of the presidential race. go talk to meadows. got a dubious tip about voter fraud? go talk to meadows. found an outlandish twitter thread about voter rigging, go talk to meadows. meadows refers to mark meadows, former president trump's chief of staff, who is facing possible contempt charges. records of his possible communications with others are now under intense scrutiny. last week, the january 6th praenld out some of meadows' text messages and revealed that some came from unnamed members of congress. here's what one of them said. yesterday, january 6th was a terrible day. we tried everything we could in our objection to the six states. i'm sorry nothing worked. on this show yesterday, donald trump's former personal attorney and fixer michael cohen weighed in on meadows' text messages. >> i think mark meadows is the dumbest a-hole on the hill, to be very honest with you. i'm watching and i'm seeing these 9,000 texts, e-mails, from who-to-who-to-who, and i wonder -- i know for a fact that there were more, but i wonder is why these 9,000 -- who's the next one to be thrown under the bus? 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"the washington post" reported that the gop senator lindsey graham was briefed by waldron himself. who's this waldron guy and what was in that powerpoint that was so interesting? >> well, phil waldron is a retired army colonel. and according to our sourcing and other reporting, it sounds like he was the lead character in putting together this powerpoint that ended up in mark meadows' inbox, which he subsequently turned over to the committee. and this powerpoint is interesting, because it makes two broad points. number one, donald trump should declare a national security emergency to restore himself in office. and failing that, he should just make vice president or then vice president pence throw the election out completely or allow the election to the house, where republicans have a majority delegation and, you know, again, trump could return himself to office for a second time. and so this powerpoint has taken on a much larger significance than i think people initially realized. we wort reported on this last week, and this week, the committee went ahead and subpoenaed waldron, because they want to know the extent of his communications with people at the white house and members of congress. "the washington post" story, for instance, reported that mark meadows met eight to ten times with phil waldron. mark meadows was saying for days and days that the engagement or his engagement with the powerpoint ended in his inbox. we now know that not to be the case, because he was meeting with one of the authors of the powerpoint. i think this is going to play a larger significance in the buyer investigation and could be the start of what connects the white house to congress. > i'm still stuck on the fact that there was a powerpoint for insurrection. thank you for joining us. hugo lowell is a congressional reporter at "the guardian", me now is hakeem jeffries, the chair of the house democratic caucus and also served as an impeachment manager during the first impeachment of donald trump, which i think was two years ago yesterday. congressman, it is good to see you again. you are articulaing a view, once you get above all of these details, there's something fundamentally more serious about this. and that is that major players in our government, elected or otherwise, were involved in the undermining of democracy. there were people on january 6th and january 7th and january 8th last year that were afraid to use the term coup or insurrection, but that is exactly what this is, ands is not in the past tense. it's apparently continuing today. >> that's correct. good morning, ali. great to be with you, always. what occurred on january 6th was an attempt to overthrow the u.s. government and it apparently involved some of the people at the highest levels of the u.s. government. the january 6th commission -- committee is doing a tremendous job, and i believe they will continue to thoroughly investigate what happened, why it happened, present to us how do we prevent something like that violent attack and insurrection from ever happening again. we have to do three things at the same time and led by president biden, that's exactly what we're doing. we have to continue to crush the virus. deal with these new variants that emerge, stand up our public health infrastructure, and president biden's continuing to lead in that direction. we have to supercharge the economy, confront inflation, lower costs for everyday americans. that's why we're working hard to pass the build back better act, but we have to defend our democracy from the fundamental attempts to undermine it, which are serious and continuing. >> let's just talk about your words in which you say that if we don't get to the bottom of this matter on january 6th, that it's an actual threat to democracy. play that out for people. because i'm still dealing with people who say to me, what's wrong with just figuring out how to make our voting system as safe and strong as possible. we've had numerous court cases, numerous investigations, numerous audits that indicate that it's actually a remarkably safe system that is not subject to fraud. but what's your argument about why this is so dangerous for this big lie to continue? >> the notion of widespread voter fraud is a big lie, that itself is designed to serve two purposes. to create this false impression that somehow donald trump won the 2020 election and that our voting system is not safe and reliable, when in actuality, it is. the 2020 presidential election was perhaps the safest election, most secure election in american history. and the only reason why people on the radical right are endeavoring to undermine it is because they didn't like the results that sprung from the decisions made by the american people. that it was time to fire donald trump and bring sanity and competence back to the white house by electing president biden. here's the fundamental point, ali. the concern that we have, that many reasonable people have, is that because some on the radical right have concluded that they can no longer win elections democratically, they have decided that they're not going to abandon their radical right conservative ideology and articulate a different set of public policies, they're going to abandon democracy. and that's what the insurrection was all about. that's what the fake claims of voter fraud are all about. that's what the effort to set up an infrastructure of nullification of elections at the local level is all about, as well. that's why the senate needs to act, pass the freedom to vote act, and pass the john lewis voting rights advancement act with the fierce urgency of now. >> and do you believe that that will offset it? is that the thing that is needed to offset the big lie? if the senate passes the voting rights act or the two pieces of legislation it has, will that do the job? >> well, certainly, those are two incredibly important steps that are necessary. the january 6th elect committee needs to continue to complete its work, so the full picture can be completed to the american people. so we can understand just how close we came to losing our democracy, which i believe will inspire the american people to support the efforts to prevent something like an insurrection and an attempted coup d'etat from ever happening again. we also have to make sure that we strengthen the american dream, the ability for the middle class to be able to provide a comfortable living for themselves and their families, and make sure that that dream can be passed on to their children and grandchildren, because that attack is problematic and undermines the fabric of our democracy, as well. >> congressman, as always, good to see you. thanks for taking time to join us this morning. congressman hakim jeffreys is a democrat of new york. it's starting to feel a lot like 2020 all over again. covid-19 cases spiking around the united states. one offer infectious disease experts will answer your questions, next. and she wrote about it all. the power of community, the necessary end to white supremacy. the significance of intersectional feminism and love. we'll discuss the extraordinary life and work of bell hooks. also, i'll speak with democratic congresswoman ilhan omar. there's a new bill aimed at combatting islamophobia, but not a single republican is getting behind it. but not a single republican is getting behind it. umes? 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because they are hearing from friends and they are seeing on the news that this infection spreading faster than it has almost since the beginning of this pandemic. >> ali, very quickly, six things. you want to keep the gatherings small to zero. i know this is the second year we're asking people to do that, and that ensures that you have fewer people that might potentially be positive at that event. if you haven't been, you want to get vaccinated. if you haven't been, you want to get boosted. wear a good-quality mask on your travel, n-95 or k-95. slate. keep those windows open if you're able to. that's really what's going to keep people safe. the only other thing that i was going to tell you is that you could change your behavior currently. avoid risk behaviors now that could get you exposed, that you might take the infection home, and that means reducing indoor dining and not going to large public events with a lot of people whose status you don't know. >> that number five on that list, don't go if you are symptomatic. >> i knew i was missing something. >> that's a key one. >> that's absolutely right. if you are not feeling well, i would still recommend people not to go. >> i was noting it was saying in the notes that you sent to my producer, you said the odds of getting infected from someone who has omicron is three times the odds of getting infected from someone who has delta. so not is it more transmissible, but if you're with somebody who's got it, your experience is that you could get it, you're more likely to get it if somebody had delta. >> yeah, the uk technical brief looked at household transmission risk. and that's exactly what you just mentioned, is three times the odds of getting the infection from somebody that has omicron really speaks to what we're seeing. you're seeing this rapid spread of disease, which is why i almost wish that president biden was speaking today, because in an omicron world, two days is a lot. you're starting to see the spread of infection. and what we will hear, you know, i think is that we're all protected -- people who are vaccinated are protected from severe disease, but we need to all play our part. because there's still 40% that are not fully vaccinated and there are people who are over 65, only half of them have received a booster, that are still vulnerable. so we need to all do our bit to reduce potential infections that may end up in hospitalization. >> the other thing you've learned is that this causes reinfection at a much higher rate than delta did, in people who had already been infected. >> that's right. so the reason this is of concern, ali, is people are saying, it only causes mild disease in people who are -- who have been boosted or vaccinated, why should it matter? because there are so many more vulnerable than people realize. we're also seeing three times -- south africa is showing three times the chances of infection, so that's another level of again vulnerability. the last thing i'll mentions is part of that immunization is also affecting our existing medical tool. many of the available monoclonal antibodies that are being used in vulnerable patients or unvaccinated patients to keep them from getting hospitalized, it looks like their effectiveness has gone down. that makes vaccination even more important, but all of us doing our bit with those masks and testing reduce the spread more importantly. >> nahid, good to see you this morning, thanks, as always. one day, i would love to a conversation with you that isn't about some serious pandemic that is affecting us all. dr. nahid bhadelia. all right. i can't believe in 2021, i'm still talking about islamophobia. and in the halls of congress, no less. i'm going to talk about it next with congressman ilhan omar. she's standing by n omar she's standing b at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. with downy infusions, let the scent set the mood. feel the difference with downy. 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did you -- did anybody say, hey, i otherwise am against islamophobia, i just can't really get behind this bill, because, dot, dot, dot? >> no, basically, their argument was, i'm islamophoic and i don't think islamophobia should be talked about it. they showed their reasoning for creating the bill by showcasing their bigotry. which is something for the american people to see. one republican member ended up gig rebukd on the house floor and had his words taken down by the parliamentarian. it's quite embarrassing and telling, really, that islamophobia is so pervasive within the republican party that they are no longer ashamed of it and actually think that it gets them clout. and it's something that they can campaign on. and if we do not, you know, aggressively engage in this conversation and stem out islamophobia, i'm afraid that it is going to get worse. >> congressman, i want to ask you on a separate topic, on something that you had been working on in congress, senator manchin has just been on tv and he has basically announced that there is no likelihood that he'll be able to support the build back better legislation. let's just listen to what he said. >> you have the debt we're carrying, $29 trillion. you have also the geopolitical unrest that we have. you have the covid, the covid variant. and that is wreak havoc again. people are concerned. i mean i'm with my family. i know everyone is concerned. so when you these things coming at you the way they are right now, i've always said this, brett. if i can't go home and explain it to people of west virginia, i can't vote for it. and i cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation. i just can't. >> he goes on to say, i've tried everything humanly possible, i can't get there. bre baier anchor says, you're done? 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abuse and neglect negate love, care and affirmation the opposite of abuse and humiliation are the foundation of love. it is a testimony to the failure of loving practice that abuse is happening in first place. that's really central to bell hook's thinking about this whole thing. she -- for all the things she criticized, she wasn't filled with hate about it. >> no. i think that's one of the things that makes her such a compelling activist and intellectual scholar and teacher is that she was completely fierce in her criticism of domination, all forms of domination. as you quoted earlier, she spoke about white supremacists, patriarchal domination, capitalist domination, and she spoke out against all of them. she never minced words. she was honest. she was fierce. she was courageous. but everything stemmed from her motivation of love and she felt that love had to be the basis of justice and there could be no justice without love and no love without justice. so when many people think about black women who speak out against the oppressions we're facing as angry and bitter, she spoke out out of love and i think it is so important that we have this model of a dissident intellectual black feminist who could speak courageously and at the same time be loving and want to bring us together across our differences to imagine a world of justice and peace and love. >> and yet it did not -- the idea of speaking about love did not cause her to shy away from the important criticism she made. kimberly crenshaw said that hooks was utterly courageous in terms of putting on paper thoughts that many of us might have had in private. erin, you also have an important quote from bell hooks, i'll read that one now. as long as women are using class or race power to dominate other women, feminist sisterhood cannot be fully realized. this was another big theme for bell hooks, that all feminism is not equal, and all feminism is not all encompassing and all inclusive. >> yeah, that's exactly right, ali. thank you for taking a few minutes to reflect on the tremendous legacy of bell hooks, the seismic loss that so many of us as black women are experiencing this week. yeah, i mean, bell hooks is the one that made it clear for me that anybody can be part of the patriarchy, and feminism is for everybody. that's why you're not just you're ali, you're an ally, because you're part of the effort that bell hooks spent her life trying to champion, dismantling systems of sexism, systems of oppression, and yes it was bell hooks that gave us that language, that really fused together for me my womanness and my blackness and the understanding that, you know, white women could absolutely be complicit in the patriarchy. it was her unrelenting and unapologetic body of work that helped me draw on my understanding of the suffrage movement. of the women's liberation movement, of the women's march and even black lives matter, the racial dynamics of that, as well as gender. it was a transformative concept to me that is central to so much of the work i do at the 19th because bell hooks filled in so many blanks around feminism, that gave really me a way into that, you know, something like the feminist mystique, but her insistence that men can and must be part of the gender justice conversation is an ethos we also believe at the 19th because i think all of us that are -- that continue to be shaped by her work as you said, we will be life long students of bell hook's, and so we are duty bound to really carry on with this blueprint she laid down for us in terms of how we all get free and so much of that to professor roberts' point is really about love and community that is really the path to the way forward. >> and professor roberts, errin makes a good point, she invites men to be part of this and for men who struggled particularly in the last several years with me too, feeling like they're being blamed or they're not at fault, i think the way bell hooks characterized me too in a 2017 npr interview was really important. she said in all of this i read a ton of stuff and hardly anyone used the word patriarchy because in part we act like this is individual male psychopathology and not like this is normal. and when you look at it through bell's perspective, you say we are all part of a system, including me. i'm part of a system that is -- that is causing difficulty for women, regardless of what i have done as an individual. i should do the right things as an individual, but i live in benefit of a system of patriarchy and bell hooks laid that out very clearly. >> absolutely. so bell hooks looked at forms of domination, whether it was capitalism, patriarchy, white supremacy and that's what she opposed. she never trashed individual people and she never looked at the problems as individual problems. she looked at the forms of domination. so she preferred to talk about white supremacy to talking about racism. she preferred to refer to capitalism and patriarchy. she defined feminism as a struggle to end sexist oppression. and everyone, she points out, we live in this -- these interlocking forms of oppression, and we can all struggle against them. so she never criticized or devalued, right, individual men, including black men, but she held men accountable or anyone accountable who participated in patriarchy. even white women -- even black women could participate in patriarchy. she called us all to oppose these forms of domination, whatever they are, and she spoke lovingly of black men. she criticized the way in which u.s. society devalues black men. and she criticized patriarchal versions of black masculinity. her idea was this is what we need to oppose and we can all be free if we oppose them. >> her writing is accessible. it is important. it is as current today as when it was written. thanks to the two of you. this is a good philadelphia strong morning for us. errin haines at the 19th and i got to errin in person the other day before we decided it was no good to see people anymore, and dorothy roberts. these are two important women to read their work and follow them. thank you for watching. catch me every saturday and sunday morning from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern. 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