words. >> this has been absolutely devastating. we have entire towns flattened. my count, i know we have lost over 80 lives. i think it's going to be over 100. it may be well over 100. it is so hard to describe. there's not a camera lens big enough to show the path of absolute destruction. people have lost everything. we're talking in the rescue effort of going door to door. there aren't doors. >> well, today, the extent of the damage is becoming more clear in places like dawson springs, kentucky. one of the hardest hit areas. a survivor relived the moment it struck when he and his family were taking shelter. >> i'm trying to get my mother-in-law picked up, but it was more than my little frame could do. so i hollered to the guy, he come over and help me get her picked up. we got her inside, and then i just -- i don't know. we just all went around to each of them and tried to make sure i had all the bleeding stopped, and then i started working on trying to figure out how to get us out of there because the house was about to cave in on itself. so it was pretty traumatic. >> yeah. in illinois, six people died at an amazon warehouse torn apart by an ef-3 tornado. the recovery mission will take several days. we have a team of reporters in place across the region. we're going to start with ali velshi joining us from mayfield, kentucky, where he's been all this very long day. ali, welcome. how devastating is the damage where you are? we heard the kentucky governor say it's really hard to put into words. i'm sure you feel something the same. >> reporter: i mean, we have video cameras, you have drone shots. you can't conceive of what this is. i mean, this is a post office. you can see these postal trucks. one on top of another. look at this car, you're seeing things like this, a postal vehicle. look at this. this is one of those postal trucks. it's compacted as if it were in a trash compacter. i want to spin around and just show you this isn't one of those camera tricks where there's a little spot behind us that's devastated. everywhere you look for blocks and blocks, you see this. this is the downtown of mayfield. it's a town of about 10,000 people, which is large, and this is the downtown core, the courthouse is gone, the fire station is gone, there's no power around here. there are houses that are entirely disappeared. this is not, by the way, where most people lost their lives. that's at the candle factory, which is about eight minutes from here, where that roof collapsed. about 110 people are thought to have been there when the tornado hit on friday night into saturday morning. they have recovered -- they have saved 40 people, roughly, out of there, which is why the governor, andy beshear, thinks there might be more than 80 people dead in kentucky in total. we know there are other spots in kentucky where people have died as well. kathy park who is here with me as well in mayfield talked to some of the people who made it out of the candle factory. listen to what they told her. >> emergency responders in hard-hit kentucky searching around the clock for any sign of life beneath the rubble. >> hopefully there is more survivors, they're in there now working to try to recover debris and move everything out. >> it's a race against time at the candle factory in mayfield, where darryl johnson says his younger sister began her night shift hours before the tornado roared through. >> i'm prepare for the worst. i'm hoping for the best, but i'm prepared for the worst. >> more than 100 people were inside friday night at the height of the storm. for darryl, the cite brings tear s heart ache. >> she's all i got left. i lost my brother in 2016 to a murder, and -- i have nieces. this is it. >> but amid the devastation, some workers made it out alive. >> i thought it was over with. >> caitlin webb and ashton ridley say they were trapped and injured but got help crawling in the dark through feet of debris. >> if you made the wrong move, you would have fell back to the ground and it would have -- it was raining. we had no lights, so everyone that was conscious was trying to help each other out. >> inside the collapsed factory, others like keyona parsons perez live streamed the harrowing moments on facebook. >> somebody please send us some help. we are trapped. the wall is stuck on me. nobody can get to us. >> she was one of the last people to be rescued. of all days, on her 40th birthday. she's grateful to celebrate life, while loved ones of the missing wait anxiously for answers. >> we're trying to fight our grief, but right now, i'm looking for a miracle. >> reporter: yeah, miracle is what people are looking for. take a look. this is the downtown core. it's mixed industrial and residential. what you're looking at is mostly commercial. you see those power poles down. that's kind of interesting because power is out here, and you have those utility trucks that are around trying to repair them, but the poles themselves are down, so that's going to take some time. take a look at that. you can see work being done. cleanup work being done and removal, but look at the scope of the devastation. again, i'm doing this deliberately to show you, my camera operator has a wide angle lens. we're not sneaking around and showing you select things. everywhere you go, 360 degrees around here, you see this level of devastation. what you are seeing is cleanup, people coming out, people using their hands, using small equipment, a lot of heavy equipment is moving in. the cleanup is beginning. but they have got a lot of work to do, and again, i remind you, it's warm now because the sun is up. it went down to 23 degrees last nights, so there are still people they believe are trapped and need rescuing, and they have already spent one very cold night out there. hopes are high they will continue to be able to rescue people, but there's a lot of fear and a lot of devastation here, alex. >> and lots still missing. ali, let me ask you about what we do see still standing. i was talking to somebody else in mayfield yesterday, a storm chaser. there's a tall building behind you. it looks like it's made of brick. are brick buildings the ones that are mostly still intact? i mean, suffering severe damage, yes, but it looks like red brick. >> let me show you. look at the roof. look at the roof of that red brick building over there. it's gone. so the brick buildings, beyond that, there's another building, the roof is gone because it's wooden, but the building is brick. it's standing. i can look through and see brick and stone buildings in which things have disappeared from the tops of those buildings. so it's not a given because it wasn't wood, it's not here. everything that was wood and aluminum and siding is gone. everywhere you look, it's wood and siding. but even the brick structures are not in fantastic shape. and that's not from a tree falling on these things. that's from the force of this hurricane. the power in -- in the tornado. the power in a concentrated tornado is greater than a cat category-5 hurricane. there's nothing untouched here. all the brick and siding and aluminum stuff is damaged, but all the aluminum stuff is damaged, but even brick buildings are damaged. >> 100%. okay, ali velshi. we'll check back in with you a few times on the show today. thank you so much, my friend. today, of course, shell-shocked survivors are sharing their harrowing stories of escape, including one husband and father who tells us it was all a matter of work. wendy is in mayfield, kentucky. i got a preview of this gentleman's story. it is incredible. >> reporter: alex, douglas coons' parental instincts took over. as a parent of three children myself, we all know that if your child is in danger, you're going to do anything to protect them. but this story also speaks to the magnitude of this dangerous storm. from where we are standing in downtown mayfield, dawson springs, where the coons live, 72 miles to the northeast of us. and these pictures we're about to show you are difficult to look at, but mr. coon wanted people to know because they speak about courageousness, human spirit, survival, and he wants to hear his description of what this storm caused his family such fear and angst. listen. >> we all cooped up in the bathroom, we put my two boys in the bathtub, put pillows on top of them. we just sat down beside the bathtub and put pillows on top of us. we had our 2-month-old baby in the car seat. we left her in the car seat thinking that would be a little more protection for her. and we even had our dog in there with us. >> my gosh. >> but it was just crazy. it's the most traumatic thing i have ever been through, and i felt like i was helpless in protecting my kids against it. i mean, it's just -- it just picked us up and just threw us around. and landed us on the other side of the neighbor's house. >> reporter: i can't even begin to imagine what the coons went through on friday night. but as residents here are banding together to pick up from this horrible storm, it does remind us of miracles, they do happen, whether he wants to say it was luck or not, and the courageous human spirit. hopefully we'll start to hear more of these kinds of stories, and we're going to hear more from the coons in the next hour. >> i can't believe what he went through. i'm so glad that he wanted to put this out there, let us all try to understand. he puts his two sons in the bathtub, covers them with pillows, puts his dog in there, yet he says he ends up on the other side of a house. wow. okay, wendy. i'm looking -- yeah. >> reporter: i have to say, i have heard stories, alex, i'm sure you have too, of debris that had flown like 100 miles away. the fact he's still alive today with his kids and his dog is simply miraculous. >> yeah, 100%. well, there's more to come from that story. stay tuned for that. see you next hour. thank you. meantime, some remarkable new wrinkles in the 1/6 investigation, including the tory behind the headline you're about to see which brings to lite a more sinister aspect of planning that went behind that threat to democracy. we'll look at that next. ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? 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to challenge the 2020 election said that he visited the white house on multiple occasions after the election, spoke with then chief of staff meadows as many as ten times, and briefed several members of congress on the eve of the capitol riot. so for more on that, let's go to nbc's julie tsirkin joining us from capitol hill. >> phil wald rn, the retired army colonel isn't exactly a household name, but he has been prevalent since his retirement in these election fraud circles, if you will. he was actually testifying during the arizona audit before the arizona senate. he was involved in briefing texas republicans on these unproven alleged claims of election fraud in the 2020 election, and now "the washington post" is reporting that he's actually behind this powerpoint that the january 6th select committee obtained from mark meadows, that he willingly turned over. and remember, his lawyer said, look, that's not part of this executive privilege claim. it's floating around everywhere, but some of the stuff that it recommended there, including president trump declaring a national emergency to stop the election certification from happening on january 6th. of course, vice president pence didn't follow anything that that outlined in there, but these are the things the committee wants to know. they want to know if the trump administration did in fact have a clear link with the rally organizers, with some of these things that phil waldren, for example, is outlining, and "the washington post" is reporting he has been in contact with meadows and the white house. we reached out to phil waldren, we haven't heard back yet, but let's listen to what rep cicilline said this morning. >> i think there are a lot of people who argue what happened on january 6th is some sort of organic event where people got carried away. what the select committee is revealing in the early part of its work is there was an awful lot of planning, financing, strategizing, and that it involved people at the highest levels of government. >> so the committee is actually going to hold a vote to hold mark meadows in contempt of congress tomorrow because they want to know more about this powerpoint, about these meetings. but look, another big takeaway in the last couple days was on friday and that new batch of subpoenas issued by the committee because it was the first time we see a clear possible link between president trump and the stop the steal rally organizers themselves. that's because they outline in two of the aides they subpoenaed that they actually may have met with the president two days before january 6th to fill him in sort of on the details of the rallies, including who was speaking there. so the committee here definitely has their eyes wide open as they conduct all these interviews. >> okay, julie tsirkin thank you so much. joining me now, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times." he's also an msnbc political analyst. always good to see you on a sunday. let's get into this and start with that powerpoint. you heard from congressman david cicilline, all he said there about it. the january 6th was not just some organic reaction. there was a lot of planning involved leading up to that day. what's your reaction to all this? >> yeah, i think it's very interesting. the power point when it first came out, we didn't know where it came from, what was done as a result of it. look, you know, anybody can send anything to the white house. it can be as wild and, you know, radical as you like. the question is, what happens as a result of it. and what's really interesting about this reporting from our colleagues at "the washington post" isn't just this guy from the outside sent in his version of what he thought should happen. it's that he got meetings at the white house, not just one or two, but he said eight to ten meetings with the white house chief of staff. that suggests it's a little more serious than the over the transom wild idea from a supporter. that meant they took it seriously enough to invite him into the inner sanctum to discuss these ideas which would be ahistorical and challenge the constitution. that's very revealing about how far this white house was looking to go to find ways for this president to hold on to power even though he had been rejected in a democratic election. >> the colonel, was he not or working at the willard hotel in that war room with rudy giuliani and all the trump cronies? they must have all worked on this together, and then he gets to the white house. is that how that worked? >> well, that i'm not clear on, but that's a good question because in fact the people who were there at the willard that day obviously were part and parcel of the president's effort to join -- to stir up this crowd, get them to go down to the capitol, and at least make a lot of noise if not more. and i think that what you're seeing from the committee, the desire to link these -- pull these dots together, pull them into a coherent narrative so we understand how it all happened. it wasn't just that one speech, it wasn't just as the congressman said, an organic, you know, protest, something that had been discussed and planned on for days and weeks, including these ideas that not just, you know, not just the crowd but the idea that somehow the vice president of the united states could basically subvert the will of the people in these key states in order to keep his president in power. that's an extraordinary thing that we still haven't, i think, fully grasped. >> i think three bullet points from this powerpoint that i have been able to glean is they wanted pence to reject electors from states that they believed were fraudulent. they also thought that if he did that, they would just replace them with friendly republican electors or just outright delay altogether certification of that vote on january 6th. those are the three big points i have taken away. but my question relative to you with mark meadows, so he stopped cooperating with the committee this week. members are going to vote from that committee tomorrow on whether or not to hold him in contempt. what is the impact of meadows not giving a first-hand account? and did this 180 happen from meadows, again, after giving this 38-page powerpoint to the committee, did it happen because donald trump intervened somehow? >> yeah, i think we do want to hear obviously, certainly the committee wants to hear from mark meadows. he's never really given a full accounting of what happened that day, what happened in the days and weeks leading up to it. meadows left a lot of people feeling differently about him in that post-election period. there were some people who thought he was the guy, one of the guys out there trying to land the plane. that was the language used by some people at the time, trying to keep things from getting too far off course. there are others who thought he was an enabler, not only helped the president to find ways to challenge the election but was encouraging him and allowing people like rudy giuliani, people like the colonel, the people who were stirring up the president and trying to fill his head with all kinds of wild can crazy ideas that we had never seen before in american history. i think that we're seeing more and more that it seemed to be more of the latter. he was part of this, you know, group of people that was encouraging the president not to concede an election he lost, but to find some way to hold on to power no matter what it took. i think you're right, the three options you just outlined are things we have never seen any vice president ever do, and mike pence said no, i don't have the power to do that kind of thing. that goes too far, and imagine what would happen if he had said something opposite that. >> imagine. let me tap into your experience working in moscow as the bureau chief. the fact we're talking about ukraine, the u.s., russia, and you have written a book on vladimir putin. my question to you is what do you think he's doing here? what is he going to get out of this aggressive behavior against ukraine and how do you think it ends? >> that's a great question. that is the question. right now, vladimir putin has figured out what we're going to do and taken it into account. he's going to make his decision based on knowing what the west, what the united states, what europe is going to do in response and decide whether that trade-off is something he will live with. it's hard to mage he's wants to have a full-scale invasion of ukraine, but it's not out of the question. you don't put 175,000 troops on the border of a neighbor unless you're planning to do something. it's possible he's trying to intame the west and ukraine into giving him concessions, but it's a manufactured crisis because ukraine was not going to join nato. nato hadn't asked them or invited them to join. this is all sort of a manufactured crisis by putin in order to justify some sort of act 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>> yeah. yeah, when the governor says it's hard to imagine, it really is. we have got these aerial shots we have been showing you, but sometimes you just have to see up close. first of all, these power lines. there's are no electricity here. power lines and power poles like that power pole right there, that's the issue. the poles are down so there's nowhere to connect the power lines to. look at this. it's a trailer. i mean, it's completely, completely overturned. it's empty. fortunately, there's nothing in it, but to give you a sense of it, you were asking me about half an hour ago about buildings with brick and stone. there's a brick building right there, most of the bricks are on the ground. so this is the industrial part of -- industrial commercial and residential area where downtown in mayfield, and around the corner is where people lived. the question is where are those people now? for those who were able to get away, local news is reporting they had warnings as early as 6:00 p.m. central time on friday night, 7:00 p.m. eastern, which gave people some chance to get away if they were going to take the warning seriously. deion has been talking to people and trying to find out how they're doing. you have run into people who were here who have now sought shelter. >> that's right. there's a local church out here that has a knights of columbus building they're using over the last night or so. the last night since the storm happened, obviously. there's about 30 people who ended up staying there overnight, just providing food and shelter. they're going to be doing it until thursday until they trade off and have another organization or someone like that decide to give them food and shelter. >> you talked to people who have lost others. they lost their friends in the candle factory. you spoke to a nurse late yesterday who was devastated she lost one of her aunts. i don't know if that was in the factory or one of the houses. >> the woman is 29-year-old theresa willis. she's a nurse here. and you know, she caught the tornado devastating and horrific, because her whole livelihood, her sense of being is to help other people. but she couldn't help her aunt. that's the thing. that's why she feels so bad about it. she said i'm always helping other people, but when it came to my loved ones and family members, i couldn't do anything to save my aunt. she said she got the phone call, 2:30 in the morning yesterday, to go to the house, to see if they could find her, and they found her unresponsive. she talked about how devastating the tornado was in general. when they got there to the scene, the house was completely gone. the only thing that was left was just a slab, the foundation of the house and two steps. she said there's no furniture, there's no clothes. nothing else. and that just speaks to the devastation of -- and the recovery efforts of what's going on now and also what people are having to deal with as this sinks in more, the tragedy than happened here. >> you lived in oklahoma. tornado warnings and tornadoes are not unfamiliar to you. but one of the questions we have to ask, if people got warnings early, why doesn't everybody heed them. everybody said, look, sometimes you don't heed the warnings because you get them a lot. >> some of the information i'm getting, i'm getting reports from people inside the candle factory, and i don't have this confirmed, but i heard from a guy and he said, listen, we got warnings as early as 6:00 p.m. i don't know if that's true or not, but 6:00 p.m., we got warnings about a tornado that's going to come. i asked why didn't you leave? he said, we didn't have any permission. that's the first i heard of that. i don't know if it's true. now, with that, that could -- two things can be true. that could have happened. 6:00, they would have got a warning and sometimes people don't always take it seriously. i lived in oklahoma for ten years. that's like the tornado capital. there's always tornado warnings out there. and it takes a lot of effort to get your dog, your cat, your kids dressed and go to a tornado shelter just to find out that the tornado went south by like ten miles of your city, and then it's like, now we just go back home. if you do that a half dozen times or a dozen times and i'm not being facetious. if you do that a dozen times, you're not going to take every tornado warning seriously. so going back to the nurse, theresa willis. she said, deion. even though this is horrific, nothing like this has ever happened in mayfield before. she said, we always get tornado warnings out here, but because nothing ever happens, we don't always take it seriously. but the problem is, it could be that one time where things just go bad and you get the result that we have right now. >> you're going to check out that story. we're going to find out when people knew about this and why they reacted the way they did. one point that deion makes is important. that is where hurricanes, you might get two or three days notice, you know what direction it's coming from. with tornadoes, you get a warning that saying the atmospheric conditions are appropriate for a tornado to form. you don't know when, where, and when it lands even when you get the tornado alert, even if you know it's a mile away or ten miles away, you don't know if it's coming towards you or changes directions. i have seen mey tornadoes where in the course of one city it will bob and weave. you'll see one house standing and another destroyed. this one reminds me a little more of joplin, missouri, where it feels like a shredder has been taken to every piece of property in a couple square mile area. >> i tell you, all that deion was saying was pretty extraordinary. you know, you can say, well, there's a level of complacency after repetition, and we get it here with the snow alerts. we get, oh, there's going to be ten inches of snow and it ends up being three and you're like, that was a nothing burger. i understand, but it is absolutely frightening what you're seeing and what he's reporting, and that one point he made about the factory workers, we'll see what comes of that. again, he said he hadn't confirmed that. >> we need to figure that out. there is some reporting, local news people are reporting that warnings went out at 6:00. we'll run that down and find out what we knew about that and what everybody did know about it. >> ali velshi, many thanks for that. let's get to another community in western kentucky that is completely unrecognizable. dawson springs, a town of about 2,600. that's been turned to rubble, and ellison barber is right there in the middle of it. how are folks holding up there? >> reporter: hey, alex. most of this community, pockets of this community, dawson springs, it's just completely destroyed. this, we think, we're told was once a business. if you look just across the street here, you can see what were homes. some people have started to arrive and go through what is left of this area, seeming to try and find little bits of things that they might be able to salvage. we have a seen a number of search and rescue crews with canines going through some of the buildings. we spoke to one woman who lived here. she said that she was in bed. she has ms, and she went to bed last night after knowing that the storm was potentially coming, but she wasn't feeling good. she was in bed when she heard the sounds, the sirens. she was at the foot of her bed when her window exploded. she said it sounded like a train came through. she told us one of her neighbors was still unaccounted for. she pointed to other homes that were completely leveled across the street from her. she said that family i know they got out. that family, we haven't heard. she had not been able to speak to her daughter, her son-in-law, and their children who live in another community near here. her phone was dead. my producer stephanie and i were talking to her. and we said, we think we have some service, if you know the number, you can try to call them from our phones. she was able to get through, and we heard the first moment when she asked them, are you okay. there are families here who have lost everything. just look around. and if they were lucky enough to survive this, there are people who don't know and don't have any ways right now to get in touch with other family members make sure they're okay. not only are they grappling with losing everything, realizing what they survived through and what maybe other people did not, but they're still trying to figure out if people they care about are okay as well. no one can make any calls here. they're stuck in all of this rubble, hoping that people they care about are okay. alex. >> can i just say, you and stephanie cargill, you guys were the ultimate good samaritan in bringing that sense of relief to that woman. good for you. excellent on that. thank you so much. >> so what new information you need to hear about the omicron variant, as we're definitely switching fears here. it may convince you to get a booster shot asap. you know how it goes. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. ♪ i see trees of green ♪ ♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom ♪ ♪ for me and you ♪ ♪ and i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ a rich life is about more than just money. that's why at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner so you can build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. new vicks vapostick. strong soothing vapors... help comfort your loved ones. for chest, neck, and back. it goes on clear. no mess just soothing comfort. try new vicks vapostick. when our daughter and her kids moved in with us... our bargain detergent couldn't keep up. turns out it's mostly water. so, we switched back to tide. one wash, stains are gone. 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what did you think a year ago today? >> i think that we hoped for the best. and you know, things are better than they were a year ago, alex. many more of us have had the vaccine. and for better or worse, even those of us who have gone through the infection have retained some level of immunity. but the thing that i think really threw us for a loop is because so much transmission continued throughout the world, the virus had a chance to continue to evolve. and you know, we always said, if a new variant comes along, this is going to be an issue, which is why the global vaccine equity issue is a self issue, we need to do it oo protect ourselves and the fact we need to do it for the rest tof the world to reduce the crisis. people hear about omicron, and they're thinking, oh, no, we're back to square one. i want to say we're not back to square one. we do have to buckle down for the fex few months because there might be a big surge by delta followed by increased cases of omicron. >> i want to have you reiterate. if people were to get their vaccines and subsequently their boosters, that would give this virus, the covid virus, nowhere to land, right? the more people -- it's that herd mentality. so people who don't choose to get vaccinated, i mean, that's the gateway for it to continue. >> that's right. because even though, you know, you heard dr. fauci say that we have seen protection against infection go up, people who are vaccinated are still less likely to get infected compared to people who are not vaccinated. really, the vulnerability towards hospitalizations and deaths, right, the things that are keeping the majority of our hospitals full still are people who are unvaccinated. unfortunately, the vulnerable people who did receive vaccines, there are infected people in their communities, they're more likely to get infected and also end up in the hospital. that's our weakness right now. >> speaking of omicron, it is in a majority of states in the u.s. so far, no deaths. a single hospitalization, apparently, chris according to the cdc, but the uk reports show omicron cases are treated in the hospital. is there anything you have learned about the variant in the last couple weeks that you think compares to that which we don't know? >> yeah, alex, the uk report actually adds a lot of concern. one is that they show this is definitely a much more transmissible variant. you're seeing the numbers increase rapidly in the uk. they think it might be the predominant variant there in the next couple weeks. not only that, but when they looked at household contact, when you're in a family that has an omicron infection, you are three times more likely to get infected. much more transmissible. we're also learning about the fact it can reduce protection against infection, so the boosters become so much more important because they're able to get the immunity back to that level of protection that we saw with the wild type. the thing that people don't realize is that so few -- there's still a huge number of people who are unvaccinated. only 60% of americans are fully vaccinated. only a quarter of us have boosters. that's really what we need to solve if we want to build a wall against omicron. >> doctor, many thanks. well, donald trump's hunt for disloyal republicans, why it's raising fears that he's running in 2024 and may have hand-picked state lawmakers who just might pull some shenanigans and help fix the election. superpowers from a spider bite? 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>> oh, i think there certainly is. look, he took particular offense to the fact that the committee had requested from a third party a provider of cell communications and text messaging. the committee had requested his personal text messages. i think what is currently missing is some of the direct communication with the president of the united states. that involves this question of privilege, which the committee has said we don't recognize that as a matter of law. you have people like meadows and others who are saying, we're claiming it on behalf of the president, so let's litigate it. there is more damning information. the important thing for the 1/6 committee but also for the american culture, alex, we have to frame this, if donald trump is going to run again, we have to frame this in a way that voters can easily consume. donald trump tried to cancel the election and keep himself in power. that's what we know was in the evidence that meadows and others turned out. donald trump tried to cancel the election and keep himself in power. >> when you put it that way, it's pretty darn simple. if that were to be repeated all the time, that simply, people would get it more clearly. but don, the new op-ed in "the washington post," the headline is shocking enough as it is, "i monitor trump's die-hard base. they're still plotting out in the open. the same activists behind january 6 are moving into local grass-roots organizing now." we talking about it as if it's in the past but it's still very much going on. >> very much so. i walked around washington, dc now, the city has opened up. you go around the bars and eateries around the white house, where the locus of government is, and you see those family faces from the trump administration and the fox news types, you see them gathering, sitting around together. they are conspiring. the work is happening. while democrats are conspiring to register voters and to increase awareness of the midterms and retain voters and communicate messaging and find out what's going to resonate, they are conspiring to destroy democracy. it would be akin to me getting my kids' basketball team ready to play against a 3-2 zone or a matchup type defense and they're conspiring to turn the power out of the stadium. much like david said, the big lie was talking about how the 2020 presidential election was stolen and illegitimate, of course that was false, but they keep talking about the big lie to sow seeds of discord for 2022 and 2024. he's spot on in that op-ed, he's talking about going after local school boards, after secretaries of state. that's where the game is being played. in washington, dc they're plotting to steal it on the federal level as well. >> i want to look with you, david, at an axios article, titled "inside trump's hunt for disloyal republicans." donald trump and his associates are systematically reshaping the republican party and destroy those elections officials who he feels are disloyal. how concerning is this? is there any legit scenario of trump heading into a 2024 election with more state officials willing to do his bidding, and if so, is there anything that can be done to stop this? >> there absolutely is. part of this is just a vindictive personality of donald trump. but the other i do believe is laying the ground for a 2024 run. i think donald trump plans to run. recall in the big picture, alex, republican presidential nominees rarely win the popular vote. they have to do it through the state system that the electoral college provides for and within that state system donald trump is meticulously making sure he has people in power. georgia this past week as a perfect example. the only thing brian kemp did wrong is he did not steal the election for donald trump. so donald trump goes out and finds david perdue and says, you're my guy, you're going to win this thing. and what happens when i need you? you're going to do what i ask you to. >> it's like trump is stacked the deck in his favor if indeed he chooses to run. there are a number of people who know him well who don't think he will because he doesn't want to ever risk losing. but you're right, if he's stacking the degree, maybe he does run. this article in "the wall street journal" says vice president kamala harris needs to be more humbled. what do you make of that? >> absurd. i'm to the point where i'm ready to call this racist and sexist. the criticisms of kamala harris are so far out of pocket. they're not based on any reasonable assessment of her performance. our new colleague today, has been in the white house, david jolly, you've been on capitol hill. they climb their way up to senior ranks of the government and they get job offers of three, four, five "x" of whatever they make. it's so ridiculous to hone in on that as a sign of discord in her office. beyond that, her performance is stable and fantastic and we need to leave her alone and show some respect to the office. >> elise, last word to you on this, on the piling on on vice president harris. >> i don't know. i do think her performance has been shaky. her press appearances, she's had a lot of unforced errors. i think a lot is being made of her performance in a way unlike joe biden when he was in a similar role. at the same time, there is a huge spotlight on her just because she is the heir apparent to the presidency and that's a really big deal. other vice presidents haven't been necessarily looked at in that way. >> can i ask you, what did mike pence do as vice president? 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