leader of the house republicans kevin mccarthy. they have asked him for an interview that would be testimony, a big deal, as well as cooperation to provide information. and they also are signaling as they have in some of these dra other letters. the information they have already gathered. this new information has the committee asking about a very heated conversation with trump that took place during this insurrection. where according to this committee, this is their characterization on their screen, kevin mccarthy was urging trump to get help to the capitol. that's bad for donald trump if it speaks to the culpability he had and what he knew in realtime. it also notes that trump privately admitted to mccarthy, some degree of responsibility for this insurrection. that's a big deal as more detail its spill out. . and the request to meet with kevin mccarthy on february 3rd and 4th. now this is a bit unusual in interesting ways. mccarthy is the third lawmaker that this committee has asked to cooperate. he would be the first to actually do so if he comes forward. while you may think why would any republican who is have become just so obsessed with donald trump and the rioters themselves, it's mccarthy who said in public in may, sure, he would testify. >> would you be willing to testify about your conversation with donald trump on january 6th if you were asked by an outside commission? >> sure. >> sure, next question. you see the vibe. you also see the political implication. this was kind of dismissed getting into it because he was trying to convey a type of strength or that that was no brainer. but now they are calling him on it. this committee is referencing comments in their letter that mccarthy last year was also the one who implicated donald trump in leading this criminal insurrection. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday' acongress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. accept his share of responsibility, quell the bruling unrest and ensure biden is able to successfully begin his term. >> what you just saw a year ago tomorrow is what it looks like when a republican leader stands up to donald trump. indeed, if mccarthy had continued to sound like that, been consistent at all, maybe this request would feel like such a big deal or test for him. the continues to change. it's hit a new low. all this dates back to mccarthy's weird, that's my news anchor word for it, weird visit to martin bashir. it was january just a couple weeks after what i just showed you. what did they discuss? what deals were hatched? why did that begin his public change from holding the man you see in the photo accountable for what he called a criminal insurrection to what he's doing now. now in had this news, the committee is asking about trump's state of mind and the decisions that were made during and after the insurrection. this is unprecedented legal territory. everything going on here is important, but not everything is clearly required. that's why the letter asks for voluntary cooperation. that's why many experts say that while mr. mccarthy has an obligation to cooperate, he has an obligation to his own words from a few months ago, there's nothing to suggest this is an open and shut case. with that context in play, we turn to our experts. former civil prosecutor mya wiley. and on congress, a veteran of the obama campaign. mya, where does it go from here and kevin mccarthy said he would testify. if he did, does that stand to provide information that is useful to this probe? >> well, look. i don't know we know where it goes from it here for the reasons you just said. we know that he's been asked to voluntarily come and talk to the committee. he says no, a voluntary request is not a subpoena. it's not a legal obligation to appear. so then the committee has to decide. are we going to subpoena him. we heard the congressman say we'll consider it. that's not the same thing as saying we will do it and as you pointed out, there's a disagreement about this centerly not an open and shut case. i want to point out that congress has the power to subpoena is its own members for the ethics committee. and while it is unprecedented, i think it's an argument to ask, whether if congress has the power to ask to appear before it as a member of congress for being ethical, why can't it ask you to do the same for being unlawful. so the arguments are interesting. i think you got a sense of what side i fall on because oi don't see a prohibition to it either, but certainly, there are real political concerns to doing it. we don't know what the committee will do. that may be more of a political question, but i want to say it's a matter of evidence. we already know there's evidence. because the committee in its letter asking for voluntary cooperation as well as what kevin mccarthy said publicly establishes he thinks trump was wrong. he had a heated argument with donald trump on january 6th. donald trump did not respond to trying to prevent the violence and said maybe said those people seem to be more upset about this than you, meaning they are protecting me. you're not. and so it's not as if there isn't an evidentiary record and we should remember that even if the committee does not get the cooperation of representative mccarthy. >> i think you put your finger on it when you go to the fact that there was this reported, heated conversation. when people are afraid of being killed, the mind does get clearer. so there was an anger and a righteousness and concern as he and other remembers, republican and democratic alike, i don't believe they care when it comes to these matters, but we're in danger and what he said to trump. mya also makes an excellent legal point. is it good enough for protecting the democracy itself? that's an interesting way to put it. she's good at lawyering. chay, you said on this program, months before it became more publicly evident or mainstream, you said that the gop was becoming a, quote, riot adjacent party. that was close enough to january that it felt like, wow. now, i don't think that's in dispute when you have ted cruz and others running around to tucker carlson to get verbally slapped for even hinting at the fact that it was a white maga mob. i want to play something we have from the record. you guys will listen to this with me together. how kevin mccarthy sounded in those moments i just mentioned. he did a live phone call sorks you don't see his face, but you hear his voice. this was as the insurrection was still unfolding. take a listen. >> i was very clear with the president when i called him. this has to stop. he's got to go to the american public and tell them to stop. >> why hasn't he walked down and said that now? >> i conveyed to the president what i think is best to do. i'm hopeful the president will do it. >> have you spoken with his chief of staff? >> i have spoke ton the president. i have spoken to the white house. >> one thing that kevin mccarthy probably believed on january 7th was that trump was done. the critics have been proven right this man was a want to be dictator. even the grass root was going to reject him. that turned out to be completely false. and the minute he realized that, that's when he made a beeline right for martin bashir. mair la dpo. they converted to become king of france when asked why, he said paris was worth a mess. anything he had to bear, he will do because he wants the speaker's gavel. he will be happy to preside over the ruins of american democracy to do it. >> let's take your point because he went to see the president. >> what we saw last week was not the american way. neither is the continued rhetoric that joe biden is not the president. joe biden will be sworn in as president of the united states in one week because he won the election. >> because he won the election. it's on record there on the house floor, and yet can kevin mccarthy or other republican leaders, are they allowed to say that fact anymore? >> no, they are not. donald trump made it very clear they are not. kevin mccarthy realized very quickly that if he wants to maintain his lifelong dream of being speaker, he had to go to marla go, bend to trump and kiss his ring and do what he wanted. kiss his ring and do what he wanted. i think he's going to fight this every step of the way. he's going to try to avoid giving the testimony under oath that everybody knows that he would probably have to give, which is donald trump was very focused on january 6th and the overthrow of american democracy. >> mya? >> i don't see any reason why representative mccarthy would cooperate. i think for the all the reasons we have just been talking about. i will had say this. we have just pointed out that he's already admitted it on public record in his own words, and there are obviously witnesses to that phone call on january 6th that also heard expletives. there's other evidence. even if we don't get the satisfaction of seeing representative mccarthy have to come and speak to the people's representatives, we do know and it already is a matter of record and there will be more in it the record as a result of the committee's work. >> all interesting points to a story that was breaking at our news hour as we saw the letter late in the day. i can actually say for two distinct reasons, you both return on other topics later in the program. i'll see you both. also congressman schiff, a key investigator on the key, will be on msnbc within the hour. that's coing up. as for what we're doing later tonight, there's a clash over vaccines and it's important and also shows donald trump calling out republicans and saying it's time to get boosted. also matt gaets in more hot water. we'll tell you who is before the grand jury tonight. and by the end of the hour, get this. oscar winning actor halve yar barr tempt on his movie career. that's tonight. n hi be kinder to yourself and tougher on your cold sores. ♪ ♪s movie career that's tonight ♪i'm so defensive,♪ ♪i got bongos thumping in my chest♪ ♪and something tells me they don't beat me♪ ♪ ♪ ♪he'd better not take the ring from me.♪ if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast... get decision tech from fidelity. 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>> i did the normal shot. that at the end of the people is people's individual decision about what they want to do. >> at this rate, he could be on his way to his own nickname, governor gutless, and this kind of doubt sewing it and pushing it, it does reduce vaccinations at a time when people are more likely than ever to get covid. that brings us to dr. fauci's joe roggin moment. >> i think in many respects, omicron for this extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency, of transmissibility will find just about everybody. >> most people are going to get covid. what we need to do is make sure hospitals can still function. >> this is the latest from scientific expert who is are dealing with the data and the facts. but at the same time, we know since it's been a hallmark of right wing thought to argue everyone will get it, so just let that happen and move on. that's what i mean by a sort of joe roggin echo here. the popular podcaster has carved his own set of right wing talking points about covid and these issues. so why am i telling you this? 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>> yeah, i think we talked about politically the thing that was hurting biden the most was the idea that he has not returned the country to the pre-pandemic normal. it's very possible that we will never return to the pre-pandemic normal for unvaccinated people, but we could return to a pre-pandemic normal for vaccinated people. and i think politically, that's actually fine. if you look at the evidence, joe biden was very popular when vaccinated people didn't have to wear masks and unvaccinated people did. his polling slide begins in mid-july when the cdc said vaccinated people have to wear masks. basically eradicating the distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. so i do think politically it would be fine forrous to have a goal that we want to return to a pre-pandemic normal for vaccinated people. it's something democrats can rally around. it's something we will have the science behind us, and it's something that would be a very strong message for us going into the midterms that we at least for vaccinated people, people who toll the roles get vaccinated and boostered. they can live a normal life. as we define it in 2019. >> yeah, i think that's understandable. i want it to ask you about donald trump as this advocate of vaccination, boosters, facts he sounds a lot like fauci. we put something together to let people decide that for themselves. it's a reminder of how hyperpartisanship or emotional anger and hate is really bad for figuring out the individual facts in any situation. there are people who have strong opposition to donald trump for really good reasons. i don't have to list them off. it does not mean that everything he ever says is wrong or bad. and he is right now one of the most vocal vaccine advocates on the right with one of the largest followings, and that seems to be underplayed for reasons we could get into it. but having said that, we put this together. take a look. >> the vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind. the ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't take the vaccine. >> we know vaccination prevents serious covid-19 illness, hospitalizations and deaths. >> the results of the vaccine are very good. if you do get it, it's a very minor form. people aren't dying when they take the vaccine. if you take the vaccine, your protected. >> we all want normalcy in america. the highway to that normalcy is vaccination. >> everybody to get your shot. >> the president and i are vaxed. did you get the booster? >> yes. >> these vaccines save people's lives. >> i recommend to take the vaccines. i did it. it's good. >> dr. emanuel, is he right? should the public health community, as well as whatever you want to say about your democratic colleagues, be embracing that more? >> first of all, i do think he has come to recognize that it's good to take advantage of the vaccine. he did a remarkable job with developing it. i think he now wants to take more cred for that. in addition, i think he does recognize that the people who are getting sick are the unvaccinated who are his supporters. that's not a good thing overall. i'm not a psychiatrist, but that seems to me to be the trend of what his comments are directed a at. and look -- >> wait. i have to stop you. when you say something interesting, i have to stop you as a reporter. what do you mean psychologically you think that's powering him? >> i think the fact that he is the one under whose watch we did develop those vaccines, we have to be honest about it and warp speed went through with him. i think he wants to take credit for it. he likes to take credit for everything that he can do. so this is one more thing he's going to take credit for. and not wrong, he did have an important role. >> so the harder part for you, we mentioned, you just talked about most doctors don't also casually mention which presidents they have advised. do you think that this biden administration should do more with what's sitting out here, which is the rare biden/trump alliance on telling everyone to get vaccinated? >> look, i think it's great that he's endorsed it. how they use it for information, how they use it to discredit the misinformation, that's going to be critical. and i agree with you. when truth hits you in the face, embrace it. >> chay? >> trump is doing is more for personal ego than public health. but quite frankly, i think most americans who care about the future of the country will take it. they will take him being an egomaniac about wanting credit for the vccine if it can get more people vaccinated and us back to a pre-pandemic normal. but i think what we have also seen the last couple weeks is the beginning of the gop primal. make no mistake. donald trump was clearly shooting a at the bow of ron desantis. he was saying i will go to war with you on this. we're going to see who has the real loyalty of maga. ron desantis has been a gop leader in mainstreaming vaccine skepticism in the republican party, and donald trump wants no part of it because that kind of gets in the way of his eco. for donald trump, nothing should get in the way of his ego. >> i think we covered this from a lot of different angles. fairness to what we don't know, none of the experts have the brain scan or thego x-ray, sa so that's speculative. but through this conversation, we're talking about something deeply important, which is that the scientists and every living former president and the current president have all on record about the science working and the vaccines saving lives in a time when covid is surging. so that's the information people can process. thank you both. up ahead, you may have seen the news box on our screen buzz there's a development, a major one in the matt gaetz federal sex crime probe. who just hit the grand jury, next. who just hit the grand jury, next if it's got to be clean, it's got to be tide. dove 0% is different. we left aluminum out and put 48 hour freshness and 1 quarter moisturizers in. dove 0% aluminum deodorant lasting protection that's kinder on skin. look! oh my god... oh wow. i want my daughter riley to know about her ancestors and how important it is to know who you are and to know where you came from. doesn't that look like your papa? 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>> i view it as very significant, ari. it's just this simple. his ex-girlfriend from 2017 and 2018 off and on, who was apparently, as far as we know, someone very close to him, spent a lot of time with him. the mere fact that we know, or at least we believe, we have reason to believe has been having long conversations with prosecutors now going into the grand jury under oath, under the penalty of perjury that this is bad news for matt gaetz and as you point out on top of mr. greenberg, who pled guilty to sex trafficking of a minor, the very thing that we believe is being investigated in the case of matt gaetz. this is not good news for him, as was the guilty plea of his close friend. >> from the reporting here, which i'm reading buzz it goes to the investigation, it's not trying to pry anyone's life, but looking a at what the investigators say they are scrutinizing in a potential corruption or felonious sex crimes case. nbc reporting that gaetz's ex-girlfriend was in an open relationship and went with him and a number of other, quote, young women and friends on this trip to the bahamas and that's under scrutiny. again, putting aside however one feels about congressman gates's politics or choice, when we hear the feds are looking at that trip, what are they looking at from a legal perspective? obviously, they have to clear some bar that's much higher than whether it's unsaver or earth ethical. >> i have two words. we have seen what prosecutors look for in these cases. was there reason for matt gaetz to know that a woman on that trip may have been a minor. that's what we believe they are looking into. had reason to know it and paid for sex in some form. there's some sources that indicate there may have been a phone call that was tape recorded that his ex-girlfriend and another unnamed woman were on where he reportedly may have asked them and to talk to others about lying about what money paid for. that might go to an obstruction of justice charge becauses we believe that's one of the things prosecutors are also looking at and may, in fact, been the basis of the plea deal with the ex-girlfriend. but those all go directly to what prosecutors have to prove, and we know they are talking to people who are cooperating, who have reason to know those facts. >> really interesting. on more than one set of legal questions tonight, i want to thank you. i want to tell everyone still to come tonight, there's something i want to show you. it's a front line worker, a nurse sharing the blunt facts about what it means when hospitals run out of beds. we talk about experts around here. we're going to pass the mic to her to hear what she is living through in the hospitals and what you need to know. then by the end of the hour as promised, the oscar winning javier bardem on his new movie. he's on the beat for his debut here, coming up. e beat for his t here, coming up. try nervivenerve relief. i recommend nature made vitamins, because i trust their quality. they were the first to be verified by usp, an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. with relapsing forms of ms... there's a lot to deal with. not just unpredictable relapses. all these other things too. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put these rms challenges in their place. kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses, active lesions, and slowing disability progression vs aubagio. don't take kesimpta if you have hepatitis b, and tell your doctor if you have had it, as it could come back. kesimpta can cause serious side effects, including infections. while no cases of pml were reported in rms clinical trials, it could happen. tell your doctor if you had or plan to have vaccines, or if you are or plan to become pregnant. kesimpta may cause a decrease in some types of antibodies. the most common side effects are upper respiratory tract infection, headache, and injection reactions. ready for an at-home treatment with dramatic results? 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[ laughter ] >> now, why is this in the news tonight? there is a new film chronicling a week in the life and the larger realities of the stars of "i love lucy "from the star of nicole kid man is lucille ball and tracks their partnership and what happened off screen. there was some sort of communism jeopardizing the show. >> lucille ball is a threat to the american life. >> does the american government have a case against lucy? >> i need you to help me save my marriage. >> i got to explain what it was. >> you got to explain. >> you being funny now? >> i'm lucille ball, when i'm funny, you'll know it. >> if they boo me. >> if they boo you, we're done. >> sorry. i got lost for a second. >> we are joined now by one of the stars of the film, oscar winning actor javier. thanks for being here. >> thank you, ari. thank you for having me. >> this is so interesting. my first question very simply, should we expect something funny here given what a comic show it was or something more serious? >> we need to drum about the comedy behind the comedy that they were doing every week is a drama about what happened on the back stage behind the scenes in this couple, there are very funny moments but also very social and powerful message we beneath that funny moment. >> you're also getting inside another era. how did you channel realism of that very different time? >> well, i would be lucky because i have lots of video footage and audio footage and also a book written by the person i'm supposed to portray so i have a lot of information. the problem is when you have to portray somebody from the 15th century and -- well, you may have some paintings that you can based upon a little bit of the looks but what do you do? how does he talk? how does he move? so much material about dezzy he was very reachable really to encapsulate what the person rep cemented for so many people. >> i love that answer. and that speaks to something we think we need to watch these things of, you know, what was the reality of the situation. that's why art moves us because we get transported and the human essence that doesn't change as much. anger is anger, love is love. 100 or 1,000 years later. let look at a little bit of you doing this. here is a clip from the film. >> raised me from when i was age 4. he cared about the little guy. he cared about workers rights. it was a tribute to him. >> he was wrong. lucy. yes, he didn't tell you the part when they throw your father in prison for the crime of being the mayor of a city. i was chained to this country, lucy! believe me, you check the wrong boss. >> what's going on there? >> it was -- it's a very tense moment. it's kind of towards the end of the story. there is the political background and the accusation of lucille ball being a communist which was kind of immediate death, immediate punishment to your career, to your own personality. >> we talked about art. we talked about history. then there is this question of whether climate change is going to make the earth so hot it's uninhabitable and so when you're not doing your art, you've been out with green piece and working to bring attention to that. tell us about that. >> i did a documentary called "sanctuary" because i have the chance to go with green piece exploration to the an arctic and see the firsthand changes we're going through and for me it was a night opener. unfortunately, the government isn't doing what it promised to do and i'm a father of two kids. one is 11. one is going to turn 11. she's 8.5. and i don't know, the world we're going to leave behind for them. it's worriness that i mean, there is no way to deny it. if you're denying it, it's because either you have some benefits, denying it political or economical benefits or you are really not aware. that's not a good thing for anybody that lives, walks over the earth. other animals, humans, plants. so i don't know. i don't have the answer but i know that the government has to really make serious agreement on at least reducing all this -- yeah. >> i don't know how you think of yourself javier, but we sort of thing of you as different than a lot of other actors just because of the sheer intensity. so we made something here of you. really you made it but we edited it. we do that in the news. we'll play something we put together of so many of your performances, take a look. >> what's the most you ever lost in a contest? >> sir? >> the most you ever lost in a contest. >> she send you off to me knowing you're not readily, knowing you will likely die. mommy was very bad. you know what date is on this coin? >> no. >> 1958. it's been traveling 22 years to get here, and now it's here. >> life is short. life is tall, life is full of pain and this is a chance for something special. >> there is no treasure. there is no treasure that can save him. >> i need to know what i stand to win. >> everything. how is that? >> you stand to win everything. call it. >> call it. there is no other option. that's the genius of kevin mccarthy and the script of "the coins." there is no other option than calling it. >> yeah, and that guy doesn't believe people options. how do you channel that intensity and my reaawe of how these characters or just doing your thing and it that way? >> i am not tense in my daily life. it boring, it's exhausting. i want to give myself a break. [ laughter ] >> the day is very intense for myself. what do i do but take it easy? i work. i try to prepare myself for the worst outcome possible when you're playing a character so everything is under control more of less but once i'm on the set or on stage, i just try to be as free as i can and i guess the intensity comes with the character i'm playing and with my personality, which is as you can see, my face is not very light. >> yeah, not getting serial killer vibes from you offset here. >> well, maybe in 30 minutes -- [ laughter ] >> -- if you look very thoroughly on my face, you'll say i don't know if i trust him much. >> it's a treat to talk to you javier. life is short and full of pain but maybe we'll enjoy it along the way. thank you, sir. >> thank you very much. >> if you want to tell us your favorite javier film, welcome. visit us @aribelber on any app you like to use. we're new on tiktok. boy, do we have a big list here around "the beat" offices. now "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. hi, joy. >> i was literally going to go on my phone and look up to see if javier was until the film where they said i drink your milk shake. i drink it up. was he in that? no. >> there will be blood. >> there will be blood. >> all i'll say is that also has very intense performances. >> it does. it does. i won't die on the hill of saying he was in that film and javier is great. you're lucky to have interviewed him. >> cheers. >> good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with big news from the select committee. they have officially requested cooperation from house minority leader kevin mccarthy in their investigation of january 6th

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