rushed to trump's defense. vowing to investigate the investigators. and threatening civil war. but we begin tonight with the defendant id'd at the fulton county jail as p-01135809. this is the real donald trump. not the fictional character millions of people have been led to believe in. this man has never been a billionaire. he never was a brilliant real estate developer. the master businessman seen on the apprentice for so many years was a fiction, a creation of the show's producers. nothing more. but that fictional character was somehow able to hoist himself into the white house, and like many facades, this one was always going to crumble. yesterday, those 22 minutes trump spent going through the booking process in the fulton county jail must have been the worst humiliation of his life. and yet, even in that moment, he could not bring himself to let go of that fictional character. the man he wanted to be but never could. his booking record declared that pp-1135809a's weight was 6'3" and his -- his height as 6'3" and his weight being 215 pounds. not only would that put him nearly 30 pounds lighter than his disclosed weight at the time of his last official white house physical, it would mean he was nearly the exact same -- he had nearly the exact same physical stats as heavyweight champion muhammad ali in his prime. i'm going to let you decide if you buy that. and while the fictional character isn't real, the crime syndicate he put in place is very real and the people connected to it are likely to pay the price. their reputations, their careers, and even their freedom are on the line. all 18 of trump's codefendants have surrendered alongside their ringleader and remember, this is the man countless people believed in so much they were willing to commit crimes on his behalf. more than 1,000 people have been charged in connection with his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, which he lost. many are sitting in prison right now, tonight, because in their rank idolatry, they raised him up as a false god. and now, their golden calf has begun to melt away, revealing the cheap tin underneath. and as trump made his way to the jail yesterday, i was reminded of the saying, it's not about the destination, it's the journey. now, i can't say what trump was thinking about as he made his way from hartsfield-jackson airport to the jail, but his journey through atlanta was spectacularly poetic. along the route were multiple tributes to georgia's own jimmy carter, a president often maligned in office but revered in his post presidency and in history. for trump, it's quite the opposite. he also had to roll through some of atlanta's best known predominantly black communities, passing through the neighborhoods housing hbcus attended by some of the same black voters he tried to disenfranchise. journey with his fleet of suvs did not take him past tyler perry's studio, where he would rather be visited to attend a party or gala surrounded by celebrities which is all he ever wanted in life. it's where he thought he would end up in fact. and not as a first former president in our country's history withaic booing number and a mugshot. a mugshot that's been splashed across newspaper front pages, not just here at home, but around the world. trump's humiliation yesterday would be a perfect ending to his reality show life. but the threat of the man behind this fictional character remains. because there is the real chance he could once again find himself behind the resolute desk in the white house, because at this moment, he remains the republican front-runner. joining me now is melissa redman, law professor and director of the prosecutorial justice program at the university of georgia. michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian, and the reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and the president of the national action network. i'm going to go down the middle and talk to you first, michael beschloss, because i would like for you to set the sort of historical moment for us and how we should be thinking about this. for me, it was the karma, to be honest. it was him going through the black neighborhoods, going past jimmy carter, the reverential monuments to jimmy carter, and the fact that his whole facade and his whole bravado were completely trumped if i could use that word, by the fact he had to take that booking photo, no matter how much he rehearsed, he still had to take it. what do you is the think we should be thinking about? >> i would love to begin with a little more historical karma, and that is that for those who don't know, the fulton county jail is so appropriate that we have the reverend here and bernice king, because it's a huge moment in martin luther king jr.'s history. october of 1960, he was leading a sit-in at richard's department store in atlanta. he was arrested by the local atlanta authorities. they took him, where else, an earlier building, but same place. fulton county jail. and they were threatening to take dr. king to a much more notorious and dangerous georgia prison. mrs. king was terrified. she thought her husband would never survive being thrown into that prison with its vicious and violent racists. and so john kennedy's entourage made a call to the governor and the judge famously got dr. king out, but what's the moral of the story? the moral of the story is, in 1960, this great iconic champion of human rights, of civil rights, of voting rights, was being stopped in this jail so he couldn't keep on his work expanding those rights. here we are 2023, a guy who is about as far -- as close to being the opposite of dr. king as i can think of would be donald trump. and donald trump is the opponent of those civil rights and human rights and voting rights. and he proved that in what he tried to do in georgia, thank god he's being brought to justice, and where is it happening? the fulton county jail. you know, life has turned around, the cycle has turned. and as dr. king, i think, would say, the arc of the moral universe may be long, but tonight it seems to be at least in fulton county, bending toward justice. >> you see, this is why it's great to have a historian friend around, and also a real friend will tease your later segment. we have bernice king on the show tonight. this is a real friend and also my friend and big brother, reverend al sharpton. a perfect place to bring you in. yeah, there is so much resnns to this happening in georgia, rev. you think about the fact georgia passed these laws to do run-offs to make it harder for black folks to get elected in that state, and yet fani willis is here. she was elected, and because she was elected, this black woman is bringing justice to trump in a way nobody else was willing to do, including making him take a mugshot. and i want you to ruminate on that last piece of what michael beschloss said. i think it's a perfect place to come in. donald trump's supporters including marjorie greene, she represents that part of georgia, are trying to use his booking photo as some sort of badge of honor, and making their own fake booking photos. as if they are like the civil rights workers in the 1960s who did have their booking photos as badges of honor because they were fighting to expand voting rights. these people think they can cos play as that with and for donald trump. so you as a civil rights leader, rev, i'm going to let you respond to that. >> i think that when we look at the king mugshot and those important in the civil rights movement and went to jail, when you look at donald trump's mugshot, aside from them trying to figure out how to pose and what he wanted to look like, you also have to look at what he is in the mugshot for. he's in the mugshot for trying to rob the votes of people that suffered and died to have that right to vote. that dr. king gave his life for, that mrs. king gave her life for. i think as we remember the march on washington and we're in washington having a march tomorrow and we're here, reverend bernice king is still my favorite preacher, going to be on your show tonight, and martin is here, martin iii, and all of us remembering that dream, but finding what we're dealing with today, all of which donald trump tried to help pull back. don't forget, affirmative action is now still because donald trump stacked the supreme court. we saw the rights of lgbtq people stifled because of that court. so donald trump did a lot to wreck america, but he's wrecked his life. he is the wizard of ozof politics. when we look behind the curtain, we found out the wizard wasn't a wizard at all. that is what happened when we saw him pull up to the fulton county jail yesterday. i thought about james brown, the godfather of soul. you know, joy, was like a father to me. his favorite scripture in the bible was the 32nd psalm. threat not thai thyself because they shall soon be cut down. god didn't give a date. david didn't give a date. he said soon. and yesterday, as i watched him ride through the black areas of atlanta to be booked and fingerprinted and mugshotted, i know soon caught up with donald trump. >> amen, it's not sunday but you get an amen for that. >> melissa, to stay in the same vein, there are two genuine heroes in this story of what happened in georgia. their names are ruby freeman and shaye moss, shaye moss her daughter. and they were among the few civilians, these are not elected officials. these were two poll workers, some of the people we all know when we go to vote, they recognize us, say hey baby every time you go to vote. they were those ladies. and they were not just thrown under the bus and accused by rudy giuliani and donald trump of literally stealing the election in georgia, they were then targeted, part of the indictment here is a scheme by three people including kanye west's former publicist to harass them and try to force them to take the fall for a lie. let me play what they had to say during the january 6th hearings. >> it's turned my life upside down. i no longer give out my business card. i don't transfer calls. i don't want anyone knowing my name. i don't want to go anywhere with my mom because she might yell my name out over the grocery aisle or something. >> there's nowhere i feel safe. nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. but he targeted me. lady ruby. >> melissa redman, can you talk from the legal point of view of the importance of having brave civilians, people who don't have secret service protection and a fleet of limos to do their civic duty and stand up and tell the truth, because they're much of the reason we're here today. >> right. and it's important for citizens to take that responsibility seriously, because without people like ruby freeman and shaye moss, we wouldn't have witnesses. they have to come to court without, as you said, the protection of secret service, without the protection of hundreds of thousands, millions of people behind them, believing whatever they say, to point at the person who did them harm and say this was the person that came to my home, this was the person who threatened me, this was the person who accused me of a crime, and had the courage to do that. we see that a lot in prosecution with victims who are not willing to come forward. they kind of want to put the incident behind them and try to go on with their lives. so the fact that these two women are brave enough to put themselves in the situation, to relive the trauma of what they experienced, not only in their testimony in the january 6th commission but to the grand jury, and they're going to have to do it again at trial. they really have to be commended for having the courage to do that. >> there are speedy trial requests now, ms. redman, fulton county judge, a trial date has been set for kenneth chesebro, his speedy trial request has been granted. sidney powell is also now requesting a speedy trial. what do you think that that will mean? does that mean that we will actually get to see a televised trial that could be a preview to what we might see with these other defendants including donald trump. >> that's exactly what it will be. fulton county does allow cameras in the courtroom. i believe the media has filed rule 22s to allow cameras and the judge has allowed that. and it will give not only the country but the other defendants, the codefendants a sneak peek at the state's case. so we'll see -- the state still wants to make out that conspiracy, the whole -- the enterprise. so a lot of the evidence that are mostly relevant towards the defendants who are not yet on trial, will still be able to see that play out against the two that have filed the speeda trial demand. >> very quickly, one question each for michael and reverend sharpton. for you, michael, you have been one of the people pushing to see these trials televised. could georgia give us what we need in terms of seeing the evidence put on trial in front of the american people? >> georgia should lead the way. some of the most important civil rights struggles, as all of us know, took place in georgia. and i was talking about georgia in 1960, did you know that georgia went for john kennedy by a larger margin than any other state in the united states? 65%. and they weren't doing it because they were for civil rights. these were basically racist white democrats because african americans by and large could not vote. and they were saying to kennedy, we're electing you to keep segregating the country. and can i say one very quick note about the march on washington? >> sure. >> in the end, 1960, 60 years ago this weekend, and rev, i'm so glad you're doing what you're doing this weekend. kennedy was afraid to attend the march on washington. he was invited, it was across the street, but he was terrified it would seem too radical and it would hurt him politically, so he listened to dr. king's speech, i have a dream, through an open window upstairs at the white house. and underneath the platform is those speakers were speaking, kennedy and bobby kennedy, his brother, had a guy with a little record player. and on the record player was a record of mahalia jackson singing "i've got the whole world in my hands." and the reason for that was, if dr. king or someone else got too radical by their point of view, they were going to turn up the record player and blastema hail yeah over the speakers and drown him out. that's how different it was in 1963. the lesson is we don't have to quiet ourselves. >> we're out of time, but before we let you go, you know trump. do you think he's afraid? >> i think he's scared to death. you have four cases, you have career criminals that don't face four cases at the same time. he knows in his heart of hearts what he did and he's afraid it will be brought out in court. >> there you go, melissa, michael, al sharpton, thank you very much. you can join reverend sharpton for the march on washington, a continuation, tomorrow at the lincoln memorial. go to nationalactionnetwork.net for more information. and up next on "the reidout," trump's allies are finding some, let's say, creative ways to defend him after his latest arrest. but what they're not saying is even more revealing. 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>> i think he's terrified. i think fear is what is fueling this run for president. it's what he's doing to, you know, go back into the white house, is to try to protect himself, and he's constantly feeling out those possible opportunities to use this run for the presidency to inoculate himself against justice. what i think is the serious version of this, though, is not that somehow he's going to game the system during the course of running for president to keep these charges from sticking. what he's going to try to do is sow chaos and try to do it potentially in the form of violence. that would have sounded like a reckless prediction just a few years ago. we have seen it time and time again, this trail of terror that follows the ex-president everywhere he goes. we're talking about it in the last segment with the intimidation of georgia poll workers that led to the intimidation of prosecutors that led to the intimidation of the members of the jury who have since been doxed. you can predict with very reasonable confidence that in 2024, he's going to try to incite violence to muck up the potential prosecution. and you're hearing it time and time again with his supporters talking about civil war. i was on a twitter space last night with a number of maga people because i wanted to see what they were saying. they were talking about civil war, about violence. and they're warning that if we dare use the justice system to prosecute this criminal, that they will engage in acts of violence. that's what's really scary about all of this. >> the thing is, michael, that the challenge that trump is going to have is that what's empirically true is that the prosecution is making him less likely to get elected again, right? the polling is very clear. a new poll that's out from -- i think it's politico did a poll or at least they're running the poll. it says here, do you want the trial before the general election? yes. the majority of everyone. 89% of democrats, 63% of dependents, only a third of republicans. do you think trump is guilty? 51% say yeah, he's guilty. only 14% of republicans but 53% of independents. should he go to prison if he's convicted. yes, 50% totally say he should go to prison, but 51% of independents are included. and all the other empirical evidence, no matter how much tucker carlson sucks up to him and all that stuff, most people think yeah, he probably did it, and he should go to trial and prison if he did it, which tells me his chances of getting elected again are less and less and less as each of these trials goes forward. meaning his people are going to get madder and madder and madder. which means that we have a problem, even if the iteminal justice system does its job and works. your thoughts. >> we do have a problem. we have had a problem for a long time. we have had a problem which everyone failed to recognize in 2016. we have had a problem that everyone failed to recognize when donald trump got 8 million more votes than he did in 2016 than 2020, and we had a problem after the 2020 election, that he would begin to lay what would be the way to get his way. so the polling reflects americans having traveled through all that saying yeah, if he did it, he should go to jail and be punished. here's the thing, that polling is not reflecting how people are going to vote. and i hear all of the noise, but you have polls out there showing joe biden and donald trump are running closely together. i'm sorry, joe biden should be cleaning his clock if the american people really didn't want any more of this. and they weren't somehow intrigued by it. so i'm holding my judgment on where the american people are until i get a better sense and more clarity as to what they really think and feel about what's unfolding right now. because there's a reason why donald trump was given that motorcade and why he probably insisted on it, and why authorities in georgia, you know, allowed it to happen. and that's because it plays into the narrative of the former president. and now the victim. and i think that has more resonance that people really want to give credence to, and we start, we need to start doing that. >> miles, how do you think that changes or doesn't change because this is going to be a televised trial, and the chesebro trial, this trial date is being set. whether it's trump going on trial or one of his associates going on trial, the evidence is going to be about him. how do you think that changes the dynamics here? because the american people are going to be able to watch it on tv. >> i hate to be such a pessimist, but i have to agree with michael steele on this. i actually think in some ways, very perversely, this trial is going to fuel the narrative that donald trump has already started to see. he's going to use every moment of that trial to support rabid supporters somehow it's the weaponization of justice. and i wrote about this in the book that i just put out. he wants to turn the united states government into a weapon. and he's telling us about the targets that he wants to go after if he wins the presidency again. hell, he's even telling us what kind of ammunition he wants to use. he wants to use prosecutions against political rivals. he wants to use the powers, regulations, he wants to use the republican congress. and every single moment that he's being held accountable by the justice system is going to be him saying i should be doing this to them. and that's what's really, really scary about this, is he's completely flipped the script about what justice means, and he's said it himself, it's about retribution, not the rule of law. and he's replaced the rule of law with retribution, and chairman steele once told me something, a very good example and i'm going to steal it from him. he said look, and it's a very appropriate weekend to talk about this. we're celebrating the march on washington, recognizing that moment in american history, when black americans who were denied their rights peacefully protested against this. and what did michael steele tell me? what happened on january 6th, a fat white guy ozsad he lost and his supporters swarmed and ransacked the capitol. you didn't see that in the civil rights movement. it's breathtaking to me the amount of radicalization that's happened in this country on the far right and i'm worried it's not out of our political veins yet. >> absolutely. this is what law enforcement officials and extremism experts said, trump's taunts and broadsides are often not explicit. the statements could encourage some supporters to threaten those individuals with threatening or violent behbehav. the threats are happening now even if it's not a mass crowd of people like january 6th. it's individuals. >> and can i put a big exclamation point on what you just said, joy? because here's the thing. there are two things about donald trump everybody needs to know, and miles knows this because he's worked with him and i know it because i have worked with him. donald trump will always tell you what he thinks and what he wants to do. especially on that last part. why? because he doesn't think you can stop him. all right. he doesn't think he can be stopped. so he has no problem telling you, as miles just laid out, yeah, i'm about retribution, and this is how i'm going do it and this is who i'm targeting because you can't stop me. two, the thing to keep in mind about what's happening, what's not happening now that everyone seems to be like, well, i guess we're in a better space, because donald trump is calling for people to come out, and no one is showing up. they have learned. they have learned. they're not doing january 6th again, boo. come on, y'all. wake up. they're not. they're not going to put it all on facebook and have these open meetings and share their strategy. to miles' great point, this is going to hit us in lightning speed when we least expect it. >> yeah, and that's why we have to stay vigilant. that's why we love having you all on to talk about this. scaring is caring. thank you both. still ahead, republican extremism on reproductive rights, because they're doing that, too, will be a huge issue in the coming election. the biden campaign is doing everything they can to make sure voters know all about it. more next. how can you sleep on such a firm setting? 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>> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for woman? >> yes, some form. >> president biden and vice president harris are determined to restore roe v. wade and they will never allow a national abortion ban to become law. as long as they are in office, decisions about your body will be made by you, not by them. >> joining me now, susan del percio, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, and jay jordan, comedian and writer. susan, let's talk about your party. you have gotten all of those guys on the debate stage, sort of bragging about the fact they want a national abortion ban. you have south carolina's all-male supreme court under his eye doing a six-week abortion ban. you have glenn youngkin, trying to join the abortion ban caucus in virginia. west virginia judge ruled the state can ban access to abortion pills even though they're legal. i could go on, but the whole south essentially is now a, you know, womb slave state territory. there's nowhere you can have bodily autonomy in the whole south. how are republicans believing that they're not going to get wiped out on this issue next year? >> i don't know because they certainly are going to get wiped out. it will be probably the number one issue more so than even who biden is and who trump is. is that's the motivating factor to get people to the polls. we have seen it over and over. and it's going to be very interesting because that ad that you showed is running in seven states. one of them is arizona. which happens to have an abortion initiative on the ballot next year. the other one that is not running in this state, but you and i talk about florida an awful lot. i think it's worth them putting some money into florida on this ad. the second, ron desantis passed the six-month ban in florida. his popularity with independent women went to 39%. 69% disapprove of ron desantis after coming off a win. people need to show up. we can't see what happened in florida in 2022, and i think abortion is that issue. and the republicans deep down know it. i will tell you, as someone who did campaigns and did work with some conservative folks, they almost hid by the fact, well, it's the law of the land, but i'm against abortion except for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. and they felt that in moderate states they could get away with it, and they did. but now, no longer. >> you know, jay, it is a thing where republicans are just doing opposite day. most americans want gun reform. they're against that. two-thirds of americans say abortion should be legal. they're like, we're going to ban it. most people like books, they're banning. history, banning. it's a strange position for a party to take. >> i think it's a throughline they had for a very long time. first of all, ron desantis knows someone who survived multiple abortions and was found on the side of the road, i guess, so that's also part of this mythology they're spreading. i think the other part of this is it's a through line of them attacking mothers. they say there's a culture of fatherlessness, but they're not addressing the fathers who are leaving these women with these children. it's so interesting that this is the part they want to focus on. also, abortion has been settled. i feel like every time the american public wants to talk about it, we kind of have an answer. so that's why they have to pivot when they get to the national stage out of these primaries. actually, i'm a bit more to the left on this topic. >> it is a strange thing. and you know, you can go to tennessee, and the same thing is true on guns, susan. they literally removed women who had signs in a committee room where they allowed guns. you can bring a gun into the committee room to talk about gun reform, but you can't bring a sign. they had the police remove the women with the signs. there is a lawsuit, the aclu did sue and a judge did rule that no, no, the first amendment also exists, not just the second. but that's where we are, susan, is the republican party has said, we will not allowia to even speak in silence with a sign if we want to allow guns and your kids to be shot down in fourth grade. nothing you can do about it. >> right, and that was following a mass shooting in that state, and the republican governor really wanted to put something on the books because he himself was affected by it. trying to get some kind of gun safety there. but joy, the only thing i can see right now is that the republican party is doing everything when it comes to voting rights to stop people who won't vote for them to vote and putting in laws there, and they're going down such a narrow path. they can only fail. it may take another two years or four, but they're going to fail. >> yeah. jay, i'm giving you the last word, and you get vivek ramaswami, sorry. he said ayanna pressley is the modern kkk because i don't even know if i can understand why they're the modern kkk. because i guess they want to do things for black people? your thoughts. >> i have never met someone who has more tattletale energy than vivek ramaswami. i have never seen anyone who looks like they remind the teacher we were supposed to have a quiz more than him. he wants to get rid of the fathlessness. you know what's going to take you away from your kids? running for president and failing. he's sump a silly person. i have to say this on tv. he loves trump so much, but i would hate to see what would happen if he found out that trump disliked him on a republican debate stage. do you understand, do you understand the irony of this young brown man just simping for this old white 6'3" 215 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal. it's so interesting. >> that's a good word. >> so interesting he wants to be the puppet. >> we want to go with interesting. susan and jay, he said he has tattletale injaerj, and i love it. we'll be right back. . now i can be myself again. blue-emu supports healthy muscles and joints. shop our expanded family of products at major online retailers. when nature and science get together... pretty sweet things can happen. like our senokot laxative gummies. to relieve occasional constipation, senokot starts with the natural senna plant that science transforms into a yummy gummy! sweet! senokot laxative gummies. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd things changed for me. breztri gave me better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ask your doctor about breztri. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ this was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. it is obvious today that america has defaulted on this >> instead of honoring this sacred obligation, america has given the degrow people a bad check, i checked which has come back marked insufficient funds. >> that is the actual document luther king junior on the rampant inequality america in his famous marsh on washington washington speech. in the part that republicans cherry-pick every mlk day. one of his greatest legacies is his daughter, daughter bernice aching, who will be attending the sixth anniversary of the march on washington this weekend. she's also written the intro to an introductory edition if i have a dream by her father, the reverend martin luther king day junior. i am talked with dr. king with how she deals with right-wingers when they make the claim that her husband's legacy is trumpism and margaret conservatism. >> i'm 60. i've lived long enough to know that there will always be people who will misappropriate, mishandle, whitewash, whatever you say about my father in his words. what is held my growth is being a christian and knowing people do the same thing with the word of god. although i have moments when i first read it, i process it, but i know why i have a real responsibility to elevate the conversation. my job is to speak the truth and let the truth sit there. not just for them, because there are other people they are also reading. so for the ones who are on the periphery, those who may not be, as you say, the trumpers, i want to make sure they understand, no, that's not martin luther king jr. day. this here is martin luther king junior. oftentimes i may accompany it with something they can go read so that they have the actual facts. my mother used to always tell us, growing up, get the facts straight. people's opinion is one thing. but the facts have to be straight. >> yeah. and you are great defendant of your mom's legacy as well. we have to do a section on your mom as well at some point. dr. king in real life, he was an admirer of malcolm x, he and maker ever's were very much on the same page. and these were all men who were very aggressive in their desire to see equality. the march on washington was a demand, and a man of the kennedy administration, not a cheerleading session for the kennedy administration. what do you think that we get wrong in the way that we look at and commemorate the march? what should we do differently? what should we think about that march 60 years ago? >> i think we have to do is my father. he saw himself as a defender of freedom, justice, and equality, regardless of who is in the white house. friend or fall. if there were things at that time the black community did not have, he was going to speak up for that in challenge whatever administration it was. i think we have to remember, what you said, they had demands, we should always do demonstrations with the legislature. they attend as you well know, and some of those demands over the next couple of years actually were met, like comprehensive civil rights. blacks at that time had access to public accommodations. as you know, the injunctive released when the constitution, no rights were violated. the justice department been able to do that, if they would've been able to do that for george floyd, had they not set the stage for that kind of demand at the march on washington. we have to do the same thing today in protest, any march, any demonstration, we've got to be clear on our demands. succinct and clear. so it's not missed. it has to be a collective. on that demand, at the bottom it says support does not necessarily support the march. it's not necessarily an endorsement of every demand listed. so it says to me, at least that group that initially they weren't altogether, as you know, historically, and double acp, they didn't sign on, but when it came time for the march, everyone was on board, and for the most part, most of the demands, they agreed to. we've got to figure out how to get on the same page, how to build a coalition that's on the same page, agree at least on some three or four demands, and then follow it through. because march on washington wasn't just a mantra demonstration. it was part of a greater strategy. as you know, after than the children were bombed in the school. on 16th street church. but then you had the movement in st. augustine, florida, which was all a part of this. there are things going on constantly to make sure whatever these demands, are we want to see this through. >> yes. it's about having a plan, following through, and as you said, demonstrating is a part of it. truth is a part of it, as well. we will have to have you come back and talk about that as well. a lot of fighting about not wanting history to be told, particularly the history of your great father. >> thank you. >> thank you doctor bernice, always a pleasure. up next, who won the week? 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