will be back in the room right now seeing a news night with abby. phillip starts the jury is deciding donald trump s fate and he is invoking mother teresa. that s tonight on newsnight good evening. i m abby phillip new york tonight. a jury of 12 men and women are considering whether to make donald trump, the first former president to be convicted of a crime after receiving instructions from the judge today, they deliberated for more than four hours and then they send back to notes. you ll hear what those notes were in just a moment and we ll discuss the significance of each of them. but first, you heard the prosecution and the defense making their closing arguments this week, the jury is deliberating over those right now. but now donald trump is making his own closing argument in the court of public opinion. it won t come as a surprise to you that it needs a hell of a lot of fact-checking i mean, what is very unfair as it i m not campaigning. did this room all day from
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having an ag with a mind for criminal justice reform is how you get to these verdicts, full stop. joining me now is congresswoman karen bass of california, who is a candidate for mayor of los angeles. and katie phang, msnbc analyst. i ve been watching you on msnbc throughout the day, so i kind of know the answer to this. but i want to let anyone who missed you earlier get the benefit of your wisdom. were you as surprised as i was by bithese guilty verdicts? i was, but it s because we get so confident that when we hear a juror note come out that it means something. that it means that it s foretelling or even foreboding of the potential for something. with there being only three notes sent out by this jury during this trial one of which is judge, what do we do if we cannot come to a consensus or a unanimous verdict, that gave a lot of us a pause for cause and a fear that we were going get a hung jury. so when the guilty verdict was read, especially on count 1,
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