just the opposite. also tonight, kevin mccarthy's government shutdown is now just three days away with little hope he can get control of his chaos caucus in time to avert disaster. democratic house leader hakeem jeffries joins me. but we begin with breaking news tonight. judge tanya chutkan, presiding over donald trump's federal election interference case, has rejected trump's request for her to recuse herself in the case. judge chutkan's thorough rebuke that he should be prosecuted and imprisoned. it's trump's second defeat by a judge in just two days. yesterday's ruling by a new york judge, an attorney general latitia james civil lawsuit against trump undercut one of his most consequential myths, the lie that trump was in real life the character that he played on tv for 14 seasons on the apprentice. billionaire, successful real estate developer, a wise businessman. but the truth was, and still is, that the twice-impeached, four times indicted, civilly liable for sexual abuse former president has been none of those things. in his scathing, 35-page ruling, judge arthur n. gordon found that trump committed repeated acts of fraud for years as he massively overvalued his assets and net worth by billions of dollars in his financial statements. the judge said that trump's legal arguments defending those statements were based in a, quote, fantasy world. and noted the difference between how independent professional appraisers value trump's properties, compared to what trump claimed they were worth. his west chester county seven springs estate appraised at $30 million. trump's value, between 261 and $291 million. 40 wall street in manhattan was appraised at $540 million, trump's value, $735 million. and of course, there's mar-a-lago, which was appraised at between 18 and $27 million, but according to trump's financial statements, it was supposedly worth anywhere between 426 and $612 million. an overvaluation of at least 2,300%. and then there's trump's pension for overstating the size of things. the judge pointed to trump having wildly exaggerated the size of his new york apartment. in his flagship property trump tower on fifth avenue to pump up its value. repeatedly claiming it was over 30,000 square feet, when it was actually a third of that size. which prompted the judge to write -- a discrepancy of this order of magnitude by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades can only be considered fraud. and so, the trial in the civil lawsuit will begin on monday, more than four years after latitia james first opened her civil investigation. it's an investigation that she said only began because of the 2019 congressional testimony from trump's former lawyer, michael cohen, who put a spotlight on trump's misconduct. >> to your knowledge, did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues? >> yes. >> to your knowledge, did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> do you know -- to your knowledge, was the president interested in reducing his local real estate bills, tax bills? >> yes. >> and how did he do that? >> what you do is you deflate the value of the asset and then you put in a request to the tax department for a deduction. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump. >> joining me now is michael cohen, trump's former person lawyer, host of the political beatdown podcast and author of "revenge" how donald trump weaponized the department of justice. >> mar-a-lago he claims is worth -- it's kind of funny, $1.5 billion. here is the deposition from donald trump. question, do you have a sense of the price of mar-a-lago, the value, yes. i think i do. i mean, i think i do. how much do you think it's worth, 1.5 billion. what's your basis for that? just broker talk. never been for sale. two people owned it. based on what will have people come in, experts and like this to show a price of 1.5. i believe the price is 1.5 billion. he makes up the value of things out of his own mind, how he is feeling that day? >> absolutely. there's no basis for a $1.5 billion valuation of mar-a-lago. let me, though, be clear, when judge -- when judge in this specific case stated that the value of mar-a-lago was between 14 to $26 million, he didn't mean the sale price. he was talking about the assessed value. and trump actually tried to have that reduced even further because by reducing it even further, based upon some alga rhythmic number that's used by the state, would reduce the tax bases. >> right. >> it's not the value of the property. i would pay $20 million for mar-a-lago in a heart beat. so would anybody in palm beach. >> sure. >> he's talking about the assessed value. there's some number. i wanted to be clear about that. >> sure. >> but under no circumstance is it worth anywhere near $1.5 billion. >> right. and some of the things he's doing, in the case of mar-a-lago, it is zoned to be a club. it is not a private residence anymore because he had to give it up in bankruptcy and make it turn a profit, so he's assessing it as if he could sell it as parcelled off lots in palm beach and then inflating that by 3,000%. >> right. first of all, you can't just take a property, which is zoned as a social club and automatically turn it into a residential property. then on top of that you can't parcel it off simply because that's what you want to do. there's all forms of application and he would not be entitled to it. first of all, let's assume that he sold the property tomorrow. he doesn't get the money. he doesn't get to keep all that money. there are people that paid $350,000 as a bond to be a member of that club. they're entitled to their bond money back. they may not be entitled to interest. i'm not sure how the paperwork goes. i'm pretty sure knowing donald there's no interest that will be paid on it. but for certain, they're entitled to their bond money back. and he's got several hundred members. so now you have to take that amount of money. >> right. >> reduce it and if, in fact that he's forced to sell it, there's also the delta between his acquisition, which is called the bases and how much he sold it for, he's going to have to pay federal tax on that money, too. >> and he did this with property after property. we'll put them up on. seven springs, mar-a-lago, trump national golf club, trump national golf club l.a. and the trump park avenue. he doesn't own as many things as people think, by the way. so in the case of seven springs, he plussed it up from 30 million to almost 291 million. the case of 40 wall street, 540 to 735. case of mar-a-lago we just talked about. trump national golf club, he says 73. 16 to 56. we could go on, trump park avenue, 750,000. these are rent-controlled apartments. >> not all of them. not all of them. >> but there is 750,000 -- 62,500 per unit but inflated by 700%. he's making up numbers and says based on the value of his name and brand and the judge came out and dropped an anville on him. what happens now? that part of the case is over. latitia james won that. now he has to litigate the other parts of it. is just how much he's going to pay? >> yeah. all trials in new york are bifurcated. two parts to it. the first part is the liability. that's been decided by the judge yesterday in this decision. now you go to the second part based on damages. how much is -- are unsinkable attorney general tish james going to take from donald trump based upon the overvaluation and the actions that he did with the personal financial statement, how much is she going to hit him up for that? that doesn't even include interest and penalty that gets associated to it. now, there's a lot of mistakes that are made by pundits and journalists, where they turn around and claim that it's a $250 million lawsuit. no, it is not. it's a baseline of 250 million dollars. that means she's not going less than 250 million. >> that's the minimum. >> that's the bottom. >> yeah. >> how much? well, that we'll see at trial. which, as you know, i've already been subpoenaed by tish james in order to testify. >> yeah. >> i have to be very honest with you, after a lot of the actions that we're seeing, the attacks on judge chutkan, the attacks on tish james herself, the attacks on d.a. alvin bragg, the attacks on everyone. >> fani willis, jack smith. >> everybody. let me tell you something, i think it's going -- it's incumbent now upon government -- i listen again to a lot of pundits on the various different staxs talking about how they have to do something to curb donald trump's language. what are we going to wait until something god forbid happens and then everyone is going to say thoughts an prayers to the family? no. he should not be permitted to do what he's doing. he's threatening judges. he's threatening prosecutors. he's threatening witnesses. this is all obstruction of justice. >> yeah. >> and witness tampering. and if they don't do something about it, i have a strong suspicion a lot of people may not end up showing up to testify. listen, i'm considering it myself despite the fact i'm under subpoena. i don't have to put my life on the line simply because donald trump cannot control himself. and the courts are not controlling him. >> the point being that the witnesses don't have security. the judges have security but the witnesses are sort of on their own if they can't afford personal security. >> first of all, nobody should be required to pay for personal security because the government needs you in order to prove their case. >> that's right. >> i have stated that i intend to testify. i said it to god rest his soul representative elijah cummings. i said to him that i will do what i need to do in order to ensure that donald trump is held accountable. and i have done that. i have honored my pledge to this great man. unfortunately i also don't want -- i don't want to meet my maker just yet. and i think it's incumbent upon government because there are too many maga supporters out there that don't understand, as donald, right, doesn't understand reality from fantasy, all right? >> yeah. >> we don't live in disney land. we live in reality. and his numbers at disney land and so is his behavior. it's just not normal. >> you also have a case directly with him. you're going to be able to depose him because you have a lawsuit. talk about that. >> actually tomorrow we have a compliance conference with the court. no different than what he's doing in all of these other cases. he goes ahead and he files motion after motion. he's the plaintiff. plaintiff isn't supposed to fight you for a deposition. he's supposed to provide you with the discovery and the documentation that you need. it's part of the way the system works. nope. not in this specific case. his goal was to wait, which is what his lawyer asked for, 90 days after the election in order to be deposed. the judge in this specific case, it's insane, we have court order coming up for october 3rd. now, of course, they don't want to do it because they're saying the october 2nd start of the a.g.'s case. i wonder whether donald is coming to the a.g.'s case. i wonder if he'll show up at all. if he isn't, why would that then preclude him from appearing for the 7 or 9-hour deposition that we're entitled to take. >> please come back and tell us how that goes because it should be interesting. he in a deposition usually doesn't do well. >> no, he doesn't. >> bad for him. the truth ain't on his side. >> no. >> michael cohen, thank you. >> good to see you. up next on "the reidout," the awkward feeling when you try to drum up support with striking union workers by giving a campaign speech at a non-union factory. brilliant. 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(soft music) donald trump is skipping another presidential debate tonight. this time to capitalize on the united autoworkers strike by speaking at a non-union plant outside detroit in the next hour. it's deja vu all over again. remember how he promised to revive domestic manufacturing when he ran in 2016? it was essentially a main tenant in the make america great again mantra and it worked. because trump won the 2016 election largely because he carried rust belt states like michigan, wisconsin and iowa. he targeted those voters will false promises, choosing michigan, the very place that he's speaking tonight to make his closing argument, in a direct appeal to union workers on the last day of his campaign. >> i know exactly what to do, folks. we're not going to lose your jobs anymore. we're not going to lose your jobs anymore. we are going to bring back the automobile industry to michigan. bigger and better and stronger than ever before. >> those lies may not work this time around. the uaw's vice president shared his thoughts on trump's trip to michigan tonight. telling the detroit free press, quote, coming to michigano speak at a non-union employer and pretending it has anything to do with our fight at the big three is just more verbal diarrhea. let that linger for a moment in your mind. verbal diarrhea from the former president. joining me now is our panel extraordinary, stephanie ruhle, host of the 11th hour. i love having all of you all here. >> it's a competition for who will deliver the verbal diarrhea. >> verbal ddiarrhea. >> i'll go to you first on that. you're the one who talks in class. i'll go to you first. the thing about it is it worked. can i just play for a second -- >> this is the most important thing that it worked. >> i worked. when i travel for work, i always go right to local broadcast news. i don't turn on cable news. i turn on the local stations. when i was in pennsylvania, when i was in ohio, this is the ad that was running like water in 2016. take a look. >> sends our skyscrapers soaring. ♪♪ it will be american hands, american workers that remake this country. we're going to be working again. we're going to have great jobs again. we're going to make america great again for everyone. greater than ever before. >> and people believed it, stephanie. >> they did. this time joe biden isn't taking that for granted. >> yes. >> yesterday when you saw him on the picket line, right, there's all sorts of politicians that have said we're pro-union and joe biden has always been a union guy. you cannot find another president that literally walked the picket line because he is not taking those voters for granted, which many can argue hillary clinton did back in -- >> think never answered that ad. >> but she didn't answer that ad because they thought, well, we have the union bosses and they did. but that was the first time union workers split from their bosses who said, following you has got me nothing. and that was why it was a very savvy move for joe biden, assuming that's the base he wants to keep, he said i am here for you. >> absolutely. molly, the thing is the numbers are very clear. joe biden actually managed to pull back enough. democrats normally do better with the union vote. normally do. but barack obama -- but biden, i should say, i'm sorry. donald trump did better with unio voters than most republicans do. you can just see it there. romney got 40%. trump got 42% but that 2% was just enough to squeak him over the line. and if you were an autoworker or steel worker and you're seeing the plants close, a message that says we're going to put you back to work is a powerful message. the guys from the apprentice, he is rich. he must know how to do it. it worked. joe biden is a working class guy, able to pull them back. but that is the key to keeping the white house. >> right. no question. and this is really -- michigan is a key state. but i do want to remind you that it does have a democratic governor. >> it does. >> and three democratic women killing it in that state. but yeah, i think that's totally right. and i think that this is like incredible time for labor. the wga just got the best contract and they are killing it. and s.a.g. is about to get a deal, i think, that's going to -- >> u.p.s. did. >> u.p.s. >> yeah. >> this is the time when workers are finally getting their due. so to have an american president on that picket line yesterday, first time ever, i mean, you can't -- it's so exciting. and i do think that excitement is real, right? it's not manufactured. it's not lies that trump is saying. >> yep. >> it's real stuff. so i think it speaks to people. >> and i promise you we did not exile the men into the box. they are just in the box. it's completely coincidental. let me go to the guys for just a second. the thing is there is a tension in the whole idea of we want green. we want to go to green technology. joe biden put a lot of money into it. but for autoworkers, they see those green tech jobs and they see jobs in north carolina, jobs in south carolina, that are nonunion, that pay less and not jobs in michigan and in ohio and pennsylvania. that's the reality. so, biden does have to walk that line because the more he says green, the more a lot of union workers hear jobs leaving our state. >> but let's be clear as well, joy, the uaw made it very clear, they're not against ev production, not against electric vehicles, not against green tech. they want those to be unionized jobs. they want them to pay fair wages. they don't people like elon tusk and tesla against union. everything donald trump says is a lie. what annoys me is we shouldn't be helping him with those lies. the amount of media coverage over the last few days suggesting donald trump tonight is going to see striking uaw workers. he is not going to see striking uaw workers. he is going to a non-union plant to talk to non-uaw members. by the way, there was a massive gm walk-out four years ago this month, september, 2019. donald trump was president when 50,000 uaw workers walked out. he didn't go to the picket line then, when he was president, he didn't do anything. joe biden as president, stephanie says the first president in history, to actual walk the picket line. even if joe biden hadn't gone to walk the picket line, still the most pro-union president in our life time. look what he does. biden's board protected workers. trump took their rights away. >> michael, this is just the political reality. donald trump closed his campaign in michigan. he promised that jobs are coming back. the plants he said would stay open closed. same thing in indiana. he said don't sell your homes. don't go anywhere. these jobs ain't going nowhere. plant then closes. you could do this story over and over again. and then he would blame like the union bosses and say, well, it's their fault. no, actually it's not their fault. you said you were going to save those jobs. voters aren't dumb. they know what he did and didn't do. the idea that he's promises kept president the union and the jobs issue, this man never used american steel in his building. never been a friend of the american worker. >> he's not, joy. but you go back to your little poll there that showed 42% of union workers backing him in '16, and 40% in '20, so even with all the lies, where is the penalty? where is the penalty? 40% you drop 2%? and you know to mendi's point, this guy is full of crap. the union boss said, hey, the diarrhea is running here, folks. right? >> that's why biden can't take it for granted. that's why he has got to show up. >> he can't take it for granted. the reality of this election we're about to go into is not what we're seeing at the periphery around union versus nonunion. it is how it is being eaten up and received by the voters who still believe 75% that the economy stinks. and 56% believe joe biden is the reason it stinks. so, the democrats have a big problem if they don't figure out very soon how to narrate the story. he has started that motion, which is going to be critically important because from 42 to 40, in four years, tells me there's still a lot more that's sticking with some of those union workers who like trump. >> and those things are usually cultural. but when you look at -- i wanted to talk to you. i've been dying to talk to you about this whole amazon thing. there are things in the economy when i talk to my adult children, my kid-ults. yeah the economy on paper looks good but rent is too high. >> and your kids are right and michael is touching on something that is so important about the economy. and it's something democrats are missing. the economy has had an extraordinary recovery since covid. it is great that we are not in recession. it is great that inflation is not running as hot as it was. however, democrats just keep saying the economy is great. but it's okay to also say people don't feel great. because if you walk out of here and you want to go get a bacon, egg and cheese. it's not $5. it's $10. right? you want to go get a pizza that was 16 bucks, it's 22 and we're in september. people are getting their credit card bills from the vacation they took this summer. and it's twice as much as it was. so at the very least, democrats need to narrow this gap and acknowledge that. inflation isn't running higher, but prices have not gone down and gas prices are going up. so both things can be true that we've had a really good recovery, but things still don't feel good. and you have to reconcile those. >> but wages -- this is all about wages going up. so, i do think there is a middle ground here. and we're seeing that these union bargains are really, you know -- >> by the way -- >> wages go up, there is a chance, whether it's fair or not, prices are going to go up. just is. >> by the way, the unions are at sort of record popularity because of that. people are like who is fighting for me. my esteem panel is sticking around. it's a hostage situation at this point. they'll stick around how the right is obsessing over how biden is old and men it will acuity. happily ignoring trump's repeated mistakes and missteps. we'll be back in just a moment. s we'll be back in just a moment so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪♪ when you have chronic kidney disease... there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. if you have chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life. ♪ farxiga ♪ and farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure, which can lead to dialysis. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections in women and men, and low blood sugar. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may lead to death. a rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this bacterial infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. farxiga can help you keep living life. ask your doctor for farxiga for chronic kidney disease. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪ farxiga ♪ ♪♪ if you pick up any newspaper or peruse any news website, you'll see a lot of talk about president biden's age. yesterday axios posted this nifty headline about biden wearing sneakers and exercising because he's old. shoot, i guess i'm old, too. i prefer sneakers as well. the article doesn't say much beyond that and they don't actually talk about the former president's age, despite trump being just three years younger than trump. for an industry that loves to both sides us and will easily both sides us into autocracy, it really doesn't seem to both sides this one. if they did, there would be robust conversation about trump's age or more importantly his mental acuity. recently he told supporters it was jeb bush, you know, jeb, the former florida governor who led us into the iraq war. >> whoen i came here, everyone thought bush was going to win. they thought bush because bush supposedly was a military person. great. he got us into the -- he got us into the middle east. how did that work out, right? but they all thought that bush might win, jeb. >> yeah, jeb is the other one. i'm still waiting for a long dissertation from a myriad of fair and balanced news organization about that gaffe or any of the other times that trump was confused or incoherent. >> belgium is a beautiful city. >> mr. president, mr. president, you need to sign it. >> said we've just launched 59 missiles heading to iraq. >> headed to syria? >> yes. heading toward syria. and i want you to know that. >> our army man the air. it ran the ramparts. it took over the airports. it did everything it had to do. and it fought mchenry under the rockets red glare, it has nothing but victory. >> then i see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, one minute. and is there a way we can do something like that? by injection. >> you know, you have voter id to buy a loaf of bread. you have id to buy a loaf of bread. >> and we did it with obama, we won an election that everyone said couldn't be won. we would be in world war ii very quickly if we're going to be relying on that man. >> music playing. the ramparts. oh, oh. the ramparts. the fact remains that president biden and donald trump are both older. but isn't the more important question, who is actually delivered for the american public and who is willing to preserve our democracy? because only trump has led an insurrection, been indicted on 91 felony counts and been found civilly liable for sexual assault and guilty of property valuation fraud in a civil case literally yesterday and only trump called for the execution of military officials, slung an anti-semitic attack on american jews on an american jewish holiday and silenced the media, promised to imprison his political opponents, ended abortion access and nearly half of the u.s. but please, please, media, tell me more about biden's sneakers. back with me are my amazing panel, stephanie ruhle, mendi hassan. molly jong, michael steele. how has the media managed to make people who are three years different in age so completely different in terms of the threat of them? >> like you, i'm losing my mind. but i would say in trump's defense, when he incited that insurrection, he wasn't weared sneakers. he was dressed much better than john fetterman and joe biden. you have to give him a pass on that one. the age thing is ridiculous. joe biden's age is legitimate issue. joe biden was running against ron desantis, 40 something. trump is only three years younger. as the mental health issues, really, really? we're going to have a discuss about who is measure mentally competent? you need id to buy a loaf of bread, the guy who said -- joe biden will start world war ii which ended a year before trump was born, ramped incessantly about water pressure in his showers and toilet is the more mentally competent guy? >> michael steele, he's afraid of windmills. he's afraid of windmills. >> i like joy said women. >> he afraid of women, too. ask latitia james. he afraid of her and fani willis. go ahead, michael. >> these are straw dog narratives to get us off on to something other than the sheer incompetence of the man who held the job before biden. the sheer b anti-democratic ideas that he stands for. they don't want to talk about that. it is royaling inside the party in a number of ways. you have people now trying to figure out how to break away from it all together. and they're trapped because they allowed it to get this far. then you have others who are going to continue to insist on and persisting in pushing these narratives out here about biden's help, all the while not stating the obvious, that donald trump's handicap is his ignorance. his handicap is his inability to govern. his handicap are the elections he's lost and the elections he will lose. and so, this has nothing to do with -- at the end of the day, this is all politics. and the politics goes to what mendi was saying. if i'm going to talk about 40 something against 80 something in a presidential election, legitimate discussion. talking about an 80-year-old running against a 77-year-old. who has the wet diaper and that's donald trump. >> started out tonight with verbal diarrhea and ended with a wet diaper. this is too much to me. >> who always comes into it. >> too much. >> molly, you did write a great piece on this. and i mean, i just want to point you toward peter baker, of the "new york times," he retweeted a thing about, you know, biden wearing sneakers because he's old, right? and people were like, oh, maybe you want to maybe talk about some of these other things. the new york opinion page, writer for the new york board.com pointed out on twitter, that from -- september 1st, 2023, to september 26th, "the new york times" opinion section published 17 articles that mentioned the words trump indictment during that same period the opinion section ran 39 articles, more than twice as many, that included the word biden age. what is happening in the media side? >> biden's age is the emails. there's a normal candidate and then there's this guy who has all the indictments and the, you know, armed insurrection. that guy is not a normal candidate. and the mainstream media, and again, i don't know what's going on, i don't know what's in hearts and mind, but they are just stuck in this false equivalency land and the road to a trump re-election is paved with false equivalencies. >> absolutely. >> paved with sneakers are the same as an insurrection. four indictments is the same as being 80. they are not the same. >> here is why the age thing makes no sense, and i would like to say, i'm wearing sneakers. >> cute sneakers to. >> and i'm 47 and fabulous. any way, if they want to change policy and take action around the age of lawmakers, and i'm not being ageist, if you want to have that conversation because we're talking about it with members of congress, in private industry, there are all sorts of corporate boards with limits f they want to go down that route, have at it. but no policy is going to change between today and this upcoming presidential election. we got what we got as far as the rules go. so move on.com. >> absolutely. i think you had a thought. >> no, i was just going to say, actually have a debate, you remember the last presidential debate where trump ranting and raving. i look at the polls and the polls seem to suggest that people think trump is more competent than biden. people in america have very, very bad short-term memories and i just think we need -- once people see him back there doing his crazy stuff, i think they'll change. >> the thing is that it won't come up in the debate tonight. no one has the cojones to say that he is too old for the job. >> that's on them. >> but republicans will never hold trump accountable. we now know this. they're not interested. if you do, you end up out of the party. >> michael steele, give us a preview. what are we going to see tonight? i love trump. i love trump. i'm chris christie? >> i think you'll hear a softer version of that because i think to molly's point, there's no incentive for them to do otherwise. >> yeah. >> i think you're going to see ron desantis desperately try to rehabilitate his campaign desperately and there's nothing worse than a desperate ron desantis. so that ought to be entertaining. >> what is he going to do with his career next? he can't do a cooking show. he eat pudden with his fingers. >> he eats pudding with his fingers and the nails afterwards, it's a mess. >> he got a six-week abortion ban and he eat pudding with his fingers. nobody want to shake his hand. how you be president with pudding on his hand. >> is he going to do that rant again? >> that nasty. >> joy, he rants and then he smiles and tries to smile at the end. >> we should probably do it again. coming up next, house democratic leader hakeem jeffries joins me. we'll bring it back to more serious things with an update on how hostage negotiations with republicans are going with just three days left to avoid a government shutdown. back in a second. shutdown. back in a second (upbeat music) - [narrator] what if there was a hearing aid that could keep up with you? 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well, house republicans will hold their first biden impeachment inquiry tomorrow. impeachment hearing tomorrow afternoon. and today they adopted an amendment from marjorie taylor greene to cut defense secretary lloyd austin salary to no more than $1. joining me now is hakeem jeffries of new york. leader jeffries thank you so much for being here. i do want to start with that last element because it doesn't seem that house republicans are taking this entirely seriously if their plan is to cut the defense secretary's salary to a dollar. are the negotiations on the other side in your view serious or at this point is it just for show? >> well, good evening, joy. great to be with you. and you are absolutely correct, it's just for show. these are not serious individuals. but they are being led by individuals like marjorie taylor greene who is driving the house of representatives toward a government shutdown that would betowards the government shutdown, which will be reckless, and hurt the american people. we are wasting time, doing things that have no shot of becoming a law, by cutting the defense secretary's salary to $1 per year. they are also engaging for the impeachment inquiry, it is the bipartisan bill. they are moving the bipartisan bill for 77 senators voting to advance yesterday. it would fund the government in a way that meets the americans for the ukrainian war effort, and for every day americans who've been hit hard for extreme weather events across the country. and, also these extreme policy, poison pill amendments, by trying to undermine reproductive freedom for women. that is the only option forward. >> the audience understands what they're proposing, let me put it on screen. 1 million dollars cutting low income mothers, and low income kids to, put them on a waitlist for nutrition age. a 70% cotton home heating assistance, winter is coming. 80% cut in funding for schools with high concentrations of students and property, 33% cuts to housing subsidies, 60,000 seniors, with meals on wheels. and yet, it was a shutdown because 4 million federal employees, 850,000 workers furloughed, losing pay. military, 1.3 million active duty members continue to work without may. social security medicare checks will be sent out, but you cannot replace your social security cards, et cetera. food assistance benefits will be slashed, first snap. air travel, tsa agents would have to work without pay. national parks, someone remain open, but maintenance would stop. you can go, on and, on and on. speaker mccarthy, they are blaming joe biden. they're saying that joe biden refusing to meet with them, and is the reason why they might have a shutdown. what does joe biden have to do with passing a spending bill? >> absolutely nothing. president joe biden has done his job. in fact, we all did our jobs, a few months ago, when we resolved the reckless republican default crisis, coming to an agreement, with more than 300 members of the house of representatives, supporting that agreement, and vote for the senate. it came to the presidents desk, president biden, signing it into law, and that agreement is including setting the top line spending all those numbers for the upcoming fiscal year. but a few days after that agreement, it was signed into law, the extreme maga republicans in the house will be going back on the agreement, and that they negotiated, and supported overwhelmingly on the house floor. why? because they want to drive us to the government shutdown. or, demand payment for an extreme the bill. they include things like cutting, slashing funding for public education, and they want to impose the discontinued march for undermining reproductive freedoms, criminalizing, abortion care, cutting access to social security, and it was in americans from all of the time to undermine public housing, with public health, and things of this nature are extraordinary. they want to jam the right wing ideology, to have a storm for the american people, and is having to shut down the government. >> the bottom line question, you provide the votes, the democratic caucus is passing the senate bill that they were talking about. is that the plan for the democrats would provide the votes with whatever republicans are willing to be serious, and just passed the senate bill? >> what should happen is they are calling for an up and down vote with the senate, and is continuing resolution to fund the government will fund the american people. this provides a substantial number of votes, the lion share of votes, and it is a handful, of so-called, traditional republicans to join with us in the joint interest of the american people, and the extreme maga republicans shut down that will hurt everyone. >> we're running out of time, i apologize, but if kevin mccarthy continues putting that bill on the floor, will discharge petition follow? we know he will probably lose his speakership if that happens, but can you foresee a discharge petition, and forcing a vote on the senate bill? >> all options are on the table, and we should be able to come together, in a bipartisan way, to do the basic things that we are here to do, which is funding the government with everyday americans. >> three days, house democratic leader, hakeem jeffries, we appreciate you being here. we will be right back. l be right back. we're traveling all across america, talking to people about their hearts. how's the heart? 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