a young man ran on joe biden's record. in fact, he was a part of the administration. he resigned from the white house, run in a special election . about a dozen people. he ran on joe biden's record and finished on top of it. he's going to be sworn into congress on monday evening. we are going to run on the record. the substance is there. people are hung up on the south, but the substance is what really matters in a campaign. >> congressman, i understand that, you know, in terms of the president's re-election to run on the record and that's going to help other democrats as well, what about running on -- in opposition to the house republicans? do you see -- what do you expect is going to happen on the possible shutdown? do you see not for dysfunction, but do you see that speaker johnson is going to be a big focus of democratic campaigns in 2024 as well? >> oh, absolutely. we're going to draw the contrast. we're going to have a contrast between joe biden and whoever the republicans put up. we democrats are going to run on the record that we have established of putting people above politics. i don't think it was just a slip of the tongue or the finger that caused speaker johnson to say what he did about not putting people over politics. we believe that is who and what he is. we are all about running on the record of what we've done for the people of this country, what we've done for their families, and what we've done for the communities that they live in, and so that is going to be the record. join that contrast between joe biden and whoever the republicans put up, and between democrat and whoever we are running against for the country. >> jim, it's always great seeing you. >> thank you. >> i need to get to south carolina. we need to go to lizard's thicket again sometime soon. >> absolutely. >> it's been too long. i see these polls that suggest donald trump is going to get 22%, 23% of the black vote and i just -- i laugh. i don't think it's going to happen. i'm not sure what's going on right now, and why right now that's showing up in the polls, but you look at unemployment for black americans. it's lower than it's been in quite some time. there's a good record for joe biden to run on, but right now he doesn't seem to be connecting as well with people of color. we're -- we're a year away, but that 22% -- i mean, do you believe that joe biden's doing that poorly among black voters? >> absolutely not. let me tell you what you are seeing there. people are focusing on some of the unfinished business. sure, i'm disappointed as any other black person that we have not been able to renew the voting rights act, but we are going to show why. why haven't we done it? because this conservative maga leading supreme court has desecrated the voting rights act and we have not been able to get the republicans in the congress to renew it, and so a lot of white people are disappointed that that has not gotten done. a lot of black vote are disappointed that we were not able to renew that part of the rescue plan and the child tax credit. that is very important. so when you ask the polling information, that's what they give you. no. i'm dissatisfied we have not done these things, but when it comes to the general election and when we lay out what we've done and what we've proposed to do, and compare that to what the republicans have done and what they are proposing to do, you'll see joe biden get in 92 -- at least 92% of the african american vote in the general election. >> all right. assistant democratic leader jim clyburn of south carolina, thank you so much, jim. always an honor to have you with us. >> thank you very much for having me. >> all right. see you soon. wouldn't you agree with jim that at the end of the day we're not going to see donald trump pull in 22% of the black voter? >> i don't think so. i was just in south carolina with my family and they have been there forever, and that's not the feeling that i get when you are there, but it doesn't mean that joe biden doesn't have a problem, right? >> right. >> the congressman just laid out how disappointed they are, and when you juxtapose that with president biden going to these manufacturing states and talking to mainly white supporters. >> right. >> mainly white audiences, you have black voters looking at that and saying, okay. but what about the things that disproportionately affect us? why were you able to focus on infrastructure, but you couldn't get the things that you promised us? that is something he's going to have to deal with and more importantly the black voters. black cousins are disaffected in a certain way. it's difficult to see if it's donald trump how the republican party is 20% of that. >> it would be hard to figure out. by the way, joe manchin making waves yesterday saying he's not running for senate, and that he could run for president. watch. >> after months of deliberation and long conversation with my family, i believe in my heart of hearts, that i accomplished what i set out to do for west virginia. i've made one of the toughest decisions of my life and decided i will not be running for re-election to the united states senate, but what i will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there's an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring americans together. >> a listening tour. >> a listening tour. a lot of people read into this that this could be an exploration of a presidential campaign. he's been rumored to be one of the folks that no labels is looking at and if he were to launch an independent bid, that certainly likely would not go well for president biden. we would expect the race to be close. >> has the white house been talking to him? have they been trying to -- >> the white house has been. they were lobbying him to run again. they have been talking to him in recent weeks to run again for west virginia. he opted against that. it would have been a tough race and many felt he would have lost. this isn't any other democrat. the senate is not bothered, but there is a concern if manchin were to run, and if he were going to do that, he's involved in a pac and he's long talked about wanting to do that, but there was manchin/romney chatter and the more candidates that jump in potentially more problematic it is for him. >> if you are in the white house, you want it to -- everything that congressman kbliern is saying applies here and what you were saying. if you are in the white house, you want a contrast. of course, you have a record to sell to voters, but fundamentally the way you motivate them is you create a contrast. you say it's me or trump and few don't vote for me, you're going to get trump. that becomes harder to do with more people in the race. it's no longer one-on-one contrast, and manchin would be pretty bad in the white house i'm not going to say calamitous. you would figure something out. rfk, it's trickier. he might pull some from republicans. he says don't compare me to god. compare my to the alternative. >> the alternatives, most of them are democrats and rfk jr. who looks like he's taking away from trump, and jill stein talking about jumping in for the green party and now joe manchin talking about the possibility of a no labels ticket or let's just say a lot of people talking about the possibility of joe manchin on no labels. >> jill stein cost hillary clinton wisconsin and pennsylvania. these things matter, but the whole -- the notion of a joe manchin-centrist middle campaign is so preposterous to me because americans have a chance to support a centrist. his name is joe biden. he's the current president of the united states. he's right down the middle of what mainstream america supports. the agenda he is advancing for 2024 is right down the middle, like, a big majority of americans support his position on issues. there is no need to have someone else who's going to try to capture the middle, and if there was a ground swell of support for joe manchin to be a candidate for president, you would have seen it. this is not something you concoct in a laboratory in washington, d.c. this is the kind of, you know, it comes up from the grassroots and that's not what's happening here. >> that 2024 senate map already very difficult for democrats, and now this seat gone although john said, people thought it was going to be a tough road for him anyway. jen palmieri, thank you so much. we'll watch the final episode of "the circus" on sunday on showtime. how do you feel? what an incredible run for you guys. >> i'm so proud. this is an important time in american politics and i feel like this show just with the quality of editing, the quality of camera work and, you know, we did a decent job in analysis, it just really honored the struggle that everyone's been through in american politics. we're super proud of what -- and grateful too for being able to do that for so long. >> well, you should be. we're not ready to say good-bye yet. that show's too good. maybe it finds another home. >> stay tuned. >> sam stein, eugene daniels, thank you both. we appreciate it. coming up here, while foreign policy crises dominate the white house, donald trump's national security policies are not primary concerns for what he needs to win over the voters. plus, bob woodward joins the conversation in washington when "morning joe" comes right back. 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let it happen. let it play out and see where the chips fall. on the other hand, you have president biden putting some pressure, apparently successful on prime minister netanyahu to have these daily pauses now to get humanitarian aid into gaza for the civilians of gaza. >> right. we're going to add this to the bizarre -- the long list of bizarre things donald trump has said from praising hezbollah to now saying, eh, let them kill each other and see how it ends up. also there was a bizarre moral equivalency there, frank. >> yeah. >> he talks about how palestinians hate israelis and he said, probably the other way around there too. let's just let it play itself out which is literally donald trump saying, let them kill each other and we'll figure out who's on top. >> it's the cycles of violence and who cares? it's a direct contrast to the way joe biden has approached this. biden's own design has infused his approach to everything, his criminate to israel. it's deep-seated and real and then there's the psychological acuity that has also informed his approach that he also understands the psychology of a people who have just been attacked and the sympathy they need and also the ways in which you build up emotional capital and trust, and then you spend it when you want to accomplish your strategic objectives. >> right, and sending antony blinken all over the middle east, having your national security adviser jake sullivan, working around the clock, calling everybody else. actually, biden's doing the exact opposite of just kind of letting things out play themselves out. i mean, that's -- you talk about chaos. that's telling netanyahu, bomb anybody any time, any where. hamas, you do what you want to do and we'll just come at the end after everybody's been shot up and killed. it's insanity. >> president biden is exerting a lot of political capital in this, and a lot of time on this. not just secretary blinken, to frenetic diplomacy and arab leaders. we're seeing these pauses. it didn't go as far as the americans wanted, but the israelis are taking into account, but we have a new poll out and i have to say when you look at israel, ukraine, china, all this political capital the president is using, it ranks in terms of important issues far down the list, 3%, 1%. for americans next year, it comes back to the economy. >> it does, andou look at the numbers and ty- the numbers are down. you look though, susan, though, at what happens. americans may say that, but when things go sidewa and say, afghanistan, suddenly joe biden's numbers plummet. right now it's not on the poll because he's managing a lot of things at the same time and doing it pretty well in my opinion. >> you know, if you ask americans what matters most to you, they'll say the economy almost always, but you look at the political cost for president biden now and his stance toward israel. you see it with the demonstrations on college campuses. i saw it at gw yesterday. you see it with the division and the party in congress, and joe biden's position on this, his alliance with israel and also pushing for humanitarian aid for the palestinians is pretty clear, but it is creating some real problems for him in terms of keeping support for the most liberal democrats and those who tend to be more concerned than older democrats. >> we'll get back to that. college campuses -- >> yeah. >> what i hear, what i see, it's absolutely shocking. >> yeah. >> it's absolutely shocking, the anti-semtism, and by the way, if you are against benjamin netanyahu's policies, i'm with you. i'm against benjamin netanyahu -- that doesn't make you anti-semitic, but going around and talking about, like, from the river to the sea, talking about wiping out israel, talking about no two-state solution. >> yeah. >> like having jews run in fear. i mean, a jewish student. i'm not going to name the institution, puts up a kidnapping poster and is effectively canceled on the college campus. >> right. >> i promise, people don't understand how extreme the anti-semitism is for jewish students on these campuses and what you'll hear is social security not so great for muslim students either. we need to protect muslim students, but i go back to what the director said. 60% of the hate crimes last year directed towards jews who make up 2% of the population. that's only gotten worse. first of all, when are we as a country going to examine what the hell we've been teaching our students that they can be so influenced by lies they see on tiktok? >> yeah. >> secondly, what are the university presidents going to do to protect jewish students on campus? i'm not talking politics. i'm just talking about protecting jewish students on campus because they're not doing a good job of it, the elite college campuses. >> you're absolutely right. i think the inert response from college administrators in the face of -- >> still by the way. still. >> in the face of flagrant anti-semitism independent of everything that's happening in the middle east because one of the things i've noticed happening on college campuses, i have -- i have a daughter who just started college. i have actually been talking to leaders of jewish institutions on campus. it's the ways in which participation in normal religious ritualized jewish life has become stigmatized whereas it's equated with normalizing the occupation when it has nothing to do with the occupation, and that to me is the very definition of anti-semitism. when going to a shabbat dinner on campus or belonging to a hillel on campus, somehow that makes you a normalizer of the opposition or a handmaiden of netanyahu. that is anti-semitism. >> jewish students being jewish. >> yeah. >> they're targeted for anti-semitism. jewish students practicing their faith on college campuses are being targeted, anti-semitism on social media, on public platforms. we've bubble wrapped our students for the past 20 years and said, we need to save space. i feel uncomfortable. i need to save -- it's such garbage. jews though, if you are a jew, there is no safe space and the very people who were preaching, i need a safe space because you said something that just -- it upsets me, they're the very people that are chasing jews. >> ironically the liberal jews have been raised in a tradition of social justice and want nothing more than to be good allies in the struggle for justice in the world, and they're being told that unless you take this position on palestine which is a fairly radical position on palestine, they're you're not welcome into this broader coalition. >> i've got to say too, and it's horrific. also students that are not act i have -- actively denouning israel -- i know this first hand. students not denouncing israel are being attacked. for not actively attacking israel or actively attacking jews. for not putting up on social media to the sea, they're wiping it out. >> even a two-state solution, if you are talking about a two-state solution, that's now considered to be extremist. >> it's this collapse of the liberals moving on campus. one of the things that i find most troubling, and this does happen to muslim students as well. the rise of violence, the episodes of actual physical assaults that are being registered across the country, which -- >> yep. >> and even on college campuses i think is -- i mean, what more do you need to know? >> bob, we have been talking about college campuses. >> i know. >> we have been talking about more unrest on college campuses. we have been talking about war. i feel like we all need to go home and watch ken burns '1968 documentary on the vietnam war. you said it. a lot of echoes of 1968. >> many. a couple of things. first of all, trump. i've spent seven years on trump and i have been thinking about the work and what i discovered, and i realize his time as president is a series of nervous breakdowns and to call it a breakdown doesn't do it full justice. it's also clear that his campaign now is also another nervous breakdown, and you can't do it any other way, but i said to you that i want to talk about the ukraine war. >> mm-hmm. >> it seems like, oh, wait a minute. that's not important. it is. i think we've lost the thread on this. i think it is in our national interest to make sure that that war goes well. we now see a situation where republicans are running against ukraine which i think is -- somebody needs to bring out their ronald reagan. something ronald reagan would not do, and the real benefit we have -- i've worked months on this, and of course, you know when you work months on something, you realized you discover in the subterranean world facts and information that are not out, and what really -- what i -- for me, is the headline, joe biden is personally managing the ukraine war. frank's nodding. he is so involved in the day-to-day, and realizes that what the billions of dollars in military equipment we've given the ukrainians is not something that putin likes, but biden is very careful to not make it a mano a mano. they have done a spectacular job on this war, and if you look at his national security group, it is stunning, the involvement they have and precision and i mean, biden is calling people, cabinet officers, jake sullivan, the national security adviser all the time. what are we doing? have we got this plan? jake sullivan -- i'm sorry. mika's not here about national security advisers, but jake sullivan who's 46, turns out to be maybe one of the most powerful national security advisers. >> you were going to say one of the most powerful and best advisers since dr. brzezinski, i'm sure of it. >> i was going to say sometimes dr. brzezinski as we know couldn't get the secretary of state on the phone in the case of jake sullivan. this is so interesting. he writes cabinet memos in his own name to the cabinet because the president has told the cabinet by the way -- >> right. >> you make sure that you listen, that jake sullivan is kind of command central on this. i've done 16 national security advisers. >> i would say this, bob. if dr. brzezinski were here, he would say, yeah, and i outlasted cy vance. >> that's exactly true. >> let's talk about jake sullivan for a second. i want to follow up on this. i've heard from world leaders. i've heard from their aides. i've heard from from ambassadors across europe and the middle east, the same thing. how's blinken doing? they go, oh my god. he's so great. he know what is to say. he knows what to do. what about jake sullivan? they just say, the guy's incredible. he calls up. he says, here are the five things that need to get done. tell me, what do we need to do to get these five things done? he ticks down the list. it is so unusual to be talking to world leaders and ambassadors and talking to their aids, and instead of having them talking about how this secretary of state did this wrong or this national security adviser was arrogant or whatever, they all get the strongest, most positive remarks unless you get the remarks of china, russia, and north korea. or the ayatollah. >> so bob, i kick it back to you on that. how extraordinary -- how exceptional is that because we've seen secretary blinken even just in the last month shuttling around the middle east, yes, in israel, but also going to all the other arab countries to try to lock down their support and to tamp down what's the uprising that's happening there, talking to egypt about opening the border to get humanitarian aid in there. how different is what joe just described than what you have seen in the past? >> it's all done with the direction and the participation of the president, and that's what's not known. yes, blinken is an extraordinary diplomat. what he has done, you know, i don't know how he lives, but some day, somebody's going to do a book called "travels with tony" because he has been everywhere multiple times. again, one of these -- when you can spend months on a book you again, learn things that are not conventional wwisdom, and one o the strongest players in the national security group for president biden, is the secretary of defense, lloyd austin. a true hero. sgh right. >> and somebody -- i was asking somebody at work closely, why doesn't he like to step out and be prominent and be the voice of the administration? >> right. >> the answer was, he's a gentleman. imagine hearing that. think about lloyd austin. he served in the iraq and afghanistan wars in positions. one-star, two-star, three-star, four-star. that's like somebody here on your show, starting out as an assistant producer, becoming the producer, becoming the show-runner, and then -- >> right. >> then throwing you out. >> it's kind of like bob, me, falling off a turnip truck right outside at 30 rock and somebody dragging me into the studio. that's what happened. it's incredible. no. it's unbelievable. >> so this is something that's working. now -- >> yeah. >> on particularly the ukraine war. very well, it -- again, think about this. there are no u.s. troops involved i this. >> right. >> this is not vietnam. >> right. >> this is a war that vladimir putin started. >> right. no u.s. troops and yet, annmarie, you look at what's happened and actually the russian military's been gutted, yes? they're in defensive positions and they're doing well now, but bob talking about the people that joe biden has around him, it reminds me of bush 41. they had colin powell and all these people that american hs -- americans had high opinions of. >> he can get it for $0.75. >> exactly. >> it's a great book, and, you know, and going back to harry truman where, you know, you had incredible -- you had a general marshall and all these people. >> the crazy thing talking about the national security adviser and the great job he's doing, and we were talking to ken thomas, a "wall street journal" reporter, and he reminded us, he was running the domestic policy campaign. like in ather national security advisers weren't able to do. >> a lot of people feel like jake sullivan doesn't sleep. >> i don't think he does. >> but yeah. what this administration is dealing with, is multiple conflicts around the world, and also trying to deter potentially one from happening in asia pacific. that's taking up all the capital and oxygen in the west wing to focus on this, which is why you see them working really around the clock, whether it's international trips like the one secretary of state antony blinken is about to return from, or is it constant phone calls that jake sullivan has directly with his counterparts or even above those people in other countries. i covered russia and ukraine, and they're doing the job and picking up the phone calls, and when you look at polling -- >> right. >> it is very difficult for this administration. it seems like it's difficult to get the message across to the american people about why they should continue to send aid to ukraine. which is why you see republicans in congress faltering. >> they're happy with what the president is doing in israel. to your point, to gen z and the youth, more should be done in protecting palestinians as well. that's a key part. >> a president having tried to understand about ten of them, he has to decide what's really important, and sometimes it's not part of the public noise, and what's happened -- will you let me persist on this, joe? >> bob, i don't think i have a choice. >> all right. go. but this is so important from the ukraine ambassador here, and an amazing woman herself. he gave a book out of what goes on in ukraine during the war and this is a picture of a ukraine. soldier. somebody who is wounded, somebody who's doing the v, and the republicans are trying to say, oh, no. let's not waste money on him. he is fighting for the freedom in ukraine, his own country, but he's fighting for our freedom also. >> he's also fighting for the freedom of people in taiwan. president xi, susan, is watching this closely. it's not some theory. it's the reality. china is watching to see. if putin can get away with invading a sovereign country and the united states gets bored and lets putin have his way with ukraine, that is a green light to xi to go straight into taiwan, and, you know, i said that at the beginning of the war and people pushed back on it. let me just say, those people are living in an alternative reality. china's watching. xi is watching. iran is watching. the world is watching. are we going to have the courage to defend our allies or not? >> you said a phrase. you said if the united states gets bored, and i think that's one of the things that happened with ukraine. united states and americans. >> reporter: very much supportive of ukraine after the russian invasion and as the ukrainians showed so much courage in fighting the russians, but the united states got bored and then something act and october 7th grabbed the attention of united states for israelis who endured what happened. they're moving onto what's happening on the gaza strip and it's a dilemma that modern presidents face more sharply than presidents did before we had the kind of instantaneous communications. >> i completely agree. i was reading -- because i'm a dork, i was reading i think an old "life" magazine. >> who among us have not done that? >> it was from, you know, maybe july or august of 1944 after the d-day invasion and i wanted to sort of see what, you know, how the press was handling it and they were critical. they were saying, you know, why is it taking so long? why aren't they moving faster? why did people sacrifice their lives? it was -- it wasn't what you expected, but then i thought, oh my god. if there were cable news then, it would have been 24/7, like, eisenhower's a loser. fdr doesn't know what he's doing. he's too old and enfeebled. this is going sideways. it's that second-guessing that makes it impossible. it doesn't matter who the president is these days. there's going to be the second guessing and that's why what bob said is so important. maybe it doesn't light up the poll right now, but it matters in the long run. >> but the republicans are trying to politicize this now and say, oh, no. let's not give this -- i'm sorry, you know -- >> no. >> have you ever lived week after week in a trench? have you ever gone around where you had to find the mind they won't kill? >> right. >> these -- this isn't -- there are tens of thousands of people. >> may i see that for a second? >> yes, you may. >> frank, we'll finish with you. do you know who thinks about this guy all the time? other than joe biden? chairman mccaul, a republican. >> yeah. yeah. >> you also have the chairman of armed service committee. you've got a lot of house republicans, and a hell of a lot of senate republicans that think about this guy and his comrades every single day. i just have a feeling if there's a battle between the radical back benchers and chairman mccaul and the leaders of the house republicans, this guy does pretty well. >> it's one of the untold stories which i'm sure will appear in bob's book, but there has been this kind of covert almost alliance between mcconnell in the senate and mccaul in the house and the white house to keep the aid packages moving. joe biden in a meeting in early march in the first week of the war said, you know, the biggest problem that i will have here and the ukrainians will have is that at some point, public in the west will get tired of this war. >> that showed that. >> also especially in western europe. they're also dealing with higher inflation prices and people are starting to wane. >> one of the things he has had to figure out is how to pull the country through this war where he knows he's battling the clock. he knows that he's battling the fact that sacrifices have been made on behalf of the ukrainian cause in the form of higher gas prices, in the form of -- in europe, because of sanctions, the higher costs of food, and that's, i think, the test in a way of political leadership. >> okay. i just -- in my ear, i got shut the ef up. >> nobody said that, bob. >> it was wrap up. >> that's what they meant. >> final thought, bob? >> you know, the final thought is they really ought to make a statue of this guy and put it on the lawn outside of congress and let them look at this. what they are doing, they are -- the idea of fighting a war like this with no american troops -- none. >> right? >> none, zero, everything. biden gets when all of this is examined, i think a kind of remarkable hidden hand in -- >> right. >> -- in one of the most important things going on because our freedom hinges on this. not just ukraine. >> history will report that. the question is whether it'll be reported over the next year and a half. bob woodward, it is great having you. nobody said any such thing in your ear. thank you so much for bringing the poll as well. and frank foer, you are tree to go to your children's teachers. >> i have to go to a parent/teacher 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is owned by that noted while the action is not inherently inappropriate, it is exceedingly rare in his words. joining us is democratic governor wes moore. it's great to see you as always. >> good morning. >> how do you respond to what director wray said there, that he thinks there was a conflict of interest and that the panel's decision that the fbi headquarters should be in virginia should have been honored? >> i think the reason that the gsa is pushing back so aggressively is they ran a thorough -- they ran an over decade-long and a very transparent process. the gsa was very clear about their citeria and they have five criteria. one is cost. what's the best deal for the american taxpayer? two is going to be proximity to transportation assets so people with move in and out. the third is where is a site that's ready to build right now? the fourth is going to be equity and the fourth is proximity to quantico the training facility. million dollar won on four of the five criteria. the only criteria we did not win on was to quaic because it's in virginia. we couldn't have won on that criteria, i think this has been a vy thorough process. it is a big deal for the state of maryland, but importantly, it's a big deal for the american taxpayer and our law enforcement officials who deserve a world class facility and they do not have one right now, and maryland is going to provide it for them. >> so governor, you have the democratic senators from virginia, mark warner and tim kaine calling this into question as well. senator kaine thinks this should be reversed and put it in virginia. are you confident that the new fbi headquarters will be in marynd? >> the state of maryland is going to build a world class facility for the fbi, and our law forcement officials deserve it. you kn, just last week, willie, a piece of concrete almost fell on an fbi employee. that's the building they're in right now. if people go to the fbi building, there's literally netting around the building 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this year's show takes place tomorrow in kansas city, and jason joins us now along with the executive director of the steps of faith foundation, billy brimble. >> you two have been buddies for 25 years. going back to kansas city. for those who don't know about thunder gong, what do you do it and what do you do it for? >> the simplest way of explaining it is we are helping people buy arms and legs so they don't cost an arm and a leg. a lot of folks are uninsured and their insurance companies don't cover, you know, an amputation or losing a limb and replacing it, and we're trying to, you know, be the middle men and women that help make that happen, and have a little fun while doing it. >> it's such a great cause, billy, and if you can, talk about steps of faith and your personal connection to this issue. >> that's what steps of faith does. we help amputees that have no health insurance or no prosthetic coverage. some don't cover it because it's not deemed medically necessary. i lost my left leg above knee to cancer, so sarcoma when i was 28, and i lived to tell the tale and i had insurance, and was able to get one. even then they weren't going to do all they needed to do, and jason did a fund-raiser for me in 2006 to get the money to get the leg i needed. it's kind of a fire that doesn't go out for me because i'm one of the -- i have been one of the people that steps of faith helps. >> billy, i think it's important that everybody understands at this point that you're a founder of the yacht rock band, summer breeze which has been softly and gently soothing the jangled nerves of people in new york city in 2006 and 2007. beyond that, i want to hear about summer breeze. that's why we're all here, but beyond that -- >> right. >> talk about the fact that you have actually raised $2.1 million. this is really making a massive impact in people's lives. >> kbraep i mean, you know, jason and i getting together to do thunder gong for all these years now has dramatically changed the game for steps of faith. raising money is hard, especially when it doesn't involve, you know, puppies or children. people don't like to think about disabilities and even the word amputation, it's, like, oh, you know. so being able to get together and get our friends and raise all this money, honest doing the things we love to do most. we met doing improv, and playing drums together and it's an authentic, organic, fun thing for us and i'm so thankful. we ran out of money many times the year that we did the first thunder gong and i went to jason and i was, like, can you help me? we're trucking right along. >> jason, can i ask you, what is summer breeze? what's the song that they just nail? what's the best cover? >> boy, oh, boy. summer breeze is here. what do i -- they made fun of it last night, but it's a jam. the pina colada song. >> of course, it's that. come on. >> thanks so much for being here. it's shocking to hear health insurance for so many does not cover prosthetics especially as numbers are shocking. 2 million americans are in need of one or amputated in some sort of way. can you talk about the difference about having a prosthetic and not having one and what that does for one's quality of life? >> yeah. i mean, it's not just physical. it's not, like -- i remember people were, like, oh, you lost your leg and you're a drummer, like, you use all four of your limbs. it's, like, yeah. i also use all four of my limbs in everything i do. when you are born, what are the first milestones, you know? it's like saying your first word or taking your first steps and then you don't think about walking again until you can't, and so it not only affects physically, of course, but mentally, spiritually, financially, and it's this whole, like, you know, layers of how it affects financially. if i didn't have a prosthetic leg and wasn't able to work and wasn't able to support my family, you know, it's a really deep thing, and it's ridiculous that steps of faith should have to exist that there needs to be a charity to do this kind of thing, but that's the world we live in, unfortunately. so i'm thankful that we're here to help people out. and thank you for the warns of the situation. it's great to help people, you know, and people going to the website, et cetera, and this is a thing that's happening out there, and, you know, insurance companies could maybe look into this themselves if they happen to watch "morning joe." >> i think some of them do, and it's absolutely crazy, susan, that they don't cover this as medically necessary. >> i mean, it's very american, i think. that this charity is trying to address a need, but is there a debate with involving insurance regulators or the federal government or the people who set standards for what is deemed medically necessary so that you don't need to have a charity, have a concert to raise money so that somebody who's lost a leg or an arm can get a prosthetic device? is there even a consideration of that? >> yeah. that fight is ongoing at all times. there are a couple of different organizations, you know. some of them are prosthetic industry related. so the doctors that go to capitol hill all the time and be a resource for amputees, and also has an office near d.c. i have been to capitol hill many times. i troo to two every year to basically fight for this kind of common sense, and a lot of it is insurance fairness for amputees which is basically saying, a private insurance can't say, that seems expensive to we're not going to cover it. >> tell us a little bit about the event itself this year. who's going to be there? we've got my brother from "saturday night live," and some people from "veep" and "ted lasso," and flying in from london herself is hannah wattingham. she crosses over from musician. not just comedian or actor and then we've got kevin morby. >> who else? >> nathaniel. he's an amazing country artist who can sing his brains out and then we have the backup band, you know, the best in town. summer breeze. >> it's a great night where the rock stars can pretend to be comedians and vice versa. >> hopefully with a lot of steely dan. thunder gong takes place tomorrow at the uptown theatre. if you can't get to kansas city tomorrow, visit thundergong.com and also steps of faith, foundation, wonderful, wonderful cost. jason sudeikis and the executive director of steps of faith. thank you both. have a blast tonight. >> thank you so much for having us back. >> thank you. >> we'll see you soon. the third hour of "morning joe" starts right now. >> bhern workers are ready to work harder than anybody else, but they just need to be given a shot. a fair shot and a fair wage. that's not too much to ask. you okay? i want the press to know that wasn't me. [ applause ] >> president biden with a little self-deprecation about his age. >> feeling good after that win. >> tuesday will do that for you. that was during his speech to united autoworkers yesterday. the president seeming to preview his 2020 campaign including attacks on donald trump. speaking of the former president, he seems to be confirming reports he plans to get revenge on his critics. if he wins a second term, as if anybody had any doubt he would. democrats are sure to lose a key seat in the senate next year with joe manchin of west virginia announcing he will not run for re-election. also ahead this morning, we'll go through the major development out of the middle east. israel gleeing to daily humanitarian pauses in gaza to get that food and aid in. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, november 10th. with us, we've got jonathan lemire, congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post", jackie alemany, sam stein, white house correspondent for politico eugene daniels. host a senior contributor and former white house director of communications for president obama, jennifer palmieri. she's co-host of the msnbc podcast "how the win 2024", and the co-host of "the circus." a full house for us this morning. a great crew assembled on a friday. >> if you noticed my shot, t.j.'s so excited about it being a big show. he parked a ford bronco about 10 feet ahead right here, and you'll notice it's reflecting off of my glasses right now. t.j., you can turn the bronco lights up. yorn where to go from there. i have to take my glasses off. look at this. >> what? i'm on the road to demascus here. i've already seen jesus. thank you. that's a better shot. so willie, you'll notice that there's, like, sort of a new spark in joe biden's step in that first of all he's going after donald trump finally. i mean, going after him by name. he's also -- he's running ads, talking about how -- just telling the truth, talking about manufacturing in states where it really matters, and he does seem very confident about what happened on tuesday night and why shouldn't he feel confident? again, he's always second-guessed. people are always doubting him, and time and time again, he exceeds their expectations. if there seems to be a spring in his step, there's a good reason. >> yeah, and coming out of tuesday night, remember, there was a poll that com out and shook the democratic party and talked about alternatives to joe biden. give it 48 hours and democrats sweep to victory on tuesday night. that is why you saw some confidence in part for president biden as he was in campaign mode at a fund-raiser in chicago last night. he touted his administration's success claiming credit for those democratic big wins in several races this week. andy beshear of kentucky won on quote, running on programs that were all biden initiatives and the president also calling out donald trump by name. something he's been reluctant to do previously. at the fund-raiser, biden told donors trump has, quote, the only reason abortion is banned in america and he's running to end democracy as we know it. those comments came after the president spent the day in illinois meeting with united autoworkers. biden congratulated the union while wearing a local captor t-shirt and slammed the former president and republicans for not doing enough for autoworkers. >> the entire uaw proved what i've always believed. wall street didn't build america. the middle class built america, and unions built the middle class. let's think about this. when my predecessor, the distinguished -- anyway. [ laughter ] >> we know. >> here's the difference. when you are in the middle of a fight, i stood and others stood with you shoulder to shoulder on that picket line. my predecessor went to a non-union and attacked you. i hope you guys have a memory. where i come from, it matters. the truth is if you hadn't listened to him, thank god you didn't. >> something you have been talking about for weeks now, the white house and campaign going right at donald trump, and really this is a two-front fight that he's looking at. it appears anyway which is number one this issue of abortion which obviously was so critical to those wins on tuesday and have been critical to democratic wins for last 16 months or so, and also the question of democracy, the two "ds." this is a guy that if elected, we know what he's going to do. we know what comes next. we know he's going to tear down the institutions because he already tried to do it the first time around. >> yeah, and no doubt. we have data that actually democracy matters to people. as a campaign issue, it matters to people. there are a lot of really smug people on the left and the right going into the 2022 election going, oh, this idiot. this old man, he's talking about democracy. he's talking about abortion. abortion's only polling at 5%. we heard it. everybody was mocking and ridiculing him. democracy matters. we have the data. not from polls, from actually elections, the 2022 election, the 2023 election. time and again, the people who actually admitted that the elections weren't rigged in 2020, that the elections were legit, they do better than the liars do, certainly in swing states, but the two other issues yesterday that i think joe biden touched on that's going to really give us insight on what we're going to see the next year, and certainly going to be donald trump's worst nightmare. one is abortion. donald trump, i killed abortion. i killed roe v. wade. i'm the one that made sure roe v. wade ended. he's been saying it nonstop, and this lie that somehow now he's trying to tack to the middle, only in front of certain audiences. he's still saying it out there, and it's on tape so much, i think -- i think it's going to be like a fighter in the middle of the ring and i think they're going to keep going to the body with it and keep pounding people talking about the fact that donald trump's proud of the fact that he's the guy responsible for 10-year-old girls having to flee the state of ohio after they were raped by an illegal immigrant and had to flee the state. that's happened across america, and women have been facing horrific health care choices, bleeding out with doctors going, we can't do anything. we -- why can't they do anything? why can't they take care of women who are bleeding out who need help? because of donald trump, and donald trump's admitted it. so that's part one. part two, this election is won in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. he just keeps hammering on manufacturing. he just keeps hammering on jobs. >> yeah. >> and he's doing things that actually obama and clinton and other democrats didn't do. he's not a new democrat. he's not. >> right. right. >> new democrats by the way have bled all that support away. he's an fdr democrat, and he's reconnecting with that incredibly important strand of democratic politics, and i think it's paying off. >> so on both of these things -- so on abortion -- plus, also he said that women who had abortions should be punished. there's also that. >> right. >> i was there on the night of the debate, and talked to some of his team after the rally and they have no idea what to do about abortion, you know, i said, wow. kentucky, virginia, ohio seems pretty tough for you all. what are you going to do about abortion? they said, we think, we need to have a more moderate position. the more moderate position -- the 15-week ban, that got trounced and that notion was trounced in the virginia legislative election. i'm not sure what you are going to do. plus, he's up on stage saying how proud he was to have been the guy that stopped roe, and, you know, the tuesday elections were so -- my big takeaway is people are willing to -- people are on alert and they're turning out, whether it's abortion or democracy, or the economy, you know, they are alert and ner turning out. it's like the fall of '22, and on the point about manufacturing and the sort of economic achievements that are going to resonate in those american states, i was in lansing on tuesday with gretchen whitmer, you know, she's gotten a lot done. joe biden's gotten a lot done. she has a high approval rating. biden's is not. she's constantly communicating on achievements and accomplishments and, like, whether it's tiktok or news conferences, and that's what you see biden amping up now and we've got a year to do that, and, you know, they've got an incredible story to tell. >> and, you know, that matters. that certainly matters for young voters. >> yeah. >> you look at -- unfortunately on college campuses, some of the twisted views about hamas. that ain't coming from law professors or history professors. it's coming straight off of social media. so it's a battle that needs to be waged, a battle for ideas, but, you know, when it comes to young voters, abortion's going to matter. the fact that young women don't have the rights that their mothers and grand mothers had for half a century, that's going to matter. donald trump though, here's the good news though for republicans. donald trump, he's gone to the center. he's now saying, oh. we could make everybody happy, and it's so great. i'm so happy for him because if i were running against him, i would show this. >> president trump is going to make a determination what he thinks is great for the country and what's fair for the country, but the fact that i was able to terminate roe v. wade after 50 years of trying -- they worked for 50 years. i've never seen anything like it. they worked and i was even -- i was so honored to have done it. well, i did something that nobody thought was possible. i got rid of roe v. wade, and by doing that -- [ applause ] by doing that, it put pro-lifers in a very strong negotiating position. nobody did a job like i did, including roe v. wade, bringing it back to the states. what i did by killing roe v. wade which everybody said was impossible -- >> okay. jackie, donald trump said -- just wondering how this is going to play from voters 18 to 29. the ones that joe biden's supposed to be losing. i'm so honored to terminate roe v. wade, donald trump says. he brags time and time again about saying, i was the one who killed roe v. wade. i mean, this may be one time where donald trump shouldn't have taken all the credit because no matter what he says -- well, first of all people know he was the one to kill roe v. wade and makes 10-year-old rape victims flee the state to go -- so they don't get state-sanctioned abortions, but those around bragging about killing roe v. wade. i have a feeling that's something we're going to hear from the biden white house every day because this issue of abortion, i think it's -- i think it's probably the worst political issue since watergate for republicans. >> yeah, and i think what you are seeing republicans try to feel out is having it both ways, being able to tout overturning roe v. wade, but now being able to encourage others in the party to take a re -- a softer rhetorical tone, and even in the rnc autopsy last year or i guess when -- after the 2022 midterm. i'm losing track of the midterms. >> yeah. >> encouraging republicans to be able to speak about the topic more eloquently, be able to communicate with women that they were sort of missing the boat in that conversation, and that by avoiding it completely, they were allowing democrats to own the issue. >> how do you do it more eloquently? we passed laws that allow 1849 total bans in wisconsin to stand. it's hard to dance around that. >> at the end of the day, the republican nominee can't control the state legislatures that are passing these trigger laws and total bans. this was a big point of contention in the speaker's race. people who were meeting with mike johnson privately who has been one of the most -- supported some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country and was in favor of a national ban previously, they had republicans asking him to ensure and promise him he wouldn't bring a national ban to the house floor because that would put them in an impossible position and that's a losing issue. you're going to see republicans i think coalesce around this message of, this is a state issue, but, you know, as we're seeing the way all these states are acting -- >> right. >> that's not really working out. >> it doesn't work. it's a state issue because the states have been so extreme. it's not like jeb bush and mitt romney are governors like they were, you know, a decade ago. they've got people that are saying, how low can we go? how extreme can we get? and, you know, all they do is they keep electing democrats. >> i mean, what voters are telling us is it's not a messaging issue on abortion. it's a policy issue, right? it's not that they want republicans to talk nicely about abortion or pick later time periods. that's not what voters are telling us over and over and over again. they're telling us that the policy is the problem, that they don't want the government telling them what they can't have abortions, that the right was taken away from them. >> right. >> this is what democrats have been saying, and it's true. that's exactly what happened. a right was taken away from americans and they don't like that. it's not believable to americans or anyone paying attention that the 15 weeks would work because some states are doing 6 weeks and trying to ban it completely. they're showing the struggle of having this conversation. nikki haley, the best on it for republicans to say it's not possible to have a national ban on abortion, but the other guys on that stage, most of them have talked about a six-week -- so at the national level, the conversation is completely different. >> they can't help themselves. they really can't. you've got donald trump running around saying, i'm so honored to have terminated roe v. wade. >> actually uses the word terminate. >> i'm so honored to have terminated roe v. wade, and you have ron desantis who right now, you know, probably second place, certainly the guy whose name is out there the most. he signed a six-week ban. i mean, you know, we've heard the term worse than watergate. oh, this is worse than watergate. joe biden tripped on a sandbag. worse than watergate. everything is worse than watergate. abortion is an issue, let's just say it, worse than watergate because abortion rights, it's undefeated. it's like the rocky marciano of political issues. can't get beaten. >> you know, the traffic on the way over here was worse than watergate. literally. >> i know the new drawbridge they put in right on i -- >> next to the infrastructure bill. >> is that why you were late? >> i'm sorry. no. you're right. abortion is not -- >> do you know what you're saying right now? >> well, i haven't said anything yet. >> exactly. it's five minutes. >> you know what? the beginning of that sentence was worse than watergate. i will say -- i will say this. i mean -- >> what were you saying? this windup. woof. the pitch is coming. willie. i'm sorry. you got the longest windup in baseball. go. >> the anticipation. abortion is -- it's a messaging issue. >> yes. >> it's also a freedom issue. it's a rights issue and that's how democrats -- democrats have been pretty deft in kind of expanding this into an issue of not only just reproductive freedom, but look. republicans are actively coming in and taking away things that you could count on that were your -- that were your rights, that were something -- >> for 50 years. >> for 50-plus years. >> americans, we do a lot of things really good. what we don't do well is let the government take away a constitutional right. >> correct. >> that we have had for 50 years. we're not really good at that. >> no, and to jackie's point,i mean, yes. politics in some ways -- the nature of politics is to try to have it both ways, and when you are trying to pivot from a primary audience where most people and most of the politicians out there who actually are, you know, thinking about these things, are in silo districts where they're trying to not be primaried, you talk a certain way, and it sort of becomes a race to the bottom where you can do the most radical thing and then general election voters make that impossible. >> let me just say, sam, the problem with that list is that even in states that are swing states, they're doing stupid things. i mean, a six-week abortion ban in florida. i know florida really well. floridians, they don't like the six-week abortion ban. some right-wing freaks up in tallahassee may, and maybe, like, right to life and the lobbyist groups whose job it is to push them, maybe they like them, but all these people that came down from new york and connecticut and new jersey, came down because they like low taxes and they like government, like, out of their, you know, out of their pocketbooks, they also want government out of their bedrooms. >> right. >> that's something that, again, i'm still not sure how florida is going to respond to a six-week ban. we've already seen how wisconsin has responded to a total ban of abortion. they're not -- they're just not self-correcting. >> yeah. i mean, mark eventually got there. >> he's pretty good. >> which is there's something -- >> can i just say this? >> yeah. >> he walked the bases full, right? >> then struck out. >> then struck out the side. >> an adventure. >> there is something to a lot of voters that is not conservative about what happened here, right? the government coming in saying, no. you can't do, x, y, and z, and i think that's why for a lot of conservative voters, this has had resonance. they don't want the government saying, no. you can't do this. the other thing is we've kind of discussed this. the optics of a number of men more or less going around -- >> old. old. i'm sorry. let's just say, old, white legislators. >> right. >> who like they're out of, like, you know, some movie. >> i don't think it's an accident that nikki haley's found the most compelling message among the republican primary crowd. for a lot of voters, especially woman voters, it's offensive to see old, white men craft these laws and other thing i'll add is the way they've gone about this, has worsened the problem. in ohio, to sneak in an initiative, we'll raise it from 50 to 60 and making sure they would stop the ability for voters to be able to cast ballots on whether to legalize and codify abortion rights. that is a process point that i think does go to the larger issue which is voters think they're trying to have some conservative world view imposed on them and i think they're revolting. >> they're revolting against that and you've got a speaker now who's about as extreme on abortion as anybody, and he's also said that men doing what men do in the privacy of their bedrooms will help western civilization collapse. this is so intrusive. >> right. >> he is so beyond where 80% of americans, 90% of americans are. i tell you what. i don't know americans who are saying, i want to manage what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting adults. >> you talk to republicans not johnson and they're saying, we're not trying to do a national ban. that's crazy, but they elected someone who wants a national ban and they find the messaging obviously misleading and that's part of the problem. >> and there's mission here too i have to note. at the end of the day, you have republicans -- national republicans saying, you know, please don't put a national ban on the floor. we probably would vote against it, but the incentives are such so far when there have been these smaller provisions that have been brought to the floor, for example, just a few months ago this amendment in the national defense authorization act that would ban the funding of travel for service members who needed to travel out of state to get abortions, republicans -- some of them decried it and then voted against it. >> look what tommy tuberville is doing right now. >> this is an abortion stance he's taken and affecting the military. this is seeping into things that are not just abortion. >> yeah. >> it's going to affect everything. coming up, donald trump calls out manufacturing. we'll show you haze latest campaign ad when "morning joe" comes right back. st campaign ad when "morning joe" comes right back in the u.s. we see millions of cyber threats each year. that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. 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>> some have made the comparison. >> my -- everything you need to know about my governing philosophy is in the bible. no, not really. no because i didn't see anything about lying in the bible, and since you kind of got to power on the strength on the big lie, going through the gospels, i can't find it, but jackie, republicans have said -- excuse me. the headline. they won't even listen to jesus. so if they won't even listen to jesus, then how in the world are we going to see anything different than kevin mccarthy? >> well, i couldn't reach jesus for comment. >> exactly. >> but -- >> by the way, they brought up jesus. they were the ones who brought up jesus. we're just -- we're following through on that, so yeah. they say even jesus can't save them, then how are they going to get this work done? >> so, you know, i feel like i don't have a great prediction right now of whether or not we're definitively headed for a shutdown. >> right. >> but -- and i don't think speaker johnson and his team have an idea -- a realistic idea of that either. it would seem all signs are pointed towards that because we are having a repeat of last month. >> right. >> where a clean -- a continuing resolution seems like the only path forward at the moment to avoid that, and that is something that as you just noted got speerks mc -- speaker mccarthy kicked out of his job, but there is a difference here which is the good will and the popularity that mike johnson has and the fatigue. >> right. >> we're going to now -- next week will be ten weeks. >> that's so important. >> of house lawmakers coming back to d.c. every single week. they want to be home with their families and they're sick and tired of arguing about these muggy, stinky, closed-door meetings and gross plated late-night dinners and they'll be here until 11:00 p.m. >> you're a big fan of washington. i can tell. >> every night. and, you know -- >> too much. >> speaker johnson's also just figuring things out right now. he doesn't even actually know what he wants according to our reporting. he's still trying to survey the conference to get a better idea. he's thrown around this idea of a ladder continuing resolution which is just a more palatable way of saying, some provisions that will appease hard-right republicans who want to, you know, balance the budget and, you know -- >> right. >> -- make major cuts to government agencies. that's not realistic and not going to get through the senate. >> not going to get past that. it's just not. >> even at the end of the day, if they do get through that, it remains to be seen what they send back. >> you say jesus may not do it, but the poor quality of d.c. pizza may? >> that may be powerful enough. >> the poor pizza. so it's incredible that they've got the majority. they can't pass the basic bills. they can't do the basic tasks of governing, and now you know with the extremists, not the conservatives, the radicals, you know anything that passes through the house will be too extreme for the senate. so where do we go from here? >> the foundations haven't changed, right? within the conference and the house republicans. we haven't had an election and a bunch of people who, you know, the boeberts and the gaetzes haven't been kicked out. they're still there mucking things up and more importantly, they don't see -- it's not that they believe in small government. >> right. >> often they talk about basically no government like not wanting government to do anything, and you have these incentive structures as such and they go up and all they have to say, we don't want to do it and that's it. i will say in the white house, they also agreed that the good will that johnson has is probably good for everybody, that, you know, if he does a cr, he's not going to be kicked out immediately, but the question is how does that actually happen? we only have seven days and what we wrote, the headline after playbook is the possibility of us sleepwalking into a shutdown, right? things move too slowly and doesn't happen, right? president biden will be at apec and he has to come back, and the senate is staying and doing something. there's not a structure that makes a lot of sense. is it a short shutdown or -- >> right. >> is there one at all? >> how much -- i just don't know how much more the republicans can handle of this. politically, jen, it's just a nightmare for them. you know, 1948, harry truman was supposed to get crushed and he ran against the do-nothing republicans in congress and it revived him. they went from mild harry to give them hell harry. he kept pounding and pounding and pounding at the do-nothing republicans, and there's a winner. here, i mean, the campaign speech writes itself, doesn't it? >> and either they're going to be do-nothing -- we want government to function so, like, we want the government to stay open. we don't want the republicans to be so tied up in knots. either they do nothing and that's bad for them politically or they're passing bills that are going to be very unpopular, you know, led by a very -- by speaker who once america gets to know him, and i'm sure everybody will make sure everybody understands who mike johnson is, by the time they get to next year's election, that will be really unpopular. there's just -- whether they're just -- whether they're just locked up because they can't get anything done or they're passing things that are going to also hurt, you know, particularly their moderate republicans. they're just, you know, and they put themselves in this position. >> so mark, take this last -- let's call it a week or so, starting with that "new york times" sienna poll that caused the freakout among democrats, looking for alternatives to joe biden then 48 hours on tuesday sweeping wins for democrats. you saw the president with a little life in his step yesterday, hammering donald trump on manufacturing, talking about abortion and talking about democracy. what is your sense of the way democrats are feeling an joe biden right now, but really that joe biden is feeling a year out from the election? >> by the way, willie -- by the way -- so leibo walks back onto the mound next inning and he's staring. he's not even -- i'm, like, dude. stare at the camera, right? i turned around and look, and i mean, i guess it's just so upscale here. they've hidden the camera. >> it's hard to speak. >> it's hard. it's, like, hidden somewhere back there, and he can't find the batter's box. right? >> there it is. >> he's looking over at manager. he's going, pitch. >> what was the question, willie? no, no. >> just stare into the void, mark. stare into the void. >> it comes naturally to me. i would say that -- the question was -- okay. to sort of pivot here, how do democrats feel? >> at the end of the show, we're going to have a vote on the worst guest performance in the 16-year history of "morning joe." >> we love you, mark. we love you. >> i'm going to say -- listen to this one. democrats are -- i would say that tuesday's elections was definitely a boost for democrats. the question is, is joe biden going to benefit from that, and look. democrats are nervous. there's no question about it. i hate to give a shoutout to the bedwetters. these polls, the last few weeks they're accumulating. there are a lot of them that you can't talk to democrats without sensing a lot of nervousness, and yeah. maybe abortion, you know, was a huge issue in ohio and kentucky. democrats had a good day, but, you know, like you said before, i mean, joe biden is not a new democrat. he is an fdr democrat, and voters are not buying this, at least if you believe these polls. so -- >> what about the elections? i mean, democrats -- democrats have been extraordinary -- they win in kentucky. right? they win in kentucky. they exceed all expectations in virginia, all expectations. >> true. >> and ohio, the reddest of red states, 54% of men in ohio voted against the republican position. >> the question is, does that go to joe biden's benefit? if donald trump is on the ballot we've seen a whole different set of turnout expectations of just models by which, you know, states like pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin could go. because i mean, it's a whole different ball game, as it was in 2020, where trump got a lot of votes, 2016 obviously. it's a presidential year. >> trump underperformed republicans in one swing state after another after another. >> trump wasn't on the ballot, though. >> no, no. i'm talking about in 2020. >> okay. >> in wisconsin he underperformed republican candidates by 60,000 votes, same thing in georgia and other states. that was before january 6th. that was before he said he wanted to terminate the constitution. that was before 91 counts. i know people are going, oh, that doesn't matter. yeah, it does. an indictment is an indictment is an indictment. i'm not directing this at you. i'm just directing it at people that are now writing articles going, well, it was a historic night for democrats, but it won't accrue to joe biden. whose party is it? it's joe biden's party. and the very fact that he's an old fdr democrat, that wins wisconsin, that wins michigan, that wins pennsylvania, that wins the white house. >> okay. first of all, the polling is not showing this. i mean, joe biden is extremely unpopular. i hate to say it. >> like barack obama in 2011 losing to mitt romney. >> you can do that. >> i can also say jimmy carter was losing to ted kennedy by 20 points. >> maybe 15% of democrats and independents didn't want barack obama to run. 65% don't want joe biden to run. they're explicitly saying we don't want joe biden to run, we think he's too old. that is unprecedented. >> are you a bob seager fan. >> i know it's late. i know you're weiry. i know your plans don't include me. still here we are, both of us scared as hell of donald trump. you know what, when they go in and see donald trump's name there, i'm sorry, i don't think people that voted against him in 2020 are going to vote for him in 2024. >> so then there's two issues here. i agree with both of you. if there are viable third-party candidates -- >> jill stein is talking about coming in. is jill stein going to be speaking in russian or in english in this company? >> if it gets her the .5%, it doesn't really matter. if you get joe manchin potentially teasing this run, then you have other factors. i think the fundamental question, to mark's point for biden, if you were in the white house and you see those polls and you say the greatest vulnerability he has is age and stamina. he's not getting younger. what is the advice you give to him to say combat that? >> cross training. >> i'm serious. >> shirtless. >> willie, i think that's the key. you joke about it. i tell you what i would do, i'd show a picture of donald trump golfing. i'd say you guys are talking about health? you're talking about age? you take it head on. you joke about it like he did last night. i thought last night was fantastic. somebody falls down. he's like, not me. he starts joking about it. you always go straight into it. then you look at the other guy and you're like -- he thinks he's running against barack obama. he's like a drugged-out rock star. he's like, thank you detroit, and he's actually in scranton. like, he doesn't know where he is. he's got to go to it. he's got to run to it, joke about it and have events like he did yesterday. >> he did it last night. i think the video you saw even in that manufacturing ad is no accident. it's video donald trump doesn't find flattering of himself. you have a guy in donald trump as republicans talk about the decline of joe biden who's on the stage discovering in realtime that us also spells u.s. he just realized that. he's working it out in realtime. >> that's amazing. so donald trump just figured that out. >> that changes everything. >> the point being, watch donald trump's rally in hialeah the other night from start to finish if you can tolerate it and just ask yourself which of the two men is more decline. we'll leave it there. mark leibovich, always great to see you, sir. coming up, an update on when hollywood could get back to work now that the actor's union has reached a tentative deal with the studios. with the studios. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ahh, -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein 30 grams protein, one gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients for immune health. 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>> of course, all attention has been on gaza just because of the scale of the war there and the suffering. but the white house has been extremely worried about how combustible the west bank is right now. even before the october 7th attacks the west bank was already having one of its most deadly years in about two decades. it's picked up rapidly since october 7th because of all the tensions in the region. already you've had almost 200 palestinians in the west bank killed in settler attacks and deadly clashes, about 700 detained. the white house has been much sharper in its criticism of what they call extremist israeli settlers and have publicly and privately called on netanyahu and top israeli officials to address the violence. president biden has been fairly sharp about it in public excellents. we know they're urging them privately, but experts have said despite these white house admonitions, it's unlikely israel is going to do anything to rein this in, because netanyahu has appointed far-right members in his cabinet who are from the west bank. >> when you say far right, that's just an understatement. he's got a guy that i guess runs security services that had in his home pictures of dead palestinians. just for people that are watching that don't follow this closely, you have gaza. hamas has been running gaza since 2005. then there's the west bank run by the palestinian authority. netanyahu has a settler violence, incursions into palestinian areas. it's getting more and more intense. problem is, it is blowing apart any hope for long-term peace if this continues for a two-state solution. right now you have, again, radical settlers in the west bank that are going into areas, again, and using violence, knocking down palestinian homes. they've been doing this for quite some time. again, i don't want to confuse people at home, but two things can be true at the same time. hamas is a terrorist organizatio that the united states wants to help israel root out. at the same time, joe biden as well as hillary clinton as well as america's foreign policy basically community has been concerned for about ten years because netanyahu continues to push extreme policies on the west bank because it helps him with his hard-right voters. >> that's absolutely right. i think that's a really important distinction to make, which is that hamas is not in the west bank. it doesn't run the west bank. that's run by the palestinian authority. these are two different conflicts. the white house is extremely worried about another front opening up in the war. you know, the other thing i think is important to note is, it's not just deadly clashes. they're trying to drive palestinians from their communities. the president has said they had an agreement that they're allowed to be there, this is not okay. i think there is a lot of fear that it's just going to pull more resources away from the military campaign in gaza if they can't get a handle on the west bank. they've restricted movement. they're worried about the risk of an uprising in the territory or lone wolf attacks. >> you've got the biden administration very nervous, not only about what's happening in gaza, what's happening in their efforts to root out hamas. they're worried about hezbollah in the north. now because of the extremism in the west bank, they're having to worry about a three-front war and war breaking out in the west bank at the same time. israel doesn't have the ability to do that. this is something tom friedman explained brilliantly in the "new york times" piece this week. netanyahu just keeps feeding the extremists. what is that doing? that's creating a third front that israel is incapable of fighting right now. >> you're exactly right. this isn't just about israel anymore. this is about the broader geopolitical factions at play. we were just talking before this. i would love to hear a little bit more about your reporting about some of the pivot points that biden missed diplomatically along the way that could have potentially prevented or at least allayed some of what we've seen so far that you covered in your latest piece. >> i'm glad you brought it up. there were a number of trump administration policies that sort of threw fuel on the fire in terms of the west bank settler movement. mike pompeo, the former secretary of state, had reversed a longstanding u.s. policy that said west bank settlements were illegal. he reversed that and said they were not necessarily illegal. he also implemented a policy, products made in west bank occupied territories have to be labeled as such. he reversed that to say they could just be labeled to say made in israel. experts have noted there are some fairly simple bureaucratic policy moves the administration could take that would signal more seriously that they want this problem addressed. that hasn't happened. i don't know if there are plans to address them. right now we just know of these private and public conversations and statements. i think we've seen through the course of the conflict israel is not really listening to u.s. warnings and urgings to change course to try to limit civilian casualties. this is a real challenge for the administration right now. >> i would guess the last thing any administration would do right after the heinous attacks of october 7th would change those policies. there's no doubt, though, i mean, just based on your reporting and what else we've heard the biden administration may have let netanyahu bear hug him, but they're done. like, they're planning for a future without netanyahu. they believe it may come sooner rather than later. with that, all of the things like these trump administration policies that just added fuel to the fire, you've got to believe they're going to be reversed. >> the white house and the president standing with benjamin netanyahu right now in this moment during this initial phase of the operation against hamas. there are two things also going on. one, by drawing in netanyahu so closely, that's also given the president, his aides say, the freedom to chide him when needed. they can see the polls. they can see netanyahu won't be in that position much longer. the u.s. is trying to get the lay of the land to see what would come next. they're glad the pauses have increased. president biden pitched a pause of three days, which netanyahu rejected out of hand. it underscores, again, some of the disagreements the two sides have about this war. >> so you have a new survey showing that jewish students in america feel increasingly unsafe in their own country. if they were looking to donald trump, the last president, to make them feel better, well, they need to look elsewhere. here's donald trump talking about how we should just let israel and the palestinians fight each other and stand back. take a look at this. >> how can the u.s. stop the killing of more innocent people, civilians on both sides of that war? >> you have a war that's going on. you're probably going to have to let this play out. there's no hatred like the palestinian hatred of israel and jewish people and probably the other way around also. i don't know. it's not as obvious, but probably that's it too. so sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends. >> just the exact opposite of what joe biden, what his foreign policy team, what secretary blinken, what jake sullivan, what everybody is doing, secretary austin, all working around the clock trying to diffuse this. donald trump says, well, both sides hate each other, we should just stand back, let them fight it out and see what happens. >> trump has struggled to articulate any coherent view on israel. >> he hates netanyahu. >> that is not consistent or coherent. trump and netanyahu were best friends during the trump administration. this is how we've seen netanyahu accumulate such power over the past eight years. he really turned a blind eye to a lot of the extremist bad behavior being exhibited by the right wing israeli government and trump really empowered that. at the same time, domestically trump has vacillated especially in his rhetoric. he's had a track record of em embracing anti-semitic voices while also trying to bear hug the issue, pointing to ivanka as this totem of why he -- >> she married a jew. >> exactly. >> at the same time he's angry at jewish voters because enough didn't vote for him. he said some anti-semitic comments about that. of course, talking about hezbollah being brilliant. you're right, he's having a hard time here, because everything is so personal for donald trump. now he's seeing israelis thank joe biden. >> at the end of the day, i think where we see his statements gravitating towards is the standard trumpian i'm getting credit due to the people who are maybe doing the most inappropriate things, creating the most bloodshed and going against the set of global rules and world order. this really is in line with his contraian take toward authoritarians and these bad actors that continue to try to exploit people like donald trump, politicians like donald trump. >> his position on israel right now is just as jumbled as his position on abortion. >> for trump, netanyahu did the unforgivable. he praised joe biden and also recognized that joe biden won the 2020 election. that recent poll was conducted by jewish federations of north america. in it, 70% of jews in the united states say they feel less safe now than they did before the october 7th attacks on israel by hamas. this comes as the anti-defamation league has reported a whopping 388% increase in anti-semitic incidents in the u.s. since the outbreak of the israel/hamas war. the explosion of anti-semitism has those who lived through the holocaust particularly scared and now remembering even more poignantly the night of broken glass. >> she was 5 years old when the dutch police removed her family from their home. >> they shoved us down the stairs. there was an army truck outside our house. it was one of the first raids. >> her family was put on a train to a camp. days later they were deported to a death camp. one of the nazis recognized her mother because they lived on the same street in amsterdam. >> when he got to his part of the table, he took our name off the list. had he not done so, i would not be sitting here. >> she survived the unimaginable as a kid. now more than 80 years later the world is witnessing the deadliest attack on jews since the holocaust. >> israel has to defend itself. >> she also feels the pain and suffering caused by this new war in the middle east. what has been your reaction to seeing innocent palestinians and children being caught in the cross fire of this war? >> terrible. when i see children, i see me. these children are innocent. these people are caught in a no-win situation. hamas has them in their power and they have no way out. it's a hopeless situation. when i see these children, it kills me. >> as the illinois holocaust museum marks the 85th anniversary of crystalnacht they are heart broken by the loss of innocent civilian lives in the war. during the night of broken glass, nazis vandalized jewish homes, burned down synagogues and killed jews. >> it's a very important date in holocaust history because it was a mass pogrom against the jewish people. as we are seeing violence against civilians, this is a moment that is very reminiscent for our survivors and the stories we tell here. >> a letter reads the world is failing at its duties. people are retreating to their corners, casting blame on those who look, sound or worship differently. >> i think jews will only have safety and security when palestinians also have a degree of dignity and equality. by the same token, palestinians will never have equality unless their jewish neighbors also have safety and security. it's not either/or. it's both/and. >> concerns about safety and security in jewish communities has extended beyond israel's borders with a global spike in anti-semitism since october 7th evoking dark memories. >> today we're seeing a wave of acts of vandalism targeting synagogues and other jewish institutions and businesses that simply are owned by jewish people. the parallels are eerie and worrisome. >> she believes the solution relies on something completely different. >> as a survivor and victim of the holocaust, i could very easily hate, but i don't know how that emotion feels. i don't know how to hate. why not lead with love? >> let's bring in jonathan greenblatt. the adl is organizing a march in washington in support of israel set to take place on israel. last week you returned from a trip to israel where you met with victims of the october 7th terror attacks and family members of hostages being held by hamas. you talk about how discrimination, threats against anybody in america is obviously contemptible. a number keeps sticking in my head. that is fbi director wray saying that jews make up 62% of the population. the more time i spend on college campuses and talk to kids, the more absolutely shocked i am by the high levels of anti-semitism we're experiencing right now, more reports of it coming from m.i.t., harvard and penn and across the country. what is going on? >> it is indeed shocking. it is stunning and it is sickening. i appreciate you calling attention to this, because it is a nightmare for these jewish students. since i was last on your show at m.i.t., jewish students are being physically prevented from going to class. jewish staff members at m.i.t. are being harassed in their offices. their classes are being interrupted. at yale, there have been multiple protests with hundreds of students yelling resistance is justified, this to a jewish community that had its women raped, its babied killed by people claiming to be doing resistance. there were death threats this week against the hilel. mass students violently destroyed a pinata with the fce of the jewish leader on it. earlier this week adl launched a legal call for college students if they're experiencing discrimination or hate. in just four days we've had over 90 cases submitted to us. we've trained hundreds of lawyers. >> let me ask you, though. great idea. you've got to explain something to me. >> okay. >> why is it that administrators, presidents -- and i'm looking at m.i.t. right now based on what you've told me, but i could look at other colleges too. some of the most elite colleges in the country, jewish students are not only facing harassment. students that refuse to take an extreme position on elite college campuses, students that refuse to take an extreme position against jews are actually harassed with threats of cancellation. >> that's right. it makes me so angry. i want to know where the college presidents are. i want to know where the administrators are, because they sure as hell stepped in rightly after george floyd's death. they rightly stepped in after other extreme actions take place. they rightly step in and i hope like hell if muslims were facing violence day in and day out on college campuses, i would hope like hell they would do it. anybody that's watched this show for 16 years, heard me speak out time and time again whenever there's a hint of discrimination against muslim americans. why on our most elite college campuses are jews held to a far lower standard than anybody else? because i thought for the past 20 years college administrators were trying to create, quote, safe spaces for anybody that wanted to be bubble wrapped. >> i'm so sick of the safe spaces conversation. don't talk to me about safe spaces when your campuses are literally unsafe. these college administrators -- you know, it's the oppression olympics where you either play oppressor or oppressed. jews are somehow put at the bottom. i'm so tired of the cowardice. university presidents, i'm looking right at you. if you violate title vi and make your students unsafe, adl is coming for you. you may have a moral weakness, but you also have a fiduciary responsibility to protect your institutions. look, whether you're going to lose tens of millions of donor dollars -- and you will -- or you lose hundreds of millions in federal funding because you lose title vi -- and you will -- we are coming for you, because i'm tired of waiting for them to protect my jewish kids in school, so i'm going to protect them with the full force of the law. >> i mean, they need to and they haven't. rabbi, i want to get to you. you have just come back from israel. tom friedman, i thought, had a great column this past week talking about how he doesn't recognize the israel he's in right now. one of the heartbreaking things is just how complicated the situation is. you have the hamas terrorists, of course, who have started all of this and blown things apart. at the same time, tom talks about what's happening on the west bank and radical settlers doing things blowing apart the opportunity for a two-state solution so jews and palestinians one day can live together in safety, in peace, in dignity. it seems right now we're farther and farther away. i had one of my children last night when i talked about a two-state solution, they said, dad, that's just not possible anymore, is it? yet it does seem farther away now not just because of the terror strikes from hamas, but because of what's happening in the west bank. >> i could just tell you that i have been to israel 35 times in my life and i've never experienced it like this. it is as dire as you think. it is as existential as you think. it is as dreadful as you think. in some counterintuitive ways the more hopeful that you might think. the street is full of murmur, not israeli lively banter. there's no one between 18 and 40 years old on the street because they're all up north or down south fighting or getting ready to fight. there's a sense of both confidence and focus in people's eyes, but also a sense of fear. this show and other shows have done incredible work in reporting back what's going on there. when you hear stories firsthand, it sears the soul. parents and grandparents who said i came to this country to build it to make sure that never again would be able to be perpetuated. but it happened again just a month ago and that is crystal clear right now. >> rabbi, when you come on, you bring hope to our viewers even in the most uncertain of times. let me ask you what hope is there long-term as we look over the horizon for -- i'll say it again. i'm going to keep saying it. a two-state solution where israelis can live safely in their homes, where palestinians can live safely with dignity. give us hope that we can get there some day soon. >> i'm going to give you hope sort of in a backwards way. one of the people we met with was a woman who lost two sons on that day of october 7th. she's there with sort of this steadfast voice talking to us and said, you know what i decided to do, instead of digging two graves, i dug one, because i wanted them buried together to show unity. somehow these boys are not going to die in vain, because we as a jewish people are going to stand together. she said, you no longer have the luxury of polarization in your country. you cannot hate each other while we all need each other, because my boys are not going to die in vain. if your party is less anti-semitic than yours is, then you are turning your gaze from what's most important. if you don't want my boys to die in vain, somehow you have to come together, or, she said, you will somehow add to the extermination of the jewish people. with those boys not dying in vain or any boys and girls dying in vain, we have to come together in ways that we never have before. >> thank you both so much. talk about how extraordinarily difficult the white house's job is, congress' job is to do what has been an impossibility over the past ten, 15, 20 years and to do two things at once, again, telling israelis we're with you, root out hamas, do it in a way that doesn't cause so much death, pain and heartache. but we're with you. and then at the same time, don't blow things up in such a way on the west bank that there's never hope for a two-state solution. i've got to give david ignatius, richard hawes and others credit, because they said on october 8th and 9th, yes, israel, you're going to have to fight this war and we're going to have to support you, but you have to fight it thinking about what's happening the day after and how we get to peace. right now doesn't look like that's happening. >> yeah. the biden administration and the president himself have been trying to walk this pretty difficult tight rope of wanting to support israel, tell them they have a right and a duty to defend themselves. i think they've become uncomfortable with the way in which they're doing that. so we know from lots of reporting, u.s. officials did not want them to do a full-scale ground invasion because they thought that would be escalatory and was not going to achieve the goal of trying to eradicate hamas and would make it extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible, to have some kind of peace or two-state solution. afterwards, the president is facing more pressure from the progressive wing of his party to do something about the suffering in gaza. so they're trying to walk this tight rope of saying israel has a right to defend itself. this was the scale of the hamas attack. of course they have to do something. they're talking a lot about humanitarian aid in gaza, opening corridors, pushing israel to allow more aid to come in. so at the same time they're trying to do this diplomacy with arab partners in the region to say, no, we're taking seriously the suffering in gaza, but we're still supporting israel. arab countries are telling them, can you please get israel to rein this in, to stop the attacks in gaza? 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and have the right to stand before their community and speak for about ten minutes about what it was like to serve their country. some of those town halls will be held tomorrow as americans mark veterans day, honoring the men and women who have served across all branches. let's bring in sebastian junger. also with us congressman seth moulton of massachusetts who serves in the iraq war. sebastian, one of the most moving and haunting parts of war in your book was these kids going through the hell of afghanistan, worried about having their heads blown off every second and just going through this emotional wringer. and yet we met up with them once they returned to the united states. you found that being back home, being isolated, not being able to tell their story was actually even harder for them. so talk about the importance of these vets being able to tell their story. >> yeah. i mean, we're a social species and we go through things in groups. one of the strange things about the modern era with the military is you go through combat as a group and then you come home and recover from that individually. we're a very alienating society. the idea is to allow veterans to share their experiences with their community, which is a basic human experience. town halls are available every veterans day. what we do with vets town hall is open them up and give every veteran that wants to a chance to speak for ten minutes. some will be very angry that they had to fight the war they fought. some will be very proud. some will be grieving too hard to speak coherently. that's all the experience of war. it's enormously cathartic to share it and it's enormously informative for the community to hear the details of what we ask these young men and women to do. >> speak a little bit more about the value some of these veterans find in having a space to talk about this. my own grandfather was a world war ii veteran, three purple hearts. he saw a lot of terrible things and refused to talk about it. wouldn't talk about it until the end of his life. he was one of those when they saw "saving private ryan" that's what opened him up. talk about the experience of people like that because of these town halls. >> that gets in the way of reintegrating into society. most civilians haven't experienced combat in this country. what happens in a vets town hall is because it's an open forum, the veteran is in a position of actually being asked to and choosing to share those experiences with the wider community. it has a cathartic effect that talking to that therapist or to a buddy just simply cannot have. the idea is rooted in the dance for returning warriors given the chance to address the community and explain what they did for them during warfare to, i'm sure, often to boast about it. that allowed the warrior to reintegrate into society. the vets town hall is a modern version of the dance. small tribal societies that have engaged in a lot of warfare know how to deal with ptsd. i've taken my cues from that and tried to implement it at a national level at town halls. >> sebastian, thanks so much for coming on. it means the world to us. >> thank you very much. it was a pleasure talking to you. >> congressman moulton, thank you so much for being with us as well. this is your ninth town hall you've engaged in. i'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about the contrast between these town halls where people presumably on both sides of the aisle are able to connect with one another and sort of build these bridges in contrast to your day-to-day job on capitol hill where lawmakers are very publicly sort of engaging in partisan politics. >> that's absolutely right. when we established the first town hall, we set as one of the clear ground rules that there would be no politics. you could talk about the war, but partisanship would be left for another day. the whole point is to give veterans a chance to share their stories and have the cathartic experience of what we went through 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[ laughter ] >> we know. >> here's the difference, when you're in the middle of a fight, i stood and others stood with you shoulder to shoulder on that picket line. my predecessor went to a non-union shop and attacked you. i hope you -- i hope you guys have a memory. where i come from, it matters. the truth is if you had to listen to him -- thank god you didn't -- >> there's so many things that he was doing there, so many things. that was president biden in illinois yesterday reminding uaw workers that he -- what he did for the union versus what donald trump did not do. biden also told donors at a chicago fundraiser last night that trump was, quote, the only reason abortion is banned in america. let's bring in former special assistant to president biden, the press secretary to the first lady, michael la rosa, and washington post opinion editor and writer, alexi mccammond. thank you for being here. that's what people wanted to hear joe biden do for a very long time. he did a couple of things, one, he took the fight to donald trump finally instead of waiting for republicans to do it. and two, he's talking like an old democrat, and by old, i mean that's a good thing. he's talking like an fdr democrat, like a union democrat, not a democrat like we've had lately that like makes nice with wall street, says trade's good for everybody. union folk. you guys, you just deal with it. no, he's playing the role of fdr, blue collar democrat. >> yeah, and i think that democrats are looking to be inspired by him. they want a reason to be on the team and have his back. they want him to start taking the fight to trump and rip the bark off the guy because, look, the president's favorable. like, i don't -- i'm not very into the head to head numbers right now, but i am interest instead favorables and likability. it's really hard to vote for people that you don't like personally. and that was the case in all the senate races, no matter how close they were, it was like ability. they were always ahead. democrats were always ahead and i'm worried about the president's favorable number. it dropped 16 points. >> alexi, this probably helps. you know, i'm a dork. i like data. i want to know what the gdp is. i want to look at the trend lines. most americans don't. and so he tried the bidenomics thing. it didn't work. it is personal. it's him versus trump, and seems it's a more likable approach. >> and it's about making people feel something and knowing that you're feeling the same thing they're feeling. i think that's reflected in the polling we saw this week too in which it said that voters want biden to talk more about prices than about jobs, wages not job increase. you're feeling that sticker shock. you're still like why am i paying so much for this. thanksgiving will be a very interesting time, of course, to see how people are feeling about the economy, but when trump is out there saying i'm fighting for you spewing his faux populism, not actually standing up for the union workers who continue to vote for him, biden needs to match that and say i'm fighting for you, i've done this for you, and i know how you feel. >> and alexi, it's so interesting, you look at the numbers and everybody's shocked. i was initially shocked by the numbers for younger americans. >> yeah. >> it's more split, and then i talked to a younger american i happen to know, who's my oldest son, and he's like, listen, i mean, he's not voting for donald trump. at the same time, he's like, finding a house, getting a house, interest rates are at like 30-year highs. there's so many young people that can't get into their first house, and they keep thinking next year. next year. next year. and i'll tell you what, he and a lot of other americans who don't have the advantages that he has are getting hammered by inflation still. >> right, right, and young people are pretty impatient, especially when it comes to political change, but more than that, i think that they're seeing, you know, maybe they're not necessarily properly ready for a third party, but i'm picking up on a lot of folks who are just done with the two-party system. >> so michael, let's talk about the evolution from president biden about donald trump where for the first year in office, he wouldn't even say the guy's name. >> yeah. >> and now it has been slow but steady, and he's taking on more and more, and it does seem like the white house is pivoting right now -- and the campaign, all about contrast, and that means the attack. >> yeah, i hope so. because those numbers -- the personal, the favorable numbers are bad, and you know, look, the worst thing you can do is do when the kerry campaign did. it wasn't the fact that people necessarily believed the swift boat veterans, it was that there was no counterpunch. so when you leave somebody with nothing, when you leave them with nothing. and they said this about '16, you have to respond to everything otherwise it leaves doubt in the minds of your supporters. >> and i'm older, i remember michael dukakis never responded to anything. he's like i'm fine, just like doing a push lawn mower, and bush took him apart. >> it's an outdated way of political communications these days. bill clinton in the fall of '98 he could get away with that because he has had a 60% job approval rating! for all this talk, alexi, what do we know about when he's actually going to announce his re-election and really get out there full-time and take on trump in a real way? >> i think it only benefits them to wait, to wait it out because he can continue to focus on governing, on being president, and the second that he announces properly his re-election campaign, we will all be comparing him to trump. voters will be comparing him to trump. i think that would change the contours of the republican primary, which of course is already going in donald trump's favor, and so he can continue to be this leader that donald trump is not and reassert himself ass incumbent president, which i would argue donald trump is looked at other side as the incumbent president for the republicans. >> all right, thank you so much, michael la rosa and alexi mccammond, great to ha you both here. finally this morning a quick update on the new deal for the hollywood actors. the agreement includes the largest minimum wage increase in 40 years, a new residual structure for streaming and for the very first time ai protections for members, sag-aftra will vote on the deal today. it looks like you're going to be able to be in schwarzenegger's next movie now. that was on hold for a while. >> yeah, i'm excited about that. i should also note that the actor who plays me can come back on monday. >> thank god, that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage in 90 seconds. right
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