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permanently moved below ground hoping to wait out the air assaults and russian offensive. and ukraine's defense has limited russia's effectiveness according to a british defense ministry report. despite a lack of resources and combat spot drained by the battle for mariupol, russia has made several small advances in the donbas. the united states is looking to bolster ukraine's defenses with more military aid. this comes on the heels of a secret visit to kyiv where secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary lloyd auston med with president volodymyr zelenskyy. it was after the meeting that auston add blinken spoke to reporters in poland and offered a major shift. >> we want to see russia weakened to the degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading ukraine. so it has already lost a lot of military capability and a lot of its troops, quite frankly. and we want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that capability. >> again, this is a major shift in tone for u.s. officials who are no longer simply supporting ukraine in its fight with russia but seeking to permanently weaken russia's military. joining me now is matt bradley from zaporizhzhia, ukraine and the "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst peter baker. guys, we have a lot to talk about. not only the defense secretary and the secretary of state visiting kyiv in secret, there's also going to be a new ambassador it looks like at least to ukraine. the reopening of the embassy and you had lloyd auston saying he wants to permanently weaken russia. at the same time, the war is still very much raging there. matt bradley, bring us up to speed with what's happening on the ground. >> yeah, well, katy, we just saw that blitz attacking for the most part military attacking a key thing there, railway stations and railway infrastructure. that's threatening because there's two u.s. cabinet officials who visited just over the weekend. they arrived in kyiv via rail. this seemed to be a signal both to the ukrainians that the russians can attack what is a very important infrastructure piece, which is the raiway system in ukraine. that has been used against civilians to the east of the country where i am in zaporizhzhia. and you're the first anchor to dare to pronounce zaporizhzhia and you did it very well and also bringing weapons, the much-needed weapons that volodymyr zelenskyy has been begging to be brought here to be used in the strikes. we're starting to see some signs, some very, very modest gains in the eastern part of the country. i got to tell you, katy, this much anticipated huge eastern offensive, it's been happening in terms mostly of shelling in near the line of control, in that war that ukraine has been fighting against russian-backed separatists ever since 2014 but there hasn't been much in terms of actual land fighting, actual seizure of land. so instead this huge eastern assault, this eastern offensive, it started with more of a whimper than a bang. one of the reasons for that is that the fighting is still going on in that southeastern city of mariupol, which means that russian forces have had to devote quite a bit of their troops in order to maintain the siege where as many of civilians are hold up and maybe many of soldiers. vladimir putin said he wasn't going to bomb that steel works, he was going to seal it tight so that even a fly couldn't get in, those are his words and instead they continue to attack that plant and that seems to be delaying things in this country. >> the united states, peter baker, has been changing its tone on this war. there's always been a lot of aid ash lot of sanctions. i know they've been trying to come up with any sanctions they can that can possibly hurt russia and limit their ability to keep funding this war. but in terms of rhetoric, just last week we saw the cia director talk about how vladimir putin might use a tactical nuclear weapon. that was an escalation in rhetoric for the administration. and now we're hearing from general lloyd auston, the defense secretary, former general, that the united states' goal is to permanently weaken russia. the change in rhetoric, is that being calculated behind the scenes by the administration? >> well, it was certainly an intentional message today. secretary auston seemed very intent, very eager to get this message out to the reporters who were traveling with him. it was conscious, it was not an offhand remark. he want us to think there was a shift in policy. up until now, there had been a reluctance to go to far. we didn't want to send migs to russia, we wanted to be careful not to escalate, not to get too much into putin's grill. we're looking for a longer term, sustained punishment for russia for his aggression here. we're saying we don't think they ought to be allowed to remain on the national stage as they've been. that might be a sign that the ukrainians are winning and effect a longer-term change on the global world but it will affect moscow. it will reenforce the propaganda where they say the americans are always out to get us and bring us down like they did at the end of the cold war. in some ways this plays into putin a putin's national rhetoric. >> the resources to fund this war, to fund all of the military equipment, the ammunition, the arms that we're giving ukraine, are those endless? it seems like every week there's another few billion -- or many million going toward it. >> well, at the moment they do feel to be kind of bottom less. there doesn't seem to be a concern that we're sending too much. polls suggest if anything most americans think we ought to be doing more. i think that's generally the view on capitol hill morning people in both parties. that may not last forever obviously. we're a country with a short-term deficit disorder. we don't look to pay attention for very long and there may come a time when the american political establishment says that's enough. but for the moment the checkbook is out and they're writing as many checks as ukraine can take. >> peter baker, thank you very much. and matt bradley who joined us from zaporizhzhia, i think i got it there, thank you very much. and joining me now is john herbst who served as ambassador to ukraine from 2003 to 2006, senior director at the eurasia center. joe biden has nominated an ambassador for ukraine and there's also talk about very shortly or in the near future reopening the embassy in kyiv. what message does that snd? >> this is just a return normal. point of fact, the administration is following the lead of our european partners who, a, visit ukraine and, b, send embassies back but better late than never. >> and this ambassador, how is she uniquely qualified for this job? >> briget's a great asset. she was our number two in georgia in difficult times six or eight years ago, she's been slovakia's ambassador since. she knows the region well. she's tough, she's smart. she's just what we need in kyiv. >> when you're looking at what's happening on the ground there and you're seeing that the ukrainians are putting up the fight that they'ring up, they're limiting russia's ability to continue raging this war, if you were giving advice back to washington on what to do, what would it be? >> the united states needs to be all in in defeating putin in ukraine. we've seen some clear steps in the right direction, the new package great two weeks ago but we still haven't agreed to send the big fighters and bombers to ukraine. we haven't agreed to send long-range drones to ukraine, things that ukraine will need to defeat the russian offensive in donbas. russia has a great advantage in tanks. we're not sending tanks. russia has a great advantage in tanks, airplanes and long-range rocket fire. we need to help ukraine in that advantage. and still ahead, a judge finds donald trump in contempt for confusing to cooperate with the new york attorney general's probe. what he'll have to do until he hands over documents. plus, what kevin mccarthy's leaked audiotapes might do to the trajectory of the january 6th investigation. and what trump chief of staff mark meadows was told right before the violence on capitol hill. also, a victory for nato and the eu. french president emmanuel macron wins reelection, but that's not the whole story. what is worrying western leaders about that election. at election. i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs, or if you plan to, or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ♪ talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. for people who are a little intense about hydration. neutrogena® hydro boost lightweight. fragrance-free. 48 hour hydration. for that healthy skin glow. neutrogena®. for people with skin. 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>> i would say a few things here. the fact that a white house starve who was formerly a secret service service agent officer told him that there could be violence is quite significant. now, adding to that, the white house chief of staff gets a lot of warnings about a lot of different things all the time. but the fact that this establishes that mark meadows knew that there was going to be a violent insurrection or a violent episode at the capitol and seemingly did not do much about it is important and this testimony came from one of thinks top aides, who was a constant presence by his side throughout his entire administration, cassidy hutchinson, who was a senior, senior aide to mark meadows. so significant in many respects. and on top of it, more than 2,000 text messages that are out are astounding, takes you inside the minds of marjory greene and others. >> are we going to be seeing more messages from meadows surrounding this event? what does the committee have that might be up their sleeve right now? >> well, think of it this way, katy. we only saw a sliver that came out. what i've been told by aides on the committee that most of their work product, if not all, that means testimony, everything they have, will become public. a lot of people sat for eight, six hours of depositions, met much of that, if not all of that is going to be made public in this report whenever it's released, whenever the january 6th committee releases its report and starts holding hearings. now, we are in april, right? time is running short. at the end of this year if republicans take the majority, this committee is likely going to be gone. it's certainly not going to be led by bennie thompson and liz cheney if it still is in existence so time is of the essence. think of it this way, mark meadows stopped producing to the committee. meaning these are 25 or 2,600 text messages that he already turned over. it's just a stunning amount of information. he is still withholding a thousand text messages. and if these are the tebs text messages he turned over and he's withholding a thousand, you have to wonder what are in the thousand text messages. >> joyce, what are you watching out for? >> i think jake tells us exactly what we're watching out for. there's this incredibly large accumulation of information and documents. the committee has information they can use to understand what happened on january 6th. one of the interesting pieces of information includes these warnings to medios by a secret service agent who had unusually taken a job on the political side in the white house that there might be violence. you and i have discussed that in the run-up to january 6th, was claim was they didn't have the information. the fbi called it an intelligence fail earlier and said they were unaware. this might shed a light on that but these little details tend to get lost in this kraushing mass of information. fortunately the staff of the january 6th committee is helmed by two u.s. attorneys, very capable and capable of telling stories. >> i was talking to a man at a rally in pennsylvania in the weeks leading up to the election and they were just completely convinced that the only way donald trump could lose was if the election was rigged. exactly what donald trump was saying. when i asked him what he would do about it, he said he would do anything to stop it and that included taking up arms. so those sorts of conversations, he said this on camera. that was out there in the months leading up to the election. so it is surprising to think that people were just taken aback by what happened on january 6th. what about those who have not sat in front of the committee but might have testified under oath somewhere else? i'm thinking of marjorie taylor greene. >> sure. so marjorie taylor greene's testimony last friday before the administrative law judge in georgia was certainly telling. let me say i don't think that it was perjury, this notion that she would be prosecuted in the georgia courts for perjury i don't think is what's going on here, but it's an important piece of testimony because it exposed the fact that for those of us who were the jury of public opinion as opposed to the jury in a legal proceeding, it's very clear when you watch that testimony with there's a lot of effort to be too cute by half to outsmart the questioner. so this repeated invocation of a bad memory when they're relatively recent tex messages provide some very interesting context for the committee to use as it tells this story to the american people. there's very little doubt that she had set herself up as an arbiter of information between what was going on in the caucus that she was newly a part of and the white house. there's a lot of interesting information yet to come to light there. >> i know, jake, over the weekend we talked about kevin mccarthy and whether or not these old voice recordings from the days after the -- the moments after the insurrection would harm him and the answer you gave was a pretty definitive no. so i'm going to leave that to the side. i want to ask you more about the committee's work. do we know more about how they're going to roll this out? we are up against a clock. i wonder if they're taking any lessons from the way the mueller report was rolled out and how to make their findings more compelling. >> i think they're going to do it in two waves. that's what i've been made to understand by people close to the committee. there's going to be an interim report and then a report a little bit down the line. joyce makes a really good point. what are we to make of all of this information? that's the big question and how does the committee -- how does the committee make it compelling and tell a story around it that's understandable. especially in this environment. it's important to remember, people's brains are poisoned with this idea that we are living a fraudulent presidency, which is obviously not true. and the committee probably can't change that, right? they can't got these people who believe that joe biden's not legitimate president to believe he is a legitimate president but what they can do is release this in tranches, in two different faces so that they can understand this and the public can kind of digest this in phases. by the way, just on the mccarthy point, i don't think this hurt him in his quest to be speaker, but i do think and i think this is an important point to make, i think there are a lot of people now who are looking at mccarthy, just conversations that i've had and wondering what else he's doing behind the scenes. i'm not suggesting anything nefarious. but when you say something publicly and you're doing something different privately, that raises questions in the eyes of your colleagues. this is somebody theoretically if republicans win the majority, he's going to be asking people, hey, let me lead you, i'm the most important is person, but if they have the majority, he's going to be the speaker, there is nobody else, and this does not appear based on the people that i'm talking to to be that cataclysmic moment. >> you might wonder can you trust this guy? 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>> reporter: it's really mixed. we were there underneath the eiffel tower when president macron won, so can you imagine the atmosphere there. and then we spoke to others who were more worried about the future of france. how are you feeling? >> i'm feeling good. >> i was disappointed. i really think she would win. >> it's going to be the same old mess getting worse and worse. >> i think it's good to listen to the people. because if he doesn't, le pen, the next one may win and it will be very dangerous for our country. >> reporter: what this election really has spotlighted is that polarization here in france, same way as in so many democracies around the world. in the end president macron won and, as they say to the spoils go the winner. but there are concerns that, for example, president macron looks a little bit like an island in a sea of turmoil. in five years' time what will the political picture be and will the far right gain more votes as they have been president election after presidential election. before the next election president macron has to address key issues for families and the fundamental issue about what to could about the war in ukraine. >> keir simmons, thank you with that enviable backdrop today. >> joining me is richard haas, president of the council on foreign relations and author of "the world, a brief introduction." i really do love that title. these elections in ukraine solidify that france will be a leader in europe, will remain in nato, will remain in the eu and will continue aligning themselves with the rest of us with the sanctions, at the very least, on vladimir putin. >> all true. and at the risk of agreeing with keir simmons, for whom i do have backdrop envy, i think he's got it exactly right. in the short term it's good. it allows nato, the west, to continue to be nato in the west but there are some real warning signs there. we'll see what happens in june at the time of the parliamentary elections. and if you add up the far left vote in the first round and the first right vote, you have a lot of france. i think there's a security between macron and le pen. it was a personal win. but i think a lot of the energy in france in ways that are very reminiscent of this country, most of the energy politically is on the far left and the far right. >> so there are a lot of very disgruntled people across the world, not just here at home, clearly in france as well, people who feel left behind, like they're the lowest priority. donald trump was able to seize that in this country. le pen is gaining by seizing some of that in that country. i was struck by 39 to 59-year-olds, her winning the majority of them in france. richard, it's not just these two countries. it's brexit in the u.k. there are a number of western-style democracies that are fighting these order of things threats from within. >> i think you've got it exactly right. that's why, again, i think too many of a sigh of relief is probably a mistake. to some extent the issues in france and the united states is immigration. there's economic and security inequality. i think macron represents a kind of elite, a certain establishment feeling. and what you sense, particularly with young are people, that was the most interesting statistic, that the future does not necessarily belong to macron, could be far left or far right. >> what does the west do for ukraine now that macron has been reelected? >> more of the same and plus. you continue to funnel equipment and funnel money to help the refugees, to boost ukraine's economy. you've got to continue to make sure nato is robust and then we have to see how this battle plays out. and we've got to at a minimum ensure that russia does not accomplish a clear victory. but i think there could also be questions down the road, katie, if ukraine starts doing well. and what then do we advise -- what does a desperate putin do? you have secretary of defense lloyd auston say our goal is to weaken russia. you had the secretary of state talk about how putin's time is likely to be shorter than ukraine's time. none of these comments necessarily, shall we say, bring out anything remotely responsible in mr. putin. >> so in your latest in foreign affairs, you're asking the west to define what success in ukraine would look like. what do western leaders have to consider? >> we haven't done it, which is so interesting. here we are two months into war and i can't find a definition of it. is it, for example, to bring things back to where they were two months ago, to the february two lines? is it to undo what happened eight years ago with crimea and the donbas at all? is it to push -- essentially to push russia out? is it some kind of a cease-fire regardless of where the troops are on the ground? i think we need to have that conversation. we don't want to have to make that kind of a decision on the fly. we don't want divisions to open up within nato. we don't want divisions to open up between ukraine and ourselves. i would hope that when secretary blinken and auston were in ukraine, i hope at least some. conversation was not simply about military help but some of it was about what are going to be our requirements for war termination. >> well, you would hope. let's see if they actually had that conversation. do you have think that president biden will be the next to go to kyiv? >> it's a symbolic thing if he does. i don't think it changes the fundamentals. he has put the united states squarely behind the government there. he's put the united states squarely with its 29 other nato partners. if he shows up, it's a way to photo-op, it captures it but i don't think it changes the fundamentals, the direction of u.s. foreign policy in terms of support for ukraine. it's clear. >> i'm curious. the administration and officials have said they don't want to -- they don't want to go over this red line, which no one's ever really defined, they don't want to provoke russia into action or to expanding its war but we are ratcheting up the rhetoric, as you mentioned a moment ago. i wonder at what point the rhetoric and the sanctions and the funneling of arms to ukraine becomes come miss rate with boots on the ground? >> with the arms we're sending them, i think this will hold their own. where i thought you were going with the question what happens if the tide of battle turns into ukraine's direction? how might we react to that? i'm thinking about what would happen if just the opposite were to occur that, russia gains the initiative? what happens if ukraine gains the initiative? each in their own way is quite a tricky diplomatic military foreign policy challenge. >> richard haas, always good to see you. thank you joining us, my friend. >> thank you. >> coming up fires in nebraska. and will a staten island amazon warehouse become the second in the country to unionize? when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. only eggland's best. it's still the eat fresh refresh™ and subway's refreshing everything like the new honey mustard rotisserie-style chicken. it's sweet, it's tangy, it's tender, it never misses. you could say it's the steph curry of footlongs. you could, but i'm not gonna. subway keeps refreshing and refreshing and re... every year we try to exercise more, to be more social, to just relax. and eating healthy every single meal? 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"the new york times" reports twitter's board was in talk with musk about his $43 billion offer. the question is what changed. joining me is wall street journal tech reporter ted higgins. he has spent years writing extensively about elon musk including in his book "power play, tesla, elon musk and the bet of the century." any expectation about what changed? >> he came with more money. the initial offer was about him figuring out. there was question if he could come to the table with the funds needed. he may be the world's riches man but in a lot of ways, he's a cash poor billionaire. that money is tied up in tesla and spacex. the twitter board was saying show us how you could do this. and he did that last week and the situation has changed. >> they had a poison pill in there the other day. that would seem to suggest it wasn't just about money. >> well, the poison pill in some ways slows the process down. it prohibit somebody like him to go in the market and buy up shares, allow a board to sweeten the deal or have issues addressed. the poison pill did get him to the act, did get him to the fable. the question will be ultimately what are all the terms and that's what we'll be looking for in maybe the hours to come. >> so if this deal does go through today, what sort of changes do you expect elon musk to make as soon as he is able to and how hands on do you think he'll be with this company? >> oh, i think he'll be incredibly hands on if history is any guide. when he was at tesla, at spacex, these are companies that he's deeply into the weeds on engineering issues, on issues that are of most important urgency for those companies and with twitter, it's very clear that he has a lot of ideas and a lot of opinions about how that company should operate. we've seen some of those ideas on twitter from him and one of the biggest things here seems to be his idea of moving away from an ad-based model, less dependency on ads so that the country can focus more on free speech, less content moderation. as a private company, he wouldn't be at the whims of the daily stock changes over concerns about the future of the company. he could have cover to restructure twitter the way he think it is could operate. >> is he positive there will be enough people out there to make money that will want to pay for that service? >> that's the big question. right now the company makes most of its money from ad sales. and they might be making a gamble with a free willing conversation on twitter, the ad dollars will still chase those users' eyeballs. the question will be, you know, can he make it cool, can he continue to keep twitter be the place that people want to go. if twitter's audience falls off, he's got a big problem, not on for the business but his personal brand for tess will. these things have depended upon his use of twitter to reach millions and millions of people around the world. >> you can always go to facebook if all else fails. tim, thank you very much. here are some other top stories we're following right now. authorities in nebraska say wind-driven wildfires killed a retired fire chief and injured at least 15 firefighters. more than 78 square miles of land have been burned in that state so far. and the same thing is happening in new mexico where wildfires are triggering emergency alerts. officials say the calf canyon and hermit peak fire merged. >> and the faa is investigating a plane that spiralled out of control during a swap stunt. the two planes were trying to make history and switch planes mid air. one pilot had to deploy his parachute. he did land safely in a remote area. and the new york yankees increased security a day after its fans were criticized for bad behavior following a walkoff win at home. some people in the right field bleachers threw trash and beer cans at cleveland guardian players. one of the guardian players called yankee fans the worst fans on the universe. and is it the beginning of a new labor market? 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>> reporter: well, there has been a lot of excitement, nervousness and anticipation over the last several hours. throughout the day, employees who are coming in and out have been meeting and talking, taking bets on who will emerge victorious from this vote. there have been people driving through and honking to give support. and people eating, and socializing, kind of soak in this moment. this has been two years in the making, though it's coming on the heels of this historic moment a couple weeks ago. in 2020, former and current employees were starting to talk about their complaints and concerns about what was happening on the job during the height of the pandemic. those organic colleague conversations built into a movement that brought us to this point. now the question that's facing them and also facing amazon executives is, was that vote from the other week a fluke or is it representative of a new labor movement and of the future? take a look at the conversations we have had with workers here. >> i'm against it for right now, but i also want to see what's done this that building, as well, before i could see -- say like, yes, i support the union. i want to see what it can do for me, as well. >> well, i mean, i worked over at jfk and i know the conditions over there. and i know how they treat you. they think of us like robots and we're ex-pendable to them. like they can do whatever they want. but i've seen like a lot of my co-workers and friends being fired unjustly, like not being able to keep up with the rates. >> reporter: what makes this site really interesting and different from the first warehouse that unionized, many of the workers here are really young and it's part time for the most part. which means they're not spending as much time shoulder to shoulder. in some cases they don't know each other as well. so it presents a barrier to organizing. so while that poses a challenge, it means if they win here, they're going to take it as a sign that this is now going to be a pattern, that they will be able to unionize more amazon warehouses across the country in the months to come, katy. >> antonia, thank you very much. we have breaking news. we were talking about twitter. it is official, elon musk has bought twitter for approximately $44 billion. he's going to be paying each share of twitter $54.20. in a statement released by the company, mr. musk said, free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated. i want to make twitter better than ever with new features, making the algorithms open sourced to increase trust, defeating the spam bots, and authenticating all humans. twitter has tremendous potential. i look forward to working with the community of users. no word on whether he will take it to a subscription based model. we will see. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. that does it for me on this monday. it for me on this monday nothing like a weekend in the woods. it's a good choice all around, like screening for colon cancer... when caught in early stages it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive... and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers... even in early stages. early stages. yep. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. we're in. when it comes to pain medicine, less is more. aleve gives long-lasting freedom from pain, with fewer pills than tylenol. instead of taking pills every 4-6 hours, aleve works up to 12-hours so you can focus on what matters. aleve. less pills. more relief doesn't your family deserve the best? 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permanently moved below ground hoping to wait out the air assaults and russian offensive. and ukraine's defense has limited russia's effectiveness according to a british defense ministry report. despite a lack of resources and combat spot drained by the battle for mariupol, russia has made several small advances in the donbas. the united states is looking to bolster ukraine's defenses with more military aid. this comes on the heels of a secret visit to kyiv where secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary lloyd auston med with president volodymyr zelenskyy. it was after the meeting that auston add blinken spoke to reporters in poland and offered a major shift. >> we want to see russia weakened to the degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading ukraine. so it has already lost a lot of military capability and a lot of its troops, quite frankly. and we want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that capability. >> again, this is a major shift in tone for u.s. officials who are no longer simply supporting ukraine in its fight with russia but seeking to permanently weaken russia's military. joining me now is matt bradley from zaporizhzhia, ukraine and the "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst peter baker. guys, we have a lot to talk about. not only the defense secretary and the secretary of state visiting kyiv in secret, there's also going to be a new ambassador it looks like at least to ukraine. the reopening of the embassy and you had lloyd auston saying he wants to permanently weaken russia. at the same time, the war is still very much raging there. matt bradley, bring us up to speed with what's happening on the ground. >> yeah, well, katy, we just saw that blitz attacking for the most part military attacking a key thing there, railway stations and railway infrastructure. that's threatening because there's two u.s. cabinet officials who visited just over the weekend. they arrived in kyiv via rail. this seemed to be a signal both to the ukrainians that the russians can attack what is a very important infrastructure piece, which is the raiway system in ukraine. that has been used against civilians to the east of the country where i am in zaporizhzhia. and you're the first anchor to dare to pronounce zaporizhzhia and you did it very well and also bringing weapons, the much-needed weapons that volodymyr zelenskyy has been begging to be brought here to be used in the strikes. we're starting to see some signs, some very, very modest gains in the eastern part of the country. i got to tell you, katy, this much anticipated huge eastern offensive, it's been happening in terms mostly of shelling in near the line of control, in that war that ukraine has been fighting against russian-backed separatists ever since 2014 but there hasn't been much in terms of actual land fighting, actual seizure of land. so instead this huge eastern assault, this eastern offensive, it started with more of a whimper than a bang. one of the reasons for that is that the fighting is still going on in that southeastern city of mariupol, which means that russian forces have had to devote quite a bit of their troops in order to maintain the siege where as many of civilians are hold up and maybe many of soldiers. vladimir putin said he wasn't going to bomb that steel works, he was going to seal it tight so that even a fly couldn't get in, those are his words and instead they continue to attack that plant and that seems to be delaying things in this country. >> the united states, peter baker, has been changing its tone on this war. there's always been a lot of aid ash lot of sanctions. i know they've been trying to come up with any sanctions they can that can possibly hurt russia and limit their ability to keep funding this war. but in terms of rhetoric, just last week we saw the cia director talk about how vladimir putin might use a tactical nuclear weapon. that was an escalation in rhetoric for the administration. and now we're hearing from general lloyd auston, the defense secretary, former general, that the united states' goal is to permanently weaken russia. the change in rhetoric, is that being calculated behind the scenes by the administration? >> well, it was certainly an intentional message today. secretary auston seemed very intent, very eager to get this message out to the reporters who were traveling with him. it was conscious, it was not an offhand remark. he want us to think there was a shift in policy. up until now, there had been a reluctance to go to far. we didn't want to send migs to russia, we wanted to be careful not to escalate, not to get too much into putin's grill. we're looking for a longer term, sustained punishment for russia for his aggression here. we're saying we don't think they ought to be allowed to remain on the national stage as they've been. that might be a sign that the ukrainians are winning and effect a longer-term change on the global world but it will affect moscow. it will reenforce the propaganda where they say the americans are always out to get us and bring us down like they did at the end of the cold war. in some ways this plays into putin a putin's national rhetoric. >> the resources to fund this war, to fund all of the military equipment, the ammunition, the arms that we're giving ukraine, are those endless? it seems like every week there's another few billion -- or many million going toward it. >> well, at the moment they do feel to be kind of bottom less. there doesn't seem to be a concern that we're sending too much. polls suggest if anything most americans think we ought to be doing more. i think that's generally the view on capitol hill morning people in both parties. that may not last forever obviously. we're a country with a short-term deficit disorder. we don't look to pay attention for very long and there may come a time when the american political establishment says that's enough. but for the moment the checkbook is out and they're writing as many checks as ukraine can take. >> peter baker, thank you very much. and matt bradley who joined us from zaporizhzhia, i think i got it there, thank you very much. and joining me now is john herbst who served as ambassador to ukraine from 2003 to 2006, senior director at the eurasia center. joe biden has nominated an ambassador for ukraine and there's also talk about very shortly or in the near future reopening the embassy in kyiv. what message does that snd? >> this is just a return normal. point of fact, the administration is following the lead of our european partners who, a, visit ukraine and, b, send embassies back but better late than never. >> and this ambassador, how is she uniquely qualified for this job? >> briget's a great asset. she was our number two in georgia in difficult times six or eight years ago, she's been slovakia's ambassador since. she knows the region well. she's tough, she's smart. she's just what we need in kyiv. >> when you're looking at what's happening on the ground there and you're seeing that the ukrainians are putting up the fight that they'ring up, they're limiting russia's ability to continue raging this war, if you were giving advice back to washington on what to do, what would it be? >> the united states needs to be all in in defeating putin in ukraine. we've seen some clear steps in the right direction, the new package great two weeks ago but we still haven't agreed to send the big fighters and bombers to ukraine. we haven't agreed to send long-range drones to ukraine, things that ukraine will need to defeat the russian offensive in donbas. russia has a great advantage in tanks. we're not sending tanks. russia has a great advantage in tanks, airplanes and long-range rocket fire. we need to help ukraine in that advantage. and still ahead, a judge finds donald trump in contempt for confusing to cooperate with the new york attorney general's probe. what he'll have to do until he hands over documents. plus, what kevin mccarthy's leaked audiotapes might do to the trajectory of the january 6th investigation. and what trump chief of staff mark meadows was told right before the violence on capitol hill. also, a victory for nato and the eu. french president emmanuel macron wins reelection, but that's not the whole story. what is worrying western leaders about that election. at election. i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs, or if you plan to, or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ♪ talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. for people who are a little intense about hydration. neutrogena® hydro boost lightweight. fragrance-free. 48 hour hydration. for that healthy skin glow. neutrogena®. for people with skin. 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>> i would say a few things here. the fact that a white house starve who was formerly a secret service service agent officer told him that there could be violence is quite significant. now, adding to that, the white house chief of staff gets a lot of warnings about a lot of different things all the time. but the fact that this establishes that mark meadows knew that there was going to be a violent insurrection or a violent episode at the capitol and seemingly did not do much about it is important and this testimony came from one of thinks top aides, who was a constant presence by his side throughout his entire administration, cassidy hutchinson, who was a senior, senior aide to mark meadows. so significant in many respects. and on top of it, more than 2,000 text messages that are out are astounding, takes you inside the minds of marjory greene and others. >> are we going to be seeing more messages from meadows surrounding this event? what does the committee have that might be up their sleeve right now? >> well, think of it this way, katy. we only saw a sliver that came out. what i've been told by aides on the committee that most of their work product, if not all, that means testimony, everything they have, will become public. a lot of people sat for eight, six hours of depositions, met much of that, if not all of that is going to be made public in this report whenever it's released, whenever the january 6th committee releases its report and starts holding hearings. now, we are in april, right? time is running short. at the end of this year if republicans take the majority, this committee is likely going to be gone. it's certainly not going to be led by bennie thompson and liz cheney if it still is in existence so time is of the essence. think of it this way, mark meadows stopped producing to the committee. meaning these are 25 or 2,600 text messages that he already turned over. it's just a stunning amount of information. he is still withholding a thousand text messages. and if these are the tebs text messages he turned over and he's withholding a thousand, you have to wonder what are in the thousand text messages. >> joyce, what are you watching out for? >> i think jake tells us exactly what we're watching out for. there's this incredibly large accumulation of information and documents. the committee has information they can use to understand what happened on january 6th. one of the interesting pieces of information includes these warnings to medios by a secret service agent who had unusually taken a job on the political side in the white house that there might be violence. you and i have discussed that in the run-up to january 6th, was claim was they didn't have the information. the fbi called it an intelligence fail earlier and said they were unaware. this might shed a light on that but these little details tend to get lost in this kraushing mass of information. fortunately the staff of the january 6th committee is helmed by two u.s. attorneys, very capable and capable of telling stories. >> i was talking to a man at a rally in pennsylvania in the weeks leading up to the election and they were just completely convinced that the only way donald trump could lose was if the election was rigged. exactly what donald trump was saying. when i asked him what he would do about it, he said he would do anything to stop it and that included taking up arms. so those sorts of conversations, he said this on camera. that was out there in the months leading up to the election. so it is surprising to think that people were just taken aback by what happened on january 6th. what about those who have not sat in front of the committee but might have testified under oath somewhere else? i'm thinking of marjorie taylor greene. >> sure. so marjorie taylor greene's testimony last friday before the administrative law judge in georgia was certainly telling. let me say i don't think that it was perjury, this notion that she would be prosecuted in the georgia courts for perjury i don't think is what's going on here, but it's an important piece of testimony because it exposed the fact that for those of us who were the jury of public opinion as opposed to the jury in a legal proceeding, it's very clear when you watch that testimony with there's a lot of effort to be too cute by half to outsmart the questioner. so this repeated invocation of a bad memory when they're relatively recent tex messages provide some very interesting context for the committee to use as it tells this story to the american people. there's very little doubt that she had set herself up as an arbiter of information between what was going on in the caucus that she was newly a part of and the white house. there's a lot of interesting information yet to come to light there. >> i know, jake, over the weekend we talked about kevin mccarthy and whether or not these old voice recordings from the days after the -- the moments after the insurrection would harm him and the answer you gave was a pretty definitive no. so i'm going to leave that to the side. i want to ask you more about the committee's work. do we know more about how they're going to roll this out? we are up against a clock. i wonder if they're taking any lessons from the way the mueller report was rolled out and how to make their findings more compelling. >> i think they're going to do it in two waves. that's what i've been made to understand by people close to the committee. there's going to be an interim report and then a report a little bit down the line. joyce makes a really good point. what are we to make of all of this information? that's the big question and how does the committee -- how does the committee make it compelling and tell a story around it that's understandable. especially in this environment. it's important to remember, people's brains are poisoned with this idea that we are living a fraudulent presidency, which is obviously not true. and the committee probably can't change that, right? they can't got these people who believe that joe biden's not legitimate president to believe he is a legitimate president but what they can do is release this in tranches, in two different faces so that they can understand this and the public can kind of digest this in phases. by the way, just on the mccarthy point, i don't think this hurt him in his quest to be speaker, but i do think and i think this is an important point to make, i think there are a lot of people now who are looking at mccarthy, just conversations that i've had and wondering what else he's doing behind the scenes. i'm not suggesting anything nefarious. but when you say something publicly and you're doing something different privately, that raises questions in the eyes of your colleagues. this is somebody theoretically if republicans win the majority, he's going to be asking people, hey, let me lead you, i'm the most important is person, but if they have the majority, he's going to be the speaker, there is nobody else, and this does not appear based on the people that i'm talking to to be that cataclysmic moment. >> you might wonder can you trust this guy? 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>> reporter: it's really mixed. we were there underneath the eiffel tower when president macron won, so can you imagine the atmosphere there. and then we spoke to others who were more worried about the future of france. how are you feeling? >> i'm feeling good. >> i was disappointed. i really think she would win. >> it's going to be the same old mess getting worse and worse. >> i think it's good to listen to the people. because if he doesn't, le pen, the next one may win and it will be very dangerous for our country. >> reporter: what this election really has spotlighted is that polarization here in france, same way as in so many democracies around the world. in the end president macron won and, as they say to the spoils go the winner. but there are concerns that, for example, president macron looks a little bit like an island in a sea of turmoil. in five years' time what will the political picture be and will the far right gain more votes as they have been president election after presidential election. before the next election president macron has to address key issues for families and the fundamental issue about what to could about the war in ukraine. >> keir simmons, thank you with that enviable backdrop today. >> joining me is richard haas, president of the council on foreign relations and author of "the world, a brief introduction." i really do love that title. these elections in ukraine solidify that france will be a leader in europe, will remain in nato, will remain in the eu and will continue aligning themselves with the rest of us with the sanctions, at the very least, on vladimir putin. >> all true. and at the risk of agreeing with keir simmons, for whom i do have backdrop envy, i think he's got it exactly right. in the short term it's good. it allows nato, the west, to continue to be nato in the west but there are some real warning signs there. we'll see what happens in june at the time of the parliamentary elections. and if you add up the far left vote in the first round and the first right vote, you have a lot of france. i think there's a security between macron and le pen. it was a personal win. but i think a lot of the energy in france in ways that are very reminiscent of this country, most of the energy politically is on the far left and the far right. >> so there are a lot of very disgruntled people across the world, not just here at home, clearly in france as well, people who feel left behind, like they're the lowest priority. donald trump was able to seize that in this country. le pen is gaining by seizing some of that in that country. i was struck by 39 to 59-year-olds, her winning the majority of them in france. richard, it's not just these two countries. it's brexit in the u.k. there are a number of western-style democracies that are fighting these order of things threats from within. >> i think you've got it exactly right. that's why, again, i think too many of a sigh of relief is probably a mistake. to some extent the issues in france and the united states is immigration. there's economic and security inequality. i think macron represents a kind of elite, a certain establishment feeling. and what you sense, particularly with young are people, that was the most interesting statistic, that the future does not necessarily belong to macron, could be far left or far right. >> what does the west do for ukraine now that macron has been reelected? >> more of the same and plus. you continue to funnel equipment and funnel money to help the refugees, to boost ukraine's economy. you've got to continue to make sure nato is robust and then we have to see how this battle plays out. and we've got to at a minimum ensure that russia does not accomplish a clear victory. but i think there could also be questions down the road, katie, if ukraine starts doing well. and what then do we advise -- what does a desperate putin do? you have secretary of defense lloyd auston say our goal is to weaken russia. you had the secretary of state talk about how putin's time is likely to be shorter than ukraine's time. none of these comments necessarily, shall we say, bring out anything remotely responsible in mr. putin. >> so in your latest in foreign affairs, you're asking the west to define what success in ukraine would look like. what do western leaders have to consider? >> we haven't done it, which is so interesting. here we are two months into war and i can't find a definition of it. is it, for example, to bring things back to where they were two months ago, to the february two lines? is it to undo what happened eight years ago with crimea and the donbas at all? is it to push -- essentially to push russia out? is it some kind of a cease-fire regardless of where the troops are on the ground? i think we need to have that conversation. we don't want to have to make that kind of a decision on the fly. we don't want divisions to open up within nato. we don't want divisions to open up between ukraine and ourselves. i would hope that when secretary blinken and auston were in ukraine, i hope at least some. conversation was not simply about military help but some of it was about what are going to be our requirements for war termination. >> well, you would hope. let's see if they actually had that conversation. do you have think that president biden will be the next to go to kyiv? >> it's a symbolic thing if he does. i don't think it changes the fundamentals. he has put the united states squarely behind the government there. he's put the united states squarely with its 29 other nato partners. if he shows up, it's a way to photo-op, it captures it but i don't think it changes the fundamentals, the direction of u.s. foreign policy in terms of support for ukraine. it's clear. >> i'm curious. the administration and officials have said they don't want to -- they don't want to go over this red line, which no one's ever really defined, they don't want to provoke russia into action or to expanding its war but we are ratcheting up the rhetoric, as you mentioned a moment ago. i wonder at what point the rhetoric and the sanctions and the funneling of arms to ukraine becomes come miss rate with boots on the ground? 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"the new york times" reports twitter's board was in talk with musk about his $43 billion offer. the question is what changed. joining me is wall street journal tech reporter ted higgins. he has spent years writing extensively about elon musk including in his book "power play, tesla, elon musk and the bet of the century." any expectation about what changed? >> he came with more money. the initial offer was about him figuring out. there was question if he could come to the table with the funds needed. he may be the world's riches man but in a lot of ways, he's a cash poor billionaire. that money is tied up in tesla and spacex. the twitter board was saying show us how you could do this. and he did that last week and the situation has changed. >> they had a poison pill in there the other day. that would seem to suggest it wasn't just about money. >> well, the poison pill in some ways slows the process down. it prohibit somebody like him to go in the market and buy up shares, allow a board to sweeten the deal or have issues addressed. the poison pill did get him to the act, did get him to the fable. the question will be ultimately what are all the terms and that's what we'll be looking for in maybe the hours to come. >> so if this deal does go through today, what sort of changes do you expect elon musk to make as soon as he is able to and how hands on do you think he'll be with this company? >> oh, i think he'll be incredibly hands on if history is any guide. when he was at tesla, at spacex, these are companies that he's deeply into the weeds on engineering issues, on issues that are of most important urgency for those companies and with twitter, it's very clear that he has a lot of ideas and a lot of opinions about how that company should operate. we've seen some of those ideas on twitter from him and one of the biggest things here seems to be his idea of moving away from an ad-based model, less dependency on ads so that the country can focus more on free speech, less content moderation. as a private company, he wouldn't be at the whims of the daily stock changes over concerns about the future of the company. he could have cover to restructure twitter the way he think it is could operate. >> is he positive there will be enough people out there to make money that will want to pay for that service? >> that's the big question. right now the company makes most of its money from ad sales. and they might be making a gamble with a free willing conversation on twitter, the ad dollars will still chase those users' eyeballs. the question will be, you know, can he make it cool, can he continue to keep twitter be the place that people want to go. if twitter's audience falls off, he's got a big problem, not on for the business but his personal brand for tess will. these things have depended upon his use of twitter to reach millions and millions of people around the world. >> you can always go to facebook if all else fails. tim, thank you very much. here are some other top stories we're following right now. authorities in nebraska say wind-driven wildfires killed a retired fire chief and injured at least 15 firefighters. more than 78 square miles of land have been burned in that state so far. and the same thing is happening in new mexico where wildfires are triggering emergency alerts. officials say the calf canyon and hermit peak fire merged. >> and the faa is investigating a plane that spiralled out of control during a swap stunt. the two planes were trying to make history and switch planes mid air. one pilot had to deploy his parachute. he did land safely in a remote area. and the new york yankees increased security a day after its fans were criticized for bad behavior following a walkoff win at home. some people in the right field bleachers threw trash and beer cans at cleveland guardian players. one of the guardian players called yankee fans the worst fans on the universe. and is it the beginning of a new labor market? 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>> reporter: well, there has been a lot of excitement, nervousness and anticipation over the last several hours. throughout the day, employees who are coming in and out have been meeting and talking, taking bets on who will emerge victorious from this vote. there have been people driving through and honking to give support. and people eating, and socializing, kind of soak in this moment. this has been two years in the making, though it's coming on the heels of this historic moment a couple weeks ago. in 2020, former and current employees were starting to talk about their complaints and concerns about what was happening on the job during the height of the pandemic. those organic colleague conversations built into a movement that brought us to this point. now the question that's facing them and also facing amazon executives is, was that vote from the other week a fluke or is it representative of a new labor movement and of the future? take a look at the conversations we have had with workers here. >> i'm against it for right now, but i also want to see what's done this that building, as well, before i could see -- say like, yes, i support the union. i want to see what it can do for me, as well. >> well, i mean, i worked over at jfk and i know the conditions over there. and i know how they treat you. they think of us like robots and we're ex-pendable to them. like they can do whatever they want. but i've seen like a lot of my co-workers and friends being fired unjustly, like not being able to keep up with the rates. >> reporter: what makes this site really interesting and different from the first warehouse that unionized, many of the workers here are really young and it's part time for the most part. which means they're not spending as much time shoulder to shoulder. in some cases they don't know each other as well. so it presents a barrier to organizing. so while that poses a challenge, it means if they win here, they're going to take it as a sign that this is now going to be a pattern, that they will be able to unionize more amazon warehouses across the country in the months to come, katy. >> antonia, thank you very much. we have breaking news. we were talking about twitter. it is official, elon musk has bought twitter for approximately $44 billion. he's going to be paying each share of twitter $54.20. in a statement released by the company, mr. musk said, free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated. i want to make twitter better than ever with new features, making the algorithms open sourced to increase trust, defeating the spam bots, and authenticating all humans. twitter has tremendous potential. i look forward to working with the community of users. no word on whether he will take it to a subscription based model. we will see. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. that does it for me on this monday. it for me on this monday nothing like a weekend in the woods. it's a good choice all around, like screening for colon cancer... when caught in early stages it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive... and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers... even in early stages. early stages. yep. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. we're in. when it comes to pain medicine, less is more. aleve gives long-lasting freedom from pain, with fewer pills than tylenol. instead of taking pills every 4-6 hours, aleve works up to 12-hours so you can focus on what matters. aleve. less pills. more relief doesn't your family deserve the best? 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