investigation into the insurrection and how roger stone plans to plead the fifth before the committee. then, the build back better bill in serious jeopardy in the senate. historic storms and warmth in the middle of december. a new normal under climate change. when all in, starts right now. >> good evening from new york i am chris hayes. donald trump is the only u.s. president to be impeached twice. while he has always had loyalists and sycophants in congress, his first impeachment, over a threatening phone call he made to the ukrainian president, asking him to dig up dirt on the bidens, is when his republican attack dogs really began to close ranks around him. at least in the way we have come to think about that. there is a particularly telling anecdote that would be funny, not so desperate or sad, back in 2019 in the middle of that first impeachment, donald trump was unhappy with the way his press coverage was going. he thought republicans were not doing a good enough job counter programming his impeachment hearings. in a meeting with the right-wing house freedom caucus on october 22nd, then president trump reportedly said something to the effect of quote, we need to be tough because democrats are fighting dirty and have been fighting dirty. we try to take the high road in general, but maybe it is time to take the gloves off. which itself is a hilarious thing to say. now republican congressman matt gaetz of florida, who is one of trump's most self the basic synapse in congress, heard the bosses call to arms. the next day, congressman gates and dozens of his republican colleagues stormed a secure room in the basement of the house, where an impeachment hearing was being held. most did not have clearance to be in the area, they brought cellphones another smart devices which are strictly prohibited. they were demanding quote, transparency, it was clear the real purpose of the storm was to put on the show for the audience. to let donald trump know that they were willing to fight for him on tv. did i do a good enough? was this okay? to take the gloves off. the group ordered pizza and they ate fast food. they generally made a circus of things. unless you believe for a moment this was a genuine spur of the moment protest. congressman gaetz. -- still available on his website. it contains guidance for which the media should station it's tv cameras. that is of course with this is really all about. performing outrage on tv so that donald trump would like that. gaetz's press release also included a list of rsvps, including two familiar names. congressman jim jordan of ohio and congressman mark meadows of carolina. both men are die hard trump supporters. so their presence does not come as much of a surprise. except here is the thing, they both sat on the house oversight committee. that is the committee that was conducting that -- the committee that was allowed to be in the room. they already had access to the hearing they were crashing, to complain about the lack of access. >> it's finally reached the boiling point, where members just said there are so frustrated at the idea that they can't be a part of this and see what is going on. and so we are at a standstill. we will see what happens with today's witness. >> again, at the time, congressman jordan was actually the ranking member of the house oversight committee. he was already part of the process he was crashing. but again, the most important thing was to please donald trump. to let him know that i am fighting for you. and in fact, we later learned that trump was made aware of the entire sham protest ahead of time. i'm sure he thought, nice job. a few months later as a reward for his blind support, trump supported mark meadows to be the white house chief of staff. jordan's freedom caucus bodies now had a direct line to the white house. together, over the next year, meadows and jordan work behind the scenes to engineer a coup and keep donald trump in power. as the new york times reports in a great new piece, meadows and jordan in a another handful of others moved well beyond words and into action. they bombarded the justice system with dubious claims of promoting irregularities. they pressured state legislators to conduct audits that would cast out on the election results. they plotted to disrupt the certification on january 6th of joe biden's victory. leading up to the election, congressman jordan worked to sow doubt in its integrity. he accused democrats of quasi-unquote chaos, disrupting balance. after the election who were tirelessly, hand in hand with donald trump in his administration, to try to steal a fair and free election. to overrule the will of the voters and end of democracy as we know. it as the time reports, two days after the ap called the race for joe biden. jordan huddled with top trump staff at campaign headquarters. and quote, the group settled on a strategy that would become a blueprint for mr. trump supporters in congress. hammer home the idea the election was tainted. and that's legal actions being taken by the campaign and bolster the case with allegations of fraud. all of those allegations being false. in december of last year, a month after joe biden was declared the winner, jordan was still arguing that trump should not give up. when asked if trump should concede, jordan told a reporter for cnn quote, no, no way, no way, we should still trying to figure out exactly what took place here. and as i said, i think that includes debates on the house floor, potentially on january 6th. oh yes, january 6th. go get them. because on january 6th, jordan was of course one of 147 members from congress who voted not to seek the electors. to throw out the votes of the american people. and replace them with the votes of the people from congress. to fire the voters and install themselves as the deciders of an election. and since then, news about jim jordan's active involvement and fulfillment the coup has been trickling out. he admits to having spoke about donald trump wants after the january six insurrection. but there are reports that they have had multiple calls that day, when they talk about. just what happens when one local reporter just tried to press him on the exact timeline >> first off, yes or no, did you speak to president trump on january 6th. >> yeah i spoke with the president last week, i spoke with a president all the time, i spoke with him on january 6th. i talk president trump all the time. i don't think that is unusual. i would expect members of congress to talk with the president of the united states when they are trying to get on the things that they told the voters to do. i'm actually kind of amazed that sometimes people keep asking me this question. i talked to him last week. >> on january 6th did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked. >> i spoke with him that day after, i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not, i just don't know. i would have to go back. i don't know when those conversations happened. but what i know is i spoke with him all the time. >> that seems entirely on the up and up, doesn't it? knowing all that, republican leader rip kevin mccarthy still put that guy, jordan, or trying to put that guy on the committee investigating the insurrection. the guy who worked directly or with trump to sow doubt in the election. the guy who spoke with him on the day of the insurrection itself. house speaker nancy pelosi vetoed jordan placement on the committee. there was some tugging among the civility crew in d. c.. and congressman liz cheney who sits on the committee elaborated why his appointment will be problematic. >> i think that congressman jordan would be a material witness. he is somebody who was involved in a number of meetings in the lead up to what happened on january 6th. involved in planning for january 6th. certainly for the objections that day. as he has said publicly. so he may well be a material witness. >> yesterday we learned even more. congressman jordan admitted that on the day before the insurrection, on the fifth, he forwarded a text message from a right-wing lawyer to mark meadows, with guidance to have mike pence simply throw out the results of the election on the sixth. up until the very and he was actively planning a coup with the white house. he is not alone. most definitely not. there are about 2000 text that mike meadows turned out to the committee, much about how to turn over the election. but this is what years of blind loyalty to donald trump gets you. congressman jordan may very well be a material witness, mark meadows has just been helped in contempt of congress. there might be a referral, the will be a referral to the justice department. because he is now refusing to cooperate with the same congressional investigation. something jim jordan wants you to know he is very upset about. >> mark meadows is our former colleague. he is a good man. and he is my friend. this is as wrong as it gets. and i think deep down, everyone knows it. but your last for power, your lost to get your opponents is so intense, you don't care. last for power, lost for power. that dude, that guy you saw tried to install a ruler over the will of the american people. that is lost for power. meadows is now reporting on the outs with trump. more on that in a moment. the committee is continuing its investigation, getting a lot of cooperation. just today subpoenaed a man named phil walden who briefed mark meadows and members of congress on truly bonkers, bogus election fraud theories. leading up to january 6th. he's the guy that put together that completely bananas power point presentation that was titled election fraud, foreign interference and options for six jan. so as long as the subpoenas keep coming, jim jordan may want to start refreshing his memory of when exactly he spoke to donald trump. covers commerce that new york times. he was on the byline. titled meadows in the ban of loyalists. how they fought to keep trump in power. ashley parker is the white house bureau chief for the washington post. her article titled -- let me start with some of the reporting from that piece. i thought it was fascinating. you know, we saw what they were saying. in public. but there were a lot of effort being undertaken by the group to further any kind of theory that they could. that would result in the election not actually being called for joe biden and counted and made official. >> yes, that is right chris. i think what we hope that we demonstrated with this piece, was that for at least a half dozen congressman. the number may be more. the claims of election fraud, went beyond grandstanding and the halls of congress. or press conferences. there were concrete actions. planning, sending email, putting pressure on different people. to try to do something about that. to try to affect donald trump. even though he had not been selected by the voters. we laid out a timeline. basically starting shortly after the election. where these plans get going. and they lead all the way up to january 6th. as you highlighted in your intro, the email -- i'm sorry, the text messages that were afforded by jordan. tomatoes, advising that mike pence should throw out the votes. of legitimate electors. pirate of this plan was to have this fake state of electors be the ones to replace them. and see president trump for another term. we tried to lay that out as much detail as possible. hopefully the readers understand that these events were illuminated some. >> yeah. i think the point you make in the reporter. the bombardment of the department of justice. we know they're getting a lot of incoming. getting it from meadows, trump. we've got reporting that shows that the u.s. attorney in atlanta is being told that he has to go get some cases. it's interesting that members of congress are doing that as well. that is not isolated. you say this in that piece that you wrote about the committee scope. according to one prominent witness interviewed by the committee, investigators are interested by the relationship between freedom caucus members and political activists who organized stop the steal rallies before and after the election. nobody is off limits. in terms of meadows, who you wrote about today. there are two things that are striking here. one is that he seems to be an active participant in this. there would always be these kind of john kelly stories that would come out. that john kelly was kind of yes bossing trump. and trying to like steer him away from things. i never know the degree to which those are true. in this case, it seems like meadows is a fully active participant in these actions at every step of the way. as far as we know, from you and others have reported. >> that's exactly right. it's important to know that the traditional role of a chief of staff is that of a gatekeeper. there is a well-known book on chiefs of staff, called the gatekeepers. but meadows in many ways was the exact opposite. he was a gay opener as it were, to the president into the west wing. it was very clear that he was sort of this conduit in the hub, or conspiracy theories for misinformation. and for the people who were peddling that. at a certain point, we reported that people in the presidents orbit, who sort of felt a little uncomfortable with this, that wasn't all of them, but there were some. who said after the election was called, they started distancing themselves with the administration. the common refrain came, go talk to meadows. they knew meadows was the type of person who, at the very least would be a sounding board and listen to this. in some cases, as we have documented, he would pass it on. there were senior administration officials who would get with they would say problematic voice mails from these conspiracy theories. the voice mails would begin hey, meadows gave me or number and told me to call. that was the role that meadows was playing. it was last chief of staff and chief enabler. >> you lay this really well out in the piece. i want to sort of read from part of it. i think this is key. michael pillsbury who is a trump advisor, says meadows was eager to present a new theory of election fraud in the oval office. knowing trump was hungry for the tidbits that would let him claim victory. he was trying to please the president. he was living and breathing to please trump. we know ashley, when you talk about this cape keeper, take a step back, everyone in the world wants to get to the president of the united states. with the bill they want. with the tax cut they want. right, everyone. the chief of staff is the bouncer who says that you can't coming here. because otherwise it is madness. and you get people talking to the president. that's like i have this theory that this italian satellite beamed into the voting machine and hoovered out a bunch of votes. in fact, that is the kind of totally not saying that we have mark meadows emailing the justice department about. to look into. yes, that is correct. in some way it was to polls. in some ways, mark meadows is a bit of a conspiracy theorist himself. we told other people that he actually believed that there may be some merit to the idea that there was actually foreign interference in the election. and that, in terms of the russian misinformation but also in italian defense switching votes from trump to biden. which i should be clear. that did not. happen he was open to bits of this. and the other part was that again, he was trying to please, then president trump. and what trump wanted was to hear these things. you also mentioned john kelly, they clashed. john kelly said he's going to call the president and got the switching at the board. >> right. >> and meadows again wanted to do with the president wanted. and maybe in the west wing they would see this as a star wars style bar that ever wanted to come in and get to the president. >> yes, you have sydney powell and michael flynn come in. we sought all. the cameras caught them going in with their presentations. whatever the craziness of the day. was luke broadwater and ashley parker, both respective pieces for today. >> if you watch this show last night you saw my interview with two of the organizers of the january 6th rally. who are not cooperating with the investigation. there was a lot in that interview. but there was one specific moment that i want to return to about pardons. again, we are going to talk about that later. and the news that one of the participants planned to plead the fifth. e fifth. ♪ ♪ 'tis the season to break tradition in a cadillac. don't just put on a light show—be the light show. make your nights anything but silent. and ride in a sleigh that really slays. because in a cadillac, tradition is yours to define. so visit a cadillac showroom, and start celebrating today. ♪ ♪ back in october, journalist hunter walker first reported on an alleged a blanket offer made by republican congressman paul gosar, to a pair of conservative activists who started the organization, we build the wall. you may recall, that is an organization which raised tens of millions of dollars from trump supporters in order to privately fund a portion of privately constructed border wall. congressman gorsuch chief of staff implied that if this pair of organizers continue to staging rallies for donald trump around the country, including the huge ellipse rally on january 6th, that would help their chances of getting a pardon. they didn't say that explicitly but the two were talked about in the same conversation. earlier this week, they revealed those conversation to distance stockton and jennifer lawrence. they are not cooperating with the january six investigation. dustin basically confirmed the core facts. >> you had a conversation with paul gosar chief of staff, right? >> we did talk. >> right. and he said that paul gosar had been talking to the president specifically about pardons. >> correct, yes. >> so in a conversation with you in which he is pressing your work organizing the rallies, he also tells you that the congressman had a conversation with the president of united states about pardons, correct? >> yes, that did happen. >> okay. >> tic-tac-toe. there you go. they have called the claim false and defamatory. adding that the allegations came from people i have never met. which is clearly not true. here is congressman gosar in a photo with the pair. maybe he doesn't remember it. they have not been charged of any crimes but we should note in the general sense that pushing pardon is not outside of the norm for coast guard. gosar himself admitted that he wrote a letter in support of a pardon for steve bannon. in august 2020, steepening was arrested and charged with embezzlement with some of the money he duped trump's base into donating for the we build the wall project. and donald trump did go on to pardoning him in the 24 hours as president. that pardon did not sit well with one dustin stockton. >> of course, trump pardons the one guy of the guys who were indicted who has all the money and political connections to fight it. the triple amputee war hero who wasn't a lawyer, wasn't a political active. he started it and brought people like steve bannon and chris kovacs and we feel really bad about that at this point, but we brought them in to protect bryan as he did this project. and yet the one person who still got the charges, brian in particular, got left out to dry. >> donald trump left someone out to dry? oh my god. that guy by the way, brian, is facing up to 20 years in prison. he didn't get a pardon. another person pardon by donald trump was also subpoenaed by the committee investigating the insurrection is roger stone. he is set to appear before the committee tomorrow where he reportedly plans to invoke his fifth amendment rights. daniel goldman serve does leave majority counsel in the first impeachment as an assistant. he joins me now. >> first of all, the context that we are talking about pardons and we're talking about stone, is pretty remarkable. here is a guy who basically gets his sentence commuted in the fall in the run up to the election. essentially sprung from donald trump effectively. to go out and to get back doing whatever he was up to. he is around january six, we know that. he is in d.c. there is pictures of him meeting with people. we do not know the level of his involvement. and then he gets a pardon. a full pardon subsequent to that. and in that itself is a fairly remarkably corrupt fact pattern before you even get anything else. >> we were saying at the time, chris, i was talking to you about what a corrupt effort it was by donald trump. and roger stone admitted. it when he got the commutation of his sentence, he said that donald trump knows what i know. and i didn't talk. it was implicit if not explicit that he was receiving this pardon in return for not cooperating. now, what are we looking at with steve bannon in this case as things are unfolding? steve bannon was involved in the planning for january six. it puts a slightly different gloss on the pardon that bannon received a couple of weeks after january six before donald trump left office. so we know that he is willing and able to do this for his cronies. because he did it with roger stone. and then he did it again with steve bannon. i wonder to what degree that influence that steve bannon has to defy the subpoena from the january six committee has on him. i have no information on that but once you start to see patterns that someone as corrupt as donald trump is in the mix with all of this power, it is not a far leap to think that that may had have something to do with it. >> he is saying he's going to plead the fifth. let me read this piece that msnbc accomplished, and a non criminal proceeding, the implication of privilege limited to those circumstances in which the person invoking the privilege reasonably believes that it can be used in a criminal prosecution or can lead to other evidence that could be so used. but of course in practice if that is the sort of law in practice, you have an absolute right not to answer questions under the fifth amendment. >> you don't have an absolute right just not to answer questions. you have to believe that the answer to those questions may tend to incriminate you. the problem is in what a lot of witnesses will say is i don't know where your investigation is unfolding. i don't know what other people are saying. so i don't know how you will use what i say and so therefore it could incriminate me in a way that i can't anticipate. so they brought in out the scope of the fifth amendment. but the thing that jumps out at me about taking the fifth amendment and john eastman, the lawyer, is also reportedly going to do that is that it is somewhat of a admission that there could be something of a criminal nature wrapped up in this. >> that just then leads to the question of what is going on with the department of justice. if these people are going to take the fifth in front of the january six committee and therefore they aren't going to get their testimony, they are taking the fifth because they think that there is something criminal foot here. there may be, not that there necessarily is, but that it could incriminate you with the department of justice. not with the january six committee. so, it jumps out at them that it may be something that is a little bit bigger than a congressional committee and may need to be looked at by the department of justice. >> i think that is true part of this. the other thing i would say is that it's really important that the jury instructions are a bedrock principle of american criminal procedure. just do not draw an adverse conclusion by the failure of a defendant to testify on their own behalf. that is incredibly important in sacrosanct. we want to make sure that that right is there for a reason in the bill of rights. but that does an extent to how we publicly proceed these people. your reputation is not governed by constitutional law. if you, john eastman, want to say that i am a humble law professor but i think that i have some criminal exposure, everyone gets to draw their own conclusion about the measure of the man that is john eastman. i think. >> you can extend that even further. first of all, if you want to know what it means to take the fifth amendment just ask donald trump wants famously said only crooks take the fifth. but for someone, while there is no one like john eastman, while there is no -- in a criminal proceeding there could be some inner civil proceeding. that happens a law because if you take the fifth then in a civil proceeding they can assume them what you would have to say would not be helpful to you. but john eastman, as another problem, he is and has his bar license. if you take the fifth you are indicating that something you say could incriminate you. and that is going to get him in trouble with his state bar association. >> daniel goldman, as always great pleasure, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, have you noticed the weather? december heat wave, massive storms an outbreak of deadly tornado. the unbelievable scenes unfolding all across the country, next. country, next. relieve pressure points. and its temperature balancing so you both sleep just right. don't miss our weekend special. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, 0% interest for 48 months. ends monday. >> people are confirmed dead ♪ ♪ ♪ aloha! isn't this a cozy little room? sorry your vacation request took so long to get approved, so you missed out on the suite special. but lucky for you, they had this. when employees are forced to wait for vacation request approvals,it can really cramp their style. i'm gonna leave you to it. um, just— with paycom, employees enter and manage their own hr data in a 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weather, that we have never seen this late in the season. >> we are talking record warm temperatures, it's also going to be coming with a lot of wind. >> a historic storm system. iowa in particular. their highest non thunderstorm wind gust and warmest december day on record. on the same day. we are in the middle of december. >> quite a december day, one we haven't seen in history here. pretty intense storm system. >> record high temperatures. our high today is 63 degrees. keep in mind the previous record was 52, set back in 1923. 1923 was 98 years ago. >> they broke up by 11 degrees. 11 degrees. 63 degrees in september. showing advisories, watches and warnings for colorado on wednesday. you've got snow, wind, fire, avalanche and blowing gusts across the state. almost feels like an onion graphic. that is the actual cbs denver warning. about what is going on in the state. and that is increasingly extreme reality. we have course, should not be seeing tornadoes whipping through the midwest in december. or temperatures in the 60 in minnesota and new york. that is not normal. none of it is. but that is the reality of our present and future as we continue to live with the impacts of a rapidly changing climate. rachel cleat us, the policy director of the climate director. -- >> rachel, i want to start with a wood on earth. for a long time, i think there was a lot of trying to get to people of things changing. because of the way we perceive climate, because it slow, it took a while. but i think when you see this, we've reached kind of a tipping point in awareness. where everybody understands, that if it is 55 degrees and st. paul minnesota in december. something is deeply wrong. >> scientists have been warning us about this for decades. that as our carbon emissions from burning fossil fuels increase in the atmosphere, they are leading to these temperature increases. and as temperatures rise, we are going to start to see really extreme sides of weather. the unfortunate reality is that those warnings are now coming true all around us. wherever you live in the country, this year, you have seen some kind of extreme weather. whether it is the wildfires in california. the extreme drought that gripped much of the southwest, and the midwest. hurricane ida that swept through from louisiana, all the way up to new york in new jersey. casting a deadly path of destruction. the heat waves that we have seen. record heat waves. in many parts of the country, including the southwest. this is just unprecedented. it is abnormal. we should never get numb to this. because it is taking a deadly toll. we have seen thousands of people died this year because of weather related disasters. whether it was the extreme heat waves that we've seen in the pacific northwest. or people who died because of hurricane ida. the heat, the storm, the deadly rain that came with hurricane ida. and what we need to understand about this, is that none of this would have happened without our human caused emissions that are fueling and driving climate change. climate change is here. it's now, and we are all experiencing. >> one thing i think about this, and you know i agree, we have covered extreme weather on the show. one thing, in the last few days. that feels distinctly uncanny and kind of on science fiction. in other cases, you have particularly severe wildfire season. we know wildfire seasons happen. and that the wildfire season might extend. severe drought. this feels so fundamentally wrong. opposed to an intensification of the phenomenon we are used to. which is like hurricanes come through the gulf in the fall. tornadoes in december just feels like wildly off the map wrong. this kind of constellation of weather that we are seeing. at almost visceral level. it feels even more surreal than some of the other weather disasters that we have seen. >> the reality is that climate change is coming at us and so many different kind of. ways they are colliding. we don't get to experience this as one single thing happening in one place at one time. we are seeing them collide in time. this is what we can expect even more of. if we fail to contain our heat trapping emissions. we do still have choices. it is critical that we embrace them now. because we can see that the alternative, we are just a little over degrees celsius temperature increase. since industrial times. this is already our reality. we cannot take this risk much more further. >> one of the lessons of the pandemic right, is that moving early is better than moving lay. the window for move early, has essentially closed. we have a 550 billion dollar climate investment. which is insufficient to the task. but would be the largest ever. in the country's history. >> absolutely. >> sitting in the bbb bill. which has now been kick to next year. i don't know any other creative way of saying. we absolutely need to pass this. but we just absolutely. >> we have to embrace this. we have to grasp this opportunity. so that build back better act that you mentioned. it includes many prevention's that would help kickstart a clean energy. one that we desperately need. we need to get off fossil fuels. we need to embrace wind, solar, electric vehicles. more electric charging infrastructure. we need to do this in ways that every community benefits. a lot of communities have been left behind in the past. black and brown communities. indigenous communities. we need to make sure that we are doing this in a fair way, that benefits communities everywhere in the country. creating good paying union jobs as we do it. that huge opportunity is there. with the build back better bill. let's jump and get it. right now, what we have is a congress that seemed so dysfunctional. we have an entire party that is sitting on the sidelines. as this really important opportunity. let's remember, climate change is affecting red states and blue states. it is not a partisan issue. >> it is coming for everyone. basically, 50 u.s. senators 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tiered wage system. which offers lower pay and fewer benefits to newer workers. this is fairly common in a lot of places. it's a way of kind of breaking up the solidarity between the two groups. last week members of the union rejected a tentative contract negotiated by the year own union. today senator bernie sanders of vermont wrote this opinion piece for fox news. titled kellogg strikes, workers must get our support. in the first line of the police he announced his plans head to one of those striking plants in battle creek michigan tomorrow. we got news that the union has reached another tentative deal. this means members will meet tomorrow to discuss the deal and bow on the new proposal on sunday. senator bernie sanders, the chair of the senate budget committee joins us now. good to have you on senator. why do you feel this is important enough to go out to battle creek tomorrow for? >> because it is a struggle against the kind of corporate greed chris, that we are seeing all over this country. it is the same old story. this is a company that last year made 1. 4 billion dollars in profit. a company that can afford to provide $12 million in compensation to its ceo. and meanwhile, the reason it made this money is because during the pandemic these workers unbelievably, they were working 50, 60, 70 days a in a row. sometimes 12 hours a day, in order to feed america. i talked to a guy there who worked 120 days in a row. can you imagine that? that is totally insane. these workers literally put their well-being, their families, their lives on the line, in order to feed america. in order to keep the company going. and then the company's response was to the strike, well we are going to cut all of your health care benefits. so you've got workers out there with no health insurance now. we are going to bring in replacement workers. we have worked for me for your whole life, maybe your dad, maybe your mom worked for me, that's the case then. people have devoted their whole lives to kellogg's and now they are prepared to replace them. and then on top of that, they are planning to ship 275 more jobs to their plant in mexico, with a starting wage is 97 cents an hour. so, what kellogg's is doing. the rich get richer. ceo does fine. dividends are high. and yet, workers are giving up their lives in many respects. i don't know what it is like to work 120 days in a row. >> i want to just emphasize something that you said there. i think it's an important part of the story. it's the same old story, in many ways the same old story. there's something new here. which is, a year and a half ago, when the whole world, literally the entire world, billions of people were essentially on stay-at-home orders. millions of people in this country, people would go to the grocery store once a week to feed their family, when you couldn't go out and do anything. and there was food in the aisles. and the reason there was food in the aisles was because there were workers at the grocery stores who are showing up every day in a midst of a pandemic and at the other end of that supply chain, in battle creek michigan, or wherever, there are people in the factory day in and day out in the midst of the pandemic. making sure that food got made. this is literally those people who fled the country during the pandemic. >> they are. they were called appropriately so, heroes. these are heroes feeding us. working insane hours. and now because they want better wages, they want to end this disastrous two tier wage system, by which younger workers earn substantially lower wages and benefits than older workers. these workers are standing up for their younger generation. real solidarity. doing exactly the right thing. the company responds in an incredibly abrasive and outrageous way. i am proud. these people are really heroes and hero winds. they are incredibly courageous. what they are fighting against, that type of corporate greed. is what we are seeing all over this country. during the pandemic, when thousands of workers died because they had to go to work. in order to feed their families. the billionaire class made huge of months of money. so i am proud to stand with these workers in their union tomorrow. you are standing inside the capitol where i her your voice reverberating off of the marble. i have to ask you as well about that the end of the year with the build back better agenda passing out of the senate. there are multiple interpretations of the ongoing conversations with joe biden and joe manchin. president joe biden and co president joe manchin, about whether this is going to happen. i guess there's two ways to interpret it. one is that joe manchin is essentially acting in bad faith and kicking the can until it can die. the other is, the fact he is still talking, the fact he is still engaging on details, means that there is an actual negotiation ongoing. and which of those two are your interpretation? >> let me just say this. and i hope everybody in america understands it. you've got 50 people in the republican caucus. we have gotten no support from them to lower the cost of prescription drugs. to expand medicare. to include dental, hearing, eyeglasses, no support from them. for childcare, for housing, which is all in this build back better plan. no support to deal with the existential threat of climate change. you've got 50 republicans who are not prepared to do anything for the environment and working families. you've got 48 people in the democratic caucus who are prepared and a president of the united states prepared to think big. and you have two democrats who in my view, are kind of acting like republicans. to me, i respect other peoples points of view. but i do not respect the arrogance of any member of the senate who says, you know what, i'm going to torpedo this entire bill. supported overwhelmingly by the american people. who are sick and tired of paying outrageously high prices for prescription drugs. sick and tired of seeing billionaires not paying their fair share of taxes. tired of seeing people sleeping out on the street. kids and families not being able to enjoy decent quality childcare and affordable costs. and you've got two people saying, you know wet, if you don't do it my way, i don't care what the president wants, i don't care a 48 of my colleagues wants, it's my way or the highway. that i regard as arrogance. you can disagree, look i have disagreements, as you well know. you fight for your ideas. but you don't say my way or the highway. that i feel very strongly about. >> well we will see where we end up, whether we are on the highway or not. senator bernie sanders, headed or to michigan creek tomorrow. thank you for making time for us, appreciate it. >> thank you chris. >> thanks for joining us this, how happy to have you here. a lot of news breaking late in the day. it started off as a normal news day, but then things got busy late in the afternoon and into this evening. in the midst of this supreme court-led juggernaut against abortion rights, this near certainty that their forthcoming ruling on a case they just heard is going to be the ruling that overturns roe versus wade, tonight we got a big announcement from the fda. tonight the fda announced a new rule change around abortion pills. now, it used to be the case that if you wanted to have a

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