stories we are following. as the invasion of ukraine enters day 49, vladimir putin says peace talks are at a dead end. today, he promised the war he launched will continue. president biden now calling the unprovoked conflict genocide. we will explain this significance of that just ahead. our other big story tonight is the mass shooting that took place this morning on a new york city subway train packed with commuters. ten people were shot. at least 13 more injured. incredibly, no one was killed. the shooting took place at the height of the morning rush hour. witnesses say a man wearing a gas mask set off smoke grenades inside the subway car and then he opened fire. and tonight, the city's police commissioner described was found after the shooting. >> as detectives process the crime scene, they recovered a nine millimeter semiautomatic handgun, extended magazines, and a hatchet. also found is what we believe to be gasoline and a bag containing consumer grade fireworks and hubby fuse. >> this is a picture of that bag of fireworks the police commissioner just mentioned. this afternoon, detectives located u-haul van but they believe is connected to a person of interest. today, the search is underway for that man. 62 year old frank james. the surveillance caught the attention of president biden as well who just yesterday announced new steps to try to curb gun violence. >> my wife and i are praying for all those who are injured and all those touched by that trauma. we are grateful for all the first responders who jumped into action, including civilians. civilians who did not hesitate to help a troubled passenger. >> and if it seems like there's been a lot of gun violence lately? you are right. mass shootings are on the rise here in the united states, according to the data compiled by the gun violence archive, there have already been at least 131 mass shootings this year so far. that is about one day. so let's bring in nbc's ron allen, he is live at the scene in brooklyn. ron, let's start with this man. this person of interest, but we know about him? >> well, we know that he has ties to philadelphia and wisconsin, according to the police. we believe that he rented this u-haul van in philadelphia and drove here. it was found a few miles away from the attack. the police say that he was sitting on the railway, in a subway car, in the rare corner, wearing a helmet. this construction workers vest, and at some point, he put on a gas mask, set off the smoke bombs and opened fire. and he got off some 33 rounds. it's a miracle that no one was killed in these close quarters. then, how he escape from there is unclear. he's been on the run ever since. we don't know why he did this, but clearly, he seemed to have something very, very sinister in mind based on what he was carrying in that bag. he was on a train that was headed from here in brooklyn, on into new york city. and whether that was the final destination or whether this was the destination, it is unclear. but it seems like he was planning to do more than just set off a smoke bomb in a neighborhood in brooklyn when manhattan is just ahead. we also see some youtube videos on youtube, rents, laced with profanity on occasion, with all sorts of companies that he has about society and will generally. some are about the mayor of new york, so much so that they have increased security around eric adams to night because of that. but at this hour, the search continues. it's so much of a surprise that they have not found and because things move very quickly. the key was finding keys to that u-haul van amongst the material that the gunman, the suspect, left on the train for whatever reason. that's led the police to this van, and to the suspect. the pictures that we've seen of him, and the search continues. >> ron, stay close. if there are any developments, please, please come back to us. with that, let's bring in our experts this evening. clint watts, west point graduate, army veteran, former fbi special agent, and a distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute. frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence. frank, the police call frank james, this guy, a person of interest. what does that missing piece of information that would make him an actual suspect? >> well, it sounds like there is extreme caution tonight, stephanie. you don't want to ruin somebody and the reputation, you don't want someone in the public to act out violently against somebody if indeed they are innocent. so we know he rented this vehicle, but we don't know for sure that he actually was the shooter yet. what's the gap here? smoke, confusion, chaos, nobody able to say yes, indeed, that is the guy. it depends on long force meant to say, we have the guy, we just can't find him yet. so person of interest is the right way to go all around here. you could theoretically be someone who rented this banner this vehicle, had stolen from them. it could be someone who unwittingly, unknowingly, was involved in this. or could be the shooter. they're being very careful about this right now. and, let's understand something, the entire nation is looking for this guy. u.s. marshals, police officers, fbi. it's only a matter of time before this person of interest is found. and whether he turns into the suspect. >> clint, watched it out to you about this attack and the specific target of rush hour subway car in brooklyn? what's interesting, stephanie, it's all sorts of things that are common with potentially a terrorist attack but that don't make sense once you start to get more details. for example, this is obviously rush, our subway car, we've seen that in attacks in london, madrid, other transitions throughout history. for the same point, this individual went, in donned a mask, blue smoke, and did actually kill anyone, he wounded people, it's a tragic event. but it seemed to just have been firing sporadically. it doesn't seem to be any pattern to the targets. usually when there is some sort of what political motivation around terrorism, or if it's a criminal act, there's a logic around who the targets are. here, whoever this person is, it seems to have just picked a car at random and started shooting. that's also quite strange. i think another bigger piece of this is we don't see any sort of manifesto, if it is tied to this individual, there's lots of strange social media posts. but they're not really indicative of anything that makes a whole lot of sense if you watch them. so putting all of this together, it is not what you would stereotypically see. if anything, it reminds me of that attack we saw in las vegas many years ago where, when you get to the end of the day, it doesn't really lineup very neatly in a criminal plot, nor does a tie into some sort of revenge shooting, or doesn't make any sense from the perspective of the terrorist attack. >> frank, there are surveillance cameras were not working. how damaging is that to the investigation? >> it's not helpful. clint and i are both worked cases, too frequently, where the cameras simply malfunction or don't work. the good news is that there is redundancy in the system in new york city. they are tracking before the attack, this person wearing a safety vest, a neon hard had. they will be finding that person if you wore that right up to the attack. and afterwards, even if he discarded it, they should see it in subsequent stops, streets, store front, cameras, they will see. it it will have an imagery record of this guy doing this. and, boy, stephanie, do we have a forensic package here for prosecutors. you bet. the gun left behind, the gas mask, the gas canisters left behind? a plethora of evidence for prosecutors to tear into, dna, fingerprints, all potentially latent, left on that evidence. it really raises the question whether this was a larger attack interrupted. why this train, why then, why couldn't he have his manhattan, why did he discard everything? this hopefully will become clear once he's interviewed and has a chance to explain. >> but was it a territory? the nypd says it will not called it an act of terror, but the mare? he has no problem saying it. watch this. >> anytime you have a person that uses a smoke device, and you have a person that just charges a weapon in the system, that appeared to have placed a gas mask on his face, that is a person that is intentionally trying to terrorize our system. >> clint, do you agree in the act of terrorism? >> no, it's probably not going to line up with an act of terrorism. terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence in pursuit of political change. usually, it's in support of a political, social, or religious ideology. it doesn't seem to correspond to that. now there could be evidence that we just don't know about at this time. i think that's why you heard both john miller earlier with the nypd and some of the folks that were on the scene sort of rule it out initially and then have to walk that language back. terrorizing people, yes, but an act of terrorism, on this to some sort of connection, whether this will be attempted murder, and let's hope that nobody dies because that would be murder charges, it has to be connected to some sort of broader political objective. i don't think we will see that. if we do find out, by the, way that it is time to some of these videos that we have seen online, i think when you watch any of those videos, you will find what looks to be a pattern of just someone who might be meddling disturbed. it's quite concerning when you look at it. well so it's gotta be narrowed down, and they have to prove that this individual, this person of interest, if this is who they think, it is they're gonna take down that they were actually there. in terms of the legal code, i don't think it's going to be that. >> every time we see one of these terrible attacks, frank, we say, we have to do something about gun control. this attack, one day after the president took steps to track down on ghost guns. he also named a nominee to lead the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms. do you think the president is doing will make a difference? >> i think the larger question is, why is it left to a president to redefine firearms and winnable around the periphery of the gun problem because congress isn't acting on it? they could do some very simple things about closing the gun show loophole by doing background checks. -- those two bills have been pending forever. the president did what he could do within his authority by trying to regulate and redefine a guns to address ghost guns. the atf hasn't had a director for something like seven years. because we cannot seem to get politicians to agree on what a nominee should look like over a gun enforcement. yes, getting a hold of ghost guns is important because the manufacture of it is really manufacturing a firearm, whether it's parts, pieces, components, triggers, if you buy those parts and a kit, you are buying a firearm. it has to be stumped with a serial number. you need to have a background investigation, look, we are talking about this terrible event today. good news, it was a branded glock nine millimeter pistol. it is going to have multiple stamps, serial numbers on it, they can trace it to where it was purchased. that is helpful, that is why we need serial numbers on guns but even greater, we need federal legislation to address this. new york has type, strict was gun laws. the magazines found at the scene of extended capacity, are legal in the state of new york. why aren't they illegal? everywhere >> curbing gun violence is not political, it should be about safety. clint watts, frank figliuzzi, thank you very much. stay close just in case we get breaking news out of brooklyn. let's bring in sarah feinberg, she's the former president of the new york city transit authority. she is also a former senior obama administration official. one of the rules she's had, federal railroad administrator. sarah, i'm so glad you are here, i have questions for you. up until just a few months ago, you were in charge of our subways. >> yes. >> right, now people are putrefied to get back on the train. would you ride the subway tomorrow? >> what yeah. i rode the subway here tonight, and i take my daughter on the subway every day to go to school because even on the darkest day and the scariest day, the new york city subway system is still the safest and most efficient way to get around the city. >> earlier today, the current head of the transit agency praised the crew who quickly pulled the other train out of the station amid all of that chaos. are the teams trained for something like this? >> the trains that new york city transit are the most professional, most highly trained workforce in this country. every day that i was president of the new york city transit, it was such an honor to work with them. so, they are quick, they are professional, they know exactly what they are doing, and they did exactly what they were supposed to do today, which is they saw the chaos on the platform and the pull the train out, they got a lot of people to safety. >> there are so many questions right now about surveillance cameras in the station and why they were not working. does every station have them and who is responsible for making sure that they work? it seems like whenever you need them, they are broken. >> yeah, they are now cameras in every single station in the system. which is huge, there's 472 stations in the new york city transit system, which is the largest number of stations in the world for a system. when i became president of new york city transit a little more than two years ago, i think 30, 35% of stations had. we absolutely said, we are gonna get cameras in every single station by the end of 2021. and kudos to new york city transit, they did it by september of 2021. are there enough cameras? i think that are not enough cameras yet. i would like them to be on every single platform. >> how many of them are working? when they, count it seems like there. not >> i don't know why the details of the specific stations cameras were not working. my thought is that the cameras were working, but the feed was down. we will find out tomorrow. they will have more to say because i'm sure they're looking at that. my guess is that the cameras were working and feet was down. there are old cameras, and there are newcomers. their existing cameras in the system, 30 35% of stations had. them old, harden cameras. good feedback to nypd, and feedback to mta. in recent months, we were putting new cameras in the system. smaller, less expensive, more agile, good -- we know one event has, happen you go to the camera, you public, are done with the footage. every, day the nypd is putting photos of folks they are looking for, they want tips on. those crimes do not have it in the subway stations. they have been outside and then people come down in the subway stations, and our cameras capture them. we've been helping nypd for years because that's not that the camera system is. >> earlier today, mayor adam sounded open to possibly installing something like metal detectors or some other security technology that sounds good, people feel safer. but is that realistic? we have over 3 million rioters every weekday. >> i did not hear what the mayor said. my guess is that he is looking for new technologies that could improve safety, that's. great we should have that. metal detectors in the system is maybe a one-off we, but throughout the system, that is going to shut the system down and slow it down. we -- before the pandemic, we had 9 million rioters a day. 9 million people were using the system every day. it's gonna be hard to get back to the number, but you certainly won't get to that number if you're standing in line for metal detectors will be tough. >> how much does what happened today hurt the efforts to get back to that number? >> look, it's hard. but anytime there is a one-off attack, an active shooter, a terror incident in the united states, we always hear from our elected officials and from others, who are supposed to be protecting us, this is a one-off, generally you are safe. the same thing goes here. people are generally safe. this new york city system is the safest way to get around new york. my kids are in, it i would not put them in the car. i don't like them in cars. i feel safe in this subsystem. but, there is a difference between a system that is safe and a system that feels safe. and right, now the system does not feel safe. and it's not because of what happened today, it hasn't felt safe for a large groups of people, for quite a while now. for a couple of years. well, look, i think it's one thing to walk into the subway system as a man in your 30s or 40s, or 50s, and have the world as your oyster. i think it's another thing to walk into the subway system right now as a woman, as an elderly person, as someone who's vulnerable, as an asian american, and feel safe. that's a different feeling and it's not -- it doesn't feel good to large swaths of the population right now. and i think to the mayor's credit, and the governors, credit to the former governor's credit, they recognize that early, they are talking about it a lot, they are taking a lot of steps that they need to take to make sure that people feel safe. you love, here i live here. for your viewers who don't live, here the city does not work. if this system doesn't work. and it doesn't work if people are not using it because they don't feel safe. so we have a ways to. go >> so good to have you tonight, thank you so. much >> thanks. we >> coming, up russia warns the conflict that president biden now calls genocide is far from over. the latest on the horrific war in ukraine. and later, we had not seen prices rise this fastens olivia newton john was topping the charts. what is driving inflation work can be done to bring it down? 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>> it's great to hear about this package here, stephanie. but i will tell, you this package is vastly different than the packages that you've seen going to ukraine previously. these are all offensively designed weapons which the ukrainians will need if they are going to fight in the donbas. i noticed when i look through some of the items, the mi-17 transport helicopter, that's a russian helicopter, it's primarily used for transportation, but you can put a gun system on that to fight. that will be critical for them because now, they are in the same predicament as the russians when it comes to their extended logistical rinds. they will be able to get logistics, and take -- they can put troops in that particular helicopter to get them to the point they need. also saw drones that will be very helpful going against tanks. particularly the artillery pieces, as you know, the russians love to use artillery and missiles and so forth, those drones will be very helpful as well. so a good-looking package from what i can tell. >> ambassador, we mentioned it before, the president calling this genocide for the first time. why is that such a big deal? >> well, it's a big deal because, one, of course, a lot of damage is being done by the russians in the name of denazifying ukraine, and in some ways, the goal here is to get rid, of eliminates, a part of the ukrainian population, if not the ukrainian status such. for the president to call this genocide is serious, because it is a major escalation in the rhetoric that we've seen, but also enhances the need of the united states under our own laws to respond. as general tweed lee said, the kind of capabilities being sent to ukraine, the europeans are doing the same, providing tanks, providing anti aircraft missiles, providing how with sir and artillery, it's all designed to say, we cannot allow this man, this russia, this force that has inflicted such brutality, terror, really of the population of ukraine to succeed. we will do everything possibly military short of our getting involved directly momentarily to help the ukrainians to achieve that. that's an important step and it's not just the united states, its european countries doing the same thing. it's late in the sense of how quickly this equipment was being sent, but now it's being sent and hopefully that can make a major difference even for the fight in the donbas which is a war that has been going on for the past eight years. general, for weeks we have seen the city of mariupol get completely devastated. and now there are reports of a possible chemical attack there. i want to show what we heard from the u.s. secretary of state about this. >> we're not in a position to confirm anything. i don't think the ukrainians are either. we had credible information that russian forces may use a variety of riot control agents, including tear gas mixed with chemical agents that will cause stronger symptoms to weaken and then give us the date entrenched ukrainian fighters and civilians as part of the aggressive campaign to the mariupol. >> general, mariupol is not completely cut off, isolated by the russians. we have a really know what happened there? >> so, i think we will not know for quite some time. as you know, the russians have already started their major offenses in the east. and their intent is to take the donbas which includes luhansk and donetsk. and also, continue to push down to mariupol. if they connect the donbas the mariupol, then they have their land bridge. in my view, they will continue south. odessa will also be at play for them. so, it will be awhile before we can get some type of verification into mariupol. so we know what really happened. and, in addition, these operations are gonna take longer than putin's victory day that he determined to be victorious in this battle. so it'll be awhile before we ever know what happens in mariupol. i would tell you that, continue to watch this, because with the new general coming on board, they're gonna be more mariupol throughout ukraine. and so, this general is ruthless, he's gonna use chemical weapons, he's gonna rebel more cities than what we've seen. and so, standby for more of this. >> then you general, who was once nicknamed the butcher of syria, gentlemen thank you so much. general stuff to 80, an ambassador i will daalder, i appreciate daniels this evening. when we come back, prices are soaring to a four-year high, when can equal off? 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>> with a simple version of why things are gonna get better is, this isn't a common new covering from covid. the first effect that was a cause unemployment to skyrocket, that's come all the way back down. the next effects were that it turns economy upside down the causes low prices to rise. and as that comey re-normalize, does a lot of the things are going to return back to normal. so, there's a lot of one-off factors. we have been unlucky over the past year or so. but things like high gas prices, hopefully it is gonna start to fall in numbers. inflation remains high, but it probably won't be this bad. so, today may be as bad as it gets. >> mark, present by then is blaming putin for good reason. but momentum voters by the? >> it's tough, stephanie. we asked jimmy carter about his second term presidency. the problem is that when you're explaining you're losing in politics. and the second problem is that this is throwing a huge lead blanket over a lot of the other news, on a lot of it is good. but unfortunately, none of it is getting through. and by the way, it's not -- it's affecting everybody, and disproportionately democrats. i saw some black focus groups last week, doing the confirmation of the first female black supreme court justice, all they were talking about was inflation and rising prices. so everything is talking about it. it's getting everybody. and that's the problem. i'm not economist, here we just heard from the economist, but i will say that there are some upside here. there is news when you parse through this, part of the news is that when you take energy and food off the table, and granted that's a lot of the equation, but i take those off the table, prices actually decline 0.4%, which is all related to the relief of the covid problems which created the supply chain problems. so those things actually easing. there's some good news, and the question is, get enough of that get through, and get enough of that change the political outlook for democrats in november? >> but it's hard to take those things off the table when you look at the full picture. and the president is trying to do that, justin. gas prices, a huge part of inflation. and today he announced his plan did not use ethanol to lower prices. watch this. >> i'm here today because homegrown fuels have a role to play right now. right now. as we work to get prices under control and reduce the costs for families. >> can this make it dumped? >> a small dent but, the biggest ingredient and to gasoline is of course oil. oil prices are determining world markets, and they reflect a lot of what's happening in russia and ukraine. can you follow up on what mike said in that inflation is overshadowing what, in some cases, is a pretty optimistic story, which is right, now unemployment is 3.6%. within a month or two, it's likely we're gonna have the lowest unemployment rate in the united states in over 50 years. so, people can find jobs. they're paying at the supermarket is a real, but there are a lot easier to avoid those prices when you get a paycheck. >> a paycheck, but the problem is, all that wage growth we have been talking about over the last few years gets wiped out when you factor in the higher prices. >> yes, although a lot of us worry a lot about inflation at the moment because things like food and gas, the prices are rising the most. they're the biggest share of the consumption basket of low income people. on the flip side, to the extent that we're seeing a wage growth, it's actually been stronger among low income people. so, perhaps real wages, after inflation, are actually rising for those folks, even if they're not rising for folks higher up in the income distribution. >> president obama was speaking to our colleague al roker today about that good news and they're connery. watch this. >> inflation is a real issue. a lot of it is having to do with covid and supply chains, and now putin's gas tax essentially by virtue of his invasion of ukraine. but the underlying economy, there's a good story to tell. democrats have to go out there until the story. ultimately, they will decide on that thing. >> mike, this is what you do. you craft these stories. and how do you talk about those good things, because what they've done is help the rich, right? for people of white collar jobs, for people on their homes, and invest in their stock market, they've saved a lot, but they've made a lot. but those living to paycheck to paycheck, things only got worse. how do you tell that good story? >> well, i think justin made a great point which is that, when you talk about the job market and the job situation, the place that's improved doubles for low economic workers, and the reality is that most of them now can find jobs. most of them can find jobs that pay more than with they are making before. in many cases, a lot more than they were making before. i think we're at a point where the jobs are scarce. the wages are rising. and i think the other factors are bound to kick and, so it could equalize itself overtime. and the fact, is there is a great story to tell about jobs and wages. >> we are clearly in an economic recovery. it is a great job market, wages are up. they have to find a way quickly before we go, though mark. you know it gets people to vote. we talk all the time about a hugely important voting issues are. preserving our democracy, the most important issues. but when it comes time to it actually gets people to vote, as a things like gas prices and grocery prices? >> well, would guess the voters when they're pissed off. the reality is, the problem is that voters are mad that joe biden because they hold him responsible. and democrats, frankly, are feeling depressed, because they feel like their guy loved them down. he's a guy at the wheel, and it's happening under his watch. so, what you want in an election, why you should watch as the through the as an among voter groups. republicans are enthusiastic because they're mad, and democrats are depressed because they're sad. >> if people got to vote when they're pissed off, it's like we're going to have huge voter turnout in the next elections. justin wolf or, is mark mckinnon, thank you for joining us tonight. coming up, one republican governor says he wants -- wow, he wants the state to be the most pro-life state and the country. is that we're going to see across the entire nation as the supreme court gets ready to decide on roe when the 11th hour continues. n roe when the 11t hour continues hour continues ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ my sister's managing a lot, ♪♪ including her type 2 diabetes. but she's found new ways to stay on top of it all. once-weekly trulicity is proven to help lower a1c and it can help you lose up to 10 pounds. trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. it's not approved for use in children. don't take trulicity if you're allergic to it, you or your family have medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have an allergic reaction, a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, changes in vision, or diabetic retinopathy. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. taking trulicity with sulfonylurea or insulin raises low blood sugar risk. side effects include nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, which can lead to dehydration, and may worsen kidney problems. ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. with her citi custom ℠ card, rashida earns cash back that automatically adjusts to where her spending is trending. just ask overly confident diy rashida... wait, was this the right wall? 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>> well, this one, stephanie, goes even further than some of the other statutes that we've been seen getting passed around the country. this one, number one, makes it a crime to perform an abortion. punishable by up to ten years in prison. and unlike some of the other bills that say, after 15 weeks, or after 16 weeks, there is no after and weeks and this one. it's at the moment of conception. any abortion after any period of time is prohibited under the statute. and there's no exception for rape, or incest. the only exception is to protect the life of the mother. >> so much of this is circling around this idea that the supreme court could overturn roe. more than a dozen states had these trigger laws that would automatically ban or impose maximum restrictions on abortions if burrow gets overturned. how would that work? >> well, many of these states, i think there's 21 that have these trigger laws that are in place that i've already have on the books that it's illegal to perform an abortion. as long as role as the law of the land, under the supremacy clause, those statutes are unenforceable. but if roe gets overturned, immediately, those laws are resuscitated back to life, and abortion becomes illegal in those states. and then there's another five states that are ready to pass this legislation if roe should be overturned. so b 26 states, more than half the states in the country would ban abortion. >> republicans have been working toward these for decades, and now we are watching them use more creative ways to basically just get abortion bound altogether. could this be a successful long term strategy for them? >> doesn't it feel like we're just living in the past, that we've gone back in time 50 years ago? but it seems that they have been successful. and i like in, it stephanie, to the way isis views the world as the islamic state. we want to impose our religion on everyone, and unless you fall our religion, you are against the law. and when you think about it, and this country, there are catholics who say that life begins and conception. but there are jurors who say life begins and birth. and there are muslims who say life began somewhere in between. and, yet what we're seeing here, is that the religious view of this certain group is going to be able to impose their will on everyone else. and so, i think there are a number of reasons that this flies in the face of our constitution. and yet, this is been the driving force of a segment of republican parties for 50 years. of packing the, court of the federalist society, of judges, this is the culmination of that movement. and i think that we're seeing why focusing on courts has been such an important part of their politics. >> but in theory, barb, laws get passed because they are supported by the voters who put those lawmakers in their seats. so that means that if we see the governor of oklahoma probably saying, this is what we're going to do, does that mean that this is what the majority of people from the state of oklahoma wants? >> well, it's interesting because one thing that we have seen is, few gerrymandering, and voter suppression. we have seen the far-right take hold of a lot more power than the actually represent in this country. now there are certainly states that have majority republican party and republican voters. but if you look at the majority of people in the united states, mostly around urban centers, the majority of people are actually are in favor of abortion. >> barb, every time you hear, you are make us wonder. thank you for joining us tonight, leave it there. coming, up how the late john levinson is using his father's music for the first time to call for peace and hearing, when the 11th hour continues. for peace and hearing when the 11th hour continues when the 11th hour continues [zoom call] ...pivot... work bye. vacation hi! book with priceline. 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