democrats are making it clear they will not provide the life raft for him. >> let republicans deal with their own problems. i mean, let them wallow in their pig sty of incompetence. >> but the big question hanging over the hill right now, if not mccarthy, then who? i want to bring in ali vitali on capitol hill. also with us, "washington post" national reporter, carol lehning. former aid to speakers paul ryan and john boehner and msnbc political analyst, brendan buck. we're also joined by former republican congressman from florida, carlos. ali, i've been away from you for all of a minute so i know either someone's walked by you or you're getting texts. tell us where everything stands right now. >> certainly both. as we went off the air with you, congressman chip roy walked by. i asked if he thought any of these other hard liners could have their minds changed. he said we'll see. the reporting we did just a few minutes ago says a lot of these folk who said their going to vote against mccarthy probably can't be moved and democrats are not eager to step in and save him. it's important we reference the conversation that the majority of republicans are having right now, including some members like members who are part of mccarthy's leadership team. listen to what she said. >> this is a gift to matt gaetz. gaetz is not interested in making sure that we can continue to govern. he has suggested that he wanted to see the appropriations process move forward but in fact, he's actually thwarting. unfortunately, the american people are pawns in his narsistic game of charades. >> and so you're seeing bice there -- >> kevin mccarthy is an impossible job. his job is impossible. i don't give a care who the speaker would be. it's an impossible job today. it's impossible. most difficult job in the country. >> and so again, there's congressman troy nels, the conversation i was having with him on his way in to votes, he's stating the obvious, which is this is a very difficult position mccarthy finds himself in, but again, i think it's important we come back to the facts we know then of course what we don't. we don't know what's going to happen on the floor. we expect this motion to table the motion effectively saying hey, let's not vote on mccarthy's speakership and its fate. that's going to happen first then if that fails and the vote proceeds on to an actual motion to vacate, as of right now, the math is not in favor of mccarthy. again, i've abandoned by crystal ball when i started covering politics in 2015. i no longer predict to know what's going to happen on the floor, but we expect those six people are not going to be moved and that democrats are not coming to his aid. and quite frankly, this is historic, but it's also the culmination of multiple other speakers, and i'm so glad brendan is here because these are the situations his old bosses left to avoid. the pressure from the most conservative and most right flank of this conference trying to leverage power over a speaker, neutralize the speaker's ability to control the majority, and we've watched this house majority and the minority that has been able to pull mccarthy under their control and in many ways, make him force concessions that lead him to exactly this point. so it's historic but it's also true that it was almost bound to happen this way for some republican speaker because for boehner, for ryan, they all lived under this threat. >> i don't think there's anybody who sat with us and we were all live when vote after vote after vote happened until mccarthy finally had the votes, who didn't predict how difficult a job he was getting. as somebody who has seen this play out up close and personal, brendan, i think you were with paul ryan when the boehner vote came up. the boehner challenge came up and of course you also worked for john boehner. the question i get most often is not about the internal politics of this. it's not about what the rules of procedure are. it's why would anybody want that job. i look at right now what kevin mccarthy is going through and it doesn't seem like anything but a logical question, brendan. >>. >> totally fair. the rules of procedure are a big reason why this job is to hard right now. it's this motion to vacate. i think it's a cancer and it became a huge problem for republican governors for many, many years. mccarthy tried to avoid this. mccarthy said he was going to keep it that way but it was one of the last concessions he had to make to become speaker. there was probably no way he could avoid that, but he knew the second he lowered this threshold down to one member, this was going to happen some day. john boehner faced this very threat. i think he could have survived that because he had some good will among democrats who probably would have stepped up and saved him. when paul ryan took over, he said look, i'm not going to live this way. i'm not going to be speaker of the house with this gun pointed at my head all the time. basically arranged a handshake agreement with the freedom caucus to say you're never going use this against me and that held for as long as we were there. mccarthy knew this day was coming. you can't govern like this when just any one member or five members, i guess, can set the, can make a constitutional change. a constitutional officer change hands. when teaming up with democrats. it's absurd. it's why he was pushed so many times to the right, to the right, to the right, making promises he knew he couldn't deliver on. if you want to give some credit to some of these guys who are trying to push him out, there is some truth to the fact he made some promises probably in the beginning of this term and couldn't deliver on. couldn't promise to deliver certain spending levels. couldn't promise the rules would always be followed the same way. eventually, that's going to catch up to you. at the same time, this is a situation where if he had more room to breathe, if he wasn't always having to bend to what they're doing because they have the weapon against him, the house would govern so much better. it's in their best interest to make this problem go away. i think he would find it much easier to work with democrats. make it a better functioning place if he wasn't so worried his job was always being threatened. if he's no longer speaker, the next person is going to face this thing. even more so, a more acute threat. the next speaker is going to know at any moment, they can be taken out and democrats will help take them out. that's why it's short sided for democrats to let mccarthy go. i get they don't want to save him. they hate him. i get it. they think about how this place works, the function of this institution, this is a really bad day. motion to vacate is a really big problem and we know it. it has been for a long time. this was never used like this for about 100 years. it was basically created in case your speaker goes senile and you need to get rid of it. it wasn't intended because you have a disagreement against the speaker and it got weaponized under boehner and ryan and is being used here today. >> so it looks like they're going to the chair, but carlos, as predicted, do we want to listen in? okay. >> gentle lady from pennsylvania. >> mr. speaker, we would request a role call vote on the rule. >> requested. those favors a roll call vote will rise. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a five minute vote. >> so carlos, two things we've seen now to your prediction, which is that the democrats, this is taking longer. this is not about kevin mccarthy. this was a prelude to what we knew would be those votes. the dems voted by paper to slow it down. now they're asking for a roll call. i know you have been working. your text, your phone. talking to folks who are on the inside. what are you hearing? >> status quo for now. it seems like democrats are going to stay united. they're not going to bail out mccarthy. some of the centrist democrats asked for 24 hours, perhaps try to form a coalition to save the house from this moment but i'll give him some credit here. this is something that had to happen, chris. this is something boehner postponed in 2015 by resigning. a lot of us asked him to stay to force the vote to see how democrats would respond. to see how many republicans would actually go through with it. it was mark meadows at the time. the one that was threatening john boehner. but boehner decided that he would sacrifice himself and let paul ryan take over. things were a bit more stable under paul ryan but still there was this restlessness inside the house republican conference. this has all come to a head now. although this is going to be a difficult day for this institution, chris, i think this was a necessary day and that after this day, the institution is going to find a better way forward. they're going to find that point of stability of home owe stacy is where perhaps republicans and democrats can work together more. where perhaps individual members are empowered more to file amendments on the floor. to have their ideas debated. not this top heavy system that has created and grown so much resentment in the rank and file to the point where you have a small faction of republicans today, the only armed faction in the house, which is another part of the problem. embarrassing their own speaker and raising all sorts of questions about what the next few weeks look like for the house of representatives, the u.s. government and the country. >> while this vote goes, again, not related to mccarthy, we are getting color on the floor from scott, one of our producers who is there on the hill. he writes in the house chamber before the mccarthy vote, dems are chatty while republicans are mostly sitting down and subdued. lots of tension on the gop side of the aisle. we heard it in our last hour when i was interviewing byron and dan, two of the members of congress who are very much against removing speaker mccarthy. how did we get here, carol? >> it feels very much like the only possible result after january 6th. you may remember there was some pretty incredible tension even among republicans on the house floor. remember the house floor was shut down and security detail agents were pulling their weapons to protect the house from incoming marauders and rioters attacking the capitol, trying to block the certification of the vote. that blocking of the certification was really set in motion by donald trump and donald trump has continued to stoke this sort of right flank in the house. to encourage them and to empower them with his support that he still holds so much sway over in the republican party. to get to his goal of being speaker, kevin mccarthy -- >> just a second, we're watching speaker mccarthy. let's listen if we have sound there. >> a handful of republicans -- determine speaker of the house. >> what about the republicans who are opposed to you? what has gone on? what is their thinking? >> these are the same ones who opposed me before. so turning the floor over to the democrats. >> what does it say to the fact you're the first speaker to face this? this resolution on his own, but the fact that you're facing this, doesn't that say something about the speakership or is that the narrow majority? >> boehner didn't -- i continue to work through it. >> i know you don't like hypothetical questions but if this goes to a speaker vote eventually, will you continue to stand for speaker vote after vote. >> we'll see what happens. >> what does this chaos say about republicans right now, that you're continuing to have these battles? >> the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy, walking toward what will be an historic vote. only the third attempt in u.s. history to remove the speaker this way. in 1910, it was joseph canon. in 2015, it was john boehner and now we just heard from him what we could hear is those are the same ones who opposed me before, which is true. there's a long standing history of animosity, particularly between the speaker and matt gaetz. then when he was asked if he would continue potentially vote after vote after vote, he said we will see what happens. carol, this is a man in an historic moment fighting as he originally did to become speaker to stay speaker. >> right. it was sort of striking from democrats who said one of the things they find the most worrisome and some republicans share this view was that kevin mccarthy has been focused on i want to be speaker and i want to be speaker at any cost. the cost is now coming due. the cost was essentially buying off, that's not a very polite word. let me try another. it was essentially creating a series of promises. some of which he couldn't keep, to this right flank that was enabled and empowered by donald trump even though donald trump wasn't president anymore. the bill has come due. and wanting to be speaker so badly will lead you into i think this kind of problem according to a lot of democrats and republicans. democrats now are so furious because they watched according to my colleagues at "the washington post," they watched a appearance that speaker mccarthy made on sunday blaming democrats for wanting to shutdown the government. and they were outraged because as they watched it, they raised the question so why is he asking us now to help him save his speakership? that doesn't make any sense since he's willing to blame us. the only people who came to his rescue to keep the government going. >> we are just moments away then there will be a motion to vacate. will mccarthy survive as speaker? we'll be back in 60 seconds. e as speaker? we'll be back in 60 seconds. oo ♪ (sean) i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro! 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reporters don't have seats. across from us, entire sections of the house gallery where members of the public sit are absolutely full. full to witness history. i want to bring in senior political correspondent at the washington examiner, david. good to see you. you said on x on twitter this vote is more than a decade in the making. that it was only a matter of time before some republican member targeted some republican speaker. talk about what we're watching unfold right now. >> well, we're looking at the culmination of what i think is a decade of antiestablishment ferver in the republican party. that has really devolved into anti institution ferver. so number one, there's little regard for the establishment of the republican party. also little regard for the institution of the house. this is a big problem, this problem goes beyond republican who's seen it on both sides of the aisle, but with republicans, it's particularly acute and when you hand a few members the ability to depose a speaker with one vote, which is essentially what is happening here, it's going to take more than one vote to happen but only one vote was needed to call the vote. it's just a matter of time before it's going to be used because if you live in these republican districts, if you live on conservative media, if you talk to the activists and if you look at potential head of the republican party for the last you know almost eight years, donald trump, the former president, what have you been hearing? you have been hearing that republicans don't get enough done because they don't fight hard enough and if they would only fight hard enough, the unrealistic results would actually be realistic and so you don't have a republican base that believes in incremental progress built on incremental progress, they don't take any pleasure from governing. they don't reward republicans for governing. they want to hit a grand slam home run and if you hit a single, they want to send you back down to the minors so that is why eventually this was going to happen one way or the other. especially once kevin mccarthy made a deal with the right flank of his conference to allow one solitary member to bring the house to a halt by calling this vote. >> and david, i should apologize because you've moved on up to the dispatch. so let me get that right. >> thank you. >> but we also had more color from scott, our producer who is there. we watched in realtime as mccarthy walked in and then said a few things to the press and went into the cloak room. we watched him walk away there. but this is what scott writes. bunch of conservative rabble-rousers sitting in back of chamber divided on mccarthy. last row, norman, bishop, rosendale, biggs, good. second to last, bobert, chet, buck and crane. we know there are six members, the most recent of them, matt rosendale. i've asked this before but i'm curious your position on it. what do they get out of this? >> adulation from conservative media, from small donors who give in small amounts and it's how you get around the party structure. look, 20 years ago, 40 years ago, the party structure would cut members like this off. it means they'd cut off the money. the support. and you'd end up losing in a republican primary next go around. not only are the parties weak and ineffectual in enforcing discipline within their ranks, but there are lots of republican voters who hate the republican party a lot more than they hate the democratic party and joe biden. the best thing you can do for your conservative cred in these districts is fight other republicans because results are not necessarily the point. stopping republicans from acting responsibly and incrementally saying hey, listen, i know we could cut spending but would a democratic senate and white house be stopped it from going up and we cut it by a couple of percentage points. not good enough. they don't look at it this way. they want all or nothing and they're rewarded for supply trying so they do not have to worry about their jobs and getting re-elected in 2024. by being involved in this effort. not with standing some of the blowback from some conservative media personalities. there's plenty more support for this where that came from. >> they get money. they get their face time. but the rest of the republican party are looking at this and saying how are we going to go into our re-election and spin this mess? >> that's true and it's a problem if you're in a swing state or marginal republican seat, but you know, another issue here and i've talked about this over the past couple of days is that republican pragmatists and i don't think we should call them moderates or centrists. they're pragmatic about what they can do with a four seat majority. they haven't themselves made the right flank that's participated in this pay a price. they haven't been willing to take some risks. possibly make deals with democrats. possibly find ways of isolating their more insurgent colleagues. not saying these moves would work but every time republicans over the last decade plus have been faced with this sort of behavior from their right flank, the pragmatists have complained about it. they've called their colleagues names. it's fun for us in the press to write about this and cover it but they never make them pay a price and they're the ones that always have to shoulder the load when it comes to winning a majority or defending a majority but at least if they made this more uncomfortable, maybe some of these members would think twice but it hasn't happened up until now. >> david, stick with us. i want to bring in nbc's senior capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake. i just mentioned we watched and tried to listen as the speaker went out on to the floor. you were there. what did you hear? tell us about the mood on the floor as well. >> chris, i was struck by the speaker's tone on the way to the floor. i've been covering him for a long time and especially since he became speaker, he likes to talk about how he was a fighter. but what i heard from him on the way to the floor was a little bit of resignation in his voice that he's basically seeing the floor being turned over to democrats at the behest of half a dozen of his members that he is trying to do the right thing for the republican party but that some of his members don't want that to happen. he was asked twice if he would keep fighting if he loses the motion. he could put his name up again to the speaker and go around and around like we did in january with multiple votes and twice, he either ignored the question or deflected from it, the second time saying let's see what happens. that struck me as unusual for someone who has for the duration of his speakership refused to give any inch when a suggestion was made he wouldn't keep fighting to the end. the way he answered that struck me as very noteworthy despite the lack of actual substance. >> noteworthy and knowing him and covering him as long as you have surprising? >> absolutely. look, if you're kevin mccarthy, you have to deal with two thoughts. do you want to be the first speaker to lose on on a vote on the floor and do you want to try to get out ahead of it or do you think you can win this fight and prove your detractors wrong by having this fight all the way through? his answer kind of split the difference there. he's going to the floor. not committing to sticking it out to the bitter end. so we're in a very interesting gray area right now as to the future of mccarthy's speakership irrespective of how this vote goes. >> let me go back to ali. give us the tick-tock and i say that sometimes and i'm reminded people don't use that as what's going to happen next. give us the lay of the land of what's going to happen next. how is this going to start to play out? >> my understanding is that right now, the reason we're seeing this rule vote which is not related to the coverage we're seeing today continue to stall out is because democrats are trying to make sure they have every member they can possibly have on the floor because as we've referenced, the total number we're talking about does change the math and there are some absences here on both sides. that's what's holding up the process. in terms of what's going to happen is again, first when they start proceeding on to the business that's pertinent, we are going to table on this motion to oust mccarthy. we expect based on our conversations that that motion is going to fail, this means they will move on to an actual vote about ousting the speaker. there are still some members who tell me they are actively deciding but i've been talking to republican members who are on the house floor right now feeling dejected. they've said it's bad in here and they don't feel good about what they've done with their majority in part because much of it has been dedicated to sparring with leadership. his job is going to be difficult regardless but i think i'm struck by the same thing garrett is struck by. mccarthy to a farcical point has been someone who's been a serial optimist at every inflection point in his speakership and someone who has reminded us as reporters that he is not just an optimist, but someone who never gives up. often quoting his father in that capacity. that's something that i thought was notable that he did not bring up here and that i was really listening for. so when garrett points out that we've covered him for a while and seen him at all these various points, he's right to point out that the words mccarthy used and the tone is really striking and notable for us who are trying to figure out how he wants to go down in history at this potentially historic moment. i also think that it's also notable when you talk about some of the absences here, there is i'm just trying to read from our house chat, i think it looks like speaker pelosi is not in the chamber in large part because she is home in san francisco mourning the loss of her long time friend and colleague, senator dianne feinstein. so for those of us who are not just counting the absences but also reading the personal implications for this, mccarthy and pelosi, no love lost between those two. if pelosi is playing any kind of role here that could let him keep his speakership or make that road less difficult, there is some irony there. of course very sad irony because the reason she's not here is because she's in mourning but nevertheless as we're playing the math game, the counting game, pelosi is not present here in d.c. >> let me read more from that statement. she said she is saddened not to be there for this historic vote. the speaker of the house is chosen by the majority party. in this congress, it is the responsibility of house republicans to choose a nominee and elect the speaker on the floor. at this time, there is no justification for a departure from this tradition. echoing what we have heard from so many of the democrats who have spoken today. folks like pramila jayapal. one of the things, brendan buck, that we're talking about is could there be some sort of meeting of the minds. could they make lemonade out of what are lemons and that's the best possible way of even describing this because it's far worse than lemons. but she said why would we make a deal with kevin mccarthy? we can't trust him. i'm trying to figure out if there's a delay. >> the reason they've been voting slowly is to get people back. that's not going to save mccarthy. matt gaetz can bring this up as many times as he wants. if there's a math problem today that isn't there next week, he could do this again. i don't think they necessarily want to make a deal with -- >> i'm going to interrupt you for a second. >> the resolution i previously noticed. >> the clerk will report the resolution. >> house resolution 757. resolved that the office of the speaker of the house of representatives is here by declared to be vacant. >> the resolution qualifies as question of the privileges of the house. for what purpose is the gentleman from oklahoma seek recognition. >> motion to table at the desk. >> the clerk will report the motion. >> mr. cole of oklahoma is to lay the resolution on the table. >> the question is on the motion to lay the resolution on the table. those in favor say aye. those who oppose, no. the ayes have it. >> yes, we would request the yays and nays. >> those favoring a vote will rise. the yays and nays are ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15 minute vote. by electronic device this is a 15 minute vote >> brendan, as someone who's been there, they offered a delayed resolution. they would still need to get this done by tomorrow, right? so that would delay it but it would eliminate it. >> well, when the motion is offered chafs offered yesterday, there are two days in which it has to be brought up. i think mccarthy has said let's do it today. if he were somehow to survive based on absences or whatever it may be, there's nothing that stops matt gaetz from offering the resolution again next week and he's said he would plan to bring this up many times and make mccarthy go through this many times. i think this is going to decide his fate today. what's going on right now is effectively a vote to kill the motion to vacate. if this motion were to succeed, it would basically go away right now. doesn't mean he couldn't offer it again next week or tomorrow or three weeks from now or 45 days from now. but this motion is to kill this. that's why you're seeing republicans voting overwhelmingly for it. this is not the motion that will ultimately remove him. if this motion fails, then we will have the actual vote on the motion to vacate. >> so, tell us, ali, what you're watching for here and who you're watching for. >> we're on. >> yeah, chris, one of the things i'm watching for is the way in which this was just breaking down quite frankly. the fact that tom cole was the mccarthy ally to offer the motion to table is notable for a few reasons. a, it shows that things are kind of going according to the way we thought they would. at least in terms of how tum we can plan this to be. he's a name i have heard floated from republicans as someone who could potentially be in the mix as a speaker. now, cole has made clear multiple times and again today in a statement he stands with speaker mccarthy, but certainly, chris, this underscores that so as they go through this vote and again, this is to get us on to the substantive vote of actually vacating the speakership, ousting mccarthy from his job, we expect this one is going to fail. they're not going to be able to table this motion. all democrats as we saw are asking these votes to be recorded. they have 15 minutes to do so. part of this is to make this process as long as possible because we've seen democrats implement a sort of stalling method on the floor to try to make sure they can get any of their attendance issues in order. we've seen this tactic over the weekend. during the shutdown. when they were trying to buy time for them to read the bill. we're now seeing them employ it again. at the end of this 15 minutes, we're likely to have a better sense of when mccarthy is going to be up for ousting. we expect that it's going to be after this vote. after it passes. again, the mood on the floor on the republican side is pretty dour. the conversations i've been having over text with members in their seats, they're watching this play out. they do not the math in favor of the guy they want to lead their conference. even though mccarthy went to the floor and has reminded time and time again, he has the majority of his conference, that's great. he just doesn't have the number that he needs. at least not right now. >> and if the same number of people vote that voted on the same resolution, he would need 214 for the motion to table. i want to bring in former republican congresswoman, barbara comstock of virginia. as you were watching this, what goes through your mind? >> well, i think it's a very sad day for the institution. to be brought to this. this is what maga has done. both to the institution, to the country, and you know, less so to the party. i'm sad for the party, but i'm even more sad for the country and for the institution. for the party, they aren't hanging together and if they do today, they're going to be hanging separately. that's what matt gaetz and his merry band of misfits will do. they're very destructive force. it's a sad day but they don't have a plan. what are they going to do after this. but this is what maga has done. so as someone who doesn't like what maga has done, certainly gets worse what they've done to the country, if they succeed in this, i think it will be sort of the demise of maga. and maga is also up in new york in the court today. so i think everyone's seeing what a destructive, you know, force this is. in both the judicial branch and now in the legislative branch. so rah rah, maga, you're really showing your ugly faces today. >> can i say how remarkable it is in that last hit you were talking without missing a beat would reading through your texts and e-mails so bravo to you, sister. unbelievable. give us some more context about what we're seeing on the floor because i know your phone is blowing up. >> i think that's real older sibling energy there, chris, the ability to multitask that. i think, i know, i love you, too. but i think the thing i'm paying attention to here as we watch the way this shakes out is the way that some of mccarthy's past detractors, maybe some of the folks who voted against the continuing resolution or people who have been agitators in the past, specifically members of the freedom caucus, the way they're voting on this motion to table, specifically one of the people who voted on this that i'm looking at. we knew nancy mace was going to vote against tabling this which is her saying hey, let's vote on the fate of the speakership. but the fact we also saw keith self say that he was voting yes to table this is notable. self is a member of the freedom caucus. someone who has agitated against mccarthy before. that's one vote we know that is likely to be shored up if and when we get to a motion to vacate. i think as i continue to look at this list, we now have ten republicans according to scott who's in the chamber, who are voting no on a motion to table. which effectively means again they are fine moving on to a vote on ousting mccarthy from their speakership. i'm going to read those ten. most are not surprising. congressman biggs. congressman buck. congressman burge, crane, davidson, gaetz, good, mace, rosendale, and sparts. that's really the pool that we're going to be looking at republican wise when it moves to the next phase of this, which is do they want to oust the speaker. many of those people, seven of them i believe was our last count, have said they would vote to vacate the chair. names on that list i'm looking at, people like ken buck who tweeted or x-ed or whatever we're calling it now in the last few minutes, that mccarthy did break promises to his right flank that he made back in january. he didn't say if that meant he was going to vote to oust him, but he's showing he has grievances against the speaker. he's one of those key names i'm looking at and similarly, i'm looking at nancy mace who has not decided whether or not she is going to vote to oust or keep the speaker but she's in an interesting position here. she's one of those front line republicans in a swingy district in south carolina, the charleston area. she's someone who's been with mccarthy at various points but has also been close to gaetz as i've been watching people walk around the halls here. mace has often been talking to gaetz. i know they've continued in communication about what that might look like going forward. gaetz has made his decisions and she's made hers. she's teased she could go in either direction on this vote to vacate, but clearly allowing it to come before the floor. >> let me bring back garrett haake and garrett as i was watching the nurls and reading the statement from the speaker nancy pelosi, i'm looking and thinking wow, could it be so close that that vote could make a difference. these are the gop no votes. biggs, buck, burge, crane, davidson, gaetz, good, rosendale, sparts. talk about what you're seeing on the floor right now. >> it was interesting to see this big clump of democrats. we see the noes overtaking the yays here which gets in the direction we thought we would land. i'm struck by the problems mccarthy has accumulated by some of the names on this list. victoria sparts is somebody who's gone back and forth on mccarthy to nancy mace. someone who has been supportive of mccarthy but felt repeatedly frustrated that he was either breaking promises to her or was not going along with the suggestions she was making to move the party in a different direction. coalition building is the whole nature of the job of being speaker and you expect successful speaker like the 200 or so members who backed kevin mccarthy think he is to have built on that coalition over time. not seeing it shrink underneath him and that's the core of the problem he faces now. the fact that former speaker pelosi is not here today would be the most fascinating political butterfly effect moment i can possibly imagine if her one vote ends up being material to this. although now, it doesn't look like it's going to be the case. >> thank you so much for that. please come back if you hear anything. carlos, one of the little phrases we just heard from him that stuck with me is coalition building. whatever happens here, how does anything get done in the next year and month and a half when you have this kind of animosity, this kind of frustration at the center of everything they're doing? >> central to that question is if mccarthy is deposed and if this is a proxy vote for that, there's a good chance he will be, what's the coalition that forms to elect a speaker? does the house elect a republican speaker with only republican votes? is that even possible and that coalition is the one that's going to decide what gets done in 43 days with government funding. what gets done later in the year. permitting reform. all of these questions are up in the air and the coalition that forms after this storm we're living today and it seems clear what the aftermath is going to like look right now, the coalition that forms is going to be in the unique position to either continue the status quo and have a republican majority that's held hostage to a handful of members or include some democrats and find a way forward in the house which isn't as authoritarian as it has been historically that meets the needs of the american people and of an overwhelming majority of its members. we have to zoom out here, chris, and take into account that 335 members voted for the bill that kevin mccarthy put on the floor the other day. when he put another bipartisan deal, the debt agreement on the floor, over 300 members voted for that. so this, you know, handful of members, maybe ten, maybe 15. they are suppressing the will of the overwhelming majority of the house. does that majority find a way to cobble together a governing coalition that could turn the page on this dark chapter for the house. >> there you see the numbers and you can see where they're trending. still a minute and 45 seconds left. but right now, the nays have it. at 218. 206 yay to table this. again, the clock is ticking. we have to wait for the gavel. we have to wait for a call on this vote, but you can look at those numbers and see exactly where they are. brendan buck, what happens now? we don't have brendan. so barbara, you also know what it is to be on the floor. i guess there's some question about whether or not then if they would move on to the vote to vacate and there would be some discussion, right? some debate? >> yes. no, they still can have some discussion now. perhaps delay this vote. they may still have some absences here. but you know, those 11, if it's 11 nay votes and i'm seeing there, we've got some drama queens in there who want to try to extract some. among those members, 200 other members who get things done, who pass bills who have a lot of interest in their districts who get frustrated with these few who are always taking the caucus hostage. like carlos said, if you're going to keep taking the caucus hostage, will those others decide to form another coalition? that's what's going to be interesting here. will they just go a whole other direction? the american people by and large like when we work together. they liked keeping the government open last saturday and they were happy to see that happen. and what the senate has done has a broad bipartisan support and the deal talked about in the senate of getting more border support -- >> let me interrupt you to go to the chair. >> the motion is not adopted. pursuant to clause 2 a 2 of rule nine, the gentleman from florida, mr. gaetz, and from oklahoma, mr. cole, will each control 30 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from florida. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i yield such time as you may consume to my colleague from virginia, mr. good. >> gentleman from virginia is recognized for such time as he may consume. and before the gentleman speaks, may i remind my colleagues that all parties need to be heard. would you please clear the well and clear the aisles. and any extraneous conversations need to be taken from the floor. . gentleman from virginia is recognized. >> thank you, mr. speaker. like so many others, i deeply regret that we are here in what was a totally avoidable situation. i must take you back to january, which for many of us, was about not repeating the failures of the past and letting republican voters across the country down once again, when in the past for many years, when republicans have had majorities in this chamber, we have passed our major spending bills predominantly with democrat votes. something the other side of the house has never and would never do with majority control. back in january, i expressed my concern that the previous two years during my first term here in this house we had not used every tool at our disposal to fight against the harmful, radical, democratic agenda that is destroying the country, bankrupting the country, and under which the american people are suffering. but most in here wouldn't know that i helped persuade my five colleagues who comprised the remaining resistance in the wee morning hours of january 7th to switch our votes to present to let speaker mccarthy become speaker. i went to him on this very floor to tell him he was finally going to become speaker on the next vote. in that moment, it was clear we could have asked for anything in switching our votes to present but we asked for nothing. the next week, i had a meeting with him to tell him he had my full support and that i wanted him to be successful because the country needed him to be successful. in the ensuing months, i helped him pass the parents bill of rights and limits grove bill. i think both by one or two votes, helping persuade some of my most conservative colleagues despite some of the concerns they had with those bills. we remained united as a conference as we passed a bill that was cutting spending to pre covid levels or just over $100 billion. historic spending cuts. as the speaker had committed to do in january and it also included a host of other conservative fiscal reforms. unfortunately, however, that unity and spending reforms were discarded in the failed responsibility act as i call it, which passed overwhelmingly once again with a majority of democrat votes, validating the concern many of us had in january. many of us had begged the speaker, pleaded with him repeatedly, the utilize the debt ceiling to leverage spending cuts and reform, but instead, he negotiated an unlimited increase to the debt ceiling through january of 2025 as much we can come together and gleefully spend together through january of 2025 with no significant wins for the people. but the speaker then said we would use appropriations to bring the fight and finally reduce our spending. he said the levels of the fra were the ceiling and not the floor. and committed, recommitted multiple times to go back to the 1.471 trillion radically historically saving $100 billion and lowering the deficit this year under republican majority from 2.2 trillion to 2.1 trillion. that's what we were asking the republican house to do. to go to 2.1 trillion. meanwhile, the speaker had committed to bring a balanced budget vote to this floor. something that still has not happened despite the work that's been done in our budget committee to mark it up and have it ready to come to the floor. he also promised we would bring all 12 appropriation bills well before the september 30 fiscal deadline. we did not we needed the speaker to request the support of the entire conference all of whom voted for the levels except for four who wanted to go further to delete us in joining him, supporting him and sending the most conservative spending bills with the most conservative cuts possible to the senate as that best starting position for negotiations with the senate. many of us begged and pleaded with the speaker to do that over the past five months. when the speaker failed to pass our spending bills bringing only one of 12 to the floor before the august district work period, members began to negotiate amongst themselves to find compromise. i was among those who reluctantly agreed last month to split the difference between failed responsibilities 1.586. to go to 1.526 in order to pass our bills on to the senate. we then essentially forced the speaker with the pressure of the calendar, the shutdown threat of the calendar, to bring those four bills to the floor last week. all of which i voted for despite some of them not cutting the levels we'd agreed to and other concerns i had with the bill. going back to the pre covid levels for nondefense discretionary. 30% and it had border security. i voted for that. however, when that vote failed, the speaker this past friday in the republican conference meeting made it clear he was willing to do anything to avoid the temporary discomfort and the pressure of a pause in the 15% of the non essential federal government operations. which would guarantee that we would lose to the senate democrats and the white house. if you're not willing to say no, then you're guaranteed to lose. and that was confirmed with the passage of the unconditional 45-day cr this past saturday. 209-1 democrats, 51-0 on the senate side. the speaker fought through 15 votes and was only able to fight through one failed cr before surrendering to the democrats. we have a speaker who will fight for something, anything, besides just staying or becoming speaker. if there was ever a time to fight with $33 trillion in national debt. a $2 trillion debt, 40-year high inflation, 20-year high interest rates, a downgraded credit rating and for the first time in modern history, the polls showing despite all the help of the media, blaming republicans in the house, the polls showed that the public was blaming biden and the democrats for an imminent shutdown. if not right now, when would we fight? not is and was the time. with the democrats driving the fiscal bus off the cliff at 100 miles an hour, we can't be content to be the party that slows it down to 95 just so we can sit in the front seat and wear the captain's hat. our current debt and spending trajectory is unsustainable. we need a speaker, ideally somebody who doesn't want to be speaker and hasn't pursued it at all costs for his entire adult life, who will meet the moment and do everything possible to fight for the country. a red line was crossed for me on saturday and so it's regret i must vote against the motion to table as i did and a vote to vacate the chair and i yield back. >> gentleman from florida. from oklahoma. >> thank you very much. i share one thing in common with my friend from virginia. this is a very sad day. and certainly a day i never expected to have to live through. i think broadly speaking as i look across the floor, you can divide members into three groups. i'm happy to be in the first group. the overwhelming majority of my party supports the speaker. we're proud of the leadership he's shown and the manner in which he's been willing to work. there's a second group. small group. honestly, they're willing to plunge this body into chaos and this country into uncertainty for reasons that only they really understand. i certainly don't. and then the friends on the other side. friends honestly with great sincerity. i have a lot of friends over there and i recognize they have a very complex set of partisan, personal, and political calculations to make. i wouldn't presume to give them any advice about that. but i would say think long and hard before you plunge us into chaos because that's where we're headed if we vacate the speakership. i think there are three reasons we've come to this point. at each three, the speaker did the right thing. he got 85% of the vote in our conference. 90% of the vote from republicans on this floor. yet we had a small group that decided no, they would dictate what they want. he fought. he fought for himself, but he fought for 90% of us, too, that wanted him to be the speaker and i appreciate that. then of course we had the debt ceiling deal. nobody here thought he could pass the bill. he did what speakers are supposed to do. he passed the bill. then he sat down and negotiated with a democratic senate and a democratic president and came back with a good deal. a deal that limits spending. he did the right thing. finally last saturday on this floor, we were on the verge of a government shutdown. a government shutdown with the vast majority of members in this chamber did not want. the substantial majority on my side, an overwhelming majority on the democrats side. he put his political neck on the line knowing this day was coming to do the right thing. the right thing for the country without a doubt. my friends and i agree on that whether or not we agree on the speaker. he did the right thing. he did the right thing i think for the this institution. he showed it could function in a time of crisis. finally, i think he did the right thing for our party. he made sure we could continue to negotiate and achieve some of the very objectives my friend

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