night. >> good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle. we begin this evening with the scope of the special counsel jack smith's investigation into donald trump and new signs that it is still growing. the latest revelation that investigators executed a search warrant of donald trump's twitter account and the company had to be held in contempt by a federal judge before handing over the material. here is one former prosecutor on the kind of evidence that they must have been looking for. >> the twitter files that the justice department wants to retrieve clearly relate to that time period, right around the election. all those materials could be relevant. it's fairly typical for prosecutors to obtain social media from the platforms like twitter, like facebook and others. i think the only reason this is getting so much attention is that they resisted in this case, and it had to go to the appeals court to get timely compliance. but clearly the evidence here that is important to jack smith in the investigators. so i'm sure we'll see pieces of that during the trial. >> that's right. twitter, elon musk, resisted, and the company was fined 350,000 bucks for delaying the execution of that search warrant. we're also still learning more on the previously secret memo laying out a plan and a roadmap for the fake electors scheme that was to overturn the 2020 election. >> there's a lot in this memo, and i think with the memo really does here is contextualize all the events we have been getting, from the january six subcommittee, and from this indictment. it makes clear that this was an effort, an effort that they knew was going to basically defraud the american public as to how the election was conducted and ultimately to delay the counting of the vote, prompting this to go to the united states supreme court, thereby compromising any victory that joe biden might claim. >> meanwhile, all eyes are on the court schedule and the classified documents case in florida. what wall nauta and queloz -- the despite the fact that oliveira has said he cannot find a defense attorney, i claimed that a whole lot of florida lawyers see is just another delay tactic. while trump's month scheduled to appear, his lawyers are still filing motions, most recently they ask that the government reestablish a sensitive compartmented informations facility. you know what that. is ask. if they want to skip at mar-a-lago so trump can view sensitive discovery materials in his arm. let me just make this clear for you. in a criminal case accusing the former president of illegally keeping classified documents at his palm beach club, he now wants special permission to view those classified documents at the alleged scene of the crime, and one more time, trump and his allies keep arguing that there are two justice systems in this country. by asking for the special treatment, he is asking for special treatment. he is saying that there are two systems, and he wants to be a part of the goodwin. finally, as we expect to get a charging decision in georgia next week, the atlanta journal-constitution says indictments could focus on efforts to target some of the regular people that are at the heart of this case. >> we've seen people, including ruby freeman and shaye moss also testified about exactly as they did not have the january six committee about the incredible effect, the damaging effect all of this had on them in their personal lives, their personal safety, receiving multiple death threats, and they were far from the only ones. >> okey dokey. let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. we definitely david need help tonight. let's bring former u.s. attorney joyce vance, new york times justice reporter glenn thrush, and veteran journalist and political white house editor sam stein. joyce, can we start with the search warrant of trump's twitter account? how would that be useful in a criminal trial? >> in order to get a search warrant you have to convince a judge that you have probable cause to believe that you will recover fruits or evidence of a crime in the place to be searched. that is very interesting, because much of what goes on in a twitter account is public. we all read trump's tweets. it seems likely that prosecutors wanted something behind the scenes, perhaps dms that the former president sent or received, perhaps they wanted a review of his search terms. but we can be certain that he had a very they had a very high-level evidence of the presented to the federal job judge to obtain this unusual. it was clear this went off beyond -- because the judge issued a nondisclosure order which requires a much higher standard. >> all right, glenn, it seems like elon musk wanted to help his old friend donald trump. twitter complained that the nondisclosure order that was included with the warrant violated the first amendment. do you think that's true? where they really acting in good faith here? >> i have no way of knowing that. but i do know that the first amendment argument is going to be the core of trump's defense in the january six case. as joyce said, it's really extraordinary. and one of the defining characteristics of trump, in terms of the way that he communicated apart from late night phone calls, was that he had an aversion to using the texts on his phone because he thought that those could be retrieved. so if the presumption, and we don't know if it's true, that he was using dms instead of texts, that would be pretty ironic because i think his intention, typically are not using texts, was to evade this kind of scrutiny. >> sam, donald trump's team fine found out about this in june, but he's only come pet complaining about this today, and he's doing it on social media, calling it a major hit on his civil rights. if he really felt that way, what's he been doing for the last two months? >> well, he's been complaining about other things. each chapter of this saga he goes to his new social media outlet, truth social, to fire off a complaint. i'm with glenn on this, i would find it extraordinary and out of character if trump was communicating to dms. first of all, he wasn't known for writing his tweets per se, but dictating them to aids within write them from his account. so perhaps there's something we don't know about in terms of the files information that the government wanted from twitter. but i do think the extraordinary thing is that twitter didn't fight it. the nondisclosure agreement attached to it. but the fact that trump didn't bark about it until now, although i would say trump's been barking about a bunch of stuff related to his legal problems. >> twitter didn't comply, a reminder they had to pay 350 grand for that. joyce, help us understand this memo from kenneth chesebro. walk us through what it means. and do you see this thing being a key piece of evidence? >> yes. this is definitely incredibly important. chesebro is, of course, widely believed to be coconspirator number five, one of the unindicted coconspirators in the trump indictment connected to january 6th. and here is what happens. chesebro, who is a harvard educated lawyer, someone who understands election law and has worked on these issued, issues comes up with this squirrelly theory that becomes this notion that you can use fake slates of electors to circumvent the will of the american people. and when he writes about it in 2020, he acknowledges that it's really pushing the envelope, and that the supreme court won't go for it. but he suggested we be put into in place because it can accomplish two goals. it can perpetuate this myth of fraud that trump ultimately pushes. it can also buy a little extra time for some litigation to proceed, and perhaps to add a few numbers to the trumps side of the occasion in the election. so in other words, this is what i would call as a prosecutor allay out of the fraud. the layout of the conspiracy the people ultimately joined on to and try to perpetrate on the american people. this is a seminal document in this conspiracy, and it really highlights chesebro's role, and it's worth, stephanie, making sure our viewers understand, know this is someone who took a job at the justice department after trump lost the election. now look, this is when political folks are leaving doj and other government agencies, not going their fresh. and why might he have gone there? jeffrey clark, the man who wanted to be attorney general, is an environmental lawyer. he's not an election law lawyer. and yet he somehow came up with these letters, with these plans that would be sent to states, pushing certain sorts of notions about electoral fraud and weaponizing doj as part of trump's scheme. it really looks like chesebro is very likely the language between john eastman in jeffrey clark and that that explains his sudden appearance at doj after the election was lost and the critically important use that this memo was put to. >> again, we are not talking about some fly-by-night attorneys. we are talking about harvard educated, well respected scholars. and this is what where they are up to. sam, let's talk about this other part of the investigation. i'm megan inre sth looking intos pack. what are you hearing about that? >> well, look, part of this case rests on the idea that trump's operations were essentially deceiving voters, knowingly raising money for something that they knew was either a moon shot or plain old unlikely to happen legal challenge to the election. that's fraudulent. you're taking money from unsuspecting people by promising them something in the knowingly doing something else with it. this ties back to the chesebro memo which is, look, fundamentally what he was outlining was not a legitimate philosophical or legal avenue for challenging the election. he was trying to create a predicate to create crayons chaos. in that chaos they were hoping that somehow congress would find a way, or the supreme court would enact a rule that trump could stay in office. if you're outlining those memos, if you're raising money from people in order to effectuate that, that's quite another. the fundraising has always been central to the investigation. if you're knowingly trying to raise money for something faulty, it could form the basis of profound charges. >> glenn, let's go to florida. are we supposed to believe the trumps codefendant, carlos to leveller all the, vera couldn't find advance attorney? >> very hard to find. good representation in florida. i mean anybody who's been around the courthouse there knows you literally i've retain several attorneys when i was down there covering -- >> [laughter] >> again, de oliveira might be having a problem retaining attorneys and knowing about the political organization, for attorney stan woodward, walt now to his attorneys being paid through that facts are the now under the same umbrella and the implication is this is part of the same tactic. we'll see how much judge cannon or the magistrates down there are willing to tolerate, but this doesn't seem like something that is sustainable. he could, presumably, be assigned an excellent public defender, which move quite an interesting decision scenario. but i don't think it's gonna get there. >> joy, style trump's been complaining about a two tiered justice system, and now he's got this request for a scif to be built, to be put together mar-a-lago, which would put his justice system, him on top of the throne. or is the judge actually gonna entertain this? >> well, it is aileen cannon's steps or don't want to lay any bets on that. but no, no judge would entertain this seriously. they do not have the authority to tell the intelligence community where and how to build a skiff. scifs don't maintain their own integrity. probably a lot of folks have not seen the inside of one. they require a number of steps to build a number of layers of authorization insecurity inspection. there's a lot that goes into it. they're extraordinarily expensive by the square foot to build, and you will not be stunned to learn that it takes a while. it's typically not something that happens overnight. this is just another delay tactic by trump. he knows that the motion isn't meritorious. perhaps the judge will entertain it for some period of time. if she were even to granted, the government would have to go to the 11th circuit, which will quickly smack it down. but nonetheless at every stage we are seeing trump play out his delay strategy. this is not a serious request. former presidents do not get their own scifs after the current president has denied them the clearance to continue to receive the daily briefing. trump is a security risk, plain and simple. >> all right, before i let you three go, i want to make a quick pit stop to georgia. sam, we keep hearing the trump is facing possible racketeering charges there. haven't we seen this approach throughout his entire career? the charges around his family's charity, trump university, even the coconspirators named in jack smith's case. are we not seeing a clear, this is clearly a pattern of behavior from this guy? >> correct. yes. there is a well-established pattern. it predates his time as president. looks like it will go after his time as president. georgia and presents unique challenges for obvious reasons, chief among them that the state prosecution, if trump were to find his way back into the white house, he could probably dismiss some of the federal charges against him. that will not be the case with georgia. that's why this is a very compelling case. >> it certainly is. aren't they all. joyce vance, glenn thrush, sam stein, thank you all for starting us off tonight. i wish we had another two hours, because we're so much more we need to cover. but when we come back, an alleged threat against president biden and so the fatal shooting involving the fbi. former fbi agent clint watts helps us break down what happened. and later, gmc eo mary barra shares her economic outlook for america in a one-on-one you won't want to miss. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a wednesday night. ay on a wednesday night. rsv can be a dangerous virus... 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>> stephanie, this is so on track with what we talked about last week. you had asked about, should we worry about mobilization surround cases. and really, we want to worry about is you know what the targets are going to be because they have been spoken about so aggressively in terms of social media and news conferences. by the former president. you know what the targets are going to be, you just do not know who the assailants will be. i think that is where social media give you a lot of clues. you have to follow up on. i have to say, the fbi did remarkable work for them to even detect these sorts of things because there are thousands, if not tens of thousands of threats all the time. seems like they may have gotten a tip from a social media company that really put them on to this in the beginning. so it is a real good demonstration of private, public partnerships that we did not see. if you remember 10:12 years ago in the icu or. i think the key point is, every time leaders speak violent words you are going to see more violence overtime more frequently. people are targeted and demonized. >> we have to just get used to it. even in the last week, all of the heated rhetoric only getting hotter. directed towards officials at the special counsel office. >> yeah, i am really worried stephanie. because the other thing we tended to see is these come and really there's a sense of contagion. you and i might be on here one night. talking about one threat in this case the fbi. eliminating what seems to be a serious threat. but what is to say that does not inspire one or two other people at random around the country to undertake arms or undertake violence to try to target a public official. somebody in the judicial branch. or somebody in the fbi. just based on this incident. so i think it is important when we have elected leaders. and institutional leaders that they speak in rational terms that are not inciting violence. they're not encouraging people to mobilize. so it will really need to be watched in the coming weeks and i always get worried when we have one of these incidents where we see 1 to 3 maybe four incidences similar that could spring up just based on the motivation from what we've seen in terms of media cycle. >> political violence at this point is nearing a 50 year high. is it happening across the political spectrum. >> yes stephanie. what's interesting tonight is we maybe have here in ecuador there was a targeted assassination today as well. we are just seeing a spike in the sort of intimidation all the time. and i think that people worry about what they say in the online space. we'll do them harm. if you remember the beginning of the internet and the dawn of social media, the whole idea was that people could go out, speak their minds on social media. feel free that they would not be targeted or tarnished in a way through threats of violence and i think that we are going to see more of this over the next year. and i always like to note to everyone when we talk about these threats of violence at election years are when the boil really hits in terms of the water. that is when everybody, the six get high everybody gets really excited about an election when they do not get the outcome they want. if you have a candidate or elected leader talking about inflicting violence or that the violence should be there than that is still casting terrorism. mediated terrorism where the target is known. well you just have to keep looking for the assailants and if the capacity is too much, think back to january 6th. the fbi can do a lot if it mobilizes to that sort of a level. it is very difficult to contain or disrupt. >> all while misinformation and disinformation is being shouted from rooftops and shot out of cannons. it is a stressed time. clint, it is great to have you here, you always make us feel smarter and more secure. >> thank you stephanie. when we come, back tomorrow gop presidential hopefuls are now facing one of their biggest tests yet. we will have more on what and who they are up against, right after the break. and later, i go one-on-one with general motors ceo. we talk about how far we've come since the pandemic. and what she thinks about president biden's efforts to boost the economy when the 11th hour continues. ontinues (ambience of room, birds, scrolling content on phone) you tried. limiting when it was okay. no tech behind closed doors. but social media's algorithms of addiction always won out. it's not your fault. alone you can't stop it. together, we will. we have a plan. join us. 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>> boy. the slightest of drop offs. we are cutting thin steph. i couldn't be on symone's shows last week and i was in iowa following these guys around. and i've got to tell you, the question is if not trump, who? his number is weakening a little bit. but a strong second person is not emerging. the rhonda santa's event i want to intimates very sad. reminiscent of some of the kind of a death rattle campaign events. unfortunately i also have a campaign sign up a few times. javon jon huntsman and others. so when you see vaughn rock-bottom a swami. he's a 38-year-old hindu man with no past political experience. it's hard to see him overtaking donald trump. tim scott. a little bit of buzz about tim scott but he is very establishment, the maga folks i saw, they don't seem to me like they will move of donald trump to get it in scott. that's the issue. i think there are some people looking around and iowa. little beaker in other states, because of the demographics of the state. but you cannot beat somebody. >> simone, we know trump needs no introduction in iowa. they voted for him in 20, 16 and they voted for him in 2020. but his rivals there, how can they break in? how do they make a good, lasting impression. they are not known names. >> well that is why these events, that tim skipped my show to go to, that is why these events are so important. a lot of times you will see candidates host town halls. they will host meet and greets. one of my favorite things to do with a candidate's have them pop up at a diner or a local eatery. spend some time there. being led around with a prominent community person right. that folks like in the community. and that is the way that these individuals are going to get some buzz. and this is why the debate stage is important. the first debate is a little over a week away. if you will stuff. for the republicans. and a number of folks have qualified. ron desantis obviously, governor, former christie. as qualify. you've got a number of folks, pence was news when he qualified. donald trump obviously has qualified. the question is will donald trump stand on the debate stage? so the debate stage is going to be very important these candidates to who differentiate themselves. break out moment there. can boost fundraising. also attention. >> okay, but tim so common sense, even with what from someone just laid out. common, sensational thought would tell you that this is why all of the gop hopefuls are focused on iowa. but one isn't. ron desantis whom you just mentioned with a sad event last week. he is now picking a fight with a second elected prosecutor in florida. accusing her of being soft on violent criminals. her office says it's totally not true. why is he doing this now? how is this going to play internationally. >> i want to separate the kind of merits of this from the political strategy. because i think on the merits, this is again kind of soft autocratic big government maga conservatism if you will. not really conservatism, but like this big government autocratic strain of maga that desantis is acting out. but on the merits, i don't think he's doing it? maybe he wants to get back to where was he, when was he doing well versus trump. i was back last winter. he looked like he was politically strong. he was attacking the media. winning in florida. attacking the media, attacking the perceived enemies. and i think if you want to rebuild himself up back at the expense of other people. how does he do it? migrants from the border to martha's vineyard. republican voters like that. obviously was grossed in detestable but it was working for him politically. i think he sees here, kind to concentrate or's? this one is a woman of color. can pick on somebody that can make him into a bad guy and seem tough again. and then use that to boomerang myself back to having some strength on the national stage. i don't know if that's going to work. i kind of doubt it will but i think that is the strategy there. look, ron desantis isn't going to get back in this race but to understand someone talked. about her candidates not good at that. from time, you run desantis and these retail stops in iowa. that is not his wheelhouse. >> now he hates, that he looks very miserable. >> okay, well you know what is definitely not or doesn't seem to be a winning issue for the gop. abortion. republicans learned again last night the hard way. and the ohio special elections simone, one democrat told nbc news look at what happened in iowa -- excuse me in ohio. and this is the roadmap for democrats winning in 2024. do you agree that? >> maybe. i think there is, if you look back at the midterm elections in 2022. everywhere abortion was on the ballot it did well. voters, people overwhelmingly went to the polls and said we believe abortion is a right. we want to qualify that in various ways shapes and forms in the state constitution. that does not necessarily equal that those voters will also go and vote for the democratic candidate on the ticket. i think it bodes better for the democratic candidate. if that is something they are talking about on the campaign trail. in a way that is accessible for most folks. and when i say accessible, you've heard a lot about freedom. right, again i go back to that new york the bellwether. and he talked about reproductive rights, talking about freedom. and the freedom for folks to make their own decisions. and you've seen democrats across the country, including the president and vice presidents harris who has been extremely strong us issue. echoing that same sentiment. and i think if they do that, there is a chance that the folks that are going to the ballot box to vote to codify abortion rights will also check additional names on the ticket. on that ballot that are democrats. >> symone sanders-townsend, tim miller, thank you both for sharing your insights. it is always great to see you both. >> for you at home, do not move a muscle. when we come back, my one-on-one conversation with gm ceo mary barra. one of the most influential voices in business. i get her take on where she thinks the economy is headed. the future of artificial intelligence and with the white house needs to do next. all when the 11th hour continues. continues. tric shocks or sharp, stabbing pains. ♪♪ this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. a pain so intense, you could miss out on family time. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older, ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis takes you off course. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief... lasting steroid-free remission... ...and the chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check, check, and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least 1 heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc in check and keep it there with rinvoq. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq and learn how abbvie can help you save. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq but blendjet■s back to school sale is in full swing! blendjet gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on the go so you can whip up a mouthwatering beverage wherever you are. enjoy 15 plus blends before rapidly recharging via usb-c. cleanup is a breeze! just blend water with a drop of soap. stand out even when you're accidentally twinning with our kaleidoscope of colors. don■t be tardy for this sale! head to blendjet.com and order yours now. oh stuffed up again? 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>> i think it's part of the whole ecosystem. so if there is still demand for new vehicles, and you can't get when you go to the used car market. and we are starting to see those prices moderate a little bit more than the new vehicles but i think it's part of the whole ecosystem. if you need a vehicle and you can't get a brand-new, and you are going to go to the used car market. >> one of the big problems during covid was the supply chain. the fact that we do not manufacture chips here. really held things up for all sorts of industries but especially yours. since the chips act was enacted exactly a year ago, how has that changed or industry? has it helped at all? >> i think it's too soon to see the results. but i think it is vitally important because one of the things we had learned is that we need more supply chain resiliency. and so the ability of the chips act to bring ships here i think will help in the latter part of the decade. i know that we have changed our whole strategy on semiconductors to standardize on three families of semiconductors. and we are working with many of the companies who will be recipients of the chips act to get those chips built in this country. >> we were coming from a very dark economic place during the covid times. now there have been a lot of policy changes. the president calls it bidenomics. things like the infrastructure law. how do you see that impacting your world? better, newer roads are certainly a good thing for all of us. >> absolutely, but i think one of the most important things, if you look at ev adoption in the bipartisan infrastructure act is the provision for charging. and if you look at, i think at least at general motors we now have new vehicles coming out almost every quarter. they have the right range but as people get over 300 miles of range, the big limits the performance it was the segment they want. they think the cars beautiful. they then want to know that there is a robust charging infrastructure. so as a part of the infrastructure, the bipartisan infrastructure bill. there are provisions to do charging. i think that is really going to help in some of the areas that the start-ups or new companies will not go into. there are a lot of people looking at charging that because that's going to have utilization that will allow payback. so i think that is gonna be important for ev adoption as we move forward. >> when you think about a.i., how is that going to impact? because it has got to be big. >> one of the most significant impacts of artificial intelligence is autonomous driving. when you look at cruise that general motors bought in 2016 when there was 40 people. we now have over 3000 people there. a large majority of the people that are a part of crews are experts from an a.i. machine learning and that technology is what is giving us autonomous driving. weather literally the car is driving itself. >> when you think of electric vehicles, when we think about them what do you see as the future? >> well we clearly see an all electric future. we are the only full line manufacturer to commit that our light duty vehicles in the united states will be all ev by 2035. and we are putting the technology plans in place. we just revealed that the new cadillac escalate iq today. part of the journey i'm really excited about. for general motors, we see that is a growth opportunity. because as we are seeing it happen with orders for instance on the cadillac lyric, almost 50% of the consumers who have an order for the vehicle are taking delivery, are new to general motors. so not only just knew to cadillac, there are new to general motors. so we think that with the right electric vehicles we can grow share and continue to earn customers. >> many people out there, when they think electric vehicles they immediately think tesla. how frustrating is that for you given your commitment to the space? >> i think you have to respect the fact that tesla really drove much more awareness of evs. we are proud of the chevrolet bolt ev that frankly is in more demand today than it was when we first launched it. we are moving across all of the segments to move their. but you know i think you have to give credit where credit is due. and i think -- >> talking with the nuts and bolts are running our business. today, as a ceo how hard is it to do that? you are also on the board of disney, disney has been embroiled in an unplanned political, social, cultural battle. how is a business leader to navigate all of that right now, given all of the stakeholders? >> i think always as you make businesses scissions, you need to look at all of your stakeholders but at general motors, disney as well under bob iger's leadership, guided by the values of the company. doing what they believe is right. i think as we move forward, if we can look at and say we are doing things because it's consistent with our values and it is what is part of our business. i do not think companies need to be talking about everything going on in the world. but when it impacts your, business you want to be doing the right thing. guided by your values. i will tell you that for the last few years, when we communicate to our employees and we said that this is a decision we've made. why would reinforce our values. you know we have strong support. >> if there was one policy, one change that the president or treasury secretary could implement that would help your company or industry, what would it be? >> i think, and we have come a long way with different programs as it relates to climate change, but i think having a national energy policy. because if you think about where we are moving, and it's good for whatever your opinion is, it's going to be good for the company if we have a national energy policy and we know where we are headed. that's just one. i'm sure you can ask questions and others would come up with better ideas. off the top of my, had i think that would be something that would move the country forward. >> one other place i want to ask you about is china. obviously tensions are high. between the u.s. and china. it is a huge place of business for you. how do you see things going forward? >> well we have said to both governments that we feel if the united states and china can find a way to work together in the areas that are appropriate to work together, it's going to strengthen both economies. and we firmly believe that. so we advocate for a level playing field in the technology or industries that are going to compete. and then i think it is the best company winds. >> is it harder for you today, you are always dealing with governments. to deal with our government. a few years ago we had a republican president. now we have a democratic president. things change every four years but now, is it harder than it had been in the past? you are well-known in this country, you have stood up to donald trump. you pulled out of europe. you had to make difficult decisions in dealing with government. >> in our business especially, because developing a new vehicle. program building a plan, setting a technology strategy where you are investing billions of dollars. what we need is stability and policy. when i think about some of the different policies that are really going to guide multiple industries, to make sure we have a roadmap of where we are going. that does not change every four years. i think it is very important. because i think that is part of the economy. it is better for job creation. and it's going to be better from a competitive perspective. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> my thanks to mary barra, gm 's ceo for joining us. when we come back, what a historic presidential resignation can tell us about our democracy's future. when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues to wat game today? 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