we begin in the southwest, where people are frantically preparing for hurricane hilary. the latest update from the national hurricane center -- hilary has been downgraded to a category two storm. it is making its way north alongside mack mexico's baja coastline. heavy rain is expected to impact california in arizona starting sunday. the national weather service is calling the storm rare and dangerous. and here is why. parts of the california desert are forecasted to get three years worth of rain in just 48 hours. let's get an update from priscilla thompson in palm springs, california. priscilla, how are people where you are preparing right now? >> yeah, alicia menendez, folks here are frantically filling those sandbags, hoping to protect their homes and businesses as that rainfall is expected to move in here in the coming hours, really. and this operation has been going since about 6 am local time. that's 9 am eastern time. and it's expected to continue for about the next four hours. you can see there are folks of all ages out here trying to prepare, really taking this seriously and taking these precautions. and the mayor is actually also out here helping with this. and i spoke to her just a short while ago. and i was really her message to folks, that it was good to see that they are actually out here heating these precautions. we also went to the supermarkets earlier today, and we are seeing those shelves begin to empty, and people clearing out the water and bending those non perishable items, bracing for the possibility that they could lose electricity, that there may be flooded roads, and they may not be able to leave their homes for some time. and it's interesting. because we have spoken to some people here, and there are some folks who have lived in the northeast, have lived in places like florida, and understand what might be headed their way. but there are other folks who are saying, i am worried. they have lived in california all their lives. they have never seen anything like this. and so, they are trying to be as prepared as possible. and that is exactly what officials here have been saying all day, is that people we need to heed the warnings, make sure that they are prepared as they wait to see what exactly is going to happen here. alicia? him >> priscilla thompson, has always, thank you so much. now, for a collision course of donald trump's own making, as his sprawling legal troubles disrupt the 2024 presidential race. next week, trump must surrender at an atlanta jail. also next week, the first republican debate, which trump now plans to skip in favor of a possible interview with fired fox news host tucker carlson. here's what we know about the timing. three senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news trump would turn himself in no earlier than thursday. that is the day after the first debate. former new jersey governor chris christie wasted no time working to brand trump is a coward for snubbing the debate, and he's questioning why trump is still in the race. >> we -- the voters -- i want to voters to decide this. the only way the voters of our party and the voters of our country will -- accept results is if they believe that it is fair. and -- trump has made himself a candidate for president under the most ridiculous circumstances i've ever seen in my life. there is nothing more selfish than what he is doing. he has been charged with four different crimes. and yet, he still persists, insisting that he has to be the candidate for president. >> meanwhile, the biden harris campaign is expected to use the first debate to highlight the gop's attacks on reproductive freedom and threats of democracy in the form of election denialism. according to a new campaign memo, four shared with nbc news, the campaign expects the candidates to try to out-maga each other on the debate stage in milwaukee. we can't ignore the biggest threat to american democracy, donald trump's hold on the gop. despite facing 91 felony charges across four jurisdictions -- joining us now, msnbc contributor and former watergate prosecutor jill wine-banks she's, the co-host of the "#sistersinlaw" podcast and washington post opinion columnist jennifer rubin. -- how is this process in georgia going to be different from what we have seen in federal court? >> it's going to be very different, because they have said that they are going to do mugshots and fingerprints, and he will be turning himself in at the fulton county jail, not in a federal building, not in a clean, nice environment. it is what we hear from the press, a really dirty, dangerous, scary place. so, it is going to be a very different picture. and i think the picture of him there, i think his experience of being in a real jail -- i can tell you the sum of the watergate defendants -- jail -- out -- move them to a -- base without being in -- so that they could cooperate -- in georgia this weekend. >> it is a must win state for republicans if they want to take back the white house 2020. georgia voters, they rejected trumpism by flipping the state blue, and fast forward to 2022, the senate runoffs, senator warnock defeated herschel walker by nearly 100,000 votes. last night, historian jon meacham offered this warning to gop leaders. >> the only way to fix the republican party is to have it continue to lose. and that is really, really hard. but i genuinely believe that it will be the ballot that convinces republicans in the end that they have to do something about this flight from reason, and this flight toward a one-man our way or the highway ethos. >> i wonder if you agree with that, jennifer rubin, the idea that, really, they are going to have to be defeated at the ballot box to begin recalibrating and reconsidering what they have done here. >> i do. i think the denial is so great, the self delusion is so great, that even if he is indicted in all these places -- and even if he is convicted in some of these places -- republicans are going to insist that he is innocent, that this is all a plot, that he is a martyr, that he is being persecuted. and so he, in all likelihood, will it be the gop nominee, and once he is the nominee, there is very little that is going to dislodge him, even if he were to be convicted on the way there is nothing -- running from president from jail. so, ultimately, it's the american people who are going to have to render their verdict. and i think, in that clip, john is right. republicans are themselves incapable of making this pivot. but once they see that they have lost and they have lost badly, this would be a series of losses in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024. at that point, they may, out of self preservation, decide to rejig or their party, and to rethink the entire cult of personality. but until that happens, i see very little sign that they are going to pivot back to reality. >> jill, you have a new column for the detroit news, and you argue that each of trump's trial should be televised. and i wonder, as i listen to jennifer rubin talk about the way in which this has not broken through with republican leaders, and with republican voters, to the extent to which you believe that transparency might break through to them and, in a larger sense, help preserve democracy. >> i do think so. it is not guaranteed. because we have seen they have already lost several elections because of him. and yet, they keep sticking with him. so, it is not clear that they have gotten the message yet. but i do think that there is enough republicans who will watch the trial and will be mesmerized by it and we'll see that, like richard nixon, he is a crook. and they will change their vote. so, i think it is one of the only hopes we have. and i hope the case is not removed to federal court from georgia. because, we will at least have cameras in the georgia case. but i think it is possible that chief justice roberts and the judicial conference, or congress, could mandate having cameras in all of his trials. and i do think it is important to democracy is that we see it, and it increases our trust in the judicial institutions, in the justice department, in the special prosecutor. and so, it is very important. there are no good reasons against it. it does not lead to lawyers playing to the jury. it does not make the jurors afraid. because, like in the george floyd murder trial, when he was killed by derek chauvin, the jury was never shown. and that is what we need to do again. don't show the jury. show only the witnesses who have all been seen publicly already. so, there is no additional threat to them from being seen again. >> jennifer, that's one of the things we are going to be watching for this week. we are also going to be watching this republican debate, the biden harris campaign predicting the first gop debate and we will show how the candidates are trying to, quote, out-maga each other. i don't know that there is any disagreement on that point. we know that they are going to be expressing, in general, their fealty to donald trump, with one or two exceptions. they will try to out-mosh other, even on policy questions like america first. and so, i wonder, what it is then, what the surprise could be going into this debate? >> well, i think the important thing is that for those people who do take a different tack -- chris christie is the one who most candidly has come out to repudiate trump and who has said that he did lose the 2020 election. it's important for him to make the case, directly to republican voters, and not only to attack trump, but to put the other republicans on the spot and say, how can you possibly vote for these guys, pointing to his right and left, if they won't even admit that trump lost the election? how can you trust people who will not tell the truth to you. and i think that could be a powerful message. we will have to see if asa hutchinson, former governor of arkansas, makes it onto the debate stage. but he has delivered similar messages that a requirement of being president is the ability to do tell the truth, to defend democracy. so, i don't know that they are going to make any headway vis-à-vis trump. but perhaps it will shake some of the republicans once they see that there is a capable person, a capable republican, of making the case that these people are unfit to serve. i don't know that there is going to be a breakthrough. but, it frankly may depress republicans and they decide not to go to the polls in november of 2024. that is another problem for republicans. because there are those down-ticket republicans who will suffer as a result. >> they have shown absolutely no regard for the republicans who are down-ticket. jill, constitutional scholars michael luttig, and laurence tribe are making the argument that trump is ineligible to become president again because of the 14th amendment, because it states anyone who gives aid and comfort to an insurrection cannot hold public office. quote, the former presidents efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and the resulting attack on the capitol, place him squarely within the ambit of the disqualification clause. and he is therefore ineligible to serve as president ever again. the most pressing constitutional question facing our country at this moment, then, is whether we will be able to abide by this clear command of the 14th amendments disqualification clause. i wonder, jill, if you agree. >> how could you disagree with two eminent constitutional scholars like laurence tribe and judge luttig? i think that they have made a very persuasive case. they have laid it out very clearly, setting out why they think it is self executing. in the past, people have said, oh, you can't bar him unless he is convicted of a crime of insurrection. they make a very convincing case that, if you give aid to insurrectionists, which, clearly, anyone watching the news has seen, that that is enough to bar him, and that that is south executing. so, i hope it is not just because i like that conclusion. but they are very persuasive. i think they are two great scholars. and i have not heard any great scholars arguing against it. >> jill, jennifer, you are both staying with us. next, the timeline for accountability -- of aghast from trump's lawyers on starting his federal trial and d. c.. and later, a torrent of threats for the judge in that case and the fulton county grand jurors, and historian ruth ben-ghiat says it is right out of the -- playbook. but first, to richard lui, on the stories we are watching this hour at msnbc. richard lui? >> alicia, good evening, the death toll from the maui wildfire is now at 114. -- it is now the deadliest wildfire in modern u.s. history. president biden and the first lady are expected to visit maui monday. more than 200 wildfires are burning across canada this hour, forcing tens of thousands of people from their homes in the northwest territories, authorities there evacuated most residents from the city of yellowknife. in british columbia, facials or declared a state of emergency as far as threaten the city of kelowna. and ukraine officials say a russian missile strike on the city north of kyiv killed seven and injured more than 100 people. that strike hit just as people were getting out of church. more "american voices" right after this break. m & enamel relieves sensitivity, helps restore gum health, and rehardens enamel. i'm a big advocate of recommending things that i know work. want luxury hair repair that doesn't cost $50? pantene's pro-vitamin formula repairs hair. as well as the leading luxury bonding treatment. for softness and resilience, without the price tag. if you know... you know it's pantene. 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was. chesebro the fifth. -- fulton county georgia, related to trump charges to -- jill wine-banks and jennifer rubin are back with us. also joining us, nbc national security analyst clint watts. he's a former fbi special agent. jennifer, i wonder what it says, a lawyer with the ear of the former president was that close to the mob on january 6th. >> well, i think the entire episode, the entire coup, puts a number of lawyers in a very bad light. it shows that they have left their obligations as officers of the court and become criminals themselves, literally part of the mob in the case of kenneth chesebro. and i think, in drafting those memos and giving this advice, that they knew was not going to hold, would not be accepted in any court, encouraging the president, and then, essentially, being out there with the mob, they have made themselves into criminal defendants. and he is a defendant. he was not named in jack smith 's case, but he was directly in the georgia case. and these people are going to pay a very steep penalty. they are almost certainly going to lose their law licenses. many of them may go to jail. and just as in watergate, there are a number of bad apples who were lawyers, who knew better. so to hear. i think it is very important that we have accountability, not only for politicians, but for lawyers. because, without the lawyers enabling them, trump would not have gotten this far. >> clint, speaking of accountability, on thursday federal prosecutors recommended a 33-year prison sentence for the top two leaders of the proud boys. they were, of course, convicted of seditious conspiracy in the january 6th insurrection. these are the harshest harshest penalties requested so far the. prosecutors argued, quote, no other group of defendants had a bigger impact on the events of january 6th then these defendants, on the men in their command. they also asked the judge to -- what's known as a terrorism enhancement. and i wonder, as you watch what was requested, what is going down, or extremist groups, clint watts, watching these cases? and, if they are, could it then have an impact on what they choose to do moving forward? >> i think they are definitely observing this and taking heat from it. because, if you look through a lot of the -- and a lot of the cases that have come out, a lot of the defendants have -- told to go to the capitol -- this was -- did execute the plan -- or so it -- seems part of -- -- charges very much into account that this was not just some folks that got wrapped up in the excitement of a rally. this was actually the, plan was to get into the capitol. so, when you look at those charges, i think it definitely starts to affect the thinking of a lot of these organizations and how much they want to push up their line of violence. just watching the landscape across the board, we have seen it, the militia based violence, which we will see director christopher wray talk about during his testimony to congress. it's definitely change. it's been muted quite a bit. and i think a lot of people thought they all participated in these things because i think it's a just cause. well, now we find out the cause is not just and they are being held accountable for it. so, it really -- changed the calculus -- i think it will really play out in terms of what we might expect in terms of the trial when we hear -- talked about as well. >> speaking of those trials, jill, on thursday, you had trump's lawyers file a motion to delay the federal trial for election interference scheduled in january 2024. the date that they want -- okay, remember, january 2024 -- they want april 2026. a lot has been made about just how laughable that is. and i wonder, if you think that ask could actually backfire with the judge. >> i think it could. my new favorite word is risible. it is risible. if they asked for 2025, you have a legitimate negotiating position. but if you ask for that far out, well after the election, well after the events, it just does not make sense. and there is no legitimate basis. i mean all their arguments about, we have so much work to do -- it is true that they have to coordinate all of his trials because he committed, or is at least alleged -- he's entitled to the presumption of innocence -- but he is charged with crimes in multiple jurisdictions. and they are going to have to work out which trial can proceed. they can't all go at the same time. if he wants to campaign, he can absent himself. it is his right to be president. but it is also his right to waive that right. and so, if he wants to go out campaigning instead of being in court for his trials, fine. but he cannot ask for a trial in 2026. so, i think it will backfire, and that the judge will not take that as a serious request. >> jennifer, i want you to listen to some sound from capitol police officer harry dunn. he was at the capitol on january 6th. of course, he was on deadline white house just yesterday. here that is. >> if he has his way, it will be until 2026. lord forbid that happens. michael fanone uses this line often. i went to hell and back only for people who tell me that hell does not exist. so, all these different defenses that people are going to use and different defenses that people are going to use to -- its kind of lace like a gaslighting us, that what we went through did not even happen. >> jennifer, i would add to that gaslighting, the fact that you have this push for accountability for january 6th among law enforcement, among capitol officers. you have people in the fbi. and then you have the republican party denying that this all happened, and continuing, wanting to continue to sell themselves as the party of law and order. it could not be more transparent that that is in name and not in the league. >> that's right. from their threats to the fbi, which some people have acted upon in actual attempts to harm fbi agents, to their assaults on -- verbal assaults -- on the judges in the various cases, the threats now made against the grand jurors in georgia -- they have shown utter disregard for law and order. you can't be for law and order and before a lawless president who oversaw the kind of violence that you are now seeing from the screen. the two are incompatible with one another. and his arguments for delaying the case -- well, the government has had three years to have the case. first of all, it's only been two and a half years. secondly, it takes a long time for the government to investigate. it does not take that long for trump to lead what they have found. and frankly, trump has all the money in the world, we keep hearing. so, he can go out and high road bunch of lawyers to read through all of this. there is a right to a speedy trial, both for them, but for the american people as well. >> jill wine-banks, jennifer rubin, think you both so much for getting us started. clint, you are staying with us. next, the threats are not stopping -- after a fourth criminal indictment, 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say. >> california is threatened by what could be one of the most devastating storms that we have had hit california in more than a decade. make no mistake. this is a very, very dangerous and significant storm. >> we will continue to bring you updates throughout this evening. this week, the grand jurors in georgia who voted to indict trump are facing a barrage of threats. the addresses of the jurors were posted on social media platforms and far-right forums. state police are now investigating. also this week, a texas woman was arrested and charged with threatening to kill federal judge tanya chutkan in washington, the judge overseeing a criminal case against trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election. the texas woman left a racist message at the federal courthouse where she said, in part, you are in our sights. we want to kill you and, quote, if trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you. worth noting, trump has publicly attacked judge chutkan online, calling her biased and unfair. clint watts is back with us. also with us is ruth ben-ghiat, she is a professor of history and author of strongmen -- mussolini to the present. it is good to see you both. clint, first, talk about what the investigation into the threats on judge chutkan -- what role does the fbi play in addressing the dangers there? >> yeah, in the case of the fbi, their national jurisdiction and the fact that they can also piece together with these online threats with on the ground activity -- meaning they can quickly since those in a much broader and more narrow focus in some ways. and then they can go out and do those contact briefings. we have seen that in utah, whenever president biden was going after just a couple of weeks ago, when they had to actually go and visit the gentleman who then showed up with a weapon that they ended up, unfortunately, killing him -- but in the same point, you are seeing them again pick up on another one of these. you will see the fbi do a lot of these i imagine, over the next few weeks, and my hope is that this kind of violent rhetoric, if it is interdicted dive fbi, which is got much better at this, especially since the isis era about a decade ago -- hopefully that sends a signal out to these online communities that it is not okay to make threats of violence, and also -- some sort of damper on actual in-person sort of physical mobilizations. the ones that are worried about more or the state and local environments, particularly georgia, with all the names of the jurors already being put out there. that is a bad sign for the future. and i am sure the federal entities will have to really step up the pace to try to help local law enforcement there. >> to that point, ruth, what we are watching out of -- spreading around the phone times names the ages, the ages, the -- being called a target list. how does someone like donald trump plant the seeds for that kind of behavior? >> well, trump is a chaos agent. and he welcomes violence, particularly violence that benefits him. so, of course, he is going to be going after judges and anyone who can harm him. and what he is doing when he issues the threats like, if you go after me i'm coming after you, he is setting an example, something autocrats are very good at. he is giving others permission to take his words and do what they must in their minds. and indeed, this woman, who threatened the judge said -- she's a kind of a leader called follower. and she said, if anybody goes after trump, i am going to kill them. and it's a very dangerous moment. because he has groomed these people to be his devoted followers. and when the leader is in distress, they become very volatile. and we saw this on january 6th. that was a cult leader rescue operation. he summoned the faithful. he was in distress. and they did their violent thing. and so we have now lone actors and others who are taking the words seriously. >> clint, i want you to take a listen to what georgia election official gabriel sterling said back in 2020, calling out trump, calling out republicans for their silence after election officials faced death threats amid all of the election pushback. take a listen. >> this is elections. this is the backbone of democracy. and all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. death threats. physical threats. intimidation. it is too much. it is not right. they have lost the moral high ground to claim that it is. someone is going to get hurt. someone is going to get a shot. someone is going to get killed. and it is not right. >> clint, that was december 2020, one month before the january 6th attack on the capitol. talk us through why those threats -- those trying to hold trump accountable are still so relevant today, and how institutions like the fbi are working to prevent actual violence from happening. >> well, it's remarkable looking at the data that, just a month later, we saw the january 6th insurrection -- there was widespread violence on that day. fast forward now. instead of seeing the sort of group mobilization's like we do on january 6th, what we see is what we call stochastic terrorism -- we know that the target is, it could be jurors from georgia -- if leaked online in georgia. it could be a judge that is trying a case in washington d. c.. but we don't know who the attackers are, necessarily. and i always worry that, when we see these online threats, such as the one we were starting this segment off with, that under the surface, there is somebody that is taking a threat and actually executing it. thinking about mobilizing, moving to those targets. that is very difficult to defend against. imagine going to georgia, having to focus on 23 jurors and then going to d. c., trying to protect a legal process there. another one in florida. it can become very taxing and exhausting on law enforcement to coordinate all those threats and try to attack them. and just a lot of these to try to protect over a long time. remember, these trials are going to go i'm not just for months but probably four years you. also we'll have appeals, i would imagine, in one direction or another. this is a very, very long time. it is going to put some stress on all of the law enforcement units in these areas, these jurisdictions, and particularly on the fbi to try to catch all the little pieces that might be clues of a potential in person attack that might serve as against any one of these individuals. >> ruth i, don't have a lot of time left. but i do want to ask you, it's like me that the zones are circularity to what we are watching out of georgia, we had election workers like ruby freeman and her daughter shay moss named as -- for the threats they were faced -- 2020 -- and people just called to serve on the grand jury. a day did their civic duty. and they are facing the same type of threats. yes, this impacts institutions. it also impacts individuals, and in doing that, it undermines the entire nature of our civic order and our democracy. >> that is the endgame. that is one of the endgame's, is to destabilize society. these people -- and i'm including city lawmakers like representative matt gaetz who says we are only going to bring change to washington through force -- these are people who are continually inciting violence. and they want to have a destabilization of society. they want people to be threatened, or they would not be doing this. they are making a choice. and it is quite astonishing that, in a superpower which only has two major parties, one of those two parties, the sitting lawmakers, are inciting violence, practically, on a daily basis. >> clint watts, ruth ben-ghiat, thank you both so much for talking us through this. plus, we are going to come back after another court weighs in on the nation's most used abortion drug. it's now up to the supreme court to decide whether mifepristone should remain legal and available. and we continue to follow hurricane hilary as it makes its way towards 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forget, medication abortion accounts for the majority of terminated pregnancies, and 98% percent of those specifically use mifepristone. the good news is that until the supreme court stepped in, the pill will remain available without restrictions. to help us break it all down is michele goodwin, she is the o'neal professor of constitutional law and global health policy at georgetown university. she is also the author of "policing the womb: invisible women and the criminalization of motherhood", michele goodwin, remind us what it is at stake here. what could a supreme court ruling mean for abortion access across the country specifically when it comes to medication abortion? >> well, he set the record straight, which is to say that right now, that the circuits ruling has no effect, essentially, nationwide, because we are waiting to hear what is going to happen in court. but we are a year in after dobbs with a very conservative supreme court that has a majority and that already undermined roe v. wade and planned parenthood v. casey, wiping it away, and even though they said in dobbs -- will leave these matters to the state, voters can go and vote and determine what they want in terms of abortion, right? this is a case that has implications nationwide. it is not state-by-state. it means that if the supreme court issues a ruling saying that we must roll back mifepristone access to seven weeks or get rid of it all together, that is a nationwide, essentially, ban on abortion. so, these are very perilous times given this case. that i think, probably, there has been not enough attention paid to in terms of what the national implications can be. >> one of the judges on the court of appeals wanted to ban mifepristone outright. he was overruled by two other judges on the panel. is there still a possibility that mifepristone could be removed from the market entirely? >> well, see, what is dangerous about this case, and why there are pharmaceutical manufacturers that are very interested in what is happening here is that you could have any random group that is aggrieved by there being a particular drug in the marketplace. maybe they don't believe in covid. maybe they believe that there should not be vaccinations for covid or anything else, who could find a particular judge that agrees with them, that has similar proclivities in terms of thinking along the same lines. you know, a judge that could say, yeah, we believe that you have -- standing. we believe you are aggrieved, and we believe that your grievances have been caused by this drug being on the market. and that you may potentially have to serve people. well, if that is true, then we have any number of drugs that could be implicated and yanked from the market. and what is so important about this is that it is unprecedented. the food and drug administration, which has been approving drugs for nearly a century, and this is the first time that we have a ruling like this. >> i want to make sure i get your thoughts on this case. in texas, a state prison guard forced to stay at her post for hours, and she was experiencing labor pains at seven months pregnant. she says that delayed access to medical treatment, caused her baby to be stillborn. she is now suing the state. and what is particularly shocking here is that the state is pushing back by saying, a fetus has no rights. yet, texas, of course, has a near total abortion ban in place under the pretense that fetuses do in fact have rights. and i wonder what that tells you about the republican agenda in texas and beyond. >> there are grave inconsistencies within the this space. i mean, let's be clear. for all of the claims that there is care about fetuses, we see that there has not been medicaid expansion in many of these states that have banned abortion. we know they have had incredibly high rates of maternal mortality and morbidity. we know that they have cut back with regard to food stamp access, welfare, et cetera. so, there isn't a very sincere showing with regard to true care with regard to fetuses. that's for sure, or children after they are born, or people who can give birth. there is not a real showing for the care and humanity capacities of women and girls. and so, what you are pointing out is a hypocrisy. and i think americans have been seeing that, certainly, within the last two year, and for people who have been paying attention beforehand, where black and brown women were the canaries in the coal mine, we have -- knowing this is the -- >> hypocrisy. indeed michele goodwin, as always, thank you for taking the time to be with us. coming up -- how children reading a book together is giving all of us little bit of hope. library kids will save the world. stay with us. with us steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go! i'm a bear. i'm coming out of hibernation after the best nap of 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the dad looks at the book and those, i'm really sorry, by the, i don't know any spanish, but if you give me just eight a couple more minutes, i promise you will find another book together. -- the kid runs back over to the spanish section and as they do, another kid runs up and goes, i think i know spanish. can i help you read this book? both kids walk over to a little tiny couch, start reading the book, and the other kids go -- up to the dad and goes, i'm really sorry. my kid doesn't know a single word of spanish. they just really like people. i'm so sorry. the dead starts laughing, the grown-ups engage in conversation, both kids are over there reading, slash not really reading the spanish book. another kid, who has been watching the whole time, appears to be slightly older than the other two kids, goes over to them and says, hello, i know spanish. can we all read the book together? the two kids scoot over. the third kid sits down and then that kid, who know no spanish, starts reading the book to the other two little kids. after a few minutes, they finish their book, they all go their separate ways. the kid who knew spanish goes up to the grown-up and says, grandma, did you see me? 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