and when they describe that to me, i was shocked when they said that there was also tape of that. that in, fact there is, that's part of the tape those released a night, and those one of three tips released an. there is a lot out there. kevin mccarthy's life is getting more and more the vehicle by the second, but it's not like there's anybody else that's rising up to take over the reigns of house republicans to try to take over the speakership. i'm not sure anybody would reach that drop on their will stymie. >> and, it's tuesday, so, we have plenty more tape opportunities this week. i am expecting at least one or two more tapes. >> well, the burns on line but doesn't come until a week from today so it's a long on around. >> and then, what are you saving for publication day? you must be saving something. there's gotta be some tape for that. so we'll see. >> as gambia long week for kevin mccarthy. and it's just tuesday, as you said. thank you lawrence. >> thank you rachel. democrats in disarray. that is a favorite washington media theme. as soon as any two democrats can be found to publicly disagree on anything, the democrats and the sort headline is ready to go. but we have never seen anything like the disarray and the outright madness on display in the republican party that we are seeing right now, and we are seeing it in georgia. thanks to the madness of donald trump and trumpism, and thanks to the beating john ossoff delivered to the republicans in his winning senate campaign that gave control of the united states senate to the democrats. disarray, to put it mildly, has developed among the republicans. in georgia. john ossoff crushed david perdue's hopes for reelection to the senate. and, now david perdue is desperately running for governor of georgia, with donald trump support against incumbent republican governor brian kemp. donald trump's hatred of brian kemp is based on governor kemp's refusal to commit state and federal crimes and try to overthrow the election results for the president in georgia. and before i tell you which of these candidates is way ahead of the other, take a look at the republican disarray in georgia caused by donald trump and senator john ossoff, who will be joining us on this program tonight. >> first off, folks, let me be very clear tonight. the election in 2020 was rigged and stolen. all the madness we see from the biden administration, all of the other, take a look at the republican disarray in georgia caused by donald trump and senator john ossoff, who will be joining us on this program tonight. >> first off, folks, let me be very clear tonight. the election in 2020 was rigged and stolen. all the madness we see from the biden administration, all that must be in georgia when they allowed radical democrats to seal our election. >> i don't need to be lectured by some on the lost their last election about what our voting laws are. >> you're the top cop in the states. is your job to make sure that we prosecute voter fraud. >> the fact is, if you haven't lost your rates to john all saw. we would've lost control of the senate. and we do not have the disaster that we have in washington right now. >> this governor kemp, once again, authorizing that john ossoff won his senate race against cuba purdue fans square and see if the current georgia polls prove true, david perdue is on his way to another crushing defeat in georgia, which means that donald trump is on his way to another crushing defeats in georgia. we will discuss that and much more when senator jon ossoff joins us later in this hour. the new york times released new audio today of kevin mccarthy saying what he really thinks, and of course, will secretly recorded audio of the conference call the republican house leadership because kevin mccarthy never says what he thinks and public, only the secrets mccarthy tapes can show us what he really thinks. the possible suspects from taping the call include all of the members of the republican leadership at the time, january 10th 2021. which included then house republican conference chair, liz cheney. and the suspect list includes many others because, as the new york times notes, several staff members for all of the members of congress who participated in that call, we're also listening in on the call. and then a position to tape it including and this is very important for a life of government these office. including kevin mccarthy's staff. it could be mccarthy's staff, the tape could be coming from inside the mccarthy house. on the call, given mccarthy refers to briefings, from the fbi says a donor sixth attack on the capitol, indicating the lives of some members of the house may be in danger. given mccarthy expresses his worry the republican members of the house like matt gates, matt, brooks and others, should stop attacking democratic members of the house by name and some republicans by name, presumably, because kevin mccarthy feared that if the fbi reports were true, one of those members of congress could be the victim of severe or deadly violence, which, could then, be rightly attributed to republican encouragement. >> the other thing that we have to do is, these numbers are fair. whatever position you're calling out, especially in this nature. i'm gonna call him, the pension is too high, the country's too crazy. i did not want to look back and think we caused something, or remain something, like someone got hurt. i want to play politics with anybody. >> the times reports that kevin mccarthy vowed to do something about the rhetoric from his wild members, but the times also reports that kevin mccarthy actually did absolutely nothing. >> okay, the other thing i want to bring out with this phone call with the members, i just got something scent now that matt gates said that he was calling people names and saying anti trump, and some other places. this is serious stuff people are doing that has to stop. >> i think, moe moe and louise comments to, a lot of members have said some real concerning things about. >> okay, the other thing i want to bring out with this phone call with the members, i just got something scent now that matt gates said that he was calling people names and saying anti trump, and some other places. this is serious stuff people are doing that has to stop. >> i think, moe moe and louise comments to, a lot of members have said some real concerning things about. >> they say something today to? >> not to -- i mean, mueller's at the rally, the, we're kicking butt and taking names thing,, other trump rally. >> gonzales sent it to me, some calling gates, when exploiting them, are of what i'm gonna say. we are not some people call into. but the nature of what's, if i'm getting briefings, and i'm going to get another one from fbi tomorrow, this is serious, cut this out. >> yeah, that's, it's potentially legally snowing. >> well, he's putting people in jeopardy, and he doesn't need to be doing this. we saw what people do in the capital, we know those people came prepared with a rope, with everything else. >> in a court filing, the dinner six committee describes testimony from cassidy hutchinson, a former aide to trump white house chief of staff mark meadows. in, which may such incident testifies about the members of congress who she knew, she personally knew, were involved in discussions with mark meadows about urging vice president mike pence to overthrow the electoral college results on january 6th. the new york times reports that cassidy hutchinson said, members of congress involved in the discussions at various points included representatives scott perry, representative jim jordan in ohio, representative and the bigs, locals are. representative moe brooks. representative jody hice. marjorie taylor greene. louis gohmert, lauren boebert. the court documents revealed that message incident also testified that in one discussion, mr. perry endorsed the idea of encouraging supporters to marched at the capitol, and that no one on the call objected to the proposal. she made clear that the members of congress were inclined to go with white house guidance about directing a crowd to the capitol. the night before the attack on the capitol, congressman matt gates appeared on fox and talked about, quote, tens of thousands of people potentially marching in the streets in washington d. c. tomorrow. in his recent, look mark meadows claim that they had loved the line of marching of the capitol, and that he would mark watch with them. and then we will see that. caution's and contradicted that in her testimony to the january six committee. she said mr. meadows had said, in casual conversation, oh, we're gonna have this big rally. people are talking about all social media. they're going to go up to the capital. mark meadows own staff member cassidy hutchinson testified under oath from mark meadows said before january 6th, quote, they are going to go up to the capitol. one reason why the justice department still hasn't acted on the january six committees recommendation of a criminal prosecution of mark meadows and congress, for refusing to testify the committee might be because the justice department might be investigating mark meadows for possible criminal involvement in encouraging the attack on the capitol, as cassidy hutchinson's testimony indicates. leading off our discussion tonight, stuart stevens, veteran republican presidential campaigns. he is author of, it was all a lie. how the republican party became donald trump. also with, us jeanne robertson, social editor and poster prize-winning columnist. he's an msnbc political analyst. and eugene, we are in week two of the mccarthy tapes. and we suspect there are more on the way. matt gates out tonight with an enraged attack on kevin mccarthy. and stephen scalise saying they are weak, the state show that they are weak. and, so the disarray is in full bloom in the republican house. >> yeah, lawrence, what is going to be our reference to the republicans in ruin? republicans and riot? something like that? we've got a settle on one. because that's what's happening at the center right now is given mccarthy who has to be the most inept lawyer i've seen in washington a long time. he lies, he lies about the lies. he lies and tells people in these calls that we just released today, i can do this, and into that. he doesn't seem to be doing any of. it how did this man become the leader of the minority caucus in the house? and how does he intend to be speaker when it doesn't seem to be that his numbers can actually trust anything he says? even when he is trying to do the right thing, like keep people like gates and marjorie taylor greene and more, brooks and the others under some semblance of control. it's a mess. it's a mess. >> and, stuart, he cannot trust anyone around town. he's not like the mafia walls like on top on the phone because the phone is being taught by his own people. he's gonna have to meet people out in one spot parking lots and paid them downturn sure they're not wired now. >> yeah, i mean, look. this is like a lot of a flies, and given crowd he's gonna end up like could you this brains bashed out. you can't accommodate terrorists, and also these rolling numbers are. and this whole method that we keep indulging ourselves and, it's somehow an office veterans from someone. once all trump becomes president, he'll start acting like a president. once republicans get in power, the lack responsibly. that's absurd. the idea that none democratic people become more democratic when they get more power is never been proven to be true. that's the exact opposite. so, kevin mccarthy is just somebody who thought he could cut a deal with those people. but they're gonna get him a life. >> gates, congressman gates tweeted tonight, this is the behavior of week, men not leaders. he said, well i was protecting president trump from impeachment, they're protecting liz cheney from criticism. and, he goes on from there ranting on from there. kevin mccarthy's struggles -- we see the struggle he was in about time, and now that whole struggle has revisited itself know that the tapes come out. he's gonna have to go through it all again. >> yeah, it's gonna go on and on. it's not ironic, it's just insane that public enemy number one and today's republican party's list cheney. a lifelong, rock ribbed, conservative republican. republicans republican. he couldn't be more conservative, she couldn't be more dedicated to used to be the party's ideals. and she is the worst thing that you can say about kevin mccarthy, or anybody, but they are alive. somehow dulles cheney. that says everything you need to know about just how off the rails today's republican party is. and we really should worry what happens to the house of representatives. mountains of this country if these people actually do regain control, because they're worse than ever. >> and, stuart, the essence of the conspiracy for weeks became january 6th, and it was aimed at vice president pence throwing out electoral results. i know those people seem to wonder why i'll gordon do that in what was his own presidential election when he was the vice president, and on january 6th, did not throw out florida's electoral results. didn't try to, basically, grab the election from self in any way. but mike pence didn't actually, decide according to all the reporting on this. he didn't decide not to do that. until about 24 hours before the moments was going to come real's gonna have to basically participate in the certification of the electoral college. >> i mean, look, we're doing? all we know that there was a conspiracy to end the transference of power in the united states of america, with just and the american experience. at the center of this was mike pence. he's the vice president of the united states. he knew that this was happening, and we do when they're gravel started democracy released and 1960 happened? he waited to see which side was gonna win. you're not calling dan quayle because you are outraged, you're calling that really because your outrage. you call the press conference because you are outraged. prince is the guy who's going to see was gonna win, and when it was clear that they weren't able to pull this coup off, you want to the winning side. and with the idea of praising pence here for doing what was constitutionally obligated for him to do, it's very dangerous. it's the dumbing down of any sort of moral responsibility. >> yeah, the pence call to quayle's reported as colin quayle to ask him, can i do this? actually trying to see there's a way to do it. and professor quayle had to explain to him the constitution of the united states. sullivan,'s general person, thank you so much for signing off our discussion tonight, really appreciate it. and, coming up, the senior senator from georgia, john ossoff, will join us next. fear no food. new poligrip power hold and seal. i may be close to 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>> i reject the suggestion that it's systemic failure, things go, wrong we don't get it right the first, time were not perfect. >> now stationed in south korea, captain cho, flew 7000 miles to make sure these failures would be the last. >> no one else is here to speak up for my daughter. >> stuart hayes, nbc, news the capitol. >> joining us now on our washington studio, is senator jon ossoff of georgia, he's a senate home homeland seek security committee, the judiciary committee, and the rules committee. senator ossoff, today it was chairman, today you are trying your first subcommittee hearing. that's, right i chair the permanent subcommittee on investigations, which is the chief investigative body in the u.s. senate. just a few months after i took office, i sat down with military families at fort gordon near augusta georgia, to hear what they needed from their senator. they told me nightmarish stories about the conditions they endured, and the housing on post. and the appalling treatment that they suffered at the hands of the company that managed to house. i told him i would take action, launched an eight-month intensive bipartisan investigation, as the chair of the subcommittee. we reviewed tens of thousands of pages of documents, interviewed dozens of witnesses, today we released our findings, and we held this hearing to spotlight some of the heroic stories of the service members. these are folks who give so much for their own country, they sacrificed so much. they and their family should not have to sacrifice a safe home. we are talking about kids getting sick, living in military housing on bases in the united states. it's a travesty, and that's why have been so committed to this investigation, and have an old into account those responsible. >> what is the solution? >> when i've done is establish a facts, and that is step one. step two is for congress to engage with the pentagon, and a department of justice, to determine if their solution is legislative or administrative. the company responsible for this ongoing mistreatment, was engaged from 2013 to 2019, in a scheme to defraud the united states. would our investigation revealed, is that the mistreatment of military families is ongoing, we established those facts through our investigation now the work is to develop legislative bodies. >> we're going to get to the massive republican georgian politics in a moment. i wanna stay with us, because one of the reasons i want to talk to you tonight is that this is an example of, when i guess we would acquired by partisanship happening the senate. things like this work like this, it's getting done in the senate, but it is not grabbing those headlines in a way that other things do. what can you tell us about what it's like when you are actually engaged in real bipartisan work like this on the committee? >> well, this is why i ran for office, is to use the power of the congress to serve my constituents, to serve the people. when we have members of the armed forces, who put their lives on the line, in defense of our nation whose family is make these enormous sacrifices, and in return they have to live in homes where the ceilings are caving in, where there is asbestos, lead, mold and mildew contamination. when they're giving you the run around while they try to address and repair these issues very well your kids are getting sick. that should offend every single american. congress should be more work like this, instead of folks using the power of government to thank each other on go partisan grounds we should focus on helping people who elected, us that's our job. >> i've never seen a senate election, and senate win, change our politics so much. first off, when gave democrats they control the senate. this is sequentially, your race was called, hours after senator warnock's race was called. so technically you came in as the 50th, you are the last one elected, you made chuck schumer the majority leader. you've got control of the senate for the democrats, which is just a giant accomplishment for one senate election. and then you managed to destroy the republican party in your state while you are at it, and now they are at each other like we've never seen before. >> you know, i'm not paying too much attention to the republican infighting in georgia. but i am focused on ensuring that my brother, my colleague, my friend, senator reverend raphael warnock is reelected to the senate. on the political side, that is my highest priority. i cannot speak highly enough about the work that senator warnock is doing, about the place and way he has established himself as a moral voice in the u.s. senate. and so, i want to urge everybody out there to prepare to suit up, and senator warnock would say. strap your shoes, on get ready to knock doors again, get ready to make calls, get ready to write postcards, georgia is gonna need you again senator warnock is gonna nguyen. >> can you explain to your viewers why if you both got elected on the same, but you've got to be the senior senator. >> is just the alphabet. senator warnock does give me a hard time about that. i'm putting in the work to ensure he comes back next year. >> when you watch david perdue running now and seeing that the election was stolen. he seems to be you saying that you stole the election from him, as well as democrats stealing the election from donald trump. >> look, i already beat david perdue, i'm not gonna get into it with him, david and governor kemp can fight it out, they're gonna slide it out and i'm gonna let them do that. we'll say is this. the effort by the outgoing administration to seize and retain power. to defy the will of the people. to use all of the instruments in the department of justice, the intelligence community to subvert constitutional processes in the u.s. senate, that sustain the peaceful transfer of power, those are examples of the abuse of political power those are examples of the misuse of office. those are examples of folks who have been so consumed by their addiction to and lost for power, that seat they see power is just a means to more power. i see power as a means of serving ordinary people. i see power as a means of standing up for that military family in augusta georgia, for that service member who's going out every single day in a military intelligence battalion, protecting our country from cyber threats, developing critical intelligence for national security, we have to come home at night and risk the ceiling caving in in their kids bedroom, because the home is riddled with mold. so, look, they're fighting it out politically on the republican side in georgia. every single day i go to work and figure out how i'm gonna serve the people who elected me. >> senator jon ossoff, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. >> it's my pleasure, and it's always, elect jalen. com, help me and help us in georgia. >> jon ossoff, i really appreciate, it coming up, vladimir putin reached an agreement in principle with the un director general, today, about evacuating civilians from mariupol. but of course, no evacuation has taken place. and the european alliance against vladimir putin today showed the most unity against a european aggressor, since world war ii. that is next. does daily stress leave you feeling out of sync? 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