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killer tornados continues. we start tonight with that developing news from capitol hill. just a few hours ago, the january 6th committee unanimously voted to refer trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows to the full house for criminal contempt. the vote comes on the heels of the new bomb shell revelations found in the very e-mails and text messages meadows himself exchanged before and on january 6th. committee members were taking pains tonight to point out the pivotal role meadows played. >> mr. meadows put himself in this situation. he must now accept the consequences. >> it certainly appears that mr. meadows played a key role in events that culminated in the violent attack on the capitol and on our democracy. >> mark meadows has committed a crime. in this case, a premeditated one. no one is above the law. not even a former president's chief of staff. >> i expect the justice department to move as swiftly in dealing with mr. meadows as it did with mr. bannon, and prosecute him for violating the law and his duty as a citizen. >> the new information was detailed in documents that meadows had already handed over before he decided to stop cooperating with the investigation, claiming executive privilege. among the new revelations, we learned mr. meadows, participated in meetings and calls during which the participants reportedly discussed the need to fight back against mounting evidence of purported voter fraud. meadows also sent an e-mail to an unnamed person saying the national guard would be present to protect pro trump people. committee members tonight shared text messages that meadows' former colleagues were sending from inside the capitol building pleading with the white house to intervene. pleas that went ignored. >> for 187 minutes, president trump refused to act. when action by our president was required, essential, and indeed compelled by his oath to our constitution, mr. meadows received numerous text messages which he has produced without any privilege claim imploring that mr. trump take the specific action we all knew his duty required. these text messages leave no doubt, the white house knew exactly what was happening here at the capitol. one text mr. meadows received said quote, we are under siege here at the capitol. another quote they have breached the capitol. in a third, mark, protesters are literally storming the capitol. breaking windows on doors, rushing in. is trump going to say something? >> well, it turns out that trump's own family and friends over at fox news were begging the president to take a stand against the ongoing violence. >> indeed, according to the records, multiple fox news hosts knew the president needed to act immediately. they texted mr. meadows, and he has turned over those texts. quote, mark, the president needs to tell people in the capitol to go home. this is hurting all of us. he is destroying his legacy. laura ingraham wrote. please get him on tv. destroying everything you have accomplished, brian kilme texted. quote, can he make a statement? ask people to leave the capitol, sean hannity urged. as the violence continued, one of the president's sons texted mr. meadows, quote he's got to condemn this shit asap. the capitol police tweet is not enough donald trump jr. texted. >> meadows sat down with sean hannity who was among those urging trump to call off his supporters. no mention of the text messages, but meadows did try to argue the committee is over stepping. >> if we look at senior officials, chiefs of staff and those senior to the president of the united states, compelling them to come in and testify and what we're seeing now, there's lots of jurisprudence and legal opinions and law that would suggest that that's not something that should be in the purview of congress. >> the full house is expected to vote on the committee's recommendation tomorrow night. should it pass, it will then be up to the justice department to file charges. another former trump insider, steve bannon already of course faces two counts of contempt of congress. his trial scheduled to begin in july. there is also a grim update tonight on that severe weather that devastated a huge swath of our country friday night. dozens of tornadoes tore across nine different states, and in kentucky alone, at least 74 people are dead. another 109 unaccounted for. governor andy beshear described the frantic search for survivors earlier today. >> we have over 300 guardsmen that are active. they are out in our communities. they are doing everything from going door to door, though in many of these communities we don't have doors anymore. they're going rubble to rubble, searching hopefully for survivors but otherwise to have certainty to families that we can advise them of their loss. >> president biden is scheduled to tour the devastation on wednesday. meanwhile, nbc news is reporting that several employees inside that candle factory in mayfield, kentucky, were warned they'd be fired if they evacuated, even as tornado sirens were blaring. >> i remember everything,s first alarm going off, they called us back to do roll call, and didn't finish it. sent us back to work. >> did anybody give you the option to go home after the first alarm. >> the entire building was leveled. these are before and after pljs of the factory. at least eight people lost their lives. company officials are denying workers were threatened and insist safety protocols were followed. >> by the time you know that that's going to come, you don't -- it's such a gamble to say leave. the last thing, don't get in your car, that's what experts say. >> finally tonight, in the seemingly endless battle against covid, the united states has passed yet more grim milestones. the coronavirus death toll in this country has now surpassed 800,000 americans, more than 50 million have been infected. and "the new york times" reporting today one in 100 older americans over the age of 65 have died from the virus. with that, let's bring in our leadoff guests on this monday night, ashley parker, pulitzer prize winning bureau chief with the "washington post." sam stein, white house editor for politico, and former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. she hosts the podcast sisters-in-law along with joy wine banks, and joist mcquaid. joyce vance, what was your take away from all that we have heard from the committee today? >> the biggest take away came during liz cheney's statement. it was clear that she was trying to really speak to the justice department and explain why meadows should be prosecuted. many people had thought that steve bannon was in a category of one with his flagrant failure to comply with the subpoena. cheney makes a very compelling case. she says, you know, with meadows there were some issues where he asserted privilege, and didn't turn over documents, but that's not what this vote tonight is about. she said the vote is about areas and she defined three categories where meadows concedes that there's no privilege where he turned over documents and he simply refuses to come and testify. she makes this compelling case, where trump failed to act as rioters stormed the capitol, the efforts to change votes in states like georgia and this plan that was afoot to change doj's leadership after doj failed to perpetuate the big lie, and agree that there was voter fraud in the 2020 election. this is the case that she's making to doj, telling them that they should go ahead and prosecute, and frankly, chris, it was an awfully compelling case. >> and there are a lot of people on the outside, clearly we know now, ashley parker, a long list of people writing to mark meadows, imploring him to get trump to get control of the situation, to get the insurrectionists to stop those texts that liz cheney read through today. also, more of them from these unidentified lawmakers. this is quite a trove of information released by the committee. >> it sure is. we had a little sense of that before, but this now gives us more specifics, right, that these fox news channel hosts were reaching out to meadows that trump's own son, donald trump jr. reached out to him, which is for another issue just striking window into the family dynamic, that the eldest son would feel like he had to go through the chief of staff. and of course another question that i think everyone would want to know from meadows is when he gets these texts, he's telling the people, yes, i'm trying to get him to make a statement, i understand, but, a, did meadows actually do that because he has a history of being fairly dishonest, and telling people what they want to hear but not actually acting on it, and if he even did do that, we don't know that he heeded those warnings, what was the then president's reaction. what did trump say when meadows passed on some of these warnings and calls for desperate calls for help, if indeed, meadows did do that. you can see why the committee wants a lot of questions answers, and they also any questions. >> sam stein, meadows said that in fact he told sean hannity he had no criminal intent but clearly what members of the committee that he uniquely knows again is what did he do with those texts, who did he talk to, did he go to the president, and what was the response to it? >> yeah, meadows kind of has the worst of all worlds here. he turned over incriminating text messages, and then asked to have those communications be privileged. i don't know why it would happen like that. it does paint the picture of a chief of staff who could have intervened and the question that ashley raises is did he or did he not do it. two things, one is the journalistic mal practice of fox news hosts privately trying to advise a person they cover on a specific path forward, and subsequently on their own programs, down playing the severity of the night, even though they themselves were privately worried about it. that's one, and two is just that everyone sort of recognized that trump had a role to play in tamping down what was happening at the capitol. even his chief boosters, the people who are his chief apologists in the media, his son, and chief of staff all recognize implicitly that he had a role to play in tamping down what was going on, and trump didn't. i don't know what that means from a criminal perspective or a legal perspective but from a political perspective, that strikes me as very damaging. it shows that all of these people were waiting for the president to act, and he did not in that moment. >> let's look at the legality of it. daniel goldman tweeted this today, the time for mark meadows to hide behind executive privilege was before he turned over documents. the law is clear, one he must appear to make an executive privilege claim, and two, he can not make any executive privilege claim about the subject matter in documents he has already turned over. no backsies on ep. mark meadows lawyer did argue he's protected by executive privilege, who's right? >> dan is of course right, there are no backsies on privilege, and once you have turned over documents saying explicitly that they're not privileged, it's sort of game over. there is apparently an entire category of documents where meadows' lawyers submitted what's called a privilege log. they identified the documents and set forth what sort of privilege they were asserting in those documents. so let's leave that aside for the moment, and talk just about what was turned over. it was turned over without an assertion of privilege. at some point apparently on the same day that meadows' book is published, he decides it's no longer a good idea for him to show up. none of this is behaving in a forthright, honest manner with the committee, and that's what's under discussion here. the question is whether or not meadows is engaging in contempt of congress. and by failing to testify about material that he himself is the one who turned over to the committee, told them it wasn't privileged, nothing could really be clearer than those earlier statements that he's now trying to roll back. >> and the question overall, sam stein, of what's the most important thing, is it upholding the constitution, is it backing up your friends, i mean, mark meadows used to be trump's biggest supporter in congress. we know that, but he was in congress. >> right. >> having said that, do you think it's all shocking he apparently did so little to protect the institution and his former colleagues inside who seem to be begging him to get them help? >> no. it's not shocking at all. both for people who know mark meadows, but also for the current era of politics that we're in. i mean, what i just said is -- and is that we had a whole host of fox news hosts who privately clearly thought that this was a problematic moment for the republic, and wanted the president to intervene, and then in subsequent down played the significance of it. >> and our producer's viewing didn't mention their role at all or any of the texts that were sent. >> exactly. and i don't expect them to either because that's just the political age we're in. meadows in prior congresses with the democratic administration surely would have taken the position that members of congress have a constitutional obligation to conduct oversight as well as authority to obtain the records of the executive branch unless there are certain issues of privilege at play. now of course he's not in that position. he's arguing the other side of the coin. so i'm not surprised at all. this is just the reality we're in, and there's only a few people who let principle drive them these days, and mark meadows, clearly not one of them. >> to understate ashley parker, joe biden has a lot on his plate, he's trying to get his agenda passed, he has a resurgent pandemic, you have a huge portion of the country coping with an unimaginable disaster. in this moment, how is the white house responding, and figuring out how to deal with all of these multiple challenges? >> well, if you just take the tornados, this is very sort of natural way, any traditional way to respond, but especially someone like president biden who is sort of so empathetic, and so sort of what we think of as a consoler in chief in these moments, so i was with him on saturday in wilmington when he made, you know, unscheduled remarks to talk about it. and it came through there, he really believes this is not about democrats or republicans. he will do absolutely anything it takes to help those communities get back on their feet. that visit wednesday in his eyes is very much in a political visit. now, for the other stuff, you know, he's doing everything he can. he had this call with senator manchin, the problem is president biden is not an arms whisperer, not someone to bring down the hammer, and with senator manchin who trump won the state by 40 points, it's not clear that would be particularly effective anyhow. he's trying to negotiate with him in good faith on some of these other things. they have passed infrastructure. it was a while ago but that big covid relief bill. they're working onramping up more testing and getting the covid pill ready, and americans to get vaccinated and to get boosters. some of this is trying to do what they can, and also waiting for that gap with what they say and what they believe they have really done which they are proud of and the result, which people aren't feeling right now because they're not back to normal with covid, and inflation, those tangible things that people feel is very bad. >> ashley parker, sam stein, joyce vance, thanks to all of you. senate democrats searching for a way around the obstacle in west virginia that ashley just mentioned as they try to wrap up the president's build back better package in time for christmas. then, later, why hospitals in one state are buying full-page newspaper ads and why their pleas may still be ignored. we'll check back with an e.r. doctor on the covid front lines. 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spoke with president biden about his build back better package. the white house called the conversation constructive but manchin has yet to support the president's roughly $2 trillion bill. so far senator manchin remains a pivotal obstacle in advancing that legislation and senate majority leader chuck schumer's deadline to pass the bill is fast approaching. >> the work is not yet finished but we're working hard to put the senate in a position to get the legislation across the finish line before christmas. >> we welcome back don callaway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund, and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, former lieutenant governor of maryland, also host of the michael steele podcast. good to see you. don, the good news is biden and manchin are still talking. the bad news for democrats anyway is manchin's very public concerns about rising debt, about the cost of the proposal. do you think the question now is how much are both sides willing to move on the scope of this package? where are we? >> i don't think that's the question, actually. the question is not how much are democrats willing to move. the question is when is the president, and when is the senate majority leader going to act like -- when are they going to stop joe manchin from this vice grip he has the entire party and frankly the entire congress in. they cannot let one person stymy entire progress around climate action, around sustainability, around gun control, and that's effectively what joe manchin is doing, and it's so fundamentally disingenuous, he didn't ask about price or cbo score or affordability when it came to a trillion dollar defense spending bill which we passed last week which has absolutely nothing to do with things that we will currently use or in the future use to defend our country. it's a job creation bill, just like everything else he wants to pass. joe manchin is holding on to some idyllic notion of spending and not expanding the welfare state when the reality is he's hurting folks right in appalachia who need the help more than anybody. it's really time that chuck schumer and frankly the president acted like bosses and got joe manchin out of the way by using the awesome power of the incentives and the power of the purse they have to make him fall in line with everybody else. >> you know, michael steele, that frustration we just heard from our friend is repeated by an awful lot of democrats. and white house press secretary jen psaki was asked about senator manchin's inflation concerns. look, he is the center of this conversation. here's how she responded. >> nobel laureates who have conveyed this will help address inflation over the long-term. people who are looking, planning, looking at their budgets for next year, maybe the first quarter of next year, the first half of next year, and trying to figure out how to pay for child care, trying to figure out how to make sure they can put food on the table, and this build back better plan will help lower costs for people across the country. >> not sure, though, michael steele how likely those arguments are to ease manchin's economic anxiety. >> no, they're not going to ease his economic anxiety, and they are legitimate questions and legitimate arguments to make about how much money we've spent since 2016/2017. and if you go back to, you know, the early days of the obama administration coming out of the economic downturn and the money that was used to infuse the economy then, there's been a lot of money that has been spent. the question is, okay, what ultimately is the impact, so from a fiscal standpoint, and that's a legitimate concern, and there's also the political realities of what happens if you play the short game of trying to avoid ticking off manchin, and trying to avoid, you know, appeasing the far extremes in your party on the left while staring at the possibility of, you know, speaker, you know, jim jordan, and majority leader, you know, mcconnell. and so the reality of it is, if you don't get something done, that latter part becomes your reality, regardless of the economics. and then you're in a whole different space. you will have achieved nothing. so don is exactly right. when you look at the balance of the politics and the economics, you're going to have the economic solutions to deal with inflation, which, you know, you can deal with first quarter, second quarter next year. you're going to have the economic solutions to deal with the impact overall in the economy, but there is no solution on the political front, if you don't confront the reality that's staring in front of you with the filibuster or other measures that you have like don noted to pull manchin, reign him in to get him in line with the president's agenda. >> look at don realistically where we are, and leader schumer has less that two weeks to meet his self-imposed goal to move the legislation. if this gets moved to 2022, the midterm year, it is exponentially harder to get it done. to you buy that conventional wisdom and if so how much harder. >> 1,000%. if this doesn't happen before december 31st at midnight or january 3rd, when the new congressional year begins, it does not happen. going into next year is a do nothing year. neither leader in either chamber want to subject their members to the difficult votes in advance of midterm elections, and then members are going home to campaign, members are going home to make the cases for why they should be reelected and frankly, no one wants to risk their position by giving the other side a little talking point. so the year of the actual midterm is very much a do-nothing year in congress, and i think that's important for people to keep in mind as you're looking at the cadence of how public office actually works. next year is pretty much a do nothing year. i would also suggest, though, since we haven't done anything to reform the filibuster, and we haven't passed any iteration of the voting rights bill, we can see extraordinary payoffs at the ballot box, because we haven't done anything to change the hodgepodge mismatch of voter suppression laws. we are headed toward political disaster, and a functional do nothing congress in 2022, and i don't see that changing with substantiative bills passing in the next 12 days, and the company have done nothing to reign in the clown show that is joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. >> don callaway, and michael steele have agreed to stay with us, a shout out to ksu and all the folks in kentucky, we're thinking about you tonight. when it comes to the twice impeached former guy, who better to define the power he still hold over his power than the woman who once soundly defeated him in the popular vote. when "the 11th hour" continues. . when "the 11th hour" continues like the splash they create the way they exaggerate the surprises they initiate. otezla. it's a choice you can make. otezla is not an 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>> you know, that's been the challenge from the very very beginning. across the board, but then when you begin to look at it, i think mrs. clinton has her finger on an important pulse, and that is the leadership within the republican ranks that have appeased and explained and excused and all of this behavior, we're watching right now, you know, just prime example of it by mark meadows, who writes this book, and he in it, you know, exposes trump, and the threat he was to the health of those around him by his recklessness with covid, and then when trump calls him out about printing that in the book, yeah, my book is basically fake news. you just sit there and you go, okay, this is the level that we're dealing with. so it's hard when you need both parties, because that's all we've got right now, unfortunately it's just two parties, right, that are pulling in different directions. one pulling toward democracy, the other pulling away from it. it is hard to move the american people in large swaths, and that's the difficulty right now. in the past, despite our political disagreements, you know this, you've covered it as a journalist, and talk about it on your show. you know, in the past, we all pulled in the same direction because we believe fundamentally in this experiment, and the founding institutions that help us govern it. that's no longer the case. >> now you're in a situation where, i mean, everything changes every minute, it isn't just that mark meadows decided that he was going to disavow his own book. then he follows that up with deciding he's not going to cooperate with the committee after giving them all of that paperwork, right, so look, don, i'm sure you saw this, what i thought was an alarming headline from charles blow and his "new york times" column, this is his latest column, we're edging closer to civil war and as an example, he drew parallels between the abortion fight and slavery 200 years ago in that they're both about sub you gas statio -- subjugation, all of us should be very worried about what we're seeing with these abortion cases, not just women and relatives of friend of women who might need them, we should worry about whether or not we are at an inflection point for an age of regression. don, do you think that maybe we're already at that point? >> oh, we very much are, and brother blow is correct, and he's saying some uncomfortable phrase, particularly two word we don't want to use lightly, civil war because we have been through that in this country, but unfortunately that's pretty much where we are. listen, let's have a serious talk about root cause analysis, politics aside. there's a woman and two black women on this panel, this country is founded on an idea that neither of the three of us would have been able to participate in open dialogue, let alone governance, and leadership in this country. we are moving to a place where actuarial that we're moving to a place where we will be a majority nonwhite country in a very short period of time and we are already there in many places in this country. so the question is are the institutions that set up this country willing to fight to preserve a space in which neither of the three of us are fundamentally allowed to participate? what we saw on january 6th is the extent to which people are willing to go to preserve a white male hetero sexist pray -- patriarchy. it has never been a fair and equitable place. are we going to embrace multiracial multicultural democracy or fight to preserve a place where everyone is not allowed to participate. we see one party pushing for the multiracial democracy of inclusion, we see another party pushing for the preservation of white male supremacists hetero sexist patriarchy, i think civil war is a jarring term to hear. we are definitely at an inflection point at that fork in the road, and i don't have a whole lot of faith that within the two party system we're all pushing in the same direction. >> yeah, and charles acknowledges that, and i encourage people to read the entire column, and get the context, but thank you, don callaway, michael steele, appreciate seeing both of you tonight. and coming up, we're going to get an update from an indiana e.r. doc on the situation in his hospital as states all around the country report an alarming increase in covid hospitalizations when the 11th hour continues. d hospitalizations when the 11th hour continues at intra-cellular therapies, we're inspired by our circle. a circle that includes our researchers, driven by our award-winning science, who uncover new medicines to treat mental illness. it includes the compassionate healthcare professionals, the dedicated social workers, and the supportive peer counselors we work with to help improve - and even change - people's lives. moving from mental illness to mental wellness starts in our circle. this is intra-cellular therapies. feel stuck with credit card debt? 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>> for sure. yeah, that's been the kats for a -- case for a lot of our population from the jump. it's really difficult. pandemic fatigue has set in 18 months ago, right, and we're still doing this, and it's setting in for me. it's setting in for my family, and you know, the adjustment of risk is not a zero sum game, right, so these gen z kids, they know, they can look at the statistics. they're not stupid, and they see, hey, in general, we do pretty well, and they're electing to manage their risk as they do. the problem becomes is we have a lot of 60, 70-year-old people who both don't get vaccinated continue to deny that covid is a real thing until they land in my emergency department sucking wind and looking surprised, like it's still a surprise. >> when we see a number, one out of every hundred americans over 65 has been killed by covid, you just wonder, what is it going to take to make people sit up and take notice? i mean, "time" magazine called vaccine scientists, the 2021 heroes of the year. i'm not disputing that, but, you know, they and you have to be looking at it and saying, yeah, but if people still refuse to get vaccinated and wear masks, where does that leave us? >> right. you know, evolutionarily, this virus was perfect. it kills a whole lot of people, but it doesn't kill most of the people, and so it's very easy when most of us go through life without somebody very close to us who has died or come close to dying. it's easy for us to just say, my friend had it, it was a bad cold, until it strikes them. we know some risk factors, but it's so wacky how it will just reach out and smack the hell out of a 32-year-old kid, and they look at me, it's this bad, and at that point, you know it's too late for them. you have to hope their youth and strength gets them through. but it takes touching the individual person or somebody they really love before people start to change their minds. it's just -- i'm feeling -- yeah. >> i do want to, though, give you an opportunity, and i think it's important for us to acknowledge, a lot of people out there are exhausted by this, right, but maybe they need a little push to do the right thing, and so in that spirit as a public service, i will ask you a question we have asked so many times before, what is your advice for people still planning to get together for the holidays? >> so this is really hard. you know, as a doctor, as the only doc in my family, i'm the guy who people call when their daughter's cousin's dad's grandma had an exposure at work, and they were at soccer practice together three weeks, what do we do. i don't know, nobody knows. it's too complicated. so what i am doing is protecting me and mine. we are not isolating for christmas, we are getting together. however, every single person in my family who's going to be with us who is of age is going to be fully vaccinated, and by fully vaccinated i mean three doses, not two of the mrna vaccine or two doses of the j&j or astrazeneca, that is the new definition of fully vaccinated, whether it's official or not, i don't know, i don't care, because we know that that's the case. and we're getting together with those people. and here's what i recommend to people as well. don't be bullied this christmas. there's a lot of pressure, you know, don't let your family bully you into having, you know, unvaccinated cousin eddie and his four kids over to hug on your memaw for christmas. he goes or you go. i'm not going to those gatherings. i'm just not doing it because we know the risks, so i'm mitigating mine. your family is going to be different based on who's in your household, who's going to be around, what they have, but i'm surrounding myself with vaccinated people. and that is full stop. full stop. >> people who watch this program know, we all know what we have to do. it's a matter of, again, finding the will to do it. dr. stephen sample, thank you. more on the destruction left behind by friday's tornados, and whether some of the loss of life could have been prevented when "the 11th hour" continues. d when "the 11th hour" continues. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. mom, hurry! our show's gonna start soon! if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. i promised i wouldn't miss the show and mommy always keeps her promises. oh, no! seriously? hmm! it's not the same if she's not here. oh. -what the. oh my goodness! i don't suppose you can sing, can you? ♪ the snow's comin' down ♪ -mommy? ♪ i'm watching it fall ♪ watch the full story at www.xfinity.com/sing2 the government agency in charge of worker safety is now investigating one of the deadly incidents linked to friday's deadly tornado outbreak. at least six people were killed when an amazon warehouse in illinois suddenly collapsed. nbc news correspondent morgan chesky is in edwardsville with more on the osha investigation. >> reporter: for the cope family, the pain, too much to bear. father lynn, unable to put his son clay's loss into words. the 29-year-old inside the amazon warehouse friday when the storm moved in. over the phone, the navy vet told his mom he was helping coworkers to shelter. just minutes before the twister struck. >> knowing that clay told others to get to safety. >> it doesn't surprise me. not at all. >> reporter: that's who he was? >> it just was who he was. >> reporter: copy one of six workers killed ranging in age from 26 to 62. the ef-3 tornado nearly cut the football field size warehouse in half. 40 foot concrete walls collapsed, causing the roof to cave in. amazon telling nbc news the workers were told to go to a protected area until sirens went off. not everyone made it there gl our leaders began to shelter people in place, and getting people to move into the sheltered areas. >> reporter: tonight, amazon adds it welcomes a newly announced investigation from osha which investigates all workplace deaths. the agency says they have had staff on site since saturday inspecting safety code compliance. and amazon founder jeff bezos also facing criticism over the weekend for posting about his blue origin space flight as crews searched for bodies here at the scene. bezos says he's heartbroken over the loss of amazon teammates. >> thank you for that. and coming up, the annual light show worth staying up for even later than this when "the 11 hour" continues. s when "the 11 hour" continues. the only thing a disaster can't destroy is hope. ♪♪ donate now at redcross.org knowing where you came from, it gives you a sense of “this is who i am”. oh my goodness... wow, look at all those! you get hungry for more and then you're just like, “wow, i'm learning about my family.” yeah, yep. which one, what'd you find? 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♪ ♪ yeah, that's more like it. the last thing before we go tonight, you may want to head outside for one of the most active meteor showers of the year, which peaks tonight. "the washington post" points out the geminid meteor shower is expected to produce dozens of meet yore showers every year, named after the constellation gemini, known for their long tails, appearing green and amber. the post explains despite how bright they appear most meet yoers are no larger than a grain of race. they form from departed comets or asteroids which earth plows through at the same time every year in its annual orbit around the sun. the source of the debris is a 3.6 mile wide asteroid known as 3,200 faithon, picture driving through a swarm of bugs, that's how earth swarms through the debris fields. bundle up if you need to, and head outside to catch the show. if you don't get a chance to see it tonight, don't worry, you should still be able to catch them tomorrow night as well. that's our broadcast for this thank you at-home for joining us. this hour, very happy to have you here with us tonight. the tornadoes hit very late on friday night. and that means, tonight, in the dark and the cold in kentucky it is a third straight night. saturday night, sunday night, and i'll tonight. of searching for survivors. the death toll in kentucky is almost unimaginable. it stands at more than 70 already. at least 13 other americans have also had deaths contrite

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