joe and me. >> michael, your party? >> get out. >> don't go there. >> man, i have not finished my coffee yet. >> what's wrong with them? they're ex communicating people from the church and the republican party, voted for a bipartisan bill but they're talking about killing aoc. >> when you catch the infection, and you don't treat it, this is what you get. you get sicker and sicker. that's what you see happening. it's something when you stop and think about just the way you put it out there that they were stripped of liz cheney of her leadership and cast aside kinzinger but they embraced a man talking about killing a political opponent. >> there are two republican parties now? you got the center elizabeth that's a bit more mainstream. then you got the house that's full on insurrectionists and full on murder meme and performance arts. these are people speaking of generations, now they get elected so they can be sock jocks on the back bed. >> the answer is yes. gerrymandering is a big part of it. it's only going to get worse the next election. there is been violence throughout. we have talked about this throughout. there is been violence throughout american history before the civil war. what's difference now is political violence, a major party is basically embraing it and condoing it. that's really different today and scaring a lot of people. as aoc said yesterday, can we just say this is not acceptable. one republican after another stand up and defending this. >> let's get right to this. the first time more than a decade the house yesterday voted to sensor a member of congress by a 223-207 tally. paul gosar was stripped foreign policy his assignments. more on that in a moment. the punishment comes after gosar posted a violent cartoon edited to appear to kill a congresswoman and kevin mccarthy blasted democrats for destroying the institution and silencing ing minority. leading to this response by congresswoman ocasio-cortez. >> it's a sad day in which a member who leads a political party in the united states of america can not bring themselves to say that issuing a depiction of murdering a member of congress is wrong. what's so hard about saying this is wrong? this is not about me. this is not about representative gosar, this is about what we are willing to accept. >> madame speaker, not since the civil war has congress operated under the constant threat of violence from some of its own members. here we are. that's the behavior that mr. gosar has encouraged. i should not have been surprised having watched so many colleagues who supported the insurrectionists who nearly killed us on january 6th. we can't let the republican party make congress a workplace in america where violence is not a crime but a credential. if we don't hold mr. gosar accountable, we are standing up for the safety of our colleagues, for the safety of congresswoman ocasio-cortez, and for the future of our democracy. >> well, that was well put. >> willie, it's crazy where you do have a party that the fringes in congress sitting in congress are talking about violence and there is one example after another example, remember congresswoman from north georgia had a campaign ad i guess on facebook where she's holding a weapon, ar-15 and she had four democratic members basically saying she was going after them in a sense. time and time again there is violent imagery and this is happening. members of congress and the republican party. >> it does not happen in a vacuum. it's a cartoon and anime, these things are not happening in a vacuum, they're happening in a time of heighten violence and people are compel of what they see here to try to overturn a presidential election so this may be just close to facebook or twitter on members of congress. the people who are getting those signals may be something else. as we have said only two republicans, adam kinzinger and liz cheney voted with democrats to sensor gosar. congressman kinzinger followed his vote to sensor. let me understand, gosar's creep my anime of murder is okay but john katko is the sinner for negotiaing and voting for infrastructure? many republican members of congress want to punish the 13 members of their party who voted for the infrastructure bill by stripping them of committee assignments. those 13 house republican members have been called traitors by members of their own party and have had their kak information posted online. two of them reported death threats. one republican, a freshman from georgia questioned why two of those new york republicans are even on the homeland security committee in the first place saying this to reporters, quote," what's a guy up in new york have to do with homeland security"? should it be someone down along the border? >> oh my god. >> willie, that's a special kind of stupid. somebody asking what does somebody from hawaii knows about how world war ii starting? sheer insanity. >> she's talking about a congressman from new york, john katko voted for a republican bill and wondering why she would be in homeland security. there is no need for explanation. that's either staggering stupidity or just trolling. i think in this case it's probably a combination of the two. >> you look at this republican party and you look and why does this matter? >> if this were a party david destined for a party, it would be voted out. here you have kevin mccarthy who desperately want to be speaker of the house, embarrasses republicans in the senate everyday of his stupidity. and he's my god, if vegas were putting odds out there, you have to say an overwhelming favorite to be the next speaker of the house. republicans are so lined up in '22. everything that's happening now not only has an impact on kevin mccarthy being the next speaker of the house but also it happens in '24 when a whole bunch of crazy people if they continue down this trajectory are going to be deciding what votes they allow to be counted for the electoral college and what votes don't and then the united states of america then runs into a real constitutional crisis. >> it's does, it's interesting. this is normal more a mainstream political party. mccarthy does sort of ring bells from the 1950s. mccarthyism under kevin mccarthy is slightly different because he'll be the leader and is the speaker. it's clearly following a mob idea about american democracy that's the big lie essentially. he's going to prosecute as speaker with the majority of stays being republican control and therefore the ability to carry out -- so it's sort of new mccarthism. trump has been branding against mitch mcconnell. >> a constant battle everyday and voting for the infrastructure bill. and 19 republican senators voting for infrastructure which trump ran on. so i don't think there is any griping party. it no longer depends to the democratic party. the challenges to alert people to do this. it becomes very easy to get dumb. the challenges whether the democrats or remaining 14 months. they are in power. whether they're going to pass voting rights legislation that actually protects, not the democratic party but western psychological democracy. style democracy. >> we are sitting here watching democrats yelling over the hall over numbers. you can have right wing state legislatures. >> the voting rights bill they are talking about is way water down from where it started. it's not going to make a difference in those states at all. that's the great fear. we are not aware of it. it kind of happen under the wire. it happened during the trump administration. they methodically put in people in the state republican party, we are going to push this and now we are aware of it but not a whole lot people can do about it. >> there is a full frontal asult that i think to your point democrats need to wrap their head around and do the politics on. >> you are sitting here arguing policies but republicans are moving in politics. you got to your point at the state and local level, you got the in filtration of our election system of individuals will be running for secretaries of state or boards of elections. then you got to your point on something like voting rights, big issue that's sitting there. all you have to do is pull the politics on. just do it. push back on what you see coming off capitol hill of republicans and make them own their opposition to it. if you don't do the politics on this then you are absolutely right. it does not matter because by the time you get into 2022, it's too late. >> by the way, if there are exceptions for federal judges on the filibuster, if there are exceptions for supreme court nominees on the filibuster which is make no mistake of it, the number one issue for the republican base and it has been for generations then there is no excuse, no excuse at all for democrats not to make an exception to the filibuster for voting rights and civil rights. that's as easy as it gets, no excuses. >> mitch mcconnell will tell you that's his legacy he hopes of all of those judges while people have been yelling about other things put in place over his ten tenure. >> meanwhile, republicans continue to go after liz cheney, no surprise there. ted cruz going after her. cheney continues to fire back. here is cheney's response. >> she falls into the category of people who donald trump just broke and just shattered. you and i old enough to have played pinball games. she hates donald trump so much that it just, it had overridden. she's becoming a democrat, it's sad to watch what's happening. it's trump's derangement syndrome. >> i think trump broke ted cruz. ted used to say he was a constitutional conservative but now he's like so desperate for political approval that he'll advocate, suggest secession and i think that a real man would be defending his wife and father and the constitution. >> joe, we know that ted cruz says whatever needs to be said. ted cruz of all people talking about being broken by donald trump. he had horrible things to say about donald trump during the campaign and donald trump insulted his wife and accused his father being the assassination of jfk and now he rallies to trump's defense when ever he gets the chance. >> when we are kids, we stick our hands-on the hot stove and you don't keep doing it. ted -- he keeps going after liz cheney. >> she's going to talk about ted not being a real man for not standing up for his wife. >> okay. >> my god. and she says he's not a real man for not standing up for his daddy. it's hard for me to believe. most men i know in texas if you insult their wives and daddies? i know texans, they don't put up with that. liz understands. she's wyoming, they don't take this, people accusing their daddy of murder and calling their wife ugly but here is poor ted. >> they underestimate her and questioning his manhood. she's right. as willie pointed out, shall we not forget about the things ted cruz said about donald trump during the primaries. it's like amnesia. >> everything you say is projection or confession. that was what's happening in that interview because, you know, i would say liz cheney, people like me, you, we look back at the republican party. you don't see me like crying on the show. oh, i was wrong about deficits. i was wrong. no, i am who i am, i hope i am maturing in areas of blind spots. i am who i am and liz cheney is who she is. i had a 95% of acu rate. ted cruz sold his soul to a failed game show host and he's the one who's bobbing around like a pinball machine like donald trump is the most horrible human-being ever. he's trash and how dare he said that about my wife and my dad assassinating jfk and donald trump gets power and suddenly -- >> the pinball machine keeps going for ted. >> that's why what you see from his supposed right conservative is coming for her. what are we calling for? the reality is who aspect of what she says sums up the whole thing. donald trump broke ted cruz. you can just after broke fill in any number of names of republicans from leadership to whatever, right? and two, to the back end point, she made it very clear that a real man would defend his wife. a real man would honor his father, a real man would defend the constitution. if ted cruz wants to continue to play this game with her, he'll lose. here is the point. if liz and adam and so many others are so insignificant, why are you keep on talking to them and why are you keep on responding and engaging with them? liz, you strip of her power, you are going to primary, what are you worried about? clearly he's worried about something. that's of how he's going to measure the men in the room against one woman? >> if in the corner, if you are taking liz cheney or ted cruz. >> that's an easy call. >> this whole thing, the guy with the little neck from missouri he keeps on talking about mrs. a war on masculinity. can i say here? real men, they >> what have i got to do? i keep on, keeping on. i supposed there is. >> i am sorry. >> you know why? i am a man. >> i am not worried about joe's masculinity. >> okay, willie, please, please make a point. >> we have to say again about liz cheney when we are talking about donald trump breaking liz cheney. during the trump's years, she voted with donald trump much more often than a lot of people are criticizing her. she was never a trumper way back. the breaking point was when she saw americans storming the capitol trying to overturn the election and trying to kill the vice president and speaker of the house. maybe that broke her like a lot of people in this country and having them say enough is enough. the next thing that makes her broken by donald trump in ted cruz's terms is -- and that according to ted cruz and others have broken liz cheney. >> and also liz even during the last year of donald trump's presidency, she got it right on covid. she said something on sense on covid. she told them stop accusing me of murder. we appreciated that. kevin mccarthy did what? >> she was right on covid and vaccines. and she attacked donald trump because you know he wanted to get out of afghanistan which is what's so rich about people criticizing joe biden for getting out of afghanistan because donald trump is the one, liz cheney was warning a year ago. don't do that. >> 12,000 to 2,000. >> and kept wining and kept on trying to get him out of there. still ahead, actor alec baldwin is facing a new lawsuit on the set of his film "rust." lawyers are calling for a mistrial over a crucial piece of video that prosecutors showed the jury for rittenhouse's case. the man accused of killing ahmaud arbery takes his own stance and describing what he called self-defense. >> he was crying. what is he crying about with no gun? and now the two men found guilty in the assassination of malcolm x are expected to have their convictions thrown out. you are watching "morning joe." look at that beautiful shot of the capitol this morning. we'll be right back. >> look at the colors. it's almost like it's an 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tank of gas. this matters and maybe you don't understand it because you are still living in your mom's basement with cheetos, tweeting out -- >> and maybe she's paying for their gas. >> have you noticed i didn't say they're sitting in their underwear. you don't remember some of the late '70s -- >> what's going on? >> inflation exploding from gas prices going from 33 cents to a dollar and people going to the store and seeing milk and bread, the prices, it matters. that's why inflation matters. i am just saying democrats need to address it everyday. and maybe it washes out. we'll have that discussion in a little bit. i think it may wash out the next six months or so but it's a problem right now. this is where voters live right now. don't wish it away. >> inflation is not just taking its toll in the u.s. the consumer price index in great britain rose more than 4% over the year last month. according to that country's office of national statistics. that's worse than having being expected. a 10-year high in the cost of living for british citizens. the rise is more than double the the target. the bank of england expects inflation to rise as high as 5% before falling back to 2% target by the late 2023. >> so ed, explaining all of this, we are talking a lot about the bill, joe manchin talked a lot about the bills putting money into the economy. what's happening here as ratner is saying part of it is maybe the checks but a bigger part is $2.3 trillion is sitting in bank accounts right now because people had money over the pandemic that they could not spend. they got a ton of money and they're going to spend it. >> and they can't for the most part or to the degree they did before spending on services to the same degree they were and concert and etc. the best way of defeating inflation, the president has extremely limited power to do anything about this. biden can name a new fed chair later this week but they're all the same view. he can get rid of this pandemic as quicker as possible. the quicker that spending gets spread away from goods which is where we are seeing most inflations and gets absorbed by the economy. fighting covid more effectively. the shortage of workers that's also bidding up wages, of course eating away all those weight gains that would also be addressed. going back to working at restaurants service jobs, that would increase the labor force. so the central thing that biden could do is just stand on the battle of covid-19. the president has little power here. yesterday he called on the ftc to ask them to begin investigation on high gas prices and whether you should break up the gas big oil companies. it was a pretty weak thing he did but he was just trying to address and he's trying to do something. it's actually true. the democrats point out this is a once in a lifetime, once in a year pandemic and we never had this kind of economy where it's completely shutdown artificially and now it's starting up again and these extraordinary events happening as we get back to a normal economy. >> i would like to talk about strategic petroleum reserve. but, if you are a politician here. please go out and hold al press conference and today go we shall -- tomorrow go, i call on congress to temporarily cut gas taxes now. >> exactly. >> again, this is likely going to wash over the next six or nine months. this is where people live today. it would not be a bad idea for him everyday to have an anti-inflation. >> you can't do that. >> go for it. you got to do it. it's the political thing to do. as much as we have the economics driving this, there is this political piece to your point biden is struggling with this. the ftc is going to investigate. the reality is what you said, how do you talk to people about what they're feeling everyday when they walk out the door, put gas in the car and buy groceries. that's why glenn youngkin figured it out. as a governor of virginia, i am going to eliminate the grocery tax. okay. now you are talking. it's the short term solution to what could be a big problem potentially, politically. >> right. >> that's the sweet spot that they're trying to figure out the administration. the covid piece is an important aspect of that. it's almost like you are sort of in the catch 22, jobs and covid are chasing each other. >> they're doing what they need to do in covid right now. >> you still have to work the issue on the back end because you know now all of a sudden you see these other stars talking about oh, we are seeing an increase in covid and a spike in covid again. that has a chilling effect on the back end of trying to get the economy. >> we got vaccine for kids and pfizer pills and even people who had the tinfoil hats on. they're getting the message about how bill gates is going to put a chip into their brain if they'll get the vaccine that's going to save their life. miracle of science. those people can take the pill. we are not going to see people dying. already death rates for covid and people who have taken the vaccine below the flu. >> this is very -- >> you got to do more than just bringing the death rates down which we have and the vaccine have done. >> here is the thing though, we are going to have to adjust to the new reality. it used to be when infection rates would go up, you would have a certain percentage of deaths. we are moving beyond that. we are so far beyond that to where we were six months ago, post vaccines and again with the pills people are going to be taking where infection is not going to be something that shuts down a newsroom or accounting firm. >> it's a pandemic to endemic. i appreciate they're putting these levers and doing things, there is a risk for that though. >> it's just optics. >> i am just saying optics matter. people see joe biden -- everyday matters. if you cut gas act, people do notice that. they'll talk about it. you hear, biden cuts gas tax, okay, it's about time he does something. >> there will be a political problem there. >> 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>> these wrong convictions have been in plain sight for decades. there was reasons to believe there were innocent and the 55 subsequent years, historians and scholars have continued to uncover evidence. at the time it was overwhelming evidence of their innocence going into it. so this results as a long time coming but obviously it's great to be here. >> david, let's dig into some of that evidence. what was excluded from the trial and what do we know now because of the work that was done and the work of the documentary. what did the jury not hear during that trial? >> well, willie, like you said what the jury did hear was helene testified, i did this crime and these men had nothing to do with it. >> what was hidden was the fbi add a discover of information confirming all the details of what helene said. and all of that was withheld not only with the defense but from the prosecution. nobody knew about this and years later when helene named the name of his coassassins, the fbi continued to hide the fact they had all these people's names. >> why vanessa? if they have a guy who confessed to the murder and he said it was not these two other people. >> that's a question that remains these days and need to be answered. the joint investigation that we focused in, that investigation concluded that the conviction could not stand. the question of why the evidence of their innocence was ignored and why it was ignored at trial. specifically because there was evidence pointing to the true assailant. why was the government willing to let the true assailant walked free and continued with prosecution and incarceration of the individuals. that was the question that needs to be taken of. >> the nation of islam was trying to kill me. the nation of islam was trying to kill me. you looked at this as closely as anybody on earth. what do you think happen that night? >> well, you heard it directly from the person who participated, abdul helene, they traveled to work together and they sat together, there was a preplan attack. there was a diversion stage. while the security was diverted, they attacked malcolm x and two other men fired a pistol at him and killed him. >> elizabeth has a question for you. >> as you see the newspaper did an interesting story about this the last couple of days. i want to follow-up on the earlier question willie had which is sort of recklessness and racism, do you have series about why the fbi and the new york city police department basically suppressed this evidence for 55 years? i know -- >> well, there are a lot of theories. part of the evidence that was suppressed was there was an nypd officer in the ballroom and his observation cooperated with helene's testimony. it came out years later of the 27th trial. so basically, you know, is it because they acted to protect their informants? did they have other motivations? these are questions need to be answered where some of the people involved and even enfor informants for the fbi. >> just to follow up here, michael steele, how have you found the response of the nation of islam and others who had a little more information, how are they responded to your investigations and revelations here and what do you expect will happen going forward to sort of vindicate further. the truth in this matter. >> david? >> well, michael, i don't know what the nation of islam would say about this. the former nation of islam was one of the new witnesses we interviewed during the investigation. he was a man who turned out to be an alibi witness for muhammad aziz. that was important evidence that came up. the evidence of these men innocence have been in plain sight for 55 years and justice have come far too late for them. >> vanessa, before we let you go. khalil islam died decades ago. when you speak to muhammad aziz, how does he feel? he was in prison for a long time for something he didn't do. >> there is something about this day that's vindicating and it's important to go back to correct the historic record. if you have been shouting something for 55 years to have it recognize how significant it's, there is really nothing to celebrate right now. lives. were ruined by these wrong convictions. >> i know both of you have been working on this for a long time. congratulations. thank you both for being here. still ahead this morning. the self-described qanon shaman gets prison time for his role on the january 6th attack u.s. capitol. president biden returns to detroit for an infrastructure victory lap in gmc's new electric hummer. you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. e watching we'll be right back. 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>> it's thursday, november 18th, michael steele is still with us and jonathan lemire and celene cooper joins us and kirk bardella, he's now an adviser, it's good to have all of you at this hour alongside with joe and me. >> it encourages him to leave public life and not people voting for him. i am not making this up. i can't wait to ask him about the hamilton comparison. >> good point. well, for the first time in more than a decade, the house yesterday voted to sensor a member of congress by a 223-207 tally. republican paul gosar was centered and stripped of his committee's assignments. only two republicans, adam kinzinger and liz cheney voted in favor. the punishment comes after gosar posted a violent video on social media edited to appear of his killing congresswoman and slashing the president with a weapon. on the house floor minority leader kevin mccarthy blasted democrats for destroying the institutions and silencing the minority leading to this response by congresswoman ocasio-cortez. >> it's a sad day in which a member who leads a political party in the united states of america can't bring themselves to say that issuing a depiction of murdering a member of congress is wrong. what is so hard about saying that this is wrong? this is not about me, this is not about representative gosar. this is about what we are willing to accept. >> you know michael steele, one of the things -- a progressive on twitter would say oh, the republican party have always been the same. >> whatever. >> it got to this -- i don't know if it's a straight line. there were elements of this. it's so bizarre that the years i was on the hill and the years of you running the committee, the years you were a republican -- any member that anything like this, they would be sent out to the front and the speaker whoever it was would say this is what's going to happen, we'll strip you from the committee and condemn you and you are going to sit in the front row and you are going to take it. >> if you don't, we'll strip you from your committee and we'll let all of our supporters and our base and donors know that you have embarrassed us. they have no problem calling people to the front of the caucus. at least when i was there when i stepped out of the line and tearing them up. here you have kevin mccarthy going what in the world and how in the world they condemn somebody who's putting out videos and cartoons talking about the killing of another member and slashing of the president. >> there was a general understanding appreciation of the institution and what it meant to the members and how the members supported that institution where there was a water's edge for the partisanship what would play out. there is appreciation for the integrity of the relation even i may disagree with you politically. when the goal is to be the speaker at all all costs then y don't give a damn about that institution or the impact or the behaviors people have. when you have kevin mccarthy on the house floor addressed everything else. he's going off about inflation and he's talking about worm holes, who the hell knows what he's talking about as oppose to reckoning the reality which is why ocasio-cortez comes back and says dude, what's so hard in calling this action wrong and she puts it in dark relief for the country to see. of course, there is not even a whimpering respond. >> it can't be c-span if they paid attention to this week's of mr. gosar. the episode reveals many members of congress now behave as if their job is to become social media influencers or cable the tv stars as opposed to accomplishing something. the "editorial board" also criticized democrats. they're now awaiting for a congressional budget off of a multi trillion dollars. i don't understand. that's one thing that we did obsess about. you know who else were obsessed about it? the wall street editorial page. i remember in '93 and '94 republicans mocking bill clinton for not paying enough attention. this may win, a murder animated cartoon verses the congressional -- >> this is it is journal editorial page though. if they are going to criticize republicans, they have to put that in there. it goes against the great of the wall street journal to do this. >> the bigger point before they had virtue signal to their base. the bigger point is what we were saying. this is all about, it's just -- you know being an influencer. >> yeah. >> being an influencer on twitter and getting as many likes and retweets instead of legislating. >> it's on brand for republicans now. this is what the gop does know. we had a great story last week just about how much so many republicans across the board are now resorting to violent threats and to that sort of thing. it's something that now appears to be sort of this thing about the moment and so it's not just on twitter but on the phone call and the infrastructure bill and republicans and democrats and congressional people. you see this all. >> i was as republican on the hill and michael, when you were on the hill. i can't think of a parallel where a republican or a democrat like mock another side with violence suggesting they kill them in a cartoon or anything else. we had steve king. again, we got kicked off committee for doing a hell a lot less than what's going on in the house floor right now. >> i am old enough to remember the steve kings thought this was jokes and being mocked by their colleagues. those types of people have been manifesting themselves into paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene. >> i am trying to walk mentally what it would be like among your colleagues. here is when we are going to do, i want you to make a super hero murdering of one of my colleagues. can't fathom what that conversation is like and staff being a former staffer actually execuing it. >> this is beyond anything i have ever saw in anybody's office. >> it's a complete breach of what this institution is about. >> no workplace in america where you can do this and never get a job ever again. >> you would be fired in a second. >> working towards some sort of outside force whether it's trump or the attention of twitter or the constitution of the people of the united states. and willie, while all of this happens on capitol hill, what's the president is doing? >> this is the conversation on capitol hill right now. now they're turning towards the white house celebrating the path of the infrastructure package and telling people what's in it and what it means for them. president biden got a firsthand look at the future of american automobile yesterday touring general motors in michigan. the president signs million dollars of dollars at the factory. the president as you may expect got behind the wheel and test drove one of gm's new electric hummers. the car goes 0 to 60 in three seconds. while at the facility, president biden also promoted the second half of his agenda and stressed the economic benefits of his plans. >> i want to mention three piece of good news today. first, through the leading agency of wall street confirmed today, the economic proposal we put forward for the situation, the infrastructure law we just signed in the build back better bill plan are being considered this week in congress will not add to inflationary pressure in the economy. we actually created 710,000 more jobs in the country than previously reported. on top of the 5.6 million we created have been counted. what made public today what they told me about a week ago that they're stocked up for the holiday season. their inventories are up and they have all the toys and what shoppers are looking for the holiday season. >> two days ago, in new hampshire walking across an old bridge that needs repaired yesterday, burning some rubbers and doing donut in that hummer. he's celebrating this package but also making pitch there, a hill to climb. a lot of democrats have said i am waiting to see what this thing is going to cost and how it's paid for. >> vegas took the odds off the board yesterday. president biden getting behind the vehicle. there is always the brief moment, is this a good idea and he goes - the president though, this is part of a victory lap here. it's the white house responding to criticism where they were not out there selling it. hey, this legislation, this has things you like and we are doing good things for you. he's on the road now and he'll be out next week in north carolina on monday. certainly they hope the build back better bill moves to the house this week. democrats seemed confidence that it will. debates start today and the vote will be there. that's still some weeks ahead. i still think it's noteworthy that the president and his team responding to the economic concerns right now. the language is changed. now they're saying it won't add to it. they are acknowledging prices are up and supplies change and and shortages. there are worries about the political dangers they could be facing in the weeks ahead. >> the economy is like everybody is riding and it's just rapid. >> there are so many things going and you get the jobs report with the adjustment and the biggest adjustments of 700,000 jobs were reported earlier. you look at unemployment low, it's going to keep going lower. you look at again $2.3 trillion so i can have that steve ratner's op-ed having $2.0 trillion right now. >> i am not saying inflation is transitory, i do think over the next six to nine months, this washes out in way that's going to be really great for mesh p american consumers if everything keeps going. >> i think you are right there. and so it begs the question what's the problem? you are right, we look at you know where the economy is and i get a lot of people feel the angst because they know the prices of gas and loaf of bread. >> right, that's what they are seeing today. >> how do they ride this? it's not this intense spike and it's going to flat-line up. wait, how do they ride that wave? they ride that wave of how the messaging comes out of the administration and how they talk about all of this to the american people and how you begin to help them esther angs t angst and concerns. if you help them ride through that and you take the inflation pressure which is not an economic inflation but an anxiety that you have providing for your family. >> the guy is the president of the united states is a trust fund bank. he didn't inherit $4 million. >> he didn't go to harvard or yale or princeton or harvard law school or whatever. he's this scranton guy and adel a delaware guy. i know he does not like to talk about his family. he can talk about it because he lived it and he understands it better than most people who have been presidents over the past 20 years or so. that's how you ride the wave. i know where you are because i have been there. my dad had been there and my mom and family been there. we'll get you through it knowing better days are ahead. >> there is a pop-up biden story he can pull out. he does talk about it that's why they moved from scranton to delaware because his father left his job. he's not one of the presidents who came into office with hundreds of millions of dollars like his predecessor. the white house acknowledges and over the summer they were talking to us, they were not sure it's going to be this bad and they now know it's going to be this bad. this will be the dominant headlines the next few months. once things will start to improve and the idea is even politics is hard, people will remember that. the wave will turn right ahead of the midterms. if democrats are getting credit for economic turn around and people have money and services coming back, that's a political win. >> i can't think of a better advocate than biden. there is nothing beats the image of him driving that car in detroit. >> i want to see stuff like that. we can't be shy about wheeling it or using it or showing the american people what these policies look like in action that we can set the stage for that come back that you just talked about. the narrative, listen, we had some rough times ahead but the american story is one about resiliency. one thing i don't hear enough from democrats. i hear from republicans all the time. i am proud to be an american. and i love this country. i want all of you to join me in that pursuit and what we saw yesterday was innovation, economy, a powerful image of the president. we need to see that everyday. >> by the way, if you are in one of those swing districts, i get two words for you. lee greenwood. >> seriously. >> last hour we were talking off camera about the ambassadors and the fact that -- >> we don't have any. >> now the most important ambassador on the planet right now is being held up despite the fact he's a bipartisan pick. give us some insights into how bad it is for us standing across the globe. >> it does not lead to wars but it just makes everything, all of these difficult issues across the board, particularly bilateral a whole lot harder to navigate. when was it? was it one month or two months ago where we had our big fight with france. macron would call the french ambassador from washington. we didn't have anybody to recall. we didn't have anybody in paris at the time. there were nobody in paris would smooth the way to talk to the french about how the tony blinken and the administration sort of drop the ball. we didn't have anybody to sort of negotiate that. you have this ambassador and you have ted cruz and josh harley pulling up these ambassadorships. >> well, with ted cruz -- he's upset about this pipeline. this pipeline that he thinks is going to help russia. it's completely built. it's like 90% done at this point and the u.s. pulling out of this would not matter. it's already done. it's josh hawley for his part wants tony blinken and jake sullivan to resign. this is all political theater of the whole idea that politics adopted the water. >>. >> was it like the dolphins or something? >> marco has something now, too. so here is my question. we talked about the last hour of what republicans would do. we start on monday, thanksgiving week, okay, great. so you are going to make this hard? all right. we'll go two hours for ambassadors. we'll be working around the clock, well through thanksgiving. we'll have some canned turkey brought into you guys. when is the white house going to pick up the phone? call chuck schumer, hey, chuck, i need my ambassador for china. >> why do they need to call him? can't he tell? >> i am kind of trying to tell chuck because he watches the show. you can get it done in a week. do what a republican would do, start it monday morning at 9:00 a.m. and work them through thanksgiving. ted will get the message. if he does not, well, you know what -- >> we got to be careful. >> it seems the easy part. >> we need ambassadors. >> he needs nick burns in china. >> they have not taken that step yet. >> why? >> they increased the rhetoric from the podium. they have not yet. it's a concern that some left have. they're trying to get legislation done. >> we'll get legislation done. >> here is the thing. i found this to be as especially true when we voted down a rule three days before easter break. >> holidays put a pressure on it. >> i had never had staffers to swearing and calling me whatever as you walk through the gauntly. guess what, we got the deal done. >> i think it was some appropriation bills. people don't want to miss thanksgiving. if america's best interests is at stake. we need nick burns in china. >> it's a stage for him to make that call today. >> he's going to do it today? >> i am not saying he will. >> there is a stage to do so if he's willing. we can make that pitch. i don't know if he's going to yet. i will be texting people as soon and see - >> bill clinton understand one thing really well. it was something he always preaches to democrats. it's better to be strong than wrong than right and week. >> that's right. >> this is one thing democrats -- bill clinton, bill clinton, man, he grinds your bones to political dusts while he's doing it, i love you. these other democrats don't know how to do it. >> okay, you will make everyone goes two hours? all right. good. go get the floor because it's going to be two hours and we'll be here the next two weeks. >> i don't get it. >> not just bill clinton but lbj. you have this political power when you have the majority and i guess jonathan, you cover these guys and you talked the them. i don't understand why they just don't do the politics. i mean it's just for me, look, everybody complains about the politics but you see in moments like this why it becomes an essential play if you don't want to move your agenda. use the power you have as a majority to push back what the minority is doing. trust me, those members will buckle at the end of the day, they'll buckle. by the way, mitch would do this. >> absolutely. >> mitch would do this. >> i don't understand why this becomes such a hard thing and to your point about they are laser-focused. can they just do one thing? 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>> the frontier act is something i worked together passed out of the u.s. senate, it's passed out of the u.s. senate with 70 votes. >> you and chuck schumer worked on it, right? >> well, that's right. i don't bring it up all the time. >> oh my god, i would like senator young to come back to our set. >> okay, i will be quiet. >> that's mika telling me to shut up. >> i say it lovingly, chuck. we discovered and we discovered we had a mutual understanding. they are threaten our security and way of life and our economic independence, they are stealing our jobs and dreams. we come up with legislation that invest in cutting edge technology to make sure that ours are always better than the chinese. it will create good 24 centuries tech jobs and places like indiana. >> by the way, we were talking about the mfm fights in '97 and '98. we were talking about that we should extend the most famous trades. they were stealing our intellectual property then. it continues. >> some of this is just a stage. somehow china would improve its behavior but they're not improving their behavior. they recently launched their hypersonic nuclear capables -- >> which we don't have. >> we are vulnerable as aically a country and we need to play offense. we'll soon go to conference which is that process and congress rarely utilized in the modern era. >> this is incredible, you have been in for a decade now. you never been on a conference committee. >> i have never been on a conference committee. >> just for people watching, instead of going through regular order, you had two or three people in the house negotiate and they throw a bill in front of the members and make them vote up or down. it's miserable but this bill is going through regular order which is a good sign. >> the members themselves have more say about that final product that you voted on. not your leadership although we respect our leadership because they help us through our difficult moments. they're wise. >> yeah, they're very wise. >> look, the people actually worked on this legislation, their staff will shape the work product and you know -- it will represent the views and wishes under constituents, too. i think it's a good thing we are going to conference. congress needs to work. the american people want us to get things done. >> the relationship of china is one on the forefront. some of you republican colleagues are holding up their process. where do you stand? >> we need confirm nick burns as the ambassador of china. >> yes. >> we need to make sure that we get rob emanuel confirm to the ambassador spot in japan. i know there is been some resistance on both sides of the isle for the various nominees. >> it's really important. >> it sends an important signal to these other countries that it is relationship is a first order relationship and also sends an important signal to our diplomats that we respect their work and we empower them to do their best work when we have an ambassador in place. >> do you think there is a lot of rhetoric that we slip into a new cold war with china, do you think we are first of all? >> i think we have to. it's unfortunate that we are but we have no choice but to respond in time of china building up their military. and so, we'll have to continue to respond in kind to their activities. they launched a hyper sonic nuclear capable vehicle against the united states. we have to protect ourselves against that. they have done so many other things. they want to dominate the south china sea and the east china sea and dominate all of asia or most of asia. we have to resist that their values system is different than ours. at the same time we'll continue to do business with it. it's an unusual sort of relationship unlike the cold war against the soviet union. >> willie in new york has questions for you. >> good morning senator, there is been some report that the white house is considering a diplomatic boycott of next year's olympic games in beijing. given everything you laid out and we should at in the concentration camp for uighurs, should the united states boycott of the olympics? >> we need to make approve the diplomatic boycott. i think the diplomatic boycott strikes the right balance. i don't think we should have any high officials going and giving sanction to or credibility to these olympics by their presence. in fact, their absence, i think, says a lot especially to the chinese who really value reputation and optics. since in substance they lack in human ideals. >> can you explain to our viewers, a lot of times people want things in black and white, can you explain how in some areas china is our adversary. our areas they're our rival. and in other areas they're our partners. can you explain that because a lot of people, especially on the hill, you'll hear them demagoguing and acting like we can just walk away from china. it's just not a possibility with the world as small as it is. >> they are the most populous nation in the world. they have a rapidly growing economy and rapidly growing middle class, and just as a practical reality we're already doing a lot of business, so much of our wealth is tied in with the chinese communist party and, b, if we don't occupy some of that market share, we have to admit that other asian, european and other nations will. >> middle eastern countries? >> that's right. >> it's like the uae. and other middle eastern countries. it's not like we can give them a take or leave it proposition. >> if you're not doing business with them, joe, you have less leverage over them as well. >> right. >> to pull back. any future business opportunities. it's important that we maintain those ties but very important we work together with partners and allies like our large economy countries -- germany, japan, et cetera, so we can collectively apply pressure against the chinese communist party and bring them over a period of time into a position of better behavior. >> so, senator, i want to follow up on joe's point, because he laid out those three areas of how we see that relationship. how do you think the chinese sees their relationship with us? because, you know, the smart economists out there looking down the road see the largest economy in the world not being here centered here in the u.s. but centered in china. you've addressed the issue of what they're doing with their missile defense and offensive weaponry. how do you think they see their relationship with us? do they see us as a partner at times and an opponent at other times, or do they see us as, okay, we have them on the check and they will be much more beholden to us than we are to them in that relationship? >> i think they think the united states is naive and in many respects they are right, we have been naive in recent years. we've been trusting of the chinese when we cut agreements with them. we have asked them not to steal our intellectual property. sometimes asking isn't enough. so they regard us as naive which is why it's important we pass concrete measures and congress speaks very loudly as it relates to these issues to tighten up our ip controls to forge tighter alliances with other economic partners and given us more leverage against them, to show up at international forums and round up the vote to sanction the chinese or call out the chinese. over the last couple of decades they've used this opportunity of disengagement and distraction to outflank us. they lead us in some of the key technology areas that senator schumer and i planned to advance through our analyst frontier act. artificial intelligence, they may well be ahead of us in the area of artificial intelligence, computing, all have military applications and we need to up our game. >> while we've been fighting wars for 20 years they've been making kiel alliances in africa, the middle east, across the world. i think the most difficult question, trying to sort through what exactly we do on taiwan. what message do we send the chinese if china moves on taiwan? you know you have a majority say, no, we're not going to send our kids to fight and die there. at the same time they're the ally whose name we never mention and if we back down there we back down everywhere. 10 he what do we do? >> i think our position should be that the united states will stand with, fight with and help protect democratic peoples and that is the country of taiwan. i think the best way we can assist them is the procurement of asymmetric sort of weapons and adopt the porcupine strategy. they would be very difficult to digest if the chinese go across the taiwan straits and try and occupy taiwan. we have a significant portion -- most of the high-end computer chips are manufactured by tsmc in taiwan, things that go into the automobile and assembled in indiana, they go into everything that's a sophisticated product that has an on and off switch in the united states. our economy depends on making sure that doesn't happen, that taiwan isn't threatened. we need to strengthen our alliances with other countries who will help us deter chinese aggressions. australia, uk and the u.s. was really important and we need to build that out and strengthen alliances. >> another reason raum emanuel needs to go to japan. >> exactly. >> senator todd young of indiana, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me on. >> it's great to have you here. >> we really appreciate it. and still ahead, our next guest -- >> i think he's going to come back, mika, right? >> i hope so. >> i will. >> joe can be a little much sometimes. he's a lot. >> how is indiana basketball this year? >> he's a lot of good. >> he's a lot, yeah. >> how is indiana basketball this year? >> we're going to win. we're about winning. >> message number one. message number two. all right, senator. >> thank you. >> okay. thanks much. our next guest once said there are two buttons i never like to hit, that's panic and snooze. that was said by ted lasso. and up next we'll be joined by emmy award winning, the actor who plays that role, jason sudeikis, who also joined us on the show right around this time last year from, what, the back seat of a car? >> i'm so excited. jason has bent over backwards to get the best tv studio available. a 1979 van. we're so glad. the new sensodyne repair and protect with deep repair has the science to show that the toothpaste goes deep inside the exposed dentin to help repair sensitive teeth. my patients are able to have that quality of life back. i recommend sensodyne repair and protect with deep repair. ♪ my songs know what you did in the dark ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ small businesses like yours make gift-giving possible. ♪ i'm on fire ♪ now, comcast business has an exclusive gift for you. introducing the gift of savings sale. for a limited time, ask how to get a great deal for your business. and get up to a $500 prepaid card with select bundles when you switch to the network that can deliver gig speeds to the most businesses. or get started with internet and voice for $64.99 per month with a 2-year price guarantee. give your business the gift of savings today. comcast business. powering possibilities. ♪♪ welcome back to "morning joe." a beautiful shot of new york city. it is november 8th. it is thursday. we're almost there, guys. michael steele and jonathan lemire still with us. this weekend is the fifth annual thundergong benefit show. it has a little bit of everything with world-class performances from top comedians and bands. the show supports the steps of faith foundation, a charity that provides prosthetic limbs for amputees who don't have insurance. listen to how host jason sudeikis describes this organization. >> i think a big reason that something like steps of faith is so important is you give people an arm that they lost through some tragedy or a leg that they lost, giving them their confidence back. it's a no-brainer to help an organization at all much less one as beautiful as steps of faith. >> joining us now emmy award winning actor and executive director of steps of faith. it's grit to have you both with us. jason appears, joe -- >> he appears to be in a structure. a structure with a roof. >> jason, we were hoping this year that maybe you would be in a van down by the river or something like that. instead inside. talk about the charity, why you got involved in it. why it means so much to you? >> well, i got involved with it because the fellow nestled below me on television, one of my best friends from back home in kansas city, and billy went through a tough situation, lost his left leg above the leg, and his insurance wouldn't cover the full cost of his prosthetics. we put together a little show with a couple bands back home and some friends to do a little improv comedy. hey, i want to do that for other people on a bigger scale. that's what became this thing known as thundergong which is hilarious to hear you refer to on knell television that covers politics and societal issues and to hear you say thundergong is worth it. >> thundergong, thundergong, thundergong. >> i sound confused when i say it. >> you talk to these people who start these businesses, i'm going to become rich, i never figured out what it was, but people helped you, friends help you with your leg and now you're doing this to help others. can you talk about the people you reach and what you need from our viewers to help reach even more people? >> yeah, sure, running a nonprofit i will only be rich in my heart and not in the bank account. i feel lucky that i'm one of these people, so that's a lot of people. 500 people lose a limb every day and it seems like i'm making that up, that's just in america. a lot of people even have medicaid that doesn't cover prosthetic care. the guy who started the place where i was a patient established a 503c, he tossed me the keys to a car with no engine in it. see what you can do and here we are trying to help 185 amputees across the country this year. >> good morning. it's willie geist. congratulations on a fifth year of thundergong. what i heard from jason and you stopped me in my tracks which is that health insurance didn't cover something like a prosthetic. you lose a part of your leg to cancer, you assume that will be taken care of. and yet you get a call back that says, sorry, we can't help you. how is that possible, and has that changed since you started this work? >> well that is injustice, and that's why -- there's a lot of that in america -- and that's why that's possible, unfortunately. the fact that i even have to have this job -- you know. a lot of insurance policies don't cover prosthetic care at all. we've not changed the legislation just yet, but that's the grand scheme is to create a place where my job doesn't need to exist. in the meantime it does. we're a place for those folks who have nowhere else to go when they've lost a limb and just want to get back to work but they can't pay for it. and we're here to help. >> i do want to make it clear to the folks that run and own insurance companies if they stop dicking people over like that we will still do thundergong. thundergong won't go away. i don't want to put that on their plate. if they want to be nice and generous and help people we'll continue to do the concert, the show. >> we'll even invite them. >> absolutely. >> i love that. if you could talk a little bit about for folks who are like, well, maybe this is kind of specific, this is so specific, could you talk about the experience of friends like jason rallying around you, raising the money and then getting that prosthetic limb, did it bring you back? did it change your life? how was it for you emotionally and physically? >> yeah, it is pretty specific if you consider being able to walk specific, right? think of the milestones when you're a baby. your first words, your first steps. you don't think about it until you can't do it. look, i could have have walked in here on crutches but it would have been harder to do, and i also would have felt different in here and in here. so what we're doing is not just helping a person physically. we're helping people the 360 and their families and, frankly, it's like stimulating the economy. then they can go back to work and take care of themselves and their families. again, if help insurance companies would do what they are supposed to do it would be a different story. in the meantime, again, we're here. that experience for me was incredible. when that fund-raiser happened to me that jason referred to in 2006 where it raised this money for me it was like a this is your life moment. everybody i knew showed up and we raised a ton of money and it was unbelievable. i don't feel handicapped hardly ever because i have access to the right tools with this prosthetic legs. steps of faith is giving access to those tools to the people who can't otherwise get it. >> that's fantastic. we'll circle back and let people know how they can help specifically. i want to talk about you and over the past year. when we talked you were sitting in a parking lot. now a year later you're winning awards left and right. it's beautiful. i do wonder, though, and you've probably been asked this question a million times. when we started telling people to watch ted lasso, because i love football. >> we love it. >> they go, okay, well, i'll get to it and then they come back and they talk about the show in a way they don't talk about any other show. mika and i -- it's hard to get mika to watch anything on tv. we're wiping our eyes so many times. so many scenes. what is it about this show that touches people so deeply and personally, do you think? >> i wish i knew that for sure. if i did i would just do it over and over again. it's been something else. i've tried to think through it to repeat it somewhere down the line. i think it has something to do with the intention alt we make the show and we leave enough space in any of the creation of it for the people watching it to lean in a little bit more and that's just something we talk about like giving the actors little nuggets of their characters' journeys. a decent idea of where it would end when we started. you give the same to the person doing music or selecting props. that allows folks like you at home to see a little bit of themselves in several of the characters. because we are a lot more similar than different despite what the world can tell us over and over again. >> yeah, you know, and you gave the same answer that john lennon gave when he came to america and they asked what the secret to the beatles was. hell, if i knew that we'd become managers and start our own bands to run. one thing i did notice you pick up from great bands, pick up from a tv show, i think people that watch, we all love each other. we all -- we're like family. we've grown up together. and i look at you and i look at hannah, at the other stars, and when you are together you can tell it's a family. they seem so grateful for the opportunity that you've given them and they say it. but that love seems to go a ways for that cast. >> yeah. and it's love, it's respect. it's admiration. i think chemistry is looking at the person next to you and wishing you had the same as they have and hardly is it hard work. who wants to work hard. but sometimes it's just the resiliency, a sense of humor and talent. that photo is a great number of our writers and directors. we had people nominated on both sides of the camera. it's about a team and just like putting together a daily morning show on nightly sketch comedy show it's a lot more fun and easier when you have love and respect and empathy. the same thing applies on a highway and in a classroom and boardroom. >> we love all the characters. they're multifaceted and easy to connect to. what do you love about your character or what don't you like about him? >> i genuinely love his ability to not get rattled by other people's foibles, insecurities, picadillos, however you want to put it. that's something i aspire to and probably there's an old adage in writing, write what you know but be the change you want to see in the world by that fellow ghandi. that's what i love. what i dislike is -- and maybe something i overlap with the desire to be that part is a lack of self-care. i think he sometimes will be more concerned about the best of others than what he needs for his own head, heart and soul. >> it's jonathan lemire. i will spare you my impersonation. one of the things that resonated with this show it was a moment of kindness, a very dark time. it debuted during the height of the pandemic. people sought comfort. talk about the challenges you had for season two filming during that, and give us a sense what the future holds twhshgs can we expect more episodes of ted lasso? >> yeah, i mean, the pandemic, i think, was the -- when we got to the top of the mountain of a number of years of unkindness personally and as far as the way it affected us, we had to edit the whole first -- the second half of the first season in quarantine over zoom like this. and for a person that's never edited a television show, that was a very interesting experience learning on the fly. that's the only way i know how to edit is through a computer. we wrote the second season in quarantine which worked out. it's kind of everyone goes into their own inner personal cave. dealing with things that are going on in their own head, heart and soul. having that separation and you're joking around and going on tangents as much as you are dealing with the task at hand it kind of benefited the story telling. and then as far as the process of making it during the quarantine, it was lovely. again, i think, because of that energy and vibration joe kindly pointed out. but it was covid protocol. the second they yelled cut these men and women tasked with trying to herd cats with actors and crew to put our masks back on. we walked in and people taking off their mask and especially over there in england, london, wow, it's nice to be back in a pub episode. we script a lot of apologies and hugs on the show. the fact people got to hug without daily tests was lovely in a lot of ways. as far as the third season, we're writing the third season. we're all in a room together at warner brothers and doing it the old-fashioned way face-to-face. yeah, i think we start shooting the beginning of next year. it takes about six months to shoot and we start editing while we shoot overlapping. hopefully by the fall. i don't know the exact date. i would anticipate septemberish right in time for school. >> we'll quote you on that. we want to get back to thundergong. i don't think people realize this fully formed series that has touched so many people how it began as a series of promos here at nbc sports and i remember seeing those seven or eight years ago. at what point did it turn from i'm doing this thing to get people to watch premier league to this is going to be something bigger and deeper and richer and maybe he can carry an entire series? >> well, it really was the watching clips from the first commercial, the whole conceit of the first commercial this guy, an american football coach gets hired to coach a premier professional soccer team. i get hired and fired in three days. they asked to us make a second one but said we don't have the budget to take you back to london. okay, all right. i don't mind those constraints. and how fun would it be if he got hired and fired in three days and got screwed over like that or however you want to put it that he loved it. he loved the time. he fell in love with the sport, with the country and that enthusiasm really got the brain cooking and, wow, that optimism is really fun. a lot of cynicism and sarcasm and snark. it was rooted in that, leading with their ego and a form of man arrogant and ignorant. a man who is arrogant and curious. it all just trickled down from there. >> you talk about curious. it's so funny you say the word curious and i think of the hug in the locker room, beware of darkness is going on. the music is just absolutely extraordinary. >> i write every song. >> i love how george harrison was foreshadowed when jamie said that he decided he was going to quit. he had to re-assess his life. that was in, like, 2000. you laugh at that but one of the highlights of the entire season was the hug. great music. >> thank you. >> bravo. hey, so i want to go back to billy and, by the way, brimblecom, that is a name that is every bit as fascinating as thundergong. i'm glad they rhyme. somebody needs to write a song about it. i don't want to ask what it means because a lot of kids watch the show with their parents. i know a lot of people are going to want to help here. what do they do? where do they go? >> thundergong.org, you can find out about the event, rsvp, the event is free but there are lots of ways to donate including just hitting the donate button and steps of faith foundation.org to learn more about what we do and we post about patients and those kinds of things, we're posting a lot about the event. thundergong.org. it's pg. a made-up word. like percussive party is what that means. >> okay, now i get it. that helped a lot. >> are you back on drums? are you going to be playing some drums? >> oh, yeah. lots of drums. the first year we had three drum sets. we've scaled it down to just one. i try to play like the strength of three drummers. >> wonderful. >> jason sudeikis and billy brimblecom, the thundergong concert for the steps of faith foundation will be streamed live this saturday, november 20th. go to thundergong.org to learn more. >> thank you, guys, so much for being here and good luck. >> yeah, we really appreciate it. >> thank you for having us. thanks for giving us the time. >> oh, we appreciate it. and still ahead on "morning joe," liz chainy says donald trump broke ted cruz. the texas senator defends the former president at all costs including, apparently, the cost to democracy. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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>> he does press conferences well. i like the one where he was eating fries. that was fun. >> that mayor, the mayor of new york city, bill de blasio, he joins us now. we loved the announcement. >> good performance art. we're here for a different reason. >> what is that? >> you have an announcement to make. >> yes, joe, i have something to say i think you will appreciate in particular because you are passionate about education and changing the lives of our children, our families. what i put out today is an entirely different vision of how we educate kids and support our families. it's as simple as this. school for our kids all day all year all for free. imagine this that we can provide in this state education for kids that goes to the end of the afternoon, that goes all year round for kids and families that want it, that is free-for-all. talk about addressing all of the challenges and disparities in our society. here is an opportunity to do something fundamentally different. a first in the nation approach in this state. the state right now ranks 19th in education in america. it should rank first. go to bill de blasio.com to see this plan. this is how we change things for working families all over this state. >> so are you running for governor of new york? >> i'm going to be in public service, you know that. i'm talking about a vision, a vision of change. i will be focused on getting this done because what i really think matters is how do we change the lives of the family in the state. schools aren't working for a lot of people. the school day, the school year doesn't fit the reality of families and, therefore, middle class people, working people, how do you have a school day that ends at 2:30 or 3:00 when parents don't get out of work until 5:00, a school year that ends in june when, in fact, kids need options all summer long including culture and arts and recreation, things that should be part of their lives that are guaranteed for all parents. that's what we're presenting. >> all right. so you're presenting a position, a plan, a policy agenda for the state of new york. you can't implement that unless you are elected governor of new york. when do you make the announcement about that campaign? >> joe, in the weeks ahead i'll have more to say about that. i think it's really important if we talk about change, about reaching people, start with vision. start with vision. and this is, i think you might agree having watched so much of the discourse in this country, a lot of times the last thing you hear is a vision that will reach everyday people's lives. i'm trying to talk about what i've heard from people everywhere i go. parents are feeling the stresses especially because of the pandemic. they need better options. this should be a universal right. we did it in new york city. we created pre-k, 3-k for any child, this should be a model for the whole state and ultimately the whole nation. again, new york state's lagging behind. we need to do this first in the nation, prove it can happen here in new york state. >> are you going to go around campaigning for this education plan? are you getting on the road anytime soon to go across the state of new york and have a, well, as they it a listening to talking and listening tour? >> this is something i'm going fight for. this is a passion of mine. you know, joe, when we created prek for all in new york city -- >> i get it. are you going to get out and campaign? >> absolutely. >> this is like pulling teeth, mr. mayor. come on. >> no, it's not. >> i understand, it is a bold education plan. now i want to know, i called the governor last week. i want to know when people can talk to you and ask you questions as you go around with this plan. about what you would do as governor. i'm going out to promote this plan. i believe in it because we proved it here. there is lots of time to talk about political future. i'm going to stay in political service no matter what. one more point about this, we have a moment in history of where we have this pandemic. it was horrible. pawnful for us. but folks who do very well historically, billionaires in particular, but they did much p better during the pandemic. 87 billion more in wealth they accumulated during the pandemic. i think asking folks like that to do a little bit more so that we can provide education for all our kids, all our families and a whole new way. that's what i'm promoting all over the state. >> and so, willie, i'm going to give it to you. so you're going to get him to tell us that he's running for governor. and if that doesn't work, we're going to go to michael and then we'll go to mika. the so it's your turn. go, willie. >> you don't think mayors with six weeks left in the term always introduce broad sweeping new education plans? totally normal. >> you're a keen observer of history. let me ask you about what is going on in new york city. new year's eve is back in times square. everybody has to be vaccinated. you have to have proof of vaccination. stand in times square. that is a nice tradition returning. what are the numbers in new york? what are the trends you're seeing? and just anecdotally, we were talking about being out on the streets, it feels like precovid times. >> yeah. it's amazing, willie. new york city is back. 87% of people had the vaccine. every mayor, every governor, every ceo in america, do a vaccine mandate. it works. come back to times square. beautiful celebration. you have to be vaccinated. people respond to that. you know with the restaurants, you've seen it. everyone said we're going have a vaccination mandate. when i put it out there, folks said oh, people are not going to go to the restaurants. they're full with happy people who know they're safe because everyone there is vaccinated. >> yeah. and for all the talk about the violation of freedom and how onerous it was, i said this the other dashgs you walk in flaern your card for three seconds. they check you out. check your id and you go sit down. it is peace of mind. let me ask you a little bit about the incoming mayor. he said publicly over the last couple weeks he's going to put back on the street a plain clothes officers. no the anti-crime unit you took off the streets. it is necessary to stem the crime. do you that i is a good idea to bring the plain clothes units back on the streets? >> i have respect for him. i respect his history, knowledge. we thought the plain clothes units were cause something challenges with communities. our police commissioner said it is better to put them in uniform. guess what happened? gun arrests went up. the highest level of gun arrests in a quarter century. extraordinary work by the nypd. i think he is right. i respect mayor-elect adams. he's going to make the choices he thinks makes sense. he is a reformer. i want to emphasize this. you have to understand. his long impressive history of police reform. i know he'll carry that out. >> michael -- i'm sorry, willie. i was going to tell michael, the way he's talking positively about the incoming new york city mayor just think the governor, michael and the mayor would have such a good relationship if they work together, unlike cuomo and diblasio. >> it's a contract. >> it's amazing contrasting dynamic. mr. mayor. look, i can appreciate that decision process. i identify and appreciate that. let me ask you though more broadly. joe touches on something that is important. you have a vision for education and other things for the state. how do you see your service translating statewide in a state that is -- that's still changing and growing in a lot of ways. a little bit more conservative in parts that you know well. how do you see that as a former mayor of new york city? >> i think people around the state looking for profound change, the status quo in new york state is not working. so this is directly answering your point. i think what folks want to see is some evidence a leader can take them some place different. talking about this issue of education. it's my passion. it has been for a long time. i want to generalize it and say this. middle class families working class families all over new york state, upstate, down state, rural areas, suburbs, cities, the common link is folks are struggling. it is hard to make ends meet. it's hard to make life work. the stresses of life even before the pandemic. incredibly challenging. this is a great example to help people have a better life. i don't think new york state is enough of that now. i think that you unites folks. the there is a real anger at the status quo. what they want to see is not just words. they want to see a vision of change. people believe those who have done very well should pay a little bit more to help everyone else have a decent life. >> yeah. so, willie, what do you think? he is running? >> joe, i want your litmus test here. constantly testing. >> he did everything but say it out loud. it's all if fine print. >> that is the point of the question. >> bold fine print. >> i heard it. all right. mayor bill diblasio. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you, mr. mayor. >> thank you, guys. >> and -- >> great education plan. >> that does it for us. >> it really was. a great education plan for the state of new york. >> that does it for us this morning. stephanie picks up the coverage after a final quick break. e pic after a final quick break. ow bi♪ no annual fee on any discover card. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. my nunormal? fewer asthma attacks with nucala. a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. nucala reduces eosinophils, a key cause of severe asthma. nucala is not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your doctor about nucala. find your nunormal with nucala. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. ask your doctor about nucala. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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