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guilty of first and second-degree manslaughter. and i promise we are going to end this show on a happy note with moments of joy. and the real santa, the real one. so stick around for that. but we begin "the reidout" tonight with a status report on the american public. 2021, the year that was supposed to make up for 2020 has been a roller coaster, to put it mildly. it started with a limited audience capacity ball drop in times square, followed five days later by a violent attack on our nation's capitol. not by foreign terrorists, but by american ones. they even brought a noose to lynch mike pence with. and from the moment we saw these scenes of hundreds of screaming, in some case violent insurrectionists storming the capitol on january 6, defecating on the ground, beating capitol police with their own shields, we knew that nothing would ever be the same. for the first time in 245 years of u.s. history, a defeated president of the united states had refused to leave office with dignity and participate in the peaceful transfer of hour. and instead, had pro voted a violent attack on his own capitol, on the united states congress, and on his own vice president. and while the january 6 committee continues its work, just what journalists and analysts and authors have put together so far, we already know that that former president donald trump pushed for the department of justice to declare invalid due to massive voter fraud as part of a strategy written up by members of his legal team. conspiracy kooks and a sigh ops and maybe even former members of congress, to use that big lie to try to cling to power. we know that trump plotted to replace unwilling doj leadership with people like jeffrey clark who were willing to go along with the big lie and the plan, that he pressured the vice president to reject his constitutional duty to certify the election and threaten to let the lynch mob have him if he wouldn't. that he pressured governors and state legislatures in the key states that he lost to overturn the will of their own voters based on the big lie, and sent trump electors, not biden electors to congress. and that the department of defense either delayed sending national guard troops to rescue house and senate members and their staffs and assist police who were in hand-to-hand combat with the insurrectionists for unknown and possibly sinister reasons or that they delayed sending the troops as a new just security report states because they feared if the guard were deployed, donald trump as commander in chief would flip their mission and use our military not to save the congress, but rather to clear the capitol and stop the certification. we know that some republican members of congress at minimum sympathized with trump's attempts to overthrow the election and to mount a coup, or that they actively participated in some part of it. and we know that right-wing media members who currently pretend to have been down with the coup from moment one pleaded on insurrection day for donald trump's chief of staff to get him to stop it. and now republicans in congress are trying to throw all the sand that they can into the gears of the investigation, including the house minority leader attempting to install a possible leader of the failed coup, jim jordan on to the investigative committee itself, with jordan who by the way is the ranking member of the house judiciary committee. now hinting that he will refuse to cooperate with investigation by his own branch of government about an attack on his own branch of government. while republicans at the state level dismantle access to the ballot for people of color all over this country in order to get the coup right the next time. yeah. it has indeed been quite a year. joining me now is congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania who was an impeachment manager earlier this year. and kurt bardella,. all of this that happened is surreal for me and even more so for you because you lived through the attack. what do you make of the fact that today may be the worst part of it that kevin mccarthy knowing what i just said to be true, because he said so at first after the insurrection happened, then tried to put jim jordan, who liz cheney has been saying from day one has been giving the side high aye making comments to him that jim jordan has been a part of it, maybe a leader of it, still tried to put him on the committee. here is jim jordan, unable to explain -- well, here he is talking about the january 6 committee on various occasions from october to today. >> are you willing to tell the select committee what you know about events leading up to, during -- >> i've been clear all along. i've got nothing to hide. >> i've got real concerns. i think the country has real concerns about any committee that will take a document, alter that document, totally mislead the american people. i've got real concerns about, you know, working with -- trying to work with any committee like that. >> congressman dean, this is like knowing someone participated in a bank robbery and then trying to get them on the jury. this is bizarre. but your thoughts on jim jordan and the house minute in order leader kevin mccarthy. >> well, joy, i have to tell you, i'm pleased to be with you and with kurt tonight. and by the way, on your skinny jean thing, i'm with you. we have to absolutely outlaw those. but thank you also for promising to end with joy, because what you and are talking about is very, very serious stuff. the stuff of jim jordan sadly, he is not a serious legislator. he is a serious performer. but he is not a serious legislator, and he is not a serious american. he doesn't scare about democracy. he doesn't care what happened on january 6 and the lies that led up to it that he participated in, and he is running quite scared. that's what we're actually seeing with jim jordan. you notice on my committee on our judiciary committee how glib he is at spewing lies. and when he is asked about his participation in january 6, when did he speak to the president, you spoke to him often. surely on january 6 you recall when that was? he stammers. he can't figure it out. he is running very, very scared. we have to make sure that the truth comes out. the january 6 committee is doing extraordinary work, has interviewed more than 300 witnesses, people who know something. and what i have said to jim jordan or anybody else like leader mccarthy or the former chief of staff, you should say i will offer you everything i know. i'll give you my phone. i'll give you my documents. i'll give you my emails because i know that we suffered the most extraordinary attack on our democracy and it must never happen again. >> yeah, kurt, you know this guy, jim jordan. i mean, if he -- if the republicans take over the united states house of representatives, he is likely to be chairman of the judiciary committee, a man who at minimum was in favor of overthrowing a legitimate election and installing the loser as president, or who at worst participated or even led the effort from the congressional side. it's like the burglars are still in the house. dream with me for a minute, or maybe nightmare with me. if he gets the gavel, what someone like jim jordan might do with that gavel? >> you know, it's going to be just an amazing demonstration of hypocrisy. follow the path of jim jordan. someone who spent the better part of eight years when barack obama was president crusading about oversight, crusading about checks and balloonses. all of the sudden he was for subpoenas and hearings and witnesses and documents and the path to truth was through the house of representatives he once famously said at a hearing which he held someone in contempt of congress. then donald trump comes into office and all of the sudden his zeal for oversight disappears. now he is actually being asked to participate in understand and investigating the most horrific day perhaps in united states history, and he doesn't want to do that. he doesn't believe in checks and balances. he doesn't believe as the legislative branch as a coequal branch. but i tell you, joy, if he becomes chairman of the judiciary committee, all of the sudden he will find zeal for oversight. he'll be going after biden. he'll be going after the president's family. he'll be making the committee a kangaroo court. if you thou benghazi was bad, it will be like that on steroids in this guy gets to gavel the house of representatives. this really sets the stakes for what we're coming up to in 2022, what really is on the line, because these guys, they don't care about democratic norms. they don't care about what's right. they don't care about what's true. they just care about power and how they can use it and weaponize it to inspire fear and go after their political adversaries. this cannot be allowed to happen. >> and you know, congressman dean, i think kurt has it absolutely right. i still recall hillary clinton, secretary of state clinton sitting in front of a benghazi committee for 11 hours. she willingly went. they didn't have to subpoena her. she went. of the fast and furious bs investigation which they dragged eric holder before it, held the former attorney general in contempt. the kangaroo court was in existence during president obama's time because he was a president with a spotless record on corruption, and they needed to create some fake corruption in order to just dirty him up. that show republicans do business. none of it is serious. the clinton impeachment, none of it was serious. i wonder if democrats are worried enough about what a future under the leadership of people like that with the weakness of kevin mccarthy, if he even would get to be speaker. it might be jim jordan, right? it might be donald trump. your thoughts? and do you trust the supreme court, by the way? because the supreme court now has the case before -- that trump is trying to get him to block access to his records. i don't trust them either. do you? >> no. and thank you for raising the specter of jim jordan as chair of the judiciary committee. i shudder to think of a majority with the gavel in either mccarthy's hand or jordan's hand or whomever they put forward. and i have to say, kurt, i read one of your recent essays where you said democrats have to run as though they know they will lose -- i'm paraphrasing you, kurt -- in 2022. i don't do that, but i'm actually taking your advice. because i'd hate to wake up in 2022 having lost the majority. with mr. jordan in charge of the judiciary committee, that will be a horrendous moment for certainly the committee, but much more importantly for the country. we have to make sure that mr. mccarthy, who is frankly weak and a bully, that's what bulies actually are representative of, somebody who is weak, and mr. jordan cares nothing for the truth and loves to be a bully. i've witnessed and suffered both with both of the two gentlemen i just talked about, we democrats have to run. we have to run hard. and we have to make sure that we lift up the very thing that matters to america and to the longevity of democracy, and that is honesty and the truth. we will expose the truth. january 6 committee and its hearings and its reports will expose the truth. and that's exactly what people like mr. mccarthy and mr. jordan are afraid of. >> you know, and kurt, president biden has announced he does support a filibuster carve-out, which is good news. a change of position for him. you know, if democrats are not able to get enough voting reform in, because the outcome of the big lie is that republicans have used it as an excuse to enact draconian impediments to access to the ballot that are specifically targeted at people of color, at preventing people of color from doing what they did in 2020, which is voting for someone other than a republican. and they're making it so hard. they're trying to shoehorn people into long line, taking away the locations where you can vote, letting god knows who, maybe the proud boys are going to show up as poll watchers to intimidate voters. and the supreme court said go ahead. do whatever you want. john roberts has never been for access to the vote. he has always been against the voting rights act. you know steve bannon very well. he was kind of a joke, a disheveled looking dude, kind of dog walked donald trump around. in the end, didn't he get what he wanted? because if the republicans take over, steve bannon is essentially writing the script for the next phase of what will not be an american democracy. your thoughts. >> steve bannon said it out loud many times. he wants to destroy the establishment, destroy the pillars of our democracy. and that's what he is trying to do, and that's what he will do if republicans are allowed to take back power. i want to thank the congresswoman for noting my piece in usa today the other day. because the point i was trying to make here is we have to assume the worst. and knowing that, we need to do everything we can while we have the reins of power to shore up our democracy, to put as many safeguards in place as possible. because we all know the republicans not hesitate to tear them all down. so while we have the reins of power we need to do voting rights we could do everything right. we could pass build back better. we got infrastructure done. we could cure covid. it does not matter if we can't have our people show up to vote if they aren't allowed to participate in democratic process. >> that's right. >> all the policies in the world won't mean a thing if we can't have a free and fair election. and that's why passing voting reform and making sure that we have some sort of safeguard to democracy here has got to be priority one, two, and three in 2022. >> indeed. amen and amen. wishing you all a happy holiday. be safe out there. thank you very much. cheers. up next on "the reidout," guilty on both counts. and the family of daunte wright gets 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(cheers) xfinity brought us together, after all! power your whole home this holiday with wifi speeds faster than a gig. click, call, or visit a store today. sing 2 we the jury in the matter of manslaughter in the first degree while committing a misdemeanor on or about april 11, 2021 in hennepin county, state of minnesota find the defendant guilty. the verdict on count 2 is we the jury on the charge of manslaughter in the second-degree, culpable negligent on or about april 2021 in hennepin, minnesota find the defendant guilty. >> the jury has spoken in the trial of kim potter. the former minnesota police officer was found guilty in on both counts of manslaughter in the shooting death of daunte wright during a traffic stop in april. she now faces up to 15 years in prison. minnesota attorney general keith ellison says today's verdict brings a necessary degree of police accountability. >> accountability is not justice. justice is restoration. justice would be restoring daunte to life and making the wright family whole again. justice is beyond the reach that we have in this life for daunte. but accountability is an important step, a critical, necessary step on the road to justice for us all. >> here's the thing. while it is clear that police reform is dead in washington, doa, juries across this country, including multiracial, but even majority white juries are enacting their own kind of police reform, force accountability on a profession that hasn't faced much of any over the centuries. and if that should teach us anything, it's that the first step in reforming police is voting. the people in minnesota elected keith ellison as their attorney general. he has taken over several of these high profile police cases that other attorneys general might have let slide. having an ag with a mind for criminal justice reform is how you get to these verdicts, full stop. joining me now is congresswoman karen bass of california, who is a candidate for mayor of los angeles. and katie phang, msnbc analyst. i've been watching you on msnbc throughout the day, so i kind of know the answer to this. but i want to let anyone who missed you earlier get the benefit of your wisdom. were you as surprised as i was by bithese guilty verdicts? >> i was, but it's because we get so confident that when we hear a juror note come out that it means something. that it means that it's foretelling or even foreboding of the potential for something. with there being only three notes sent out by this jury during this trial one of which is judge, what do we do if we cannot come to a consensus or a unanimous verdict, that gave a lot of us a pause for cause and a fear that we were going get a hung jury. so when the guilty verdict was read, especially on count 1, joy, which is the first degree manslaughter charge, when that was read we knew that count 2, the second degree manslaughter charge was going to be found guilty. we found out by a review of forums and what is being reported in the jury right now is the jury actually came to the verdict on the second degree manslaughter charge a couple of days ago. so it really was whether or not they could find that first degree manslaughter elements that the prosecution had proven to be able to carry the day. and as we've seen through the verdict, the prosecution certainly did their job. >> yeah. and let's just play very quickly, the prosecutor' closing arguments. i will note these prosecutors are like three for three there was the mohamed noor case, a black officer in the same department found guilty of killing an australian tourist. but they also found him guilty of murder. that's been rolled back now to just manslaughter, and obviously derek chauvin. here is the prosecutor making closing arguments. >> consider the real value, if you will, of her reaction. she is distraught. she is beside herself. she questions how she could have done this. she collapses to the ground and admits how wrong her conduct was. i'm going prison and i killed a boy. is that the reaction of somebody who thought deadly force was really necessary? also important is what she did not say. she never said "i had to shoot him or somebody could have gotten hurt," like her fellow officers, her police family. >> stay with you for a moment, katie. the other reason i expected a not guilty verdict is because she is a police officer. i always thought the derek chauvin verdict as the outlier. normally police officers are not convicted of killing a civilian, particularly a black person, let's just be clear, in this country be. new this case, it seemed like her tearful testimony actually hurt her. taking the stand, i feel like it worked against her. no? >> yeah, it did. especially we all did not miss when you were reading that verdict. she didn't shed a single tear when that verdict was read. >> yeah. >> you had the tears, the bic crocodile tears when she was testifying. we got absolutely nothing when she was told that her liberty is now gone. the amazing thing that we're seeing, joy is the following. well heard from keith ellison about the accountability. by the way, until keith ellison got involved, you only had second-degree manslaughter. you didn't have first degree manslaughter which is the more serious. after keith ellison got involved they got the additional charge. quickly, you're seeing the accountability and that jurors are now willing to convict their peers, right, that look like them. that's the difference here. when you have a black victim, normally there is a concern that you have a white defendant, that's hard enough. but when you a white police officer, that's even mind-blowing that you would actually have now back-to-back the convictions of two white police officers in the deaths of black men. >> indeed. let me bring you in representative bass. let me first quickly play attorney general keith ellison. this is his mention to law enforcement. take a listen. >> we hold you in high regard, and we also hold you to high standards. we don't want you to be discouraged. and when a member of your profession is held accountable. >> it does not diminish you. in fact, it shows, it shows the whole world that those of you who enforce the law are also willing to live by it. and that's a good thing. it restores trust, faith, and hope. >> representative bass, keith ellison is an elected official. attorneys general are making these decisions on whether to upcharge or whether to charge at all. we've seen that go both way, particularly in cases like tamir rice and other cases where it seemed that the ag was not interested. i think about the fruitvale -- the oscar grant shooting, which was another case of thought i drew my gun, drew my taser, also resulted in a conviction on manslaughter charges. i think about the kyle rittenhouse judge, somebody who was clearly on rittenhouse's side. you're run tock mayor of a very important city in this country. is part of the lesson here, and you worked on police reform at the federal level that the real police tloorm is happening is happening on juries? >> well, actually, i think it is happening on juries, but it's also happening on the state and local level as well. so we might not have succeeded on the federal level. but all the people who were protesting last year did bring about tremendous change. and i think that it's very important. i also think that, you know, the level of understanding of people that when the defense attorney basically said well, she made a mistake, and everybody makes mistakes, it's made a mistake? someone lost their life. this was an officer who not only did she have 26 years' experience, but remember, she was training another officer. and so that makes it even all the more frightening. but i think it's important to recognize that just because a bill does not pass congress and make it on the president's desk, it doesn't mean that there is no other avenues to change. you should know that the minute our efforts failed, we did appeal to the administration for them to go as far as they can using their authority to further some of the reforms that we were trying to have passed into legislation. >> what i think about is the ways in which reform are actually playing out in the real world, that you do have more and more jury who are willing to convict police, which didn't used to be so likely, particularly when it's a black victim. but you also have i hope more focus on who people are electing to be judge, who people are electing to be attorney general. a lot of time people skip these ballot questions. they do right to president or governor and skip all -- and skip everything below. but some of that stuff below are really important. because a lot of these are elected officials who are deciding whether to charge, what to charge, whether to ignore these cases, or whether to put police in this, you know, vice grip with people like what you want to be, mayor, with everybody all on the same side, and that leaves the victims on the other side. >> exactly right. and i really want to call attention to what the attorney general was saying because he made the point that this is not to decision courage people from becoming police officers or remaining in the force. this is about lifting up the profession, lifgt up the profession so that you gain more trust from the public. and thank goodness the verdict is what it is. because you don't want people to be so demoralized that they reject the police. i do have to say there is another step in this process. there is the sentencing. and i will tell you that communities across the country will also be afraid maybe she'll get a slap on the wrist. >> and that is going to be the next thing because that has happened in some of these case as well. the most important word you said there is profession. we wouldn't tolerate preschool teachers having this many people die on their watch. doctors have to have a lot of insurance to make sure they're killing people because that's a profession. policing is a profession. you should be good at it and at least know your gun from your tase fer you want to it as a profession. congresswoman karen bass, katie, thank you both. good news on new treatment options. bad news on our insufficient testing protocols amid omicron's incredibly fast spread. we'll be right back. ever notice how stiff clothes can feel rough on your skin? 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or should we cancel our plans? >> right. so thank you so much for having me. you know, i will say that the data that we have so far is preliminary. but what we see from the uk, south africa and denmark is omicron may be a bit milder than delta. so we're seeing a decreased risk of hospitalization among people who do get omicron. but to put that in context, both south africa and these european countries have a higher degree of partial immunity. south africa, 70% of people have been infected previously with covid. and the european countries have a higher vaccination rate than the u.s. does. so we can't really necessarily translate that to how what's going happen here in the u.s. but what we see so far is an increase in cases. and we don't see a similar increase in hospitalizations and deaths, which is good. but we still have a lot of people, as you mentioned, who are becoming infected. we still have to worry about the vaccinated vulnerable people who are elderly and immunocompromised and children who remain unvaccinated as well as the other 40% of americans who are not vaccinated. >> and so among the people who are resisting vaccination, there are polls that are saying let's go to ipsos poll. this is from my producers. among white americans, 30% are unvance natd. 75% vaccinated. among black, 78% -- i'm sorry, concerned about covid if they're unvaccinated. 75% of white vaccinated folks are concerned. 36% of white unvaccinated folks are unconcerned. but african americans and latinos if they're unvaccinated are still super concerned about covid, 78% and 59%. and if they're vaccinated, even more concerned. and the people who are just saying they're never, ever going to get vaccinated. the hardest of the hard-core are republicans. so here is their king. he went on a lady's show. i'm forgetting her name at the moment. he went on her show, it was podcast or something. and that is what he said about vaccine. here it is. >> the vaccine is one top greatest achievements of mankind. i came up with a vaccine -- with three vaccines. all are very, very good. the vaccine worked. but some people aren't taking it. the ones -- the ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't take their vaccine. people aren't dying when they take their vaccine. >> oops. he has come a long way since he was literally booed at an alabama rally for saying i got vaccinated. boo! the question now is if he can't even -- he's lost control of the plot among his own people. so i wonder if him now coming out very belatedly and saying no, no, no vaccines are good, and trying to take credit for it, which he doesn't deserve, but whatever, does it change anything at this point or is it too hardened? >> he is definitely motivated by ego. he wants to get historical credit for this accomplishment. but i think he has realized he has turned his base into a monster. he really can't go back. i'm curious to see how folks like tucker carlson are going to really portray this story of his, you know. the fact that trump saying -- actually, everything he said in the clip was pretty accurate about vaccine. but the only reason he is doing that is because of ego. i think he has to weigh between taking credit for this historical accomplishment versus alienating his base. to be honest, i don't know if him speaking to favorably of vaccines is really going the change any opinions. >> at this point, joe rogan has more influence than donald trump does in therms of regular people and who they're listening to. they're not listening to doctors. they're not listening to fauci. they're listening to joe rogan. aaron rodgers said the covid problem is all wrong. why aren't they talking about nutrition and lifting weights. i had covid. joe rogan told me how to cure myself. that's where we are. that's a wealthy nfl player with access to the best doctors. i wonder if we're going have to live with the fact there are a certain number of people from a certain political demographic who are just going to keep dying and filling up hospitals and the rest of us have to kind of adjust our lives accordingly. >> i do feel like we're at an impasse. i feel like only the vaccine mandates will help. and those are being held up in court. and who knows what's going to happen in terms of will they survive legal challenges. most of those unvaccinated as you said are republican. they're rural. they have lower incomes, less formal education. this is the republican base. and it seems from the polling that they don't want to change, that they don't want to take these vaccines, even though as we're seeing, people are still getting infected and still dying. >> yeah, and unfortunately, there are a lot of young black folks out there that are also following it too, and they're not republicans. they just don't trust the system. these are two groups that -- it's very worrying. any way, merry christmas. wishing you a very safe and happy holidays. dr. uche blackstock. >> thanks. i am so excited. it's time for my favorite interview of the year, and you guessed it. it's santa larry. santa larry is here, everybody. woo-hoo. we'll be back. ack. o man, that's a whole lot of wrinkly at least my shoes look good! looking good start with bounce wrinkleguard, the megasheet designed to prevent wrinkles in the dryer. ♪ limu emu... & doug ♪ ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? 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>> oh, joy, children are asking for barbie dolls, nintendo switch, puppy, ponies. one child asked me for a pony, and he wanted me to take it to his pa-pa's house because his pa-pa had a bigger yard. ho ho ho! and some children ask for things of clothing. one child said he only wanted his mother to get some rest. >> aww. i understand you brought your favorite picture of a kid getting to meet you, a child getting to meet you. let's see it. let's put that picture up so we can all see it. you tell me the story behind this amazing -- oh, my gosh, look at this pretty baby. okay. give us the story. >> her name is ivy adams, and she lives up in northern plano, texas area. she came out to dinner with santa claus. and we had a lot of children there. and have i seen thousands of children over this summer or over this holiday season, and i picked her as the best picture of all children this season. she looks like a doll. >> she is adorable. she does look like a dolly. she does look like a dolly. i understand, and listen, santa, you have changed with the times. you've always been modern. you know, you always stick with all of the modern trends. you fit in every era that you have existed in. >> yes. >> but you apparently have gone super modern because you're on tiktok, santa, i understand. we're going show a little video. officially, you're on tiktok. let's play a little video. let's see it. ♪♪ >> and santa larry, you are america's santa one. i am now following you on tiktok. question one, will you follow me back @msnbcjoy. and question two, why tiktok? >>, you have i like tiktok. and it was another platform to get the word out about santa claus and help spread joy and happiness throughout the year. and, yes, i will follow you back. and have i followed you back. and thank you so much for all that you do. i want to share something with you. all year i have been spreading joy. i have been making this here four, joy. i just got through painting it. >> oh, my goodness! i love that so much. that is the best thing because i was in fact named joy because i have a big sister and i was the december baby who was basically her present. so, yes, that is my name. it's really joy ann because i'm caribbean. i have to ask you, santa, is there something that santa wants for christmas? >> oh, joy, i would love for our country to have peace, happiness, harmony. i want all the children to be happy, to have a place to live, and i just want the world to be joyous, you know what i mean? >> yeah. it's true. and it's difficult because we are in a situation where people are mostly angry, mostly sad, mostly fighting, and so what can we do just as individuals to be more like santa, to spread more love and more joy? >> i tell you, it's all about showing respect and care. and i always say that. and you show a little respect and care for your fellow citizens, i think our country can get back on track. we're doing good. america, you're still great. >> we are. you know what? we're doing great right now because we have santa from the north pole. give us a ho ho ho so we can get in the spirit. >> ho ho ho! >> i love it. oh, my gosh. i love you, santa larry. thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate you. >> joy, what do you want for christmas this year? >> i already got it. you being on "the reidout." so i'm good. >> i will finish with our song. ready for our song? >> do it. >> ♪ joy to the world ♪ ♪ joy is here at msnbc ♪♪ >> woo-hoo! thank you, santa larry. i appreciate you. do not forget to follow santa larry on tiktok. he is a america's santa 1, okay? the number 1. that was awesome. our 2021 moments of joy. there were some moments of joy in 2021. i swear, you will see. stay with us. ith us [music: sung by craig robinson] ♪ i'm a ganiac, ganiac, check my drawers ♪ [sfx: sniffs] ♪ and my clothes smell so much fresher than before ♪ try gain flings and you'll be a gainiac too! the only detergent with oxiboost and febreze. age before beauty? 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♪ ♪ yeah, that's more like it. okay, 2021, you made your presence known. your book-ended by a literal insurrection and a variant that brought the pandemic roaring back. here is the thing. 2021 wasn't only about covid and america's democratic decline. from moments of joy to black girl magic, some good did happen. like an insurrection, it failed. they painted georgia blue. a new beginning, inaugurating a new president, and alongside new leadership the voice of a new american era took the national stage. amanda gorman, the youngest inaugural poet in u.s. history. >> the new dawn blooms as we free it for there is always light if only we're brave enough to see it, if only we're brave enough to be it. >> the nation's first black and asian woman vice president, kamala harris, swore in the country's first openly gay cabinet secretary, pete buttigieg. and in a major legislative achievement democrats passed a $1.9 trillion covid relief bill. what kept us going just as much as that aid, the moments of humanity, like jimmy finch, who drove from tennessee to kentucky to set up a grill and feed people devastated by the worst tornado in the state's history. we saw accountability for the murders of dante chinni, ahmaud arbery and george floyd. we had some epic fashion moments. we met the new kid on the block, g young, who made history as the first asian american muppet on sesame street. we saw young people triumph, earning their degrees from jennifer rocha returning to the fields where her family works to houston rapper megan thee stallion to becoming meghan thee the graduate. and then capping off a big year for the labor movement, a starbucks location in buffalo became the first company-owned store in the u.s. to be represented by a union. here's the moment that workers learned they had enough votes. no doubt the best thing about this year was a vaccine that prevented millions from hospitalizations and death. allowing grandparents to hug their grandkids for the first time in almost a year. >> when i saw the new guidelines i was very excited because i have been dying to hug my grandkids. >> i love him. i'm sure every grandparent has felt this way. it's like we have been out there in oblivion just so separated from the people we love. >> oh, listen, it is a tough time right now. we know that you are all tired and hurting and facing difficult decisions about the days ahead. and we are not here to be pollyanna about 2021 at all. but good has a way of showing up. proving that kindness and resilience can always prevail, even in a time like this. so be safe out there. riedout fans, we love you, and happy holidays. that's tonight's riedout. 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guilty of first and second-degree manslaughter. and i promise we are going to end this show on a happy note with moments of joy. and the real santa, the real one. so stick around for that. but we begin "the reidout" tonight with a status report on the american public. 2021, the year that was supposed to make up for 2020 has been a roller coaster, to put it mildly. it started with a limited audience capacity ball drop in times square, followed five days later by a violent attack on our nation's capitol. not by foreign terrorists, but by american ones. they even brought a noose to lynch mike pence with. and from the moment we saw these scenes of hundreds of screaming, in some case violent insurrectionists storming the capitol on january 6, defecating on the ground, beating capitol police with their own shields, we knew that nothing would ever be the same. for the first time in 245 years of u.s. history, a defeated president of the united states had refused to leave office with dignity and participate in the peaceful transfer of hour. and instead, had pro voted a violent attack on his own capitol, on the united states congress, and on his own vice president. and while the january 6 committee continues its work, just what journalists and analysts and authors have put together so far, we already know that that former president donald trump pushed for the department of justice to declare invalid due to massive voter fraud as part of a strategy written up by members of his legal team. conspiracy kooks and a sigh ops and maybe even former members of congress, to use that big lie to try to cling to power. we know that trump plotted to replace unwilling doj leadership with people like jeffrey clark who were willing to go along with the big lie and the plan, that he pressured the vice president to reject his constitutional duty to certify the election and threaten to let the lynch mob have him if he wouldn't. that he pressured governors and state legislatures in the key states that he lost to overturn the will of their own voters based on the big lie, and sent trump electors, not biden electors to congress. and that the department of defense either delayed sending national guard troops to rescue house and senate members and their staffs and assist police who were in hand-to-hand combat with the insurrectionists for unknown and possibly sinister reasons or that they delayed sending the troops as a new just security report states because they feared if the guard were deployed, donald trump as commander in chief would flip their mission and use our military not to save the congress, but rather to clear the capitol and stop the certification. we know that some republican members of congress at minimum sympathized with trump's attempts to overthrow the election and to mount a coup, or that they actively participated in some part of it. and we know that right-wing media members who currently pretend to have been down with the coup from moment one pleaded on insurrection day for donald trump's chief of staff to get him to stop it. and now republicans in congress are trying to throw all the sand that they can into the gears of the investigation, including the house minority leader attempting to install a possible leader of the failed coup, jim jordan on to the investigative committee itself, with jordan who by the way is the ranking member of the house judiciary committee. now hinting that he will refuse to cooperate with investigation by his own branch of government about an attack on his own branch of government. while republicans at the state level dismantle access to the ballot for people of color all over this country in order to get the coup right the next time. yeah. it has indeed been quite a year. joining me now is congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania who was an impeachment manager earlier this year. and kurt bardella,. all of this that happened is surreal for me and even more so for you because you lived through the attack. what do you make of the fact that today may be the worst part of it that kevin mccarthy knowing what i just said to be true, because he said so at first after the insurrection happened, then tried to put jim jordan, who liz cheney has been saying from day one has been giving the side high aye making comments to him that jim jordan has been a part of it, maybe a leader of it, still tried to put him on the committee. here is jim jordan, unable to explain -- well, here he is talking about the january 6 committee on various occasions from october to today. >> are you willing to tell the select committee what you know about events leading up to, during -- >> i've been clear all along. i've got nothing to hide. >> i've got real concerns. i think the country has real concerns about any committee that will take a document, alter that document, totally mislead the american people. i've got real concerns about, you know, working with -- trying to work with any committee like that. >> congressman dean, this is like knowing someone participated in a bank robbery and then trying to get them on the jury. this is bizarre. but your thoughts on jim jordan and the house minute in order leader kevin mccarthy. >> well, joy, i have to tell you, i'm pleased to be with you and with kurt tonight. and by the way, on your skinny jean thing, i'm with you. we have to absolutely outlaw those. but thank you also for promising to end with joy, because what you and are talking about is very, very serious stuff. the stuff of jim jordan sadly, he is not a serious legislator. he is a serious performer. but he is not a serious legislator, and he is not a serious american. he doesn't scare about democracy. he doesn't care what happened on january 6 and the lies that led up to it that he participated in, and he is running quite scared. that's what we're actually seeing with jim jordan. you notice on my committee on our judiciary committee how glib he is at spewing lies. and when he is asked about his participation in january 6, when did he speak to the president, you spoke to him often. surely on january 6 you recall when that was? he stammers. he can't figure it out. he is running very, very scared. we have to make sure that the truth comes out. the january 6 committee is doing extraordinary work, has interviewed more than 300 witnesses, people who know something. and what i have said to jim jordan or anybody else like leader mccarthy or the former chief of staff, you should say i will offer you everything i know. i'll give you my phone. i'll give you my documents. i'll give you my emails because i know that we suffered the most extraordinary attack on our democracy and it must never happen again. >> yeah, kurt, you know this guy, jim jordan. i mean, if he -- if the republicans take over the united states house of representatives, he is likely to be chairman of the judiciary committee, a man who at minimum was in favor of overthrowing a legitimate election and installing the loser as president, or who at worst participated or even led the effort from the congressional side. it's like the burglars are still in the house. dream with me for a minute, or maybe nightmare with me. if he gets the gavel, what someone like jim jordan might do with that gavel? >> you know, it's going to be just an amazing demonstration of hypocrisy. follow the path of jim jordan. someone who spent the better part of eight years when barack obama was president crusading about oversight, crusading about checks and balloonses. all of the sudden he was for subpoenas and hearings and witnesses and documents and the path to truth was through the house of representatives he once famously said at a hearing which he held someone in contempt of congress. then donald trump comes into office and all of the sudden his zeal for oversight disappears. now he is actually being asked to participate in understand and investigating the most horrific day perhaps in united states history, and he doesn't want to do that. he doesn't believe in checks and balances. he doesn't believe as the legislative branch as a coequal branch. but i tell you, joy, if he becomes chairman of the judiciary committee, all of the sudden he will find zeal for oversight. he'll be going after biden. he'll be going after the president's family. he'll be making the committee a kangaroo court. if you thou benghazi was bad, it will be like that on steroids in this guy gets to gavel the house of representatives. this really sets the stakes for what we're coming up to in 2022, what really is on the line, because these guys, they don't care about democratic norms. they don't care about what's right. they don't care about what's true. they just care about power and how they can use it and weaponize it to inspire fear and go after their political adversaries. this cannot be allowed to happen. >> and you know, congressman dean, i think kurt has it absolutely right. i still recall hillary clinton, secretary of state clinton sitting in front of a benghazi committee for 11 hours. she willingly went. they didn't have to subpoena her. she went. of the fast and furious bs investigation which they dragged eric holder before it, held the former attorney general in contempt. the kangaroo court was in existence during president obama's time because he was a president with a spotless record on corruption, and they needed to create some fake corruption in order to just dirty him up. that show republicans do business. none of it is serious. the clinton impeachment, none of it was serious. i wonder if democrats are worried enough about what a future under the leadership of people like that with the weakness of kevin mccarthy, if he even would get to be speaker. it might be jim jordan, right? it might be donald trump. your thoughts? and do you trust the supreme court, by the way? because the supreme court now has the case before -- that trump is trying to get him to block access to his records. i don't trust them either. do you? >> no. and thank you for raising the specter of jim jordan as chair of the judiciary committee. i shudder to think of a majority with the gavel in either mccarthy's hand or jordan's hand or whomever they put forward. and i have to say, kurt, i read one of your recent essays where you said democrats have to run as though they know they will lose -- i'm paraphrasing you, kurt -- in 2022. i don't do that, but i'm actually taking your advice. because i'd hate to wake up in 2022 having lost the majority. with mr. jordan in charge of the judiciary committee, that will be a horrendous moment for certainly the committee, but much more importantly for the country. we have to make sure that mr. mccarthy, who is frankly weak and a bully, that's what bulies actually are representative of, somebody who is weak, and mr. jordan cares nothing for the truth and loves to be a bully. i've witnessed and suffered both with both of the two gentlemen i just talked about, we democrats have to run. we have to run hard. and we have to make sure that we lift up the very thing that matters to america and to the longevity of democracy, and that is honesty and the truth. we will expose the truth. january 6 committee and its hearings and its reports will expose the truth. and that's exactly what people like mr. mccarthy and mr. jordan are afraid of. >> you know, and kurt, president biden has announced he does support a filibuster carve-out, which is good news. a change of position for him. you know, if democrats are not able to get enough voting reform in, because the outcome of the big lie is that republicans have used it as an excuse to enact draconian impediments to access to the ballot that are specifically targeted at people of color, at preventing people of color from doing what they did in 2020, which is voting for someone other than a republican. and they're making it so hard. they're trying to shoehorn people into long line, taking away the locations where you can vote, letting god knows who, maybe the proud boys are going to show up as poll watchers to intimidate voters. and the supreme court said go ahead. do whatever you want. john roberts has never been for access to the vote. he has always been against the voting rights act. you know steve bannon very well. he was kind of a joke, a disheveled looking dude, kind of dog walked donald trump around. in the end, didn't he get what he wanted? because if the republicans take over, steve bannon is essentially writing the script for the next phase of what will not be an american democracy. your thoughts. >> steve bannon said it out loud many times. he wants to destroy the establishment, destroy the pillars of our democracy. and that's what he is trying to do, and that's what he will do if republicans are allowed to take back power. i want to thank the congresswoman for noting my piece in usa today the other day. because the point i was trying to make here is we have to assume the worst. and knowing that, we need to do everything we can while we have the reins of power to shore up our democracy, to put as many safeguards in place as possible. because we all know the republicans not hesitate to tear them all down. so while we have the reins of power we need to do voting rights we could do everything right. we could pass build back better. we got infrastructure done. we could cure covid. it does not matter if we can't have our people show up to vote if they aren't allowed to participate in democratic process. >> that's right. >> all the policies in the world won't mean a thing if we can't have a free and fair election. and that's why passing voting reform and making sure that we have some sort of safeguard to democracy here has got to be priority one, two, and three in 2022. >> indeed. amen and amen. wishing you all a happy holiday. be safe out there. thank you very much. cheers. up next on "the reidout," guilty on both counts. and the family of daunte wright gets 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(cheers) xfinity brought us together, after all! power your whole home this holiday with wifi speeds faster than a gig. click, call, or visit a store today. sing 2 we the jury in the matter of manslaughter in the first degree while committing a misdemeanor on or about april 11, 2021 in hennepin county, state of minnesota find the defendant guilty. the verdict on count 2 is we the jury on the charge of manslaughter in the second-degree, culpable negligent on or about april 2021 in hennepin, minnesota find the defendant guilty. >> the jury has spoken in the trial of kim potter. the former minnesota police officer was found guilty in on both counts of manslaughter in the shooting death of daunte wright during a traffic stop in april. she now faces up to 15 years in prison. minnesota attorney general keith ellison says today's verdict brings a necessary degree of police accountability. >> accountability is not justice. justice is restoration. justice would be restoring daunte to life and making the wright family whole again. justice is beyond the reach that we have in this life for daunte. but accountability is an important step, a critical, necessary step on the road to justice for us all. >> here's the thing. while it is clear that police reform is dead in washington, doa, juries across this country, including multiracial, but even majority white juries are enacting their own kind of police reform, force accountability on a profession that hasn't faced much of any over the centuries. and if that should teach us anything, it's that the first step in reforming police is voting. the people in minnesota elected keith ellison as their attorney general. he has taken over several of these high profile police cases that other attorneys general might have let slide. having an ag with a mind for criminal justice reform is how you get to these verdicts, full stop. joining me now is congresswoman karen bass of california, who is a candidate for mayor of los angeles. and katie phang, msnbc analyst. i've been watching you on msnbc throughout the day, so i kind of know the answer to this. but i want to let anyone who missed you earlier get the benefit of your wisdom. were you as surprised as i was by bithese guilty verdicts? >> i was, but it's because we get so confident that when we hear a juror note come out that it means something. that it means that it's foretelling or even foreboding of the potential for something. with there being only three notes sent out by this jury during this trial one of which is judge, what do we do if we cannot come to a consensus or a unanimous verdict, that gave a lot of us a pause for cause and a fear that we were going get a hung jury. so when the guilty verdict was read, especially on count 1, joy, which is the first degree manslaughter charge, when that was read we knew that count 2, the second degree manslaughter charge was going to be found guilty. we found out by a review of forums and what is being reported in the jury right now is the jury actually came to the verdict on the second degree manslaughter charge a couple of days ago. so it really was whether or not they could find that first degree manslaughter elements that the prosecution had proven to be able to carry the day. and as we've seen through the verdict, the prosecution certainly did their job. >> yeah. and let's just play very quickly, the prosecutor' closing arguments. i will note these prosecutors are like three for three there was the mohamed noor case, a black officer in the same department found guilty of killing an australian tourist. but they also found him guilty of murder. that's been rolled back now to just manslaughter, and obviously derek chauvin. here is the prosecutor making closing arguments. >> consider the real value, if you will, of her reaction. she is distraught. she is beside herself. she questions how she could have done this. she collapses to the ground and admits how wrong her conduct was. i'm going prison and i killed a boy. is that the reaction of somebody who thought deadly force was really necessary? also important is what she did not say. she never said "i had to shoot him or somebody could have gotten hurt," like her fellow officers, her police family. >> stay with you for a moment, katie. the other reason i expected a not guilty verdict is because she is a police officer. i always thought the derek chauvin verdict as the outlier. normally police officers are not convicted of killing a civilian, particularly a black person, let's just be clear, in this country be. new this case, it seemed like her tearful testimony actually hurt her. taking the stand, i feel like it worked against her. no? >> yeah, it did. especially we all did not miss when you were reading that verdict. she didn't shed a single tear when that verdict was read. >> yeah. >> you had the tears, the bic crocodile tears when she was testifying. we got absolutely nothing when she was told that her liberty is now gone. the amazing thing that we're seeing, joy is the following. well heard from keith ellison about the accountability. by the way, until keith ellison got involved, you only had second-degree manslaughter. you didn't have first degree manslaughter which is the more serious. after keith ellison got involved they got the additional charge. quickly, you're seeing the accountability and that jurors are now willing to convict their peers, right, that look like them. that's the difference here. when you have a black victim, normally there is a concern that you have a white defendant, that's hard enough. but when you a white police officer, that's even mind-blowing that you would actually have now back-to-back the convictions of two white police officers in the deaths of black men. >> indeed. let me bring you in representative bass. let me first quickly play attorney general keith ellison. this is his mention to law enforcement. take a listen. >> we hold you in high regard, and we also hold you to high standards. we don't want you to be discouraged. and when a member of your profession is held accountable. >> it does not diminish you. in fact, it shows, it shows the whole world that those of you who enforce the law are also willing to live by it. and that's a good thing. it restores trust, faith, and hope. >> representative bass, keith ellison is an elected official. attorneys general are making these decisions on whether to upcharge or whether to charge at all. we've seen that go both way, particularly in cases like tamir rice and other cases where it seemed that the ag was not interested. i think about the fruitvale -- the oscar grant shooting, which was another case of thought i drew my gun, drew my taser, also resulted in a conviction on manslaughter charges. i think about the kyle rittenhouse judge, somebody who was clearly on rittenhouse's side. you're run tock mayor of a very important city in this country. is part of the lesson here, and you worked on police reform at the federal level that the real police tloorm is happening is happening on juries? >> well, actually, i think it is happening on juries, but it's also happening on the state and local level as well. so we might not have succeeded on the federal level. but all the people who were protesting last year did bring about tremendous change. and i think that it's very important. i also think that, you know, the level of understanding of people that when the defense attorney basically said well, she made a mistake, and everybody makes mistakes, it's made a mistake? someone lost their life. this was an officer who not only did she have 26 years' experience, but remember, she was training another officer. and so that makes it even all the more frightening. but i think it's important to recognize that just because a bill does not pass congress and make it on the president's desk, it doesn't mean that there is no other avenues to change. you should know that the minute our efforts failed, we did appeal to the administration for them to go as far as they can using their authority to further some of the reforms that we were trying to have passed into legislation. >> what i think about is the ways in which reform are actually playing out in the real world, that you do have more and more jury who are willing to convict police, which didn't used to be so likely, particularly when it's a black victim. but you also have i hope more focus on who people are electing to be judge, who people are electing to be attorney general. a lot of time people skip these ballot questions. they do right to president or governor and skip all -- and skip everything below. but some of that stuff below are really important. because a lot of these are elected officials who are deciding whether to charge, what to charge, whether to ignore these cases, or whether to put police in this, you know, vice grip with people like what you want to be, mayor, with everybody all on the same side, and that leaves the victims on the other side. >> exactly right. and i really want to call attention to what the attorney general was saying because he made the point that this is not to decision courage people from becoming police officers or remaining in the force. this is about lifting up the profession, lifgt up the profession so that you gain more trust from the public. and thank goodness the verdict is what it is. because you don't want people to be so demoralized that they reject the police. i do have to say there is another step in this process. there is the sentencing. and i will tell you that communities across the country will also be afraid maybe she'll get a slap on the wrist. >> and that is going to be the next thing because that has happened in some of these case as well. the most important word you said there is profession. we wouldn't tolerate preschool teachers having this many people die on their watch. doctors have to have a lot of insurance to make sure they're killing people because that's a profession. policing is a profession. you should be good at it and at least know your gun from your tase fer you want to it as a profession. congresswoman karen bass, katie, thank you both. good news on new treatment options. bad news on our insufficient testing protocols amid omicron's incredibly fast spread. we'll be right back. ever notice how stiff clothes can feel rough on your skin? 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or should we cancel our plans? >> right. so thank you so much for having me. you know, i will say that the data that we have so far is preliminary. but what we see from the uk, south africa and denmark is omicron may be a bit milder than delta. so we're seeing a decreased risk of hospitalization among people who do get omicron. but to put that in context, both south africa and these european countries have a higher degree of partial immunity. south africa, 70% of people have been infected previously with covid. and the european countries have a higher vaccination rate than the u.s. does. so we can't really necessarily translate that to how what's going happen here in the u.s. but what we see so far is an increase in cases. and we don't see a similar increase in hospitalizations and deaths, which is good. but we still have a lot of people, as you mentioned, who are becoming infected. we still have to worry about the vaccinated vulnerable people who are elderly and immunocompromised and children who remain unvaccinated as well as the other 40% of americans who are not vaccinated. >> and so among the people who are resisting vaccination, there are polls that are saying let's go to ipsos poll. this is from my producers. among white americans, 30% are unvance natd. 75% vaccinated. among black, 78% -- i'm sorry, concerned about covid if they're unvaccinated. 75% of white vaccinated folks are concerned. 36% of white unvaccinated folks are unconcerned. but african americans and latinos if they're unvaccinated are still super concerned about covid, 78% and 59%. and if they're vaccinated, even more concerned. and the people who are just saying they're never, ever going to get vaccinated. the hardest of the hard-core are republicans. so here is their king. he went on a lady's show. i'm forgetting her name at the moment. he went on her show, it was podcast or something. and that is what he said about vaccine. here it is. >> the vaccine is one top greatest achievements of mankind. i came up with a vaccine -- with three vaccines. all are very, very good. the vaccine worked. but some people aren't taking it. the ones -- the ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't take their vaccine. people aren't dying when they take their vaccine. >> oops. he has come a long way since he was literally booed at an alabama rally for saying i got vaccinated. boo! the question now is if he can't even -- he's lost control of the plot among his own people. so i wonder if him now coming out very belatedly and saying no, no, no vaccines are good, and trying to take credit for it, which he doesn't deserve, but whatever, does it change anything at this point or is it too hardened? >> he is definitely motivated by ego. he wants to get historical credit for this accomplishment. but i think he has realized he has turned his base into a monster. he really can't go back. i'm curious to see how folks like tucker carlson are going to really portray this story of his, you know. the fact that trump saying -- actually, everything he said in the clip was pretty accurate about vaccine. but the only reason he is doing that is because of ego. i think he has to weigh between taking credit for this historical accomplishment versus alienating his base. to be honest, i don't know if him speaking to favorably of vaccines is really going the change any opinions. >> at this point, joe rogan has more influence than donald trump does in therms of regular people and who they're listening to. they're not listening to doctors. they're not listening to fauci. they're listening to joe rogan. aaron rodgers said the covid problem is all wrong. why aren't they talking about nutrition and lifting weights. i had covid. joe rogan told me how to cure myself. that's where we are. that's a wealthy nfl player with access to the best doctors. i wonder if we're going have to live with the fact there are a certain number of people from a certain political demographic who are just going to keep dying and filling up hospitals and the rest of us have to kind of adjust our lives accordingly. >> i do feel like we're at an impasse. i feel like only the vaccine mandates will help. and those are being held up in court. and who knows what's going to happen in terms of will they survive legal challenges. most of those unvaccinated as you said are republican. they're rural. they have lower incomes, less formal education. this is the republican base. and it seems from the polling that they don't want to change, that they don't want to take these vaccines, even though as we're seeing, people are still getting infected and still dying. >> yeah, and unfortunately, there are a lot of young black folks out there that are also following it too, and they're not republicans. they just don't trust the system. these are two groups that -- it's very worrying. any way, merry christmas. wishing you a very safe and happy holidays. dr. uche blackstock. >> thanks. i am so excited. it's time for my favorite interview of the year, and you guessed it. it's santa larry. santa larry is here, everybody. woo-hoo. we'll be back. ack. o man, that's a whole lot of wrinkly at least my shoes look good! looking good start with bounce wrinkleguard, the megasheet designed to prevent wrinkles in the dryer. ♪ limu emu... & doug ♪ ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? 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>> oh, joy, children are asking for barbie dolls, nintendo switch, puppy, ponies. one child asked me for a pony, and he wanted me to take it to his pa-pa's house because his pa-pa had a bigger yard. ho ho ho! and some children ask for things of clothing. one child said he only wanted his mother to get some rest. >> aww. i understand you brought your favorite picture of a kid getting to meet you, a child getting to meet you. let's see it. let's put that picture up so we can all see it. you tell me the story behind this amazing -- oh, my gosh, look at this pretty baby. okay. give us the story. >> her name is ivy adams, and she lives up in northern plano, texas area. she came out to dinner with santa claus. and we had a lot of children there. and have i seen thousands of children over this summer or over this holiday season, and i picked her as the best picture of all children this season. she looks like a doll. >> she is adorable. she does look like a dolly. she does look like a dolly. i understand, and listen, santa, you have changed with the times. you've always been modern. you know, you always stick with all of the modern trends. you fit in every era that you have existed in. >> yes. >> but you apparently have gone super modern because you're on tiktok, santa, i understand. we're going show a little video. officially, you're on tiktok. let's play a little video. let's see it. ♪♪ >> and santa larry, you are america's santa one. i am now following you on tiktok. question one, will you follow me back @msnbcjoy. and question two, why tiktok? >>, you have i like tiktok. and it was another platform to get the word out about santa claus and help spread joy and happiness throughout the year. and, yes, i will follow you back. and have i followed you back. and thank you so much for all that you do. i want to share something with you. all year i have been spreading joy. i have been making this here four, joy. i just got through painting it. >> oh, my goodness! i love that so much. that is the best thing because i was in fact named joy because i have a big sister and i was the december baby who was basically her present. so, yes, that is my name. it's really joy ann because i'm caribbean. i have to ask you, santa, is there something that santa wants for christmas? >> oh, joy, i would love for our country to have peace, happiness, harmony. i want all the children to be happy, to have a place to live, and i just want the world to be joyous, you know what i mean? >> yeah. it's true. and it's difficult because we are in a situation where people are mostly angry, mostly sad, mostly fighting, and so what can we do just as individuals to be more like santa, to spread more love and more joy? >> i tell you, it's all about showing respect and care. and i always say that. and you show a little respect and care for your fellow citizens, i think our country can get back on track. we're doing good. america, you're still great. >> we are. you know what? we're doing great right now because we have santa from the north pole. give us a ho ho ho so we can get in the spirit. >> ho ho ho! >> i love it. oh, my gosh. i love you, santa larry. thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate you. >> joy, what do you want for christmas this year? >> i already got it. you being on "the reidout." so i'm good. >> i will finish with our song. ready for our song? >> do it. >> ♪ joy to the world ♪ ♪ joy is here at msnbc ♪♪ >> woo-hoo! thank you, santa larry. i appreciate you. do not forget to follow santa larry on tiktok. he is a america's santa 1, okay? the number 1. that was awesome. our 2021 moments of joy. there were some moments of joy in 2021. i swear, you will see. stay with us. ith us [music: sung by craig robinson] ♪ i'm a ganiac, ganiac, check my drawers ♪ [sfx: sniffs] ♪ and my clothes smell so much fresher than before ♪ try gain flings and you'll be a gainiac too! the only detergent with oxiboost and febreze. age before beauty? 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