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afraid. >> the name, the money, defamed, the drama. >> there is no life that does not have a price. >> in the heart of milan italy is one of the most prestigious shopping streets in the world. to step through the heavy glass doors means crossing the border from the ordinary, and the mundane, into luxury, privilege, and glamour. >> really, it is the world that so many people aspired to live in. >> once upon a time, just a few blocks from this fairytale world of gold fringed dresses and thousand dollar handbags, haute couture gave live to hatred. beauty became betrayal. >> the story makes a greek tragedy look like a children story. >> it happened, one morning, in march, in 1995 when a man, rich beyond measure, a man in love, strolled into his office, and greeted his dorman with a smile. then, his worst fears were realized, as he was assassinated, in a hail of bullets. >> he knew that they were plotting against him, to put him out. >> the murder that occurred on the carpeted steps of this luxury building was so brazen, so infamous, then another red carpeted world took notice. >> this is more than dynasty, it is more than dallas. i'm just so surprised at his taken more than two decades to arrive on a movie screen. >> lady gaga, adam driver, i'll pacino, starring in the movie house of gucci, a murderous saga, taking place behind the catwalks at luxury stores, but perhaps, the most famous fashion brand of the mom. a saga that, at its heart, as a cunning, and vindictive villain who, some say, had no heart at all. what was noteworthy about the killing is not how it happened, but who it happened to. the victim was 46-year-old maurizio gucci. the former ceo of the sprawling gucci empire. a celebrity, and third generation of scion of one of fashions most notable families. >> when the news came out that maurizio was shot, in broad daylight, in downtown milan, it was absolutely shocking. >> sara is an editor at bloomberg, and the author of house of gucci. the book the movie is based on. >> this is not the type of thing that happened, ever, in milan. it just didn't happen. it was a prosperous business, and financial center. the thing that made it more sinister was it was not clear who would have done such a thing. maurizio was such a charming, charismatic, nice man. there was no sense that he had enemies. >> maurizio that morning, on march 27th, as he did on every morning, was just walking to his office. >> he is an nbc news correspondent, based in italy. he was born and raised in milan, living in the city when gucci was murdered. he says that maurizio began that fateful day, just like any other. with a polite hello to his norman >> they said hello, hello, they greeted each other, and just as maurizio was walking up the stairs, a man came in, and shot him, in cold blood, twice in the back. maurizio fell on the stairs, turned, was shot again, and then he finished him off with a shot in the head. >> what about the door man? we'll see there? >> the door man hit behind the door. he saw it all, but was trying to hide. as the killer was coming out he saw him, at the last minute, and shot him to. he didn't want to leave witnesses. >> sounds like a professional hit job. >> more like an execution. >> the murder was shocking, because even to those unfamiliar with the world of high fashion, gucci was a household name. it was the brand that made the phrase, made in italy, famous, around the world. it's fancy handbags, and loafers, a sign of style, and prestige. >> news spread like wildfire. everybody here, within minutes, news that mauricio had been shot. this place was packed, and people came to see what had happened. >> it was a crime scene? >> still, there was bullet markers on the floor, bullet markers on the staircase. here, there was cameramen, there, you had photographers. then, the entire world would see, eventually, the body of mauricio gucci, coming out, being paraded, essentially, in a way she, on a gurney >> the investigation into maurizio gucci's murder, and their world of luxury, and glamour, into the spotlight for all of the wrong reasons. exposing how gucci's rise to fashion, lori, took a steep, and sudden fall with jealousy. double crossing, and, ultimately, violence. >> coming up -- >> he was somebody special. somebody i never thought i would have the honor to have known. >> a bold killer, in broad daylight. who could it be? >> it was difficult to understand. it was difficult to justify. >> you had no initial suspicions as to who is behind it? >> no. it was so farfetched, you don't even ask yourself, who would do it? >> when dateline continues. marco's is the real deal. real fresh dough, real signature sauce, three real cheeses, and real high-quality toppings. now get another real deal, 30% off all menu-price pizzas. marco's. pizza lovers get it. ♪♪ and we're done. hm, what about these? ♪ looks right. 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they said, sherry, that is mauricio gucci. >> sherry knew maurizio as reputation by a powerful, and wealthy man. once i got on the boat, she found him to be unassuming, and humble. >> he didn't have champagne --, and water, and i was in heaven. i really enjoyed being with him. he was just so playful. >> i would always remember him with a big smile. he was always positive. >> he had one spin his business partner, and advisor, couldn't believe the news. >> it was difficult to understand, it was difficult to justify. >> you had no suspicions as to who is behind it? >> i never asked myself, who could it be? he was so farfetched, and you don't even ask yourself, who would do it? >> the mantra task of figuring that out, was carlo. an experienced prosecutor who, nonetheless, had never investigated a high-profile murder. as soon as he had arrived at the scene, he learned, even though the hitman shot the buildings or man, miraculously, the door man survived. the gunman had only shot him in the arm, leaving a witness alive. >> translator: the dorman tried to give us a sketch of what he looked like, but he only saw him for a few seconds. he was terrified, trying to protect himself. the reporter could not focus on the appearance. >> but, he did have information about the gun. >> the door man noticed the length of the gun was unusual. the door man heard the shots, single shots is silencer. the shot so muted. >> despite this telltale detail, the prosecutor decided, this was not a professional hit. >> no, exactly, a professional killer would have killed the norm and, because of the proximity. the killer would have shot him in the middle of the head. he wouldn't have missed. >> so, who was the gunman? why had he killed maurizio gucci? investigators knew when it came to murder, the motive was usually love, or money. >> the first thing we thought was to follow two separate leads. family, and business. >> but, the prosecutor realized, quickly, when your name was gucci, family and business was often the same. >> the gucci name, now, is a brand. but it was born just a very simple name of my great grandfather, guccio. they opened a little shop in florence in 1923. >> patrizia gucci's maurizio niece, and the author of a memoir about her famous family. she played, as a child, on the floor of the gucci factory. inhaling the smell of leather, as artisans, expertly, crafted it into the world's hottest accessories. >> a lot of love, and passion. especially for their job. they put all passion, all creativity, all energy, and their life. >> what started as a small factory, began to grow, first throughout italy, then europe. before long, gucci conquered america, too. beguiling the rich, famous, and powerful. patrizia still remembers an envelope that her grandfather sent back home from new york. >> with a check inside. signed, john fitzgerald kennedy. so, my grandfather was so proud of this. >> maurizio was born into this proud, and talented family, in 1948. his mother, tragically dying, when he was just five years old. he was raised by his father, rodolfo, a former silent film star, inheriting half of the family business. >> it was a relationship, always, where he was told to do things. he had to do them in a certain way, that he was a gucci, and therefore, needed to adjust to a cliché. there was never a moment of, sort of, contact. which is, what i think, he missed a lot. especially not having had a mother. so, his father was, potentially, the one who gave him the affection, and the rational behavior, but he only got the rational behavior, without the affection, and with a lot of toughness. >> maurizio did what his father expected of him, but all of that changed at a party in 1970 where maurizio met a chic, glamorous young woman named patrizia. >> she loved good style, she was ambitious, and she had been pushed by her mother to not only marry well but to marry a big name. >> patrizia's stepfather owned a successful trucking business, so patrizia had money but she lacked the social status, to which the gucci's belonged. nevertheless, maurizio fell head over heels for patrizia and proposed to her on their second date. >> she was incredibly beautiful, she was compared to elizabeth taylor. but i think it was actually her personality that made her very dynamic. >> dan wickford was peoples magazines editor-in-chief. >> she's very fun, very funny and very clever. she knew what she wanted and she went out to get it. so she wanted to get to that next economy of society and she met maurizio and found her way. >> she found her way but she found love too, right? there was a true love story. >> it felt like a love story. i love story turned very romeo and juliet when rodolfo actually said he didn't approve of patrizia. >> maurizio's father became even more dramatic when his son told him that he proposed to patrizia. >> he was very concerned over patrizia and how she spent money and how she wanted to lead her life. >> domenico who was gucci ceo -- and confidant. did he view her as a gold digger? >> yes, you can describe it that way, yes. >> and even gone all the way to the cardinal of milan to ask him to prevent the marriage from happening and the cardinal told him, no, if they are in love, we cannot do anything to stop them from wedding. >> desperate, rodolfo gave his son an ultimatum. it's either her or me. the choice maurizio made would be life-changing. but in ways he could not foresee. >> coming up -- >> she reminded me of joan collins. she was dripping in jewels, and makeup, and heels. >> she was a person who was very used to getting her way. >> love or family. which would maurizio choose? 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>> yes. >> by the early 1980s, gucci was firmly established as a must stop for the rich and famous. with 60 luxury boutiques around the world, the company had become an empire. as investigators explored maurizio's rise to the top of gucci, they learned maurizio and patrizia were both reveling in his success and the richest brought. >> that this phenomenal penthouse apartment in the olympic towers. they were the gucci couple around town. everyone knew who they were. >> new york's new power couple strutted their stuff at famous celebrity haunts like studio 54. >> at this point, patrizia is really enjoying life. she loves everything that's going on in new york. celebrities, fun, money, parties, new york is all about that. >> there was a famous interview that patrizia did and she talked about her lifestyle. >> patrizia said i would rather weep in a rolls-royce than be happy on a bicycle. which is just crazy. it's sums her up, that she is fascinated by luxury things. >> maurizio was too. he bought a ship called the creole then the largest wooden sailing boat in the world. jerry loud was an avid sailor who helped him renovate it, stir it into bow. >> we bought shape skin from japan. we traveled in art and mostly denmark. he liked the turkish and moroccan tiling. we went to -- to buy all the glassware and design all the dishes. >> their renovation came five years and the cost, $25 million. >> i think he was used to luxuriant surrounded himself with as much as he could. because he was brought up that way. he lived that life. and i don't know if he had any boundaries. it didn't occurred to him. >> maurizio started sponsoring sailing teams and races all over the world. he brought patrizia who didn't quite fit in. >> maurizio what arrived by helicopter and often she would accompany him and she reminded me of joan collins. she was dripping in jewels and makeup and heels, it was not appropriate because you're sailing. you are in sneakers, and jeans. and she would stand there and, i don't even know what she was thinking, but she would not participate in the out all. she seemed above it all and can be bothered by it. >> patrizia not only strutted her stuff in high society, she did it at gucci to. >> she tried to make decisions for him as far as who he would work with and tried to steer him in the direction that she thought the company should go in. that's how she was using her marriage. she wanted more money. more, and more, and more, and more. >> so maurizio had described his father as being domineering, but then he marries patrizia who turns out, she seems to be domineering as well? >> that's for sure. i think she was more domineering than rodolfo. >> when rodolfo died in 1983 and maurizio inherited half the company, patrizia's wish came true, her husband was finally on top. >> obviously maurizio is upset that his father died but he left him in such a strong position. >> now, maurizio had more shares in the company than anyone else, even his uncle and mentor aldo. but when maurizio tried to exert his new power, aldo slammed on the brakes. >> there was a lot of anger and frustration and jealousy. this was not a friendly family environment at all. >> investigators wondered, did the ensuing fight for the heart and soul of gucci lead to murder? >> coming up -- >> it could transform a caress into a scratch. >> inside the empire, infighting and intrigue. >> the animosity was so severe that the italian press would say instead of g is for gucci, g is for "guerra", war. >> i witnessed that on many occasions. >> and maurizio on the run. >> he called me he said, you couldn't believe what happened to, me he said the weed she is here, they're coming for you, you have to leave now. >> when dateline continues. and while you're hittin' the trail, i'm hitting your cooler. oh, cheddar! i've got hot dog buns! and your cut-rate car insurance might not pay for all this. so get allstate, and be better protected from mayhem, like me. roar. 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>> yeah, there was a sense of betrayal and i think that for them it was obviously not the ideal solution. they were just as close to the company as maurizio was. they were just as in love with the company. aldo said one thing that i'll never forget is that, i'm not selling you my shares but i'm selling you my soul. >> maurizio was willing to cut out his family so he chose company over family, at what cost? >> i think his mission was to try and save the company. in order to save the company, you have to make certain sacrifices. so tough decisions require also some tough consequences. but he was aware of those consequences and he was not afraid of accepting those consequences. >> aldo never got over his loss of gucci. he died a bitter man in 1990. >> aldo's funeral was very painful and maurizio comes down from milan but, you know, the animosity is so great that they just give him the cold shoulder. the resentment was through the roof. >> now, five years later, the prosecutor wondered where the seeds of murder planted in that vicious family feud? let talking to the family members, it was clear that there was a lot of feeling of resentment and betrayal, right? >> translator: i'm not sure about betrayal but there surely was resentment [end of translation] >> while investigators wondered about that, they were also pursuing a new lead -- they found that almost as soon as maurizio to control of gucci, his life of outrageous luxury and conspicuous consumption caught up with him. >> i knew how much money he inherited to the penny. i knew the bankers, i knew everybody. so i knew he was spending money. it was not very smart to spend. some people can be very wealthy asset wise because obviously you own the share of the company, but that doesn't mean you have the cash to keep this lifestyle. >> in fact, he owed tens of millions of dollars. by 1993, the banks had had enough. if maurizio didn't repay his debts, they would seize his shares of gucci. and then, a miracle. maurizio suddenly came up with the money. how did he do it? by reaching out to one of italy's most wanted men. an alleged terrorist and millionaire named -- who had been accused of planning to use a bomb that killed 16 people in 1969. he fled to japan before police could arrest him. >> translator: this whole thing was very strange. it was strange that maurizio ask for money. >> maurizio got a personal loan from him by promising him the rights to sell gucci products throughout the far east. so how much money did he borrow from him? >> translator: $40 million. [end of translation] >> that's 40 million reasons to kill someone. >> translator: that's why we wanted to understand why what their agreements were, and above, all if maurizio gucci gave the money back. [end of translation] >> uncle aldo said he sold his soul when he let go of gucci. investigators wondered had maurizio sold his to keep it. now possible suspects in the murder we're starting to pile up. and soon there would be one more to add to the list, someone else maurizio had wronged who had been threatening to do something about it, loudly. >> coming up -- >> she was unkind, always put him down. >> her pushing started to great on him. and he started to feel restless and started to feel sort of preyed upon. >> a marriage on the rocks. >> he packed back, he said it was going to florence for business meetings. >> and a new romance on the side. >> i had to walk down, i'll never forget it, this huge flight of stays and i got to the bottom and he said to me, i am your knight in shining armor. >> when dateline continues. we got it. -yeah, let's focus on the rv. -rv? okay, everybody, look at the rv and smile. this is what you want for your family portrait? good point. we bundled the boat with our home and auto first. -hey, team, get on in here. -team? oh. fun. now everyone say "24/7 financial protection with progressive"! 24/7 financial protection with progressive! okay. let's get some singles of me on the bike. honey. yeah. 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[speaking non-english] >> translator: when i questioned her for the first time, she was calm and confident. she was tense because she understood that the questioning was an important one. but she wasn't crying or trembling or worried. [end of translation] >> in terms of the evidence, i imagine the first thing you asked is the alibi. [speaking non-english] >> translator: yes, i did ask about her alibi. she had one. we could not place her in palaestrum that day. [end of translation] >> but now that he knew more about maurizio, he wanted to learn about patrizia too. so he went back in time again to when she watched her husband lead the company for the first time. >> she's finally seeing a return on her investment. >> sophia was an assistant editor at forbes who reported on maurizio's murder. >> she felt like she spent time and care in this relationship and she dreams of a life that she first saw in that party in milan in the early 70s. a decade later, there they are. they are the gucci couple. mr. and mrs. gucci. >> in public, they were fashions new power couple. but below the surface, maurizio and patrizia's ten year marriage began to crack. >> after some time, her pushing started to grate on him. and he started to feel restless and he started to feel preyed upon. you can definitely see that he had the beginnings of really wanting to call the shots himself. >> but there was also something else, or rather someone else. >> he said do i ever get to talk to you alone? and i said, me? you're married. >> sherrie loud was 25, ten years younger than maurizio when he made his move at a dinner after one of the sailing races they'd watched together. >> he said he never met anybody like me. real, funny, not impressed. not bejeweled or bedazzled and very natural, and american. >> sherry resisted at first. but maurizio was used to getting what he wanted. so several months later. there she was, waiting for him at a hotel in nice, france. >> i had to walk down, all never forget it, this huge flight of stairs and he was at the bottom. and i'm not really a nervous person but i had a lot of butterflies. and i got to the bottom and he said to me, i am your knight in shining armor. i just forgot the horse. >> it was the beginning of a passionate affair that would change sherry's life and maurizio's. by then, he had been married to patrizia for ten years. and was desperately looking for a way out. >> she was unkind, always put him down, didn't want to do anything that he wanted to do. he said he didn't love her anymore. he said he just had enough. >> maurizio had always shied away from confronting patrizia. so one day in may, 1985, he packed his suitcase and left the apartment he shared with patrizia and his two daughters. >> when maurizio left and i think this might speak a little bit to insecurity and lack of confidence. he did not say, patrizia, we need to talk, things aren't working. he didn't say anything, he packed a bag he said he was going to florence for a business meeting. he left, and it wasn't until the next day that he sent a friend to tell her that he wasn't coming back. >> not coming back? as in, ever. sherry found out about it the next time they met. >> he pulled up in a ferrari to pick me up from the airport and he said i moved out, i'm done. i didn't really know what the future would be for both of us, but i was happy that he felt free. >> maurizio may have felt liberated, but patrizia had been blindsided. >> it must of been in comprehensible to her because they had built so much of what they had together in her mind and i think it was also the fact that he couldn't tell it to her face was also indicative of how far apart they'd already grown. maurizio leaving made something else painfully clear, patrizia was never really a gucci. >> she would recall later on that he told her you see you fancied yourself president of gucci, but here there's only one president. >> but patrizia also remembered what maurizio's father, of all people, told her about her husband. >> he told patrizia that maurizio would change once he got the money, he said, be careful because once maurizio gets everything else bequeathed to him, he will change. and that's exactly what happened. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> but patrizia wasn't the kind of women who had that things like that just happen. >> coming up -- >> her anger starts to grow as she realizes that she's really suffering this deep loss. >> a woman, scorned. could she be planning to settle the score? >> for her it was very personal. she said she could never forgive what he did to her. >> and a dynasty unraveling. >> maurizio, had a strong vision. but the company was broke. it was a disaster. >> when dateline continues. sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand for a better night sleep. 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>> this is one of the most exclusive areas of milan. the fashion district is literally feet away. his office is around the corner. they live just up there on the last floor. a beautiful enormous apartment. they were remaking, redoing, and probably planning a future together. >> the story was that they were thinking of getting married. >> and that may have been a rumor that patrizia heard as well. >> her anger starts to grow as she realizes that she's suffering this deep loss, and it's really a loss of her own identity too because she had become to identify herself with gucci and as a senior gucci. >> in 1991, a year after he met paola, maurizio officially filed for divorce. even worse, the next year, patrizia was diagnosed with a brain tumor and rushed into surgery. in the recovery room, she opened her eyes, hoping that maurizio would be there. he was not. >> he sends flowers instead with a note that just reads maurizio gucci. which is definitely a cold move in her eyes. the fact that he doesn't show up when she's in hospital, needing him the most does not help in her frustration. and the way she starts to think of him really is less of a person, someone who's betrayed her and let her down multiple times. someone who she loved very much and who had done this to her. so the resentment grows particularly strong after that. >> the tumor turned out to be benign, but by now, patrizia's anger had become malignant. and just when it seemed that her rage could not rise any higher, it did. when in september 1993, maurizio lost gucci. >> maurizio had a strong vision. but maurizio did not execute, could not execute. and the company was broke. the company was really -- it was just a disaster. >> what happened? in his effort to return gucci to glory, maurizio focused on high end luxury items. but he pulled the plug on many of the cheaper products that actually made money for the company. gucci plunged into the red. >> i think we already saw the light at the end of the tunnel. the financial investor thought that it was in the interest of the company but also in the interest of the shareholders to try and change the leadership of the company. >> now for the first time in its 70 year history, there wasn't a gucci leading the company. it was a huge blow to the gucci family and to patrizia who took it personally. >> she said that she could never forgive what he did to her. so for her it was very personal when he lost gucci. it was a personal attack to her. and all that she had tried to do for him. >> did that despair and disappointment add up to a motive for murder? to make that case, prosecutor nocerino would need to find clear evidence. but that would have to wait. the alleged terrorist who had loaned maurizio $40 million was ready to talk. >> coming up -- an accused terrorist, a betrayed family, a bitter ex-wife. were any involved in this murder? 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[speaking non-english] >> translator: he clearly explained to us that you gave him the money back. [end of translation] >> and did you believe him, did he give you the proof? [speaking non-english] >> translator: he gave us proof of this payment. [end of translation] >> when you left that meeting in paris, you had eliminated zorzi as a suspect? [speaking non-english] >> translator: yes i did, that lead was over. [end of translation] >> years later, zorzi would be cleared of the terrorism charge to, and with him out of the picture, nocerino turned his attention to aldo's family. investigators interviewed the entire family, including his granddaughter, patricia gucci. >> we were all called and i told them what i knew. >> did they ever seem to suspect that anyone from the family could've done this? [speaking non-english] >> translator: no one in the family. actually, there was someone who did this terrible article. look for the killer inside the family. it was something completely made up. [end of translation] maurizio murder, that horrible fact happened. it's nothing to do with family members. so, done. square. cut. >> indeed, nocerino found that aldo's sons simply took the cash and ran, leaving their family business, including maurizio, behind. [speaking non-english] >> translator: right away it was clear that all the family fights were old. and all of them had been settled with contractual agreements. there weren't any more remaining fights. in this murder, the gucci family is not involved. there wasn't any evidence. [end of translation] >> and that left patrizia reggiani, maurizio's ex-wife who's still insisted on calling herself mrs. gucci, even though her contentious divorce with maurizio had been in all the italian tabloids, here she was at his funeral appearing as the grieving widow. >> she organized the funeral for maurizio and she was in the front row with the girls and so she was -- she at that moment kind of became la senora gucci again in a very public way. >> she makes this choice of wearing a black veil which is so dramatic and so she almost steps into the role of a black widow. >> it was a description the tabloids could not resist. but investigators soon learned that while most people abide by the old adage don't speak ill of the dead, this black widow wasn't one of them. >> a friend called and asked if she'd heard the news and she said maurizio may have died but i've just begun to live. >> and the more investigators started to looked, the more bitter patrizia looked to them especially after they uncovered a recording of a dramatic rant she sent to maurizio. she said, you reached the ultimate limit by making your own daughters despise you, who don't even want to see you so they can forget their trauma. you are deformed outgrowth, a painful appendix that we all want to forget. >> it was maurizio the inferno for you is yet to come. it was pure hatred. >> nocerino had no evidence tying patrizia to the shooting but he was sure she had motive. and not just jealousy or betrayal. maurizio had sold his stake in gucci for $135 million. perhaps nocerino, theorized, it was about money after all. >> after he lost control of the company in 1993, he had a finite amount of money. it was a lot, it was 135 million, but he was spending it like water. >> maurizio and his live in girlfriend paola franchi were completely renovating their apartment and they had expensive taste. >> it was absolute at the top and over the top. and they redid all the wood floors. so there was no end to the spending. they had a very luxurious lifestyle. >> add to that maurizio's ongoing restoration of his ship creole, his properties around the world, and new business ventures, none of them guaranteed to succeed. >> and patrizia grew very concerned that if he kept on at that rate that pretty soon there would be nothing left. >> and so patrizia, who famously called her generous 1 million dollar alimony more than a plate of lentils, started lambast staying maurizio on tv and in the newspapers. >> she was furious. she didn't hide that fury. she spoke straight out to the press saying he was a bad husband, he was a bad businessman, he was weak. >> she said he's like a seat cushion that keeps the imprint of the last person that is sat on it. >> patrizia's public outbursts scared paola. she said as much to investigators. >> paola is transparent that she things that patrizia is a lead suspect here. her life had been made hell by patrizia making these threats and being so angry. >> paulo told police that when maurizio died, his daughters inherited his apartment. and patrizia didn't waste any time taking possession of it. >> can you believe that not even 24 hours after the murder, patrizia shows up here front with an eviction letter and tells paola franchi, get out. >> 24 hours later? >> it gets worse than that. that letter was drafted after the murder, hours after the murder. >> paulo was tossed to the street? >> not only she, she basically tossed out everything that resembled maurizio and paola lives together. >> that's pretty cold. >> that's cold. >> powell's eviction was a disk stunning discovery for nocerino. it's almost as though patrizia knew she would take over the apartment before her ex husband was killed. but that was nothing compared to the bombshell patrizia's lawyer dropped. he told investigators patrizia may have been looking for a hit man. [speaking non-english] >> translator: patrizia reggiani's lawyer told us that reggiani asked him several times what would happen to her if she paid someone to kill her husband? [end of translation] >> her own lawyers is raising the red flag and saying it might be patrizia reggiani? [speaking non-english] >> translator: yes, we couldn't officially consider her guilty on the basis of his testimony. we needed something more. [end of translation] >> turns out, the lawyer was hardly the only one patrizia was talking to about a hit man. [speaking non-english] >> translator: we discovered there were other people who reggiani asked to kill maurizio gucci. for instance housekeepers she had in the past. they said she asked them to find someone. [end of translation] >> even though she's a suspect, you have no proof, right? [speaking non-english] >> translator: we don't, we don't have the smoking gun. but all of these people she asked where into criminals. it wasn't concrete evidence. [end of translation] >> but patrizia seemed widely indiscreet and nocerino that was just a matter of time before she said something incriminating. the prosecutor just needed to get it on tape. [speaking non-english] >> translator: we thought about putting a web cam in her house and bugging her house to see what kind of people she was hanging out with. but it is difficult because of apartment was huge. she could've been talking in any room. [end of translation] >> her phone calls were a different story. so investigators set up a wiretap and over one of those calls, nocerino heard a voice that caught his attention. it belong to a woman. [speaking non-english] >> translator: she was an ambiguous person. a woman from naples who was part of reggiani's circle. [end of translation] >> what was a mysterious woman from naples doing with a high society woman from milan? the answer, he suspected, would blow his investigation wide open. >> coming up -- >> patrizia said it in the moments of her deepest depression, peña was there, that she saved her life. >> it does say how close those two really were. >> who was this mysterious woman named peña? she'd come to be known as the black witch. >> he thought they were doing voodoo and spell casting and all sorts of crazy things. and i said, you have to be kidding me? is this stuff really happened? >> when dateline continues. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on... ♪ [coughing] ♪ ...by, you know how i feel. ♪ if you're tired of staring down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, ♪ ♪ it's a new day... ♪ ...stop settling. ♪ ...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function, and helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. take a stand, and start a new day with trelegy. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy, and save at trelegy.com mmm, popcorn. 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[end of translation] >> pina was a middle class woman from naples in the south of italy. with no social pedigree. not the sort of person with whom a high society diva like patrizia would associate. they met on an island vacation and hit it off when they discovered they actually had a lot in common. below the surface. >> she met pina at a spa together and pina made her laugh. and pina was friendly and she trusted pina because she was outside of this sort of backstabbing milanese social set. so that relationship warmed and flourished because they were both kind of outsiders. pina became almost like a sister to her. >> patrizia realize that pina how much to teach her about making her way in the world as a woman. [speaking non-english] >> translator: reggiani wanted to be mentored by pina. maybe she saw her like a wise woman. a woman who was an expert at life. [end of translation] >> pina was there when patrizia 's second daughter was born. and pina comforted patrizia when her husband abandoned her. >> patrizia said that when she was in her deepest depression that pina was, there she saved her life. >> it shows you how to close those two women were. >> but what did pina get out of this relationship? >> i remember a photo of them in st. lawrence -- probably having lunch or something, she had access to this kind of wealth and glamour by virtue of her friendship with patrizia. >> to investigators, the mere fact that pina was from naples was in itself suspicious. >> there's a certain connotation and stereotype that italians of the north have towards italians of the south. particularly with people from the naples area because of naples association with organized crime. >> but nocerino found no criminal record or evidence that she was anything but a good citizen. she once coincidentally owned a gucci store in naples. one thing was strange though. maurizio and patrizia were known to be a bit superstitious. and in their social circles, pina was rumored to be some sort of psychic. andrea miranda heard pina's name when maurizio would allow him to go on a business trip because of a premonition she had. >> i had to fly to hong kong and you came to me and you said you cannot go, you cannot go, you cannot go. you can't fly to hong kong. and i said why on earth? and he said pina, pina said maybe there is a problem on the plane. >> maurizio clearly believed she had powers, perhaps dark powers. he told his girlfriend sheree that pina it was the reason it had taken him years to leave patrizia even though he had fallen out of love with her. >> he didn't want to go because he didn't want to be chased down by pina. >> sheree says that after maurizio finally mustered up the courage to leave, he became convinced that patrizia was going to use pina's powers to exact revenge on him. like when one of creole's masks finally fell and broke through the ships floor -- >> he believed that that was part of patrizia and pina we had the boat exercised. he thought they were doing voodoo and spell casting and all kinds of crazy things. and i thought it was a dramatic italian. i've said, you've got to be kidding me? does this thing really happen? >> whether it did or not, maurizio clearly believed that patrizia had it in for him. and claimed she was even using tricks she might have learned from pina to create havoc in his life. >> maurizio told me a story that apparently she had a doll and would stick pins and the doll's was supposed to represent maurizio. >> she was crossing him by poking into him? >> exactly. >> so if patrizia was the black widow, could it be that pina was what the italians would call the black witch? nocerino wasn't interested in superstitions. he just wanted to know more about her. did you think that pina auriemma was the key to getting evidence that perhaps could tie a patrizia reggiani to maurizio 's murder? [speaking non-english] >> translator: yes i did, there's no doubt about that. because reggiani needed to be in contact with people who are far from her world. auriemma was the perfect person from this point of view. [end of translation] >> but investigators still needed a break. patrizia, pina, or someone close to them would have to make a mistake, spill a secret perhaps. and then they got what they were hoping for when the phone rang one night at police headquarters. an anonymous voice on the other end of the line. >> somebody just saying, i know who killed maurizio gucci. >> coming up -- >> a little bit like a spy movie. >> as a matter of fact, it became a little bit of a spy. >> a secret informant joins the case. >> he decided to call the police that he met with the head of the crime unit, right here in this park in milan in the middle of the night. >> and he hears a stunning confession. >> the hotel clerk said i was involved in the murder of maurizio gucci. >> when dateline continues. running is awesome. but her moderate to severe eczema would make her skin so uncomfortable. i was always so itchy especially when i was hot. now my skin doesn't itch as much. now we're staying ahead of her eczema. there's a power inside all of us to live our passion. and dupixent works on the inside to help heal your skin from within. it helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema. so, they can have clearer skin and less itch. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. healing from within is a wonderful thing. ask your child's eczema specialist how dupixent can help heal their skin from within. join me in the finish 24 hour challenge. start by cooking a lasagna. skip the rinse and load your dishes. 24 hours later when your dishwasher is full, let finish quantum clean your dishes. ♪♪ try finish quantum. unbeatable clean. unbeatable price. you can't leave without cuddles. but, you also can't leave covered in hair. with bounce pet, you can cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce. it's the sheet. 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[speaking non-english] >> translator: we were focusing our attention on those characters and thanks to these wiretaps, we established that they were responsible for the murder of maurizio gucci. [end of translation] >> who put them all up to it? nocerino heard it loud and clear through the informants mic. the name he had been waiting to hear -- patrizia reggiani. when you hear that moment in the wiretapped conversations, was it like, we got it! [speaking non-english] >> translator: more or less, but without cheering. >> the hotel informant told the informant that law reggiani had paid him$90,000 in advance. and -- after the murder. but when this unlikely gang read in the papers about all the millions patrizia and her daughters inherited, they got greedy and demanded more. >> so they're very angry and complaining in a tape recorder -- them owning about this and coming up with the plot of how to get the money back from patrizia and blackmail her. >> so police now know who the whole gang is and they have them all under surveillance. the even managed to wiretap the hotel clerks car. >> they did, and guess what they caught in that car speaking to the hotel clerk? about the murder and about asking patrizia law for more money? none other then pina auriemma, patrizia's confidant. >> that's right, patrizia's old friend was somehow in cahoots with the hit squad. and was now trying to extort her. they're all having these conversations openly about trying to blackmail patrizia for more money. [speaking non-english] >> translator: yes, but they didn't speak only about this request. they also spoke of what they did. [end of translation] >> that was enough evidence then? you had plenty of evidence just in those wiretaps? [speaking non-english] >> translator: yes we did. we had an abundance of evidence. [end of translation] >> on january 31st, 1997, almost two years after maurizio 's death, police moved in to arrest the entire mötley crüe. and what happened when they showed up on patrizia's doorstep was surreal. >> she goes upstairs, she comes back and she's wearing full makeup, gold jewelry, and a floor length fur coat. >> she was just going to put up a face which was the rich and untouchable woman that was probably the first place she went to in her mind. this can't be happening to me. do you know who i am? >> as patrizia was booked at the police station, her mother persuaded her to change her clothes. by then, the press had gotten word of the arrest and captured every second as she was led away to jail. >> it was, here i am, i am senora gucci and if you're gonna take me down i'm gonna go down fighting. with my head held high. >> prosecutor nocerino was determined that this untouchable woman feel the full extent of the law. but he also knew the case was far from over. the trial would be a media circus. and this black widow's fate could come down to the testimony of the black witch. pina auriemma was about to take the stand. >> coming up -- >> this was the trial of the century in milan. >> the prosecutor lays out his case. tape recordings, a revealing diary, and a surprising star witness ready to turn the tables. when dateline continues. oh, hello! hi! do you know that every load of laundry could be worth as much as $300? 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>> the cage. this is where defendants in the trial watch the trial. in this particular case it was the accused killer in the accused getaway driver. there's maybe a difference that -- something that's missing. >> the jury, where do they? >> during murder trials in italy, there are two jurors at -- six jurors and they decide together. >> as equals. >> as equals. >> that's so interesting. after a two-year investigation into maurizio gucci's murder, prosecutor nocerino was about to try the case of a lifetime. >> this was the trial of the century in milan. >> nocerino came to court armed with wiretap at recordings and surveillance footage. he also had a slew of star witnesses including almost all of patrizia's alleged accomplices. -- the hotel clerk and the pizzeria owner confessed and agreed to testify for the prosecution. the pizzeria owner turned getaway driver told the jury that patrizia met him to make sure he went through with the murder plot. >> he said i'm worried because what if they catch me? and that's when patrizia said don't worry about that, i will give you enough money for you, your children, your children's children, and if they catch you i will paper your cell with gold. >> that's when he decided to go forward with that? >> that's when he decided with him to do it. >> there it was, patrizia's direct connection to the murder plot. but don't take the pizzeria owner's words for it, the prosecutor told the jury. take patrizia reggiani's. she had incriminated herself by keeping a detailed record of her thoughts in of all things a cartier diary. >> one of the things she wrote in her diary is a sentence that will later come to haunt her, there are no crimes that money can't buy. >> and to top it off, nocerino turned the diary to the day that maurizio was shot in cold blood. they're on the page, a single word, paradise. that's it. >> practically an admission of guilt. >> the prosecution went for the coup de grâce calling patrizia for's best friend and confidant pina auriemma to the stand. she had been silent for more than a year since her arrest. but shortly before the trial, she told investigators she was ready to talk. and of course the italian press was falling all over itself to cover the confrontation between the alleged murder mastermind and the reputed psychic. the black widow versus the black witch. [speaking non-english] >> translator: when i was on the stand face to face with patrizia i wasn't emotional at all. because in that moment i was only telling them the truth. i didn't lie and i admitted my faults and by frailties. [end of translation] >> this is pina more than two decades after she betrayed the woman who had entrusted her with all her deepest secrets. why do you think she trusted you? >> translator: because it wasn't like i was part of the wealthy millionaires world so i couldn't talk. who could i tell her secrets to? the wall? so having a friend in naples and being able to tell her everything without anyone later knowing was a big advantage for her. this is why she told me everything. [end of translation] >> pina said that patrizia first thought of murdering maurizio when she realized he had fallen in love with paola franchi and was thinking of marrying her. [speaking non-english] >> translator: she was in pain. but what i realized was that she was more sad and sorry about losing her name. [end of translation] >> she didn't cry tears because she lost her husband it was more, she was enraged and mad because she was losing the gucci name and the power of being a gucci? [speaking non-english] >> translator: of course. that is what triggered her. [end of translation] >> and pina testified, that's what led patrizia to ask her to look for a trigger man. and why would you do that for her? [speaking non-english] >> translator: listen it was absolutely not my intention to do such a thing. i knew how stubborn she was. so i thought i would introduce or to some people i knew who are not capable of killing someone. but who certainly we're capable of making money off of her. [end of translation] >> pina claimed the plan she cooked up was just a scam, a double cross designed to take patrizia's money not to kill anyone. pina recruited the hotel clerk for one simple reason, he was the only other person she knew in milan and someone who would never commit murder. [speaking non-english] >> translator: he was not a criminal, he was not a delinquent. he has never seen a gun. his aim was only to trick her. we were hoping that this idea of killing maurizio would disappear from her mind. [end of translation] >> so the hotel clerk went to the pizzeria owner who needed money to repay his gambling debts. but then the pizzeria owner went to the only small time criminal he knew, the former mechanic, who had a gun. it was at that point according to pina that patrizia who is getting impatient when behind or back to go meet the gang. the scam took a horrible turn. [speaking non-english] >> translator: so she took me totally out of the picture. i do not know what you promised this people to commit this heinous crime. [end of translation] >> that's how pina claimed to be completely out of the loop when maurizio was killed. but after the murder happened then you went to pay them, is that right? [speaking non-english] >> translator: yes, i did. i was weak once again with her, as i always was with her. the people needed to be paid and she made me pay them. and i did that like an idiot. [end of translation] >> prosecutor nocerino knew that putting pina on the stand was a gamble. the strange story would give the defense an opportunity to fear -- and blame her for murder. [speaking non-english] >> translator: auriemma never stepped back. there wasn't a point where she said, i quit. [end of translation] >> she probably knew about it. she wasn't sure if they would go through with it though. [speaking non-english] >> translator: she knew almost everything. she didn't know exact moment would be but she knew they were going to do it. [end of translation] >> did pina know much more than she let on? what she actually the brains behind the murder? it was the question patrizia's defense team couldn't wait to ask. >> coming up -- the defense strikes back. >> they presented a letter written by patrizia in which she wrote, if you're looking for who murdered maurizio, it was pina auriemma and then she blackmailed me. >> and the most dramatic moment of the trial. the accused ex-wife takes the stand. >> when you confronted her, did she seem shaken at all? nervous? >> no. >> everybody wanted to hear what was she going to say. >> when dateline continues. because scent can't sanitize. lysol can. sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders and weight gain were not common. call your doctor about sudden mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants may increase these risks in young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. caplyta can help you let in the lyte. ask your doctor about caplyta. find savings and support at caplyta.com. ♪ it's the most wonderful time of the year ♪ ♪ non-drowsy claritin knocks out symptoms from over 200 allergens. without knocking you out. feel the clarity and make today the most wonderful time of the year. live claritin clear. i used to wait to run my dishwasher 'til it was super full. now, i dish differently. i run it daily. weekdays... weekends... sometimes after a big snack. you might think that's wasteful, but it's not. 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[end of translation] >> it seems that the defense strategy was to put the blame squarely on to pina. >> they presented a lead or written by patrizia before she got arrested in which he wrote, if you're looking for who murdered maurizio it was pina auriemma and then she blackmailed me. >> in fact, the pizzeria owner supported that idea when he testified that on the day before the murder, he'd received a call from pina who told him that maurizio had returned to milan from a business trip. the defense argued the call set the stage for the murder. the defense also brought up the rumors about pina's psychic abilities and charged she use them to control patrizia. [speaking non-english] >> translator: mrs. auriemma was considered a clairvoyant, an adviser. mrs. auriemma had this relationship with gucci. and she had a strong relationship with mrs. reggiani whom i believe she exercised a lot of control. [end of translation] >> but on the stand, pina denied that she controlled patrizia or that she saw the future. after all, if she could see the future, wouldn't she have avoided being put on trial for murder? [speaking non-english] >> translator: it is absolutely not true. i don't even believe in these kinds of things because they are totally nonsense. i would've been a bad card reader because i should have at least predict our arrest, no? [end of translation] >> after pina step down, the attorney continued the defense case with his own strange admission. it is true, he said, patrizia reggiani had been asking people around town to kill maurizio. but that's only because she wasn't in her right mind at the time. >> you remember the brain tumor patrizia had? the defense was making a big deal out of that. >> why? >> they said that the brain tumor was clouding her judgment and kind of affected the way -- what she was talking about when she was going around and everybody she wanted someone to kill her husband. >> so the personality death disorder defense? >> that's right. >> basically saying that she was going around town saying all of this but she didn't really mean it. the court ordered patrizia to be evaluated by a panel of psychiatrists. >> they found she wasn't crazy, at all. but that she had something called a narcissistic personality disorder. and the effect of this was if anything happened to her, she experienced it and interpreted it as a personal attack. >> so it didn't come as a surprise when patrizia took the stand in her own defense. it was the moment all milan, all of italy, had waited for. >> everybody was in the courtroom that day. and everybody wanted to hear what was she going to say. how was she going to come across? >> patrizia testified that it was pina who organized maurizio 's murder behind her back. she said she was afraid to go to police when pina's blackmailing started. after, the hitmen had assassinated maurizio on a busy mom streets in broad daylight. what would they do to her or worse, her daughters, if she didn't cooperate? >> she was a very cool, she was wearing a lemon colored suit. she looked good considering that she had been in jail for months and under a tremendous amount of pressure. but she executed her testimony very well. >> now it was time for nocerino 's cross examination. could he rattle patrizia? >> when you confronted her with the information that you had gathered, did she seem shaken at all? nervous? [speaking non-english] >> translator: no, she was not nervous at all. she was very controlled and she answered the questions with confidence. even the more insidious questions like what she wrote in her diary that day that gucci was killed. [end of translation] >> how did she explain that diary entry though? writing paradise right after learning that your husband is dead. [speaking non-english] >> translator: that it was a liberation for her. because she was constantly thinking about all the bad things that he did to her. about the broken marriage, about the fact that he left the family. [end of translation] >> at the root of it all, nocerino told the jury in his closing arguments, maurizio's cold blooded murder may simply have been the revenge of a woman whose self image he shattered. [speaking non-english] >> translator: it was the resentment of a woman with wounded pride. so there was a strong component of resentment which goes beyond money. [end of translation] >> after five month trial that captivated the entire country, the prosecution and the defense finally left it up to the jury. what they believe the black widow or the black witch? all of italy held its breath. >> coming up -- >> was she the femme fatale? maybe. >> the verdict surrendered. all of them. what they're be justice for maurizio gucci? >> the name, the money, the fame, the drama. it was a shame, it's a sad story. >> when dateline continues. counter. and now, rca, introduces their revolutionary otc hearing aids... starting as low as $99. delivered, free...right to your door. they're affordable, they're not the cost people associate with hearing aids or hearing devices. the old fashioned hearing aids were a serious hassle. my old fashioned ones cost me $5,000 and these actually work better. the rca hearing aids are more than $5,000 less. act now and reclaim the joy of hearing with rca otc hearing aids. from as low as $99. you will not find hearing aids of this quality at this price anywhere. the first moment i received my hearing aids from rca, i popped them in my ear, and it was like bam, i could hear everything! you know rca. the quality is there. you got a company behind it that is the leader in the industry in sound. with completely adjustable volume, built in. simply slip on rca's rechargeable otc hearing aids and instantly hear your world again! i love you. never miss a moment again. after you get your hearing aids you realize how much you were missing, you know. i can't wait to get home and hear my grandkids playing. no more missed moments. that's right. don't wait any longer to finally hear what you've been missing. no doctors. no tools required, and no batteries to fumble with! it's not worth waiting. oh my gosh if i had only known, i would have gotten these years ago. you cleared up decades of frustration in a second. i hate that i waited this long. order now for the low introductory price of just $99. you get a carrying case and accessory kit, plus free shipping. add a second hearing aid and we'll include a bonus deluxe charging cradle free! order now...call this number, or visit rcahearingaids.com when i first learned about my dupuytren's contracture, my physician referred me to a hand specialist. and i'm glad he did, because when i took the tabletop test, i couldn't lay my hand flat anymore. the first hand specialist i saw only offered surgery. so, i went to a second hand specialist who also offered nonsurgical options - which felt more right for me. so, what i'd say to other people with dupuytren's contracture is this: don't wait —find a hand specialist trained in nonsurgical options, today. >> the courthouse where the i found mine at findahandspecialist.com. trial of maurizio gucci's alleged murders took place isn't far from milan's medieval house of justice. judges once stood on this balcony to proclaim their verdicts. their words echoing around the square. on november 3rd, 1998, milan's current judges were about to render a verdict that would echo far beyond the cities walls. so where were you? >> my seat was here. >> and where was patrizia reggiani? >> patrizia reggiani was there. >> three and a half years after maurizio gucci was assassinated, the gavel came down on patrizia reggiani. she was pronounced guilty of ordering the murder of her ex husband and sentenced to 29 years. take me back to the moment, the verdict. when you hear guilty, what did you feel? >> for me, liberation for me. >> it took a toll. >> yes. >> and what about her reaction? >> not really a reaction. >> nothing? >> no emotion. >> really? wow. >> when he heard about the guilty verdict, gucci's former ceo kept replaying a conversation he had with patrizia at her apartment just two months before her arrest. >> we talked about maurizio, we talked rodolfo, we talked about the family. and she was very clear about in a way maurizio's weaknesses and faults. it was very interesting. i had no idea at that point that she was the one that murdered maurizio. >> you said she kept pointing out maurizio's weaknesses. why do you think she was doing that? >> probably to justify in her own mind what she had done. maybe? patrizia was very defensive about her two lovely daughters. by doing that, the children inherited all the money. knowing maurizio, he is a reasonable good assumption that he would spend most of the money very quickly. so that could be a reason in her own mind that she was protecting her children. >> the rest of the crew was found guilty too. the former mechanic whose shot maurizio was sentenced to life. the getaway driver got 29 years. the hotel clerk, 26. pina auriemma was sentenced to 25 years behind bars. it was kind of ridiculous the kinds of characters that ended up carrying out what looks like a professional hit job. [speaking non-english] >> translator: incredible, incredible. [end of translation] >> it was almost a comedy of characters. >> italian comedy. >> pina auriemma spent time in the same prison. but their friendship was over. [speaking non-english] >> translator: in jail, i studied a lot, i read a lot. and -- in the evening she would go back to her cell. if we did meet in prison, i ignored her, she ignored me. [end of translation] >> pina got out in 2010 and is trying to live a quiet and private life. but she says that doesn't mean she will ever be able to escape what she's done. how much does this continue to haunt you? [speaking non-english] >> translator: always. always? maurizio is always on my mind. [end of translation] >> do you think the story is gonna go away for you? [speaking non-english] >> translator: the story will never, and never. we will keep coming back. [end of translation] >> which means that patricia gucci, maurizio's cousin, will have to keep fighting to reclaim her family's name. she said the gucci family never give their approval to the house of gucci book or the movie. she also said that looking at her family through the lens of patrizia reggiani's crime only encourages people to associate the gucci's with dysfunction and murder rather than with the influential fashions and creative ingenuity for which they should be famous. [speaking non-english] >> translator: it's my family story that a lot of things have been told in the wrong way. always focusing on the attention on all these arguments, all of these feuds. newspaper articles always saying the feud continues. just stop. it's enough. [end of translation] >> patricia says that reggiani has stolen her name from her and she wants it back. >> my name is patricia gucci. it's the only name i have. >> you're the only patricia gucci? >> i'm the only patricia gucci, yes. >> it's very unlikely that patrizia reggiani will give up the gucci name. whether it's hers to keep or not. when she was released from prison in 2016, she proceeded to walk down milan's grandest shopping street with a parrot on her shoulder. apparently cherishing the paparazzi's attention. >> she would never disappear into oblivion. that is not in her nature. she feeds off attention. she's a narcissist. she wants to be the center of her own story. >> i think she was very authentic in her own way. i don't know if i would call her -- was she a femme fatale? maybe, but i don't think she started out with a version of where she was going to end up. she gave an interview not too long ago, the interviewer asked her, if you could say anything to maurizio today what would you say? and she said forgive me. >> sheree loud isn't thinking about forgiveness. she worries more about the man patrizia had killed being forgotten. to her, maurizio gucci's sensational murder has come to overshadow the man she knew and loved. a visionary whose loss deprived the world of inspiration and beauty. >> he was a dreamer and i felt blessed to know a soul like his. he was a very special person. regardless of the name, the money, the fame, the drama. he was just a pure love. it was a shame, it's a sad story. >> i'm craig melvin. and this is dateline! >> i just knew that something happened. my gut said it was bad. >> he said, i'm on one 92, on a beautiful highway. and it was like he did vanish into thin air. >> it was very confusing, das don't go missing. >> this one did, and he hasn't been seen since. >> anyone who has looked at the case has their own theory. >> was he murdered? was it suicide? did he just walk away? >> whatever happened and here is

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