kutti showed up on freeman's doorstep earlier that day claiming she was sent by a, quote, high-profile individual to give freeman an urgent message. confess to trump's voter fraud allegations or people would come to her home in 48 hours and she would go to jail. that's why they agreed to meet at a police station where kutti put freeman on the phone with someone who tried to get freeman to implicate herself in committing voter fraud on election day. despite their attempts to intimidate her freeman refused to confess to something she didn't do. but the scariest part is that according to freeman the fbi called her the next day and urged her to leave her home of 20 years because it wasn't safe. freeman describes in a lawsuit how she left hours before a mob of angry trump supporters surrounded her home shouting through bullhorns. since then she's moved from house to house in fear for her safety. as disturbing as that is, it's just one part of the trump-fueled intimidation effort that's been waged against freeman and against election workers like her. she was put through a living hell, and yet the threats have not been investigated by local police or state authorities according to a review of georgia law enforcement records. it is clear evidence of how the big lie trickled down among trump's devotees before culminating with the siege of january 6th. meanwhile, the committee investigating the insurrection issued a new wave of six subpoenas today. and while their targets are not marquee names, all had some role in coordinating the rally at the ellipse that preceded the attack on our capitol. joining me now is tim miller, writer at large at the bulwark, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. and i'm going to start with you, barbara. this is wild. this story of miss freeman, who had to change her appearance because she was afraid, her photograph was widely circulated by right-wingers after the election, to interview her reuters had to agree not to describe the way she looks today. reuters has also documented more than 850 threats and harassing messages to election administrators including about 100 that legal experts say could be prosecuted under federal law, but almost no one so far has been held accountable. how is it possible, how is it possible that this woman could be essentially tortured and tormented by someone who is kanye west's publicist and it not be a crime? >> well, certainly, joy, it's very disturbing that people who are the backbone of our democratic process, the people who work at our elections, i think about my own polling place, it's mostly senior citizens that go in there and work those long days to make sure that everybody's vote gets cast. it's thankless work. it's very low-paying work, and they do it because they love democracy and they love america. and now we see people being threatened, harassed and harmed. this is the very kind of thing that the justice department has made it a priority to prosecute and that in all that backlash from republican senators saying you're trying to stomp on people's first amendment rights to speak out against, you know, the election officials and school board members and others. we really have to change that narrative and protect people like people who are working as poll workers, as election officials, so that we can continue to have those people in those places. and so i don't know why a decision has been made not to file charges in a case like this. i would hope that someone is seriously considering the facts, identifying the perpetrators and making sure that justice is served because it isn't important just to protect this individual but to have the deterrent effect necessary nationwide so that people will feel comfortable continuing to serve in these important roles. >> you know, i think about the people who work where i vote. they're elderly women, black women in the case of where i vote and they're -- as you said, they're not getting paid a lot of money to do this, tim. this is a low-paying job that people do because it's their civic duty and someone has to do it. where i voted for years in new york it was the same women every year. they're always there. they show up every year. and yet somebody like ms. freeman -- let me play her 911 call real quick. and again, we know one of the names. they don't have to go searching for them. reuters found them. one of them is kanye west's publicist, trevian kutti. and another unidentified man. this is them arriving at her door and ms. freeman calling 911. listen. >> they keep saying that time is running out and i'm going to need some representation. they're saying that i need help. and they can help me. because they say they're coming after me -- >> do you know who these people are? >> no, that's why i wanted the police to come and i go outside and talk with them with the police being there. i'm not talking now. >> this is a thugocracy, tim. that's what this is. this is the kind of thing you'd think you'd see in a third world country. this is warlordism. that's what the republican party is up to now and that's what donald trump unleashed on this party and on this country. your thoughts. >> yeah, it's not a one-off, joy. you've covered this before but the "salt lake tribune" wrote a couple days ago about something called the utah voter verification process where people are going door to door in utah, a state that trump won, by the way, to try to identify fraud in order to prove that there is likely fraud in other states, i guess, is their four-dimensional chess thinking in this. that's intimidating. it's not the same as ms. freeman went to but someone's coming to your door demanding to see documents to prove that you are who you say you are and then match them against the voter rolls. that is a thugocracy, as you said. that is intimidating. and i think the downstream effect of this is it's not just -- and obviously we should be concerned about the largely seniors, as you point out, people who vote at -- or excuse me, who work at the polling places. but this goes up to people who want to work in local election administration jobs. who would want these jobs with that kind of intimidation? and we saw back in my home state of colorado in mesa county an insane maga election administrator in the western slope of colorado tried to fbriccate fraud on her own machines so they could help prove there was fraud in these other states. so if you look ahead to 2022, 2024, you can see just a natural decline of normal regular folks, some of them republicans even, by the way, who are like why do i want to have this trouble? and they're going to be replaced by people who are -- who are looking to potentially cause trouble and looking to undermine our democracy. so you know, i think that there's a lot of downstream effects of this kind of intimidation. >> and barbara, i can go all the way back to 2012 when this organization called true the vote was running around bragging that they wanted black voters to feel like there was a police officer following them, that that's the feeling you should have when you go to vote in their view. and their thing was just to watch voters in an intimidating way to try to bully them, right? to bully particularly voters who they assumed were going to vote democratic. you now have had the supreme court look the other way as state after state like texas and georgia have passed laws that will allow more poll watching, more voter intimidation. they're not going to use that on white voters. they're going to use that, you know, on white voters in rich counties. they're going to go right into black and brown counties and try to make voters afraid. this is not democracy by any stretch of the imagination. what do you make of the fact that so far our judicial system has done absolutely nothing to stop this and to protect the voters in this country and to protect people like miss freeman who -- i mean, the 3 percenters. tim talked about colorado. that same utah story talked about the fact that the version of that in colorado, the 3 percenters are involved in that. those people are former law enforcement. they're armed people. this is terrifying. it is not democracy. why isn't the judicial system doing anything about it? >> i think the first step, joy, is that prosecutors have to do something about it. we need to have these cases coming to court so that judges can make decisions on them. and you're right, this is an effort to intimidate people to keep them away from the polls. i know we hear stories about people who, you know, show up in a business suit holding a clipboard trying to appear that they're somewhat official and saying things like i hope your child support is all paid off, i hope nobody has any outstanding traffic warrants because when you get to the front of the line and you show your i.d. we'll be arresting people. and so people slowly trickle out of the line because they don't want to risk those kinds of things. and of course that's all not true. it's all just a farce designed to discourage people from voting. and the truth is that in this country we are seeing an increase in population in black and brown voters. and there are people who want to cling to power and the way they've always known things to be and they want to suppress those numbers. if we had a majority rule in this country, we would see democrats winning handily in races. and because people know they can't win a fair game they're trying to cheat. and that's what we're seeing here. intimidation at the polls. but you need to win elections through hearts and minds and ideas, not through intimidation. and so i would like to see more prosecution of those who are intimidating voters and poll workers. >> it's the '80s south africa strategy, tim. you you suppress the majority population, the emerging majority, which includes liberal white voters and voters of color. that is the majority. and so they're attempting to forcibly suppress it. the investigation you're seeing with the january 6th committee, eugene robinson has a piece out today saying it's too slow and that the sort of tidy and calm response -- and the committee i'm sure is doing great work. they're interviewing lots of people. but is it taking too long and do you think that that strategy is effective, that it's not on tv every minute the way the republicans did benghazi, it's not in your face, they're not pushing? do you think that that's a mistake? >> i'll get to that. i sort of want to just object to one point you're making, that it kind of makes the voter intimidation things worse. is i actually don't know that there's proof that the more people vote that necessarily helps democrats. the biggest non-voting demographic in this country is working-class white people. that's the biggest by raw numbers. the people who don't vote. so if everyone voted there would be more working-class white people voting -- >> to be more specific, tim, it's poor white people. it's not even working class people. it's poor white folks. but i think what the right is trying to do is to appeal to their id, to say don't think about what you can get from government, just think about being white. think about the fact that non-white people are trying to take over the country. think about every minute, think about how afraid you would be if non-white people ran this country. they're trying to appeal to the worst instincts, the tribal instincts. because they know that. they ain't doing this -- they're doing this to get out more of those people. they want to get more of them to vote. but i'm sorry, go ahead. i think we agree. >> obviously there are some folks that are participating in that, others that aren't. but i m my point is the undermining democracy isn't even necessary. it's bad strategy and it's corrupt. and i think that to me is an important thing to understand, that they're trying to cut these corners by suppressing vote when they actually have a lot of opportunity to get voters. anyway, for another day. but on january 6th, i think that this is a criticism that we could maybe level next spring. talk to me next spring. i have friends that are working on the committee. they're obviously not sharing private stuff with me. but it seems like they're going through a very thorough process. just kind of what has leaked about what mark meadows alone gave them before he quit to get back into mr. trump's good graces i think is really damning. and there's a bunch of other stuff that hasn't yet leaked. so look, i think that if we're in the same place now next july, there should be pitchforks out there saying what are you doing, committee? like let's get on tv, let's do something. but i think that there's -- i think there's a reasonable amount of time. there's a lot of folks they've got to get through. and the names you just said they added, brian jack is one that stands out to me. he worked in the white house and then moved to work for mccarthy. so i think that a lot of the obstruction you see from mccarthy is because he knows he's got people inside his own house like brian jack who are complicit in this. and so i think that it's noteworthy that they're adding somebody like him. >> these hearings that are going to take place on monday, we're going to be covering them on this show, and i can tell you we're going to be talking a lot about that powerpoint presentation that mark meadows has apparently turned over, 38-some-odd-page powerpoint, a step by step on how to overturn the election. the jenna memo in which she essentially stated that the vice president of the united states could legitimately ignore the election and essentially steal it for donald trump. there was a systematic attempt to steal this election from its rightful winner in order to force donald trump to stay in power. it's frightening how detailed and how thorough these people were. but hopefully that is what the january 6th committee will bring out. and whoever they have to subpoena, if they have to charge everybody with obstruction, please get this information out so that this does not happen to us again and that next time they're not successful. tim miller, barbara mcquade, thank you both. really appreciate you both. and up next on "the reidout," the united states supreme court leaves the extreme texas abortion law in place. but that is not the end of this legal battle. plus, the stunning level of food insecurity in america. my conversation with award-winning chef andrew zimmern. >> hungry children don't study well, sleep less, more prone to disease. the cost escalates because then they start becoming a health care problem. >> "the reidout" continues after this. 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writing "this choice to shrink from texas's challenge to federal supremacy will have far-reaching repercussions. i doubt the court let alone the country is prepared for them. the court should have put an end to this madness months ago." without an injunction the vast majority of abortions remain inaccessible. even more harrowing, the texas law is only the beginning. joining me now is dr. bavik kumar of the planned parenthood center for choice in houston, texas. he is an abortion provider. and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. let's start with you, dr. kumar. can you talk about the real-world repercussions of the supreme court allowing this law to stand, this texas law? >> yeah, absolutely. it's been over 100 days that we've been living in texas under senate bill 8 and, you know, we've known that when you ban abortion it doesn't stop people from needing abortion. so we continue to see people who need to not be pregnant. unfortunately, the vast majority of people that we see we can't take care of them under senate bill 8 and we're having to tell them to go out of state to find child care, to find time off of work, to find the financial resources to travel while we're still under a global pandemic. and for many patients that i see that's simply not a reality. it's not a possibility. and so a lot of people are being forced to carry their pregnancies to term and it's simply unethical and inhumane to be the conduits of this law every single day. >> yeah. it's a forced birth law, not -- there's nothing humane or pro-life about it. it's just forced birth. they just want to make people give birth. and then they really could give a damn what happens to the woman, the child. they don't really care, you know, christina, because this is only about controlling women. and punishing women. because they want women to be 100% in the control of men. there's this -- this is a distance -- the gutmacher institute puts out the data of how far women would have to travel one way to seek an abortion if a total ban is put in place. in louisiana you have to go 666 miles. 575 in florida. 542 in texas. 495 in mississippi. 384 in montana. and we're talking about 26 states that would instantly have laws that would ban abortion if in fact roe, and i would say when roe goes. your thoughts on this. sonia sotomayor is a hero. she's the voice of conscience on that body. but she's kind of on her own. you know, there are three votes and the other side has six. >> absolutely, joy. i mean, first of all, we have to say i'm very critical of former president barack obama, but we have to say that this appointment of sonia sotomayor to the bench is one of the crown jewels of his accomplishments. >> yes. >> just without stop. i think, you know, when i talk about abortion and roe v. wade in class, i want to be very clear because democrats also have fallen into the trap of saying pro life and pro xhois. this isn't a discussion about pro life. >> no, it's not. >> because as you said, joy, republicans don't care once a baby is born. they also by and large believe in the death penalty. >> correct. >> we're talking about pro choice or anti-choice. does a woman have the autonomy over her own body to make decisions that she thinks is correct? we have so many men, and i'm sure dr. kumar can speak to this, so many men who don't understand the physiology of what it takes when a woman does or does not have her period. he with know so many poem do not have regular periods, especially women of color who are dealing with fibroids at young ages. we also know most women don't know they're pregnant for weeks. so just the pure bottom line of how we even know about pregnancy, know about sex, we know it's not going to happen. i mean, abstinence, we've seen time and time again, republican-controlled states that have abstinence only they have high pregnancy rates, high std rates, high rates of people having unwanted pregnancies or using, you know, sort of back room abortions like it's the 1960s. so it's really an assault, an attack on women, and it will be a real assault and attack on women who don't have the same means, financial means as others because as we've seen, you know, 500 miles, that's time and the cost. not just the emotional cost. the physical cost of buying gas, finding someone who has a car, which we know that many women, especially in rural and suburban communities actually don't have access to that. to say nothing of staying over, some of these places that make you wait, say, 24 hours. you could lose your job while waiting. so you're making a choice for yourself and your family. and there have been so many brave women who've spoken up about getting abortions and how it really saved their life so they could actually do the thing that they wanted to do later on in life. and i think a lot of men and women, republican women, don't understand it. and sadly many of them are on the bench. >> well, you're in a state, dr. kumar -- these states that are trying to ban abortion are also at the bottom when it comes to maternal health, women being able to survive childbirth, period. they won't expand medicaid. so a lot of the time 18%, 19% of their population are poor, don't have the money for education, the bottom, children are going hungry. so once these children are forced -- they force women to carry these children, the it not like they're getting great health care in the state of texas. it's not like they can even maybe be warm in their home. they don't even care about the power grid. they don't care if these people live or die after they're born. there's a story here -- zaina zamora who lives in the rio grande valley says we're looking at 12-plus hours to get your abortion appointment. many people don't have paid time off as he with just heard from christina greer, that's just the beginning. child care, money for food, lodging, transportation, you just heard that from christina greer as well. can you talk about the women who are coming in and getting care? because i think a lot of republicans believe that abortion is some casual thing people are choosing to do like a fun thing to do on their day off and they don't care, that there's no emotion involved, they aren't concerned. can you just talk about the women that you're seeing and who are they? >> yeah. and just to respond to that, i don't think it's that republicans don't understand. i think they may understand. it's that they don't care. it's the caring part that's missing for so many of them. but the people that i see are thoughtful. they know what's best for them. they oftentimes already have kids at home. they know what it's like to be pregnant. and it's important to just think about pregnancy in and of itself. carrying a pregnancy and being pregnant has not only physical tolls but also mental tolls. and that's something that somebody has to consider and decide if they want to continue and take on. if it's right for their family, if it's right for them, if it's right for everything that they have going on. and then if they've been prepping nant before, they know what it's like. they know what it's like to have a child. they know what resources are required, what it takes to raise a child appropriately, and many of my patients are saying to me that i simply don't have that to give. i don't have the financial resources. i don't have the ability to parent a child. i'm not in the right place. and they're making a decision that's smart. making a decision that's mature, thoughtful, and rational about what's best for them. and again, oftentimes what's best for their families. and it it doesn't mean that it's always easy, but they know it's the right decision. and we do that all the time in our lives. we make decisions that may be difficult, may be complex, may be nuanced but we know it's the right thing to do and that's what all of my patients are experiencing. >> indeed. and none of these republicans -- don't 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households. more than 9 million adults lived in households with very low food insecurity. 6 million children lived in households in which both the children and the adults were food insecure, and half a million children lived in households in which one or more child experienced very low food security. i recently spoke with award-winning chef, social activist and the new goodwill ambassador for the united nations world food program, andrew zimmern, and i asked him how covid exacerbated the food insecurity problem in this country. >> well, just like it's done globally, we have experienced a potential 15-year setback in the fight against hunger and the fight against food waste. you know, globally it's the same story as it is here at home. it's conflict, climate change, covid-19, and the rising cost of food. and it is absolutely staggering to me that in america at the end of 2021 that we are still sitting here talking about a problem that is solvable because we produce enough food to feed all americans as well as the 7 billion-person global population. i will also point out to our viewers the numbers that you put up on the screen are probably anywhere from 10% to 25% too low. one of the problems of stats when it relates to hunger and food insecurity is there aren't a lot of people jumping up and down. those who are willing to say yes, yes, yes, i need food, i'm not able to feed my family, that very brave man who was in the -- in the scene we just saw that ali was reporting on, is a responsible parent who's out there saying yes, this is the situation that i'm in. but we have found there's so much stigma attached with hunger it's the people who were above the poverty line precovid, that 15%, 18% of americans that dropped below the poverty line in march of last year, april of last year, those are the ones who are not jumping up and down raising their hand. it's absolutely heartbreaking. and it is all related to those four cs, climate change, cost, covid and conflict. >> you know, it's interesting that you mention climate change, cost, and covid and conflict. there's a big debate right now about whether or not, you know, democrats can get through this build back better act, which a lot of what it addresses feels like it's about this. i remember you and i talked almost a year ago now about the restaurant act and having to like try to help people at every level of the food chain. you need to make sure that the restaurant workers can still work, that the people who do the meatpacking can still work and making sure it all kind of works. and there was some help for people back then and ppp, et cetera. but now it's like how are we having this fight about whether to extend, let's say, the child tax credit, give people a little more money to buy food with? does it strike you as just insane that we are still dithering about whether or not to spend more money to make sure that people can get three square meals a day? >> i think it's beyond insane. you and i have talked about this so many times. i've used the word criminal when we talk about hunger. it is not a problem that we don't have a solution to. we have enough food in america. we don't have the political will to actually change the laws. when you just talk about children, we have schools all over america. if we passed a national school meals program where we fed young people and used schools as the hubs, they are all over. whether or not a child is attending a certain educational facility, there are schools spread out all over. they all have cafeterias. if we subsidize schools to the degree that we subsidize farmers who are growing crops for export -- by the way, farm to freighter, not necessarily food for human consumption -- we would be doing ourselves a much greater service. not only are we consigning those children to hunger, but remember, there are greater chance that's their outcomes are going to be less sufficient than we would want. hungry children don't study well, sleep less, more prone to disease. the cost escalates because then they start becoming a health care problem and they get some of the big food-related diseases like diabetes and heart disease as young adults. and we're seeing early onset pediatric diabetes numbers going through the roof because as we saw earlier people are being fed cheap calories instead of healthy calories. we really do have a national embarrassment here that borders on the criminal. we have enough food to reach people, and we desperately need congress to take notice of this. it's shocking to me. >> yeah, absolutely. i know when we were kids in denver we used to go to mcglone elementary school which whether or not that was your elementary school in the summer we could get a meal. it saved a lot of kids and a lot of parents who didn't necessarily have money to pack a lunch in the summertime. last thing, there is this venn diagram. let me put up the states that have the most food insecurity. it turns out it's the states that have the lowest rates of getting people vaccinated. it turns out it's the same states where medicaid wasn't expanded. it turns out there's just this part of america, unfortunately it is red america, where you're seeing all of this. isn't it the case that the more that kids are out of school, let's say, because of covid, they have to learn at home, the more they're away from a good nutrition program, the more that they're basically trapped by covid, the hungrier kids are going to be? don't we have to solve covid in order to start solving hunger? >> i think it's -- you're not incorrect. and i agree with you. i know where you're going with this, and i agree with you 100%. it's really a mobius strip. so you just have to sort of drop in anywhere on that mobius strip and solve the problem and eventually if you go astronaut style question by question and solve it you can solve it. i'll describe it a slightly different way. we have talked about those near 800,000 people dying. some people say they've died of covid. some people assert they died of misinformation. i cloned that comment. i did not create it. it's the same thing with the hunger issues as well. there is disinformation about food in those states, about nutrition in those states. the disinformation battle is being lost and that's increasing our hunger challenge as well. >> yeah, absolutely. and if you increase those co-morbidities like diabetes, et cetera, it actually makes you more vulnerable to dying of covid. it's all connected. andrew zimmern, you are great. thank you so much. always appreciate the chance to talk with you. >> thank you, joy. all right. well, who won the week is still ahead. but first, sorting through an absolute avalanche of political news from across america and around the world with dean oebdla and tiffany cross. stay with us. tiffany cross stay with us like pulsing, electric shocks, sharp, stabbing pains, or an intense burning sensation. what is this nightmare? it's how some people 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world ♪ president biden's democracy summit came to a close today as the united states continues to grapple with its own small d democratic crisis. the republican party's total embrace of the disgraced twice-impeached former president's big lie. today naacp legal defense fund president sherrilyn ifill told the summit the former president was just the accelerant to a dangerous flame that was already building. >> democracies require constant tending, and racism and the denial of equal justice remain a part of american life. what began as an assault on the right of racial minorities has now metastasized onto a full-on assault on our democracy itself. >> joining me now dean obeidallah, msnbc columnist and host of the dean obeidallah show on sirius xm. and tiffany cross, host of the cross connection on msnbc every saturday. you should be watching and listening to both of these programs. let's talk about this democracy challenge. and i'll start with you, dean. it was great to see sherrilyn ifill out there speaking for democracy. it's great the president convened this summit. i'm glad they're giving attention to it. but do you think that calling attention to it in the way that they did, is that a good first step or what are your thoughts? >> i think we're almost at a point where western democracies are going to host a summit about our democracy. look at america. they're going to be sending their thoughts and prayers to our democracy if the democrats don't show the fierce urgency of now. i've never been more concerned about my democracy, this democracy, ever. yet what's concerning to me is there was a poll two months ago. only 40% of democrats think our democracy is under attack. yet 70% of republicans think it's under attack. why? because the gop leadership in one voice is saying they're taking away your right to vote, they're taking away your voice, and democratic leaders are making a speech here and there and not one unified loud voice saying our democracy's under attack. i think this democracy summit, sure, great. we need one in america. we need president biden, vice president harris, and our democratic leaders and chuck schumer traveling the country talking about this even if it alienates some republicans they want to do bipartisan work with. because these guys have passed 3 it laws in 19 states and our democracy is under threat. >> joe madison the black eagle is currently on a hunger strike for voting rights. we just found out today that some arizona students are now also on a hunger strike to try to push kyrsten sinema to at least care about voting rights, which she says she does. we have this headline here, tiffany, that during the whole hold up a bible photo op that donald trump wanted to do according to mark meadows' book he also told staff that he wanted police to bust some heads of black lives matter protesters outside of the white house. he said not only do you have the authority, i want you to go out there and bust some heads and make some arrests, we need to restore order. he wanted that to happen so that he could go up and do his bible photo op. so this is an autocrat. it's not a normal president. the fact that that's in a book and he got away with it, your thoughts. >> here's my thing, joy. i'm really surprised that other people are surprised when more revelations about his inciting violence come out. we always knew who this man was. on the campaign trail he -- >> hold on one second, tiffany. we're having some issues with your audio. i'm going to let sound go ahead and work on your audio. hold that thought because want you to come back and finish your thought. so we're going to get your audio cleaned up. and i'll go to you on that, dean. the treatment of protesters in this country is something that if it was another country we'd be saying oh, we need to get the u.n. in there or we need to get one of our agencies in there because this is a country that is not normal. right? when the tiananmen square thing happened we said oh, china, there's something wrong with the way you're treating protesters. the president of the united states want aid tiananmen square-style moment so he could have a photo op. >> and you're absolutely right. other countries -- our own state department would want sanctions against another country if they were doing that to their people. but in america the gop has no problem with it. this is the same donald trump who really is the bull connor of the -- he wanted to use violence against black protesters and their white allies who simply wanted equality for black people, simply wanted black lives to matter. the same donald trump who said nfl players who took a flee in silence, that was too much for them. called them s.o.b.s and said they should be fired. donald trump's consistent in one thing. his demonization of people of color for political gain. and sadly, joy, it plays well in this gop. >> he's even now mad at netanyahu. he said eff him because he congratulated joe biden. that guy was a complete sycophant to him. anything trump wanted he sort of made him a hero in his country, in israel, and the way he talked about jewish people, thinking american jewish people were citizens of israel. all of that stuff. netanyahu was fine with it. and now he's like eff him, he congratulated biden. i want to talk to you about this other thing because we've had this rash of republicans who are like posing with their children with guns, doing these sort of demonstrations of sort of this is our potential level of violence that we can show, which we know, you know, either a muslim or black family would be attacked for doing it. and just that sort of reveling in violence and reveling in shooters and lifting up and building up people who shoot and kill people as heroes. very quickly, dean, and then i want to get tiffany back in. >> it's part and parcel of this gop. it's authoritarian plus embraced violence which is why we say academically it's a fascist movement. they do not fear threatening us with weapons or a january 6-style attack. they actually are literally defending the attackers. as a muslim if i ever dared defend any terrorist, i would have been destroyed. but the gop is literally defending the terrorists who attacked their capitol and they're fine with it. that's who the gop is. >> absolutely. okay, tiffany, we got your audio back. finish your thought about the violence that was perpetrated for the book hold-up photo op. >> well, i wanted to just really quickly ping back on what dean said. not only would dean be, you know, vilified if he defended, but this society requires that every muslim you know come out and, you know, distance themselves from these kind of attacks. i think we need to start demanding the same of these republicans. speaking of violent republicans, yes, the trumpster fire that was donald trump, he called for violence on the campaign trail, joy. you remember in the audience he would signal people in the audience and say knock the hell out of them, i'll pay your legal bills. and his supporters were violent. which again, this is all cyclical. this is why i have a challenge when people say it ain't your grandmother's republican party. i beg to differ, my friend. it absolutely is. this is the only republican party i've known. do we think what happened on the edmund pettis bridge was peaceful? do we think the multiple lynchings and jokes about lynchings that still exist among some in the republican party are just hyperbolic? i mean these are things that are rooted in historical facts and data that they are adamantly trying to keep not being taught anywhere so they can reinvent a narrative. but we have the memory, the scars and the receipts, joy. the republican party has constantly been rooted in this kind of political violence. >> my favorite when they try to dunk on us on social media and say yeah, that's the democratic party. it's like we remember the white flight out of the democratic party when black folks started voting in it. y'all left and went to the republican party which no one ever thought southern white people would want to be republicans because of abraham lincoln and their hatred of lincoln. but they hated sharing the party with black folks more. so you saw this white flight out of the democratic party which, yes, used to be the right-wing violent party of lynching and the klan. people exited that and went in y'all party. now it's the republicans. we know history. we actually like learning history. dean and tiffany are sticking around to play who won the week and that is just after this short break. don't go anywhere. our retirement plan with voya, keeps us moving forward. hey, kevin! hey, guys! they have customized solutions to help our family's special needs... hey, graduation selfie! well done! and voya stays by our side, keeping us on track for retirement... ...giving us confidence in our future... ...and in kevin's. you ready for your first day on the job? i was born 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"the cross connection" has hit the toddler stage, one year old. my god. it has been an incredible, incredible journey. i watch it every saturday, i would never miss it. in a normal world i would have said joe biden because the economic numbers look incredible. but i've got to say tiffany cross. but joe biden, you co-won the week with tiffany. thank you so much, dean, tiffany. be sure to join tiffany tomorrow. her guests include congresswoman ayana pressley, atlanta mayor andre dickens. that is tonight's "reid out." "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> you know what was trending on the internet? where's ruby? because they thought she'd be in jail. where's ruby? >> what sure looks like another piece of the trump coup plot is exposed in georgia. >> we didn't wanting to frighten you, but we had to find this. you are a loose end for a party that needs to tidy up. >> bombshell reporting from reuters. a kanye west publicist pressured a georgia election worker to confess to bogus election fraud two days before january 6th. >> i cannot say what specifically will take place. i just know that it will disrupt your freedom. >> tonight what this revelation means for the investigation of donald trump's coup attempt and what it means for the ongoing march to undermine democracy. then what we learned from the alarming supreme court decision on the texas abortion ban and why there's genuinely good news on the vaccination drive in a place you might not expect, when "all in" starts right now.

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