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safety? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i had heard that he was in good shape. no. because i had heard he was in very good shape. but, but, no, i think -- >> you heard the chants, that was terrible. >> he could have, well, the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang mike pence. >> it's common sense, jon. it's common sense that you're supposed to protect. how can you, if you know the vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> the fallout from that kind of toxic attitude from the top is being seen right now on capitol hill from the republicans most loyal to the president threatening their fellow party members over an infrastructure bill. in one case, sending out a shocking meme aimed at democratic congresswoman aoc, a threat met with silence from republican leadership in the house. plus, soaring prices on store shelves. the inflation reality that threatens president biden's economic agenda. millions more americans leaving the job market as the great resignation continues. coming up, i'm going to talk to mr. wonderful, the shark tank kevin o'leary who has reassuring words on both of those fronts. let's hope it's wonderful news. that's coming up. that's a terrible joke, by the way. we'll begin with steve bannon. msnbc daily and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. welcome to my panel, guys. great to see you this afternoon. bannon expected to turn himself in on monday. what more can you tell us about the charges that he is facing? >> he refused to comply with the subpoena issued by congress to turn over documents and also to speak with them. so this is actually an unprecedented move that we're seeing in terms of the indictment. he invoked executive privilege or his lawyer did saying president trump was telling his close associates around him not to comply with these requests and so this is actually never happened before where somebody exerted executive privilege in this way refusing to turn over documents. it's interesting because he left the white house back in 2017, long before the events of january 6th played out last year. so this is an interesting time and monday will be an interesting day to see what happens when he's expected to turn himself in. >> so at this point, what i'm hearing from you is there's really nobody else or no other situation that really, we can compare this to to predict what could feasibly take place. >> that's right. now, if he is convicted and it would have to go to a trial if he doesn't plead guilty, he could face up to a year in jail and a fine. it's interesting to me because after he left the white house, he sort of went away, went to europe, was traveling across from country to country, the right and trying to get the right base in various countries to stand up against immigration of refugees and that was his thing and then he came back and started this radio show. so this is all about comments that he made the day before january 6th talking about something's going to go down and congress wanted to know, what did he know, and he's not complying. >> gwen, mark meadows didn't show up. he's seen what's taken place when it comes to steve bannon. is this going to compel folks like mark meadows, for instance, and/or jeffrey clark to testify to provide the information they've been asked for? >> only if they want to stay out of jail. you know, this is why we call it atmospheric precedent. it's not a legal precedent. you can't say, well, this person has been indicted so another person similarly situated will also be indicted. but it's an atmospheric precedent. think about this, yasmin. on the very day a federal grand jury in washington, dc indicted steve bannon for two counts of contempt of congress. one for violating a subpoena for documents and a second for violating a subpoena for testimony on the very same day he's indicted, mark meadows commits the identical crime. he fails to appear for testimony. that crime is complete. i have to tell you, his lawyers might be urging him to try to call and make amends with the house select committee for failing to appear, but you can't undo that crime once it's been committed. now, that doesn't necessarily mean he will be voted in contempt, referred for prosecution and indicted but given this atmospheric precedent, that's what should happen next to mark meadows. >> i was speaking to david henderson in the last hour, gwen, and i asked him point-blank, do you think steven bannon will end up behind bars? and he said likely no. how do you see this thing playing out? how does bannon get out of this is this. >> so i'm going to say likely, yes, though neither one of us can predict with any certainty but here's the thing. when you look at the sentencing scheme for contempt of congress charges, it carries a punishment of no less than one month and not more than one year and if he goes to trial and is convicted, he'll be convicted of two charges. so that will expose him to no less than two months, and no more than two years. so if he is convicted, unless he strikes a plea agreement with the prosecutors and that will probably happen, at least the plea negotiations will happen once he's presented in court on monday. he could say, listen, you got me. i agree to testify. if you will agree to a reduced sentence for me. i think it's unlikely. steve bannon likes the idea of being a martyr and protecting donald trump but i'm going to go with he likely will end up doing some time in prison. >> you write about kind of these bigger fish that have been subpoenaed. folks like kayleigh mcenany but versus folks like stephen miller and kayleigh mcenany. >> i think that's what we saw from this last round of subpoenas from the january 6th committee. it was interesting because like you said, stephen miller, kayleigh mcenany, they are the ones people know. people are gravitating towards, like, they're the party inner circle. they know a lot. but what's interesting about these subpoenas is they also went for the subordinates of the big fish and molly michael, an aid to trump and ben williamson, the chief of staff for mark meadows and these are the kind of people who will find it harder to raise the kind of funds that we saw from some of the bigger names who have been fundraising for legal funds, to bite back against these cases and fight back against congress, et cetera. they'll find it harder to raise funds but less likely to want to go to jail for donald trump or become a martyr like stephen bannon, and i feel like they know as much about the situation behind the scenes as their bosses do. that's what's part of a lot of these people's jobs. add digital paper trail around january 6th. about what trump wanted other people to be reading, what was on mark meadows' agenda and handling emails. these are documents they have access to that their bosses would have. they would have known a lot of information they could provide. i think it will be more whether they comply than watching for, oh, will stephen miller turn up and testify? >> is it normal to go for big fish first? >> no, ordinarily, the way we investigate gang cases or cases with multiple perpetrators, we're going to go for the lower fish first. we're going to try to flip them against the bigger fish and we're going to work our way up the criminal organization, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. and if you can't sort of protect and promote the sanctity of the criminal justice system and of the subpoena power, that, yasmin, is foundational. if you don't go after people who thumb their noses at congressional subpoenas, then you really can't go about doing the hard work of investigating what happened on january 6th. >> does the committee, glen, need to subpoena the former president, especially after what we heard from the jonathan carlo interview? >> i may be an outier but i would say it's futile to subpoena the president. bob muller ended up, i believe, trying to subpoena the president but the muller report said, listen, if you subpoena him, he's got to fit up against incrimination which you cannot overcome unless you grant him immunity and that wasn't going to happen. i think the same is true here. donald trump is the big fish. donald trump is the one who appears to have incited the insurrection. he absolutely has a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination and that trumps, sorry, the subpoena power. all you have to do is invoke the fifth and the subpoena goes away. i think it would be a fruitless exercise. >> is there an appetite to subpoena trump? any talk of this? >> that's a great question. my reporting doesn't indicate that, but i'm sure yasmin, we can talk to some colleagues and figure that out. i think there's a political will. the fact they are going after bannon for refusing to comply. they want to have symbolic impact here with that. so i think subpoenaing former president trump would be symbolic and there's video of him day of, there certainly are questions to ask him. he was there up on a pulpit making a speech in the hours before this mob that you were right there in the heart of, stormed the capitol. there's certainly very good questions to ask. >> anna schechter, hays brown, i'll see you later on in the show so thanks for sticking with us. for more on this, i want to bring in representative debbie dingell, democrat of michigan. representative dingell, thank you for joining us on this. give me your reaction to the indictment of steve bannon. >> well, you know, i wish he had just willingly come and testified and participated. i am someone who believes that congress has a very serious responsibility for oversight. we have a responsibility to what happened on january 6th. not just thumb your nose of responsibility for the authority that congress has. so the indictment, there are consequences. >> do you think his indictment will compel bannon to testify? that the committee will get the information that they want and need? >>. >> i think i agree with some of the panelists a couple of minutes ago, this is a guy that likes to thumb his nose at everybody but as a matter of fact, a lot of us in the world we live in, don't like to thumb our nose at people but doesn't mean you don't have to respect the rule of law that we have in this country. he knows what the consequences are. he'll be held accountable as a rule of law. >> representative dingell, let's talk reconciliation here for a moment and with that, i want you to look at this headline. obviously, there are inflation worries at this point. we know, senator joe manchin has talked a lot about inflation over the last couple of weeks wanting to get the congressional budget office report worried about the economy right now. one of the reasons he cites for not being necessarily fully on board when it comes to reconciliation, are you worried this is going to slow down reconciliation negotiations or the passage of the soft infrastructure bill? >> i think it's critical that we do believe in the house of representatives, we'll pass build back better next week. we've heard from economists and expert to admire on the show telling people that, first of all, experts, even larry summers, the build back better, and more people in the work to create more jobs. i hope in the next few months. >> let's expand on that a little bit, because if you go in the grocery store, you see the prices going up. you see what the price of meat is right now and it's troubling to a lot of especially lower income americans that are worried about being able to put food on the table right now. what do you say to those americans who think, hmm, are democrats not taking this seriously enough with the passage of these massive bills and with inflation the way that it is? where it is right now? >> first of all, i take inflation very seriously and i know my other colleagues do and it's not just, you know, i'm going back, when i got elected to congress, i used to post the cost of coke, eggs, meat. the cost of gasoline going up but it started going up when covid hit this country. reminded people of what it was like a year ago at thanksgiving. able to spend time with the family and friends. 3 or 4 million women had to leave the workforce because there isn't any child care. and by the way, a lot of other things that contribute to this inflation. so getting the build back won't be the normal to take to do anything. it's going to contribute to making things better but take a lot of work and effort. i hope to go down in minutes or months. >> representative debbie dingell, great to see you on this saturday afternoon. thank you so much. my next guest shark tank kevin o'leary with us after the break on why he's optimistic about the economy even as many americans are cutting back their shopping lists. and later on, conservatives push to ban and even burn some school library books. why this may cause long-term issues with children's development. don't go anywhere. ith children's development. don't go anywhere. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills aren't on my mind. i love being able to pick up and go. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions post-injection reactions, liver problems,...and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver problems or mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection site reactions, fever, and tiredness. if you switch to cabenuva, attend all treatment appointments. with once-a-month cabenuva, i'm good to go. ask your doctor about once-monthly cabenuva. now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. we see you. so we designed our new no7 pure retinol range for your skin. informed by 15 years of scientific research; and formulated to be gentler to skin. powerfully targeting the appearance of dark spots, wrinkles, and boosting radiance. only from no7. breaking news from the nfl. the green bay packers just moments ago activating quarterback aaron rodgers off the covid reserve list and he is expected to start against the seattle seahawks. of course, he had missed last week's game against kansas city after testing positive for covid and revealing he had not been vaccinated against the virus. also new numbers from the bureau of labor statistics that point to a continued shift in the american a labor force. 4.4 million americans quit their jobs in september alone. that's the population of kentucky and part of new zealand. what's called the great resignation and the u.s. has never seen anything quite like this with prices and basic necessities going up, that leaves some big questions about where the economy is headed as inflation surges. joining us to give his unique perspective, venture capitalist straight from the "shark tank," kevin o'leary, with quite a background. we appreciate the beach in the distance with all this grim economic news, but you say it's not so grim. so talk to me, kevin, about inflation right now. it wasn't good news for the economy this week when you took a look at inflation, higher than expected. how long is this going to last? >> well, this was, since we last talked, some concerning data. when i talked, it was about supply side that cost from bicycles to gym equipment, started sourcing parts of materials domestically, about 30% at the highest cost and rose their prices 7%, 9%, 10%. that's considered temporary. when we get the supply side working again from other countries and our ports are open again, those subside but what we saw this week is real inflation. and it shows up in the price of eggs and bacon and bread, in the essentials people buy and services they use and this is a result, and i'm not sure everybody is that surprised, i'm poring over $3 trillion in the economy in just 24 months and this is going to have some very challenging issues to face policy makers now because if you're contemplating another stimulus package on top of this one with inflation numbers like this, i think that costs you something politically. people are getting really nervous. when you go out to buy eggs and they cost you 20% more than they did just 18 months ago, that's not good if you're a politician. >> so you're saying this is a result of the american rescue plan. it's not just a result of the supply chain issue and the pandemic in general. this is a result of the legislation that folks in dc have put in place. the money surge that has happened in our economy over the last two years. >> yeah, if you look at every hard asset, i don't care if it's a car, watch, wine, pens, collectibles, nfts, cryptocurrencies. they're exploding in an inflationary price rise because currency, the dollar, we've printed over $3 trillion. that's never, ever, ever been done in any economy anywhere ever on the planet earth, and we shouldn't be surprised it shows up in inflating all of these asset classes. unfortunately, it's also inflating the price of gasoline and food necessities. so i think what's going to happen, and this is a prediction i wouldn't have said ten days ago, build back better, i don't think so. i don't think you can pour another $3 trillion into this economy without exploding inflation in a major way. >> you think that's not legislation to be passed despite the fact democrats tout how much it's going to help working class families when it comes to women wanting to get back to work and you have the child tax credit, you have child care as well. i mean, paid family leave, four weeks of paid family leave. you think they've got to look at the big picture. >> unfortunately, too much for too long has really started. because here's the thing about inflation. when it hits, it really hits. and i think what we saw this week, in 30 years, we haven't had inflation numbers like this, it's really concerning. so i would guess at this point within the democratic party and all politicians, regardless of what side of the aisle you're on, look at the break on this money printing otherwise, late '70s, '80s hyperinflation with 16%, 17%, 18%. this is a big problem for people who own homes and mortgages. you don't want that to happen but it's going to evaporate quickly. i don't want to be partisan, but that bill is dead. that bill is dead. >> wow. that's big, kevin o'leary, considering how much democrats are depending on getting the passage of that. talk to me about the great resignation. >> i think you'll find within the democratic party multiple voices are going to look at this data, wait for more reports, the next cycle of inflation reporting and i think it will be scary what happens. there's too much liquidity in the market and that's the basis of over $3.5 trillion of cash for 24 months. >> but kevin, don't americans have more money in their pockets right now? more money in their bank accounts? aren't we saving more than ever before, because of things like the american rescue plan? so aren't they in some ways, a better financial position before this pandemic because of some of this aid? >> they are. and as a result, the economy is on fire and we have hyperinflation in all kinds of asset classes. pretty well anything a hard asset found geometrically but it didn't affect basic necessities until the last couple of months. there's nothing to destroy political agendas and policies like inflation does because everybody feels it every day, every moment. when you're putting that gas in your car to say, wait a second, this is costing me 22% more than it did just three weeks ago. that's when you really have a hard time proposing more stimulus. this economy is getting overstimulated. it doesn't need more stimulus. don't shoot the messenger. i'm sure it will be debated on both sides of the aisles but i'm going to guess this passage of this bill, i don't think so. >> yeah, well, we'll be watching this over the coming weeks to see what happens with it. kevin o'leary, thank you. great to see you this afternoon. violence is never the answer, except 30% of republicans according to a new study that say violence may be necessary to solve our country's issues. the toxic culture and dangerous threats plaguing washington. where does it go from here? 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this will end up, no question, almost no question there will be an attempt at some sort of political assassination on members. i mean, we don't even know if things have been toiled but this is where we are heading. look at michigan. they are four people because they wanted to kidnap and kill the governor of michigan two years ago. this is so frightening and i really hope doj is clamping down because, again, i think this is moving way past donald trump which is even scarier. >> so let's try and dial it down. let's try to figure out a solution to dialing it down with the three of us here. adrienne, and with that, i want to read for you a piece from the "new york times" talking about, kind of this increase in violence we've been seeing from inside the republican party. from congressional offices to community meeting rooms, threats of violence are becoming common place among a significant segment of the republican party. ten months after rioters attacked the united states capitol on january 6th, and after four years of a president who often spoke in violent terms about his adversaadversaries, right-wing republicans talk more openly and frequently about use of force as justifiable in opposition to those who dislodged him from power. aside from censuring like gosser of him in the cartoon killing alexandria ocasio-cortez, what needs to be done to tamp down on this aggressive engagement having in washington right now? >> well, i think, you know, look, censoring is one thing. that's a slap on the wrist. i mean, i think these members need to be removed from their committees, and i think there should be a consideration of criminal charges, depending on what the violation is. with twitter and with social media becoming more and more prevalent, members of congress use those tools sometimes effectively, but of course, as you just mentioned what congressman gosar did in a very dangerous derogatory manner, it is simply unfathomable, yasmin, that a member of congress could tweet a video like that threatening to kill someone that he essentially, and he gets a slap on the wrist. it's absolutely insane. i remember back in the day when republicans and democrats sit down together, they would have dinner. they would come up with bipartisan solutions to problems. that is still happening but we're not seeing enough of that. instead, we're seeing, especially among the republican party, this going in the opposite direction to become more and more dangerous and toxic in congress. >> susan, can you explain to me death threats over the voting on a bipartisan infrastructure bill? what is that about? >> well, there were some members of the republican party that in the house who called the 13 republicans that voted for infrastructure traitors. and then published their phone numbers. and said call them and used, i wouldn't say violent rhetoric but certainly disturbing rhetoric, a traitor to the country, to the party. what does that even mean? i looked at someone like nicole from staten island. her district needs infrastructure like nobody else. staten island and brooklyn, new york, and yet, when her name was invoked at a local republican meeting, she got booed. i just, there is no explaining how this is tolerated, but i think what we have to see is not just the members of congress who wear it as a badge of honor, unfortunately, but at the local level, calling out these people these horrible things at school board meetings and in the state legislature, and letting, going to their families. like really going after them and call them out on it and see if there is any room for discussion. >> susan, adrienne, thank you both, ladies. appreciate it. after the break, everybody, an outrageous courtroom moment is my head scratcher of the week. we'll be right back. my head sc week we'll be right back. 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>> first of all, i will make something clear. that are muddled up. these are not books taught in classes. these are books available to students to check out in school libraries that's drawing all of this fuss right now. which is wild to me. no one is forcing anyone to read these books. these books are available for students to read and more power to them. and the fact that parents are actively looking for things to criticize in a lot of these cases is what is so fascinating and terrible about all this to me. i mean these books by and large have teams that focus on lgtq or race and that is making people uncomfortable right now to the point they are going to their school books and saying these books should be taken out of schools entirely or as they say in spotsylvania county to members of the school board, actively burned. none of the parents read these books or if they had did as in the case of orlando, florida, one parent went and told her children to check out a minimum wire gender clear, to take it to the school board to say this needs to be banned. they are doing this because of this morele panic and hysteria. they are pushing back on the idea kids should have access on books on race and feature queer characters and themes, to protect them when a lot of times these kids need that him they have kids that need someone and the language of what they are going through, what are they feeling. a lot of these books are written for young adults. >> these efforts are coming from mostly conservatives and republicans mostly. it is coupled with the controversy over teachings of critical race theory which aren't even taught in schools why do you think this has become such a focus in education right now? >> so hoarse the thing. i don't think it is a focus in education. i think it's become folded into the idea of education that is in a way that is really connecting with a lot of people because let's be real, being a parent is scary. sending your kids off to school all day, where they're out of your control, where you have no real impact on what they're being taught during those hours, it must be scary to a lot of people. but this reactionary push to then say no student should have access to make them feel uncomfortable in their own skins in their own lives is a reaction i can't really connect with. these parents are saying, no, my child should not be exposed to this. should not have to deal with, you know, the idea that white people did back things in the past. but these are for the most part high school students who are able to handle these issues, to think critically about these issues and the parents are doing them a disservice. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> we'll be right back everybody with breaking news out of glasgow where the climate summit just wrapped up. stay with us. coming up tonight on ayman, kal penn and his new memoir. you can't be serious. we will talk about what his life has been like after he announced he has engaged his partner. we will tune in here on msnbc for ayman. n msnbc for ayman. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ we're getting destroyed out there. we need a plan! right now, at t-mobile, customers on magenta max can get the new iphone 13 pro... and t-mobile will pay for it! upgrade to the iphone 13 pro... on us. tums vs. mozzarella stick when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. we see you. so we designed our new no7 pure retinol range for your skin. informed by 15 years of scientific research; and formulated to be gentler to skin. powerfully targeting the appearance of dark spots, wrinkles, and boosting radiance. only from no7. it only takes a second for an everyday item to become dangerous. tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. tide pods child-guard packaging. kevin! kevin? 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safety? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i had heard that he was in good shape. no. because i had heard he was in very good shape. but, but, no, i think -- >> you heard the chants, that was terrible. >> he could have, well, the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang mike pence. >> it's common sense, jon. it's common sense that you're supposed to protect. how can you, if you know the vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> the fallout from that kind of toxic attitude from the top is being seen right now on capitol hill from the republicans most loyal to the president threatening their fellow party members over an infrastructure bill. in one case, sending out a shocking meme aimed at democratic congresswoman aoc, a threat met with silence from republican leadership in the house. plus, soaring prices on store shelves. the inflation reality that threatens president biden's economic agenda. millions more americans leaving the job market as the great resignation continues. coming up, i'm going to talk to mr. wonderful, the shark tank kevin o'leary who has reassuring words on both of those fronts. let's hope it's wonderful news. that's coming up. that's a terrible joke, by the way. we'll begin with steve bannon. msnbc daily and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. welcome to my panel, guys. great to see you this afternoon. bannon expected to turn himself in on monday. what more can you tell us about the charges that he is facing? >> he refused to comply with the subpoena issued by congress to turn over documents and also to speak with them. so this is actually an unprecedented move that we're seeing in terms of the indictment. he invoked executive privilege or his lawyer did saying president trump was telling his close associates around him not to comply with these requests and so this is actually never happened before where somebody exerted executive privilege in this way refusing to turn over documents. it's interesting because he left the white house back in 2017, long before the events of january 6th played out last year. so this is an interesting time and monday will be an interesting day to see what happens when he's expected to turn himself in. >> so at this point, what i'm hearing from you is there's really nobody else or no other situation that really, we can compare this to to predict what could feasibly take place. >> that's right. now, if he is convicted and it would have to go to a trial if he doesn't plead guilty, he could face up to a year in jail and a fine. it's interesting to me because after he left the white house, he sort of went away, went to europe, was traveling across from country to country, the right and trying to get the right base in various countries to stand up against immigration of refugees and that was his thing and then he came back and started this radio show. so this is all about comments that he made the day before january 6th talking about something's going to go down and congress wanted to know, what did he know, and he's not complying. >> gwen, mark meadows didn't show up. he's seen what's taken place when it comes to steve bannon. is this going to compel folks like mark meadows, for instance, and/or jeffrey clark to testify to provide the information they've been asked for? >> only if they want to stay out of jail. you know, this is why we call it atmospheric precedent. it's not a legal precedent. you can't say, well, this person has been indicted so another person similarly situated will also be indicted. but it's an atmospheric precedent. think about this, yasmin. on the very day a federal grand jury in washington, dc indicted steve bannon for two counts of contempt of congress. one for violating a subpoena for documents and a second for violating a subpoena for testimony on the very same day he's indicted, mark meadows commits the identical crime. he fails to appear for testimony. that crime is complete. i have to tell you, his lawyers might be urging him to try to call and make amends with the house select committee for failing to appear, but you can't undo that crime once it's been committed. now, that doesn't necessarily mean he will be voted in contempt, referred for prosecution and indicted but given this atmospheric precedent, that's what should happen next to mark meadows. >> i was speaking to david henderson in the last hour, gwen, and i asked him point-blank, do you think steven bannon will end up behind bars? and he said likely no. how do you see this thing playing out? how does bannon get out of this is this. >> so i'm going to say likely, yes, though neither one of us can predict with any certainty but here's the thing. when you look at the sentencing scheme for contempt of congress charges, it carries a punishment of no less than one month and not more than one year and if he goes to trial and is convicted, he'll be convicted of two charges. so that will expose him to no less than two months, and no more than two years. so if he is convicted, unless he strikes a plea agreement with the prosecutors and that will probably happen, at least the plea negotiations will happen once he's presented in court on monday. he could say, listen, you got me. i agree to testify. if you will agree to a reduced sentence for me. i think it's unlikely. steve bannon likes the idea of being a martyr and protecting donald trump but i'm going to go with he likely will end up doing some time in prison. >> you write about kind of these bigger fish that have been subpoenaed. folks like kayleigh mcenany but versus folks like stephen miller and kayleigh mcenany. >> i think that's what we saw from this last round of subpoenas from the january 6th committee. it was interesting because like you said, stephen miller, kayleigh mcenany, they are the ones people know. people are gravitating towards, like, they're the party inner circle. they know a lot. but what's interesting about these subpoenas is they also went for the subordinates of the big fish and molly michael, an aid to trump and ben williamson, the chief of staff for mark meadows and these are the kind of people who will find it harder to raise the kind of funds that we saw from some of the bigger names who have been fundraising for legal funds, to bite back against these cases and fight back against congress, et cetera. they'll find it harder to raise funds but less likely to want to go to jail for donald trump or become a martyr like stephen bannon, and i feel like they know as much about the situation behind the scenes as their bosses do. that's what's part of a lot of these people's jobs. add digital paper trail around january 6th. about what trump wanted other people to be reading, what was on mark meadows' agenda and handling emails. these are documents they have access to that their bosses would have. they would have known a lot of information they could provide. i think it will be more whether they comply than watching for, oh, will stephen miller turn up and testify? >> is it normal to go for big fish first? >> no, ordinarily, the way we investigate gang cases or cases with multiple perpetrators, we're going to go for the lower fish first. we're going to try to flip them against the bigger fish and we're going to work our way up the criminal organization, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. and if you can't sort of protect and promote the sanctity of the criminal justice system and of the subpoena power, that, yasmin, is foundational. if you don't go after people who thumb their noses at congressional subpoenas, then you really can't go about doing the hard work of investigating what happened on january 6th. >> does the committee, glen, need to subpoena the former president, especially after what we heard from the jonathan carlo interview? >> i may be an outier but i would say it's futile to subpoena the president. bob muller ended up, i believe, trying to subpoena the president but the muller report said, listen, if you subpoena him, he's got to fit up against incrimination which you cannot overcome unless you grant him immunity and that wasn't going to happen. i think the same is true here. donald trump is the big fish. donald trump is the one who appears to have incited the insurrection. he absolutely has a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination and that trumps, sorry, the subpoena power. all you have to do is invoke the fifth and the subpoena goes away. i think it would be a fruitless exercise. >> is there an appetite to subpoena trump? any talk of this? >> that's a great question. my reporting doesn't indicate that, but i'm sure yasmin, we can talk to some colleagues and figure that out. i think there's a political will. the fact they are going after bannon for refusing to comply. they want to have symbolic impact here with that. so i think subpoenaing former president trump would be symbolic and there's video of him day of, there certainly are questions to ask him. he was there up on a pulpit making a speech in the hours before this mob that you were right there in the heart of, stormed the capitol. there's certainly very good questions to ask. >> anna schechter, hays brown, i'll see you later on in the show so thanks for sticking with us. for more on this, i want to bring in representative debbie dingell, democrat of michigan. representative dingell, thank you for joining us on this. give me your reaction to the indictment of steve bannon. >> well, you know, i wish he had just willingly come and testified and participated. i am someone who believes that congress has a very serious responsibility for oversight. we have a responsibility to what happened on january 6th. not just thumb your nose of responsibility for the authority that congress has. so the indictment, there are consequences. >> do you think his indictment will compel bannon to testify? that the committee will get the information that they want and need? >>. >> i think i agree with some of the panelists a couple of minutes ago, this is a guy that likes to thumb his nose at everybody but as a matter of fact, a lot of us in the world we live in, don't like to thumb our nose at people but doesn't mean you don't have to respect the rule of law that we have in this country. he knows what the consequences are. he'll be held accountable as a rule of law. >> representative dingell, let's talk reconciliation here for a moment and with that, i want you to look at this headline. obviously, there are inflation worries at this point. we know, senator joe manchin has talked a lot about inflation over the last couple of weeks wanting to get the congressional budget office report worried about the economy right now. one of the reasons he cites for not being necessarily fully on board when it comes to reconciliation, are you worried this is going to slow down reconciliation negotiations or the passage of the soft infrastructure bill? >> i think it's critical that we do believe in the house of representatives, we'll pass build back better next week. we've heard from economists and expert to admire on the show telling people that, first of all, experts, even larry summers, the build back better, and more people in the work to create more jobs. i hope in the next few months. >> let's expand on that a little bit, because if you go in the grocery store, you see the prices going up. you see what the price of meat is right now and it's troubling to a lot of especially lower income americans that are worried about being able to put food on the table right now. what do you say to those americans who think, hmm, are democrats not taking this seriously enough with the passage of these massive bills and with inflation the way that it is? where it is right now? >> first of all, i take inflation very seriously and i know my other colleagues do and it's not just, you know, i'm going back, when i got elected to congress, i used to post the cost of coke, eggs, meat. the cost of gasoline going up but it started going up when covid hit this country. reminded people of what it was like a year ago at thanksgiving. able to spend time with the family and friends. 3 or 4 million women had to leave the workforce because there isn't any child care. and by the way, a lot of other things that contribute to this inflation. so getting the build back won't be the normal to take to do anything. it's going to contribute to making things better but take a lot of work and effort. i hope to go down in minutes or months. >> representative debbie dingell, great to see you on this saturday afternoon. thank you so much. my next guest shark tank kevin o'leary with us after the break on why he's optimistic about the economy even as many americans are cutting back their shopping lists. and later on, conservatives push to ban and even burn some school library books. why this may cause long-term issues with children's development. don't go anywhere. ith children's development. don't go anywhere. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills aren't on my mind. i love being able to pick up and go. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions post-injection reactions, liver problems,...and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver problems or mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection site reactions, fever, and tiredness. if you switch to cabenuva, attend all treatment appointments. with once-a-month cabenuva, i'm good to go. ask your doctor about once-monthly cabenuva. now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. we see you. so we designed our new no7 pure retinol range for your skin. informed by 15 years of scientific research; and formulated to be gentler to skin. powerfully targeting the appearance of dark spots, wrinkles, and boosting radiance. only from no7. breaking news from the nfl. the green bay packers just moments ago activating quarterback aaron rodgers off the covid reserve list and he is expected to start against the seattle seahawks. of course, he had missed last week's game against kansas city after testing positive for covid and revealing he had not been vaccinated against the virus. also new numbers from the bureau of labor statistics that point to a continued shift in the american a labor force. 4.4 million americans quit their jobs in september alone. that's the population of kentucky and part of new zealand. what's called the great resignation and the u.s. has never seen anything quite like this with prices and basic necessities going up, that leaves some big questions about where the economy is headed as inflation surges. joining us to give his unique perspective, venture capitalist straight from the "shark tank," kevin o'leary, with quite a background. we appreciate the beach in the distance with all this grim economic news, but you say it's not so grim. so talk to me, kevin, about inflation right now. it wasn't good news for the economy this week when you took a look at inflation, higher than expected. how long is this going to last? >> well, this was, since we last talked, some concerning data. when i talked, it was about supply side that cost from bicycles to gym equipment, started sourcing parts of materials domestically, about 30% at the highest cost and rose their prices 7%, 9%, 10%. that's considered temporary. when we get the supply side working again from other countries and our ports are open again, those subside but what we saw this week is real inflation. and it shows up in the price of eggs and bacon and bread, in the essentials people buy and services they use and this is a result, and i'm not sure everybody is that surprised, i'm poring over $3 trillion in the economy in just 24 months and this is going to have some very challenging issues to face policy makers now because if you're contemplating another stimulus package on top of this one with inflation numbers like this, i think that costs you something politically. people are getting really nervous. when you go out to buy eggs and they cost you 20% more than they did just 18 months ago, that's not good if you're a politician. >> so you're saying this is a result of the american rescue plan. it's not just a result of the supply chain issue and the pandemic in general. this is a result of the legislation that folks in dc have put in place. the money surge that has happened in our economy over the last two years. >> yeah, if you look at every hard asset, i don't care if it's a car, watch, wine, pens, collectibles, nfts, cryptocurrencies. they're exploding in an inflationary price rise because currency, the dollar, we've printed over $3 trillion. that's never, ever, ever been done in any economy anywhere ever on the planet earth, and we shouldn't be surprised it shows up in inflating all of these asset classes. unfortunately, it's also inflating the price of gasoline and food necessities. so i think what's going to happen, and this is a prediction i wouldn't have said ten days ago, build back better, i don't think so. i don't think you can pour another $3 trillion into this economy without exploding inflation in a major way. >> you think that's not legislation to be passed despite the fact democrats tout how much it's going to help working class families when it comes to women wanting to get back to work and you have the child tax credit, you have child care as well. i mean, paid family leave, four weeks of paid family leave. you think they've got to look at the big picture. >> unfortunately, too much for too long has really started. because here's the thing about inflation. when it hits, it really hits. and i think what we saw this week, in 30 years, we haven't had inflation numbers like this, it's really concerning. so i would guess at this point within the democratic party and all politicians, regardless of what side of the aisle you're on, look at the break on this money printing otherwise, late '70s, '80s hyperinflation with 16%, 17%, 18%. this is a big problem for people who own homes and mortgages. you don't want that to happen but it's going to evaporate quickly. i don't want to be partisan, but that bill is dead. that bill is dead. >> wow. that's big, kevin o'leary, considering how much democrats are depending on getting the passage of that. talk to me about the great resignation. >> i think you'll find within the democratic party multiple voices are going to look at this data, wait for more reports, the next cycle of inflation reporting and i think it will be scary what happens. there's too much liquidity in the market and that's the basis of over $3.5 trillion of cash for 24 months. >> but kevin, don't americans have more money in their pockets right now? more money in their bank accounts? aren't we saving more than ever before, because of things like the american rescue plan? so aren't they in some ways, a better financial position before this pandemic because of some of this aid? >> they are. and as a result, the economy is on fire and we have hyperinflation in all kinds of asset classes. pretty well anything a hard asset found geometrically but it didn't affect basic necessities until the last couple of months. there's nothing to destroy political agendas and policies like inflation does because everybody feels it every day, every moment. when you're putting that gas in your car to say, wait a second, this is costing me 22% more than it did just three weeks ago. that's when you really have a hard time proposing more stimulus. this economy is getting overstimulated. it doesn't need more stimulus. don't shoot the messenger. i'm sure it will be debated on both sides of the aisles but i'm going to guess this passage of this bill, i don't think so. >> yeah, well, we'll be watching this over the coming weeks to see what happens with it. kevin o'leary, thank you. great to see you this afternoon. violence is never the answer, except 30% of republicans according to a new study that say violence may be necessary to solve our country's issues. the toxic culture and dangerous threats plaguing washington. where does it go from here? 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this will end up, no question, almost no question there will be an attempt at some sort of political assassination on members. i mean, we don't even know if things have been toiled but this is where we are heading. look at michigan. they are four people because they wanted to kidnap and kill the governor of michigan two years ago. this is so frightening and i really hope doj is clamping down because, again, i think this is moving way past donald trump which is even scarier. >> so let's try and dial it down. let's try to figure out a solution to dialing it down with the three of us here. adrienne, and with that, i want to read for you a piece from the "new york times" talking about, kind of this increase in violence we've been seeing from inside the republican party. from congressional offices to community meeting rooms, threats of violence are becoming common place among a significant segment of the republican party. ten months after rioters attacked the united states capitol on january 6th, and after four years of a president who often spoke in violent terms about his adversaadversaries, right-wing republicans talk more openly and frequently about use of force as justifiable in opposition to those who dislodged him from power. aside from censuring like gosser of him in the cartoon killing alexandria ocasio-cortez, what needs to be done to tamp down on this aggressive engagement having in washington right now? >> well, i think, you know, look, censoring is one thing. that's a slap on the wrist. i mean, i think these members need to be removed from their committees, and i think there should be a consideration of criminal charges, depending on what the violation is. with twitter and with social media becoming more and more prevalent, members of congress use those tools sometimes effectively, but of course, as you just mentioned what congressman gosar did in a very dangerous derogatory manner, it is simply unfathomable, yasmin, that a member of congress could tweet a video like that threatening to kill someone that he essentially, and he gets a slap on the wrist. it's absolutely insane. i remember back in the day when republicans and democrats sit down together, they would have dinner. they would come up with bipartisan solutions to problems. that is still happening but we're not seeing enough of that. instead, we're seeing, especially among the republican party, this going in the opposite direction to become more and more dangerous and toxic in congress. >> susan, can you explain to me death threats over the voting on a bipartisan infrastructure bill? what is that about? >> well, there were some members of the republican party that in the house who called the 13 republicans that voted for infrastructure traitors. and then published their phone numbers. and said call them and used, i wouldn't say violent rhetoric but certainly disturbing rhetoric, a traitor to the country, to the party. what does that even mean? i looked at someone like nicole from staten island. her district needs infrastructure like nobody else. staten island and brooklyn, new york, and yet, when her name was invoked at a local republican meeting, she got booed. i just, there is no explaining how this is tolerated, but i think what we have to see is not just the members of congress who wear it as a badge of honor, unfortunately, but at the local level, calling out these people these horrible things at school board meetings and in the state legislature, and letting, going to their families. like really going after them and call them out on it and see if there is any room for discussion. >> susan, adrienne, thank you both, ladies. appreciate it. after the break, everybody, an outrageous courtroom moment is my head scratcher of the week. we'll be right back. my head sc week we'll be right back. 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>> first of all, i will make something clear. that are muddled up. these are not books taught in classes. these are books available to students to check out in school libraries that's drawing all of this fuss right now. which is wild to me. no one is forcing anyone to read these books. these books are available for students to read and more power to them. and the fact that parents are actively looking for things to criticize in a lot of these cases is what is so fascinating and terrible about all this to me. i mean these books by and large have teams that focus on lgtq or race and that is making people uncomfortable right now to the point they are going to their school books and saying these books should be taken out of schools entirely or as they say in spotsylvania county to members of the school board, actively burned. none of the parents read these books or if they had did as in the case of orlando, florida, one parent went and told her children to check out a minimum wire gender clear, to take it to the school board to say this needs to be banned. they are doing this because of this morele panic and hysteria. they are pushing back on the idea kids should have access on books on race and feature queer characters and themes, to protect them when a lot of times these kids need that him they have kids that need someone and the language of what they are going through, what are they feeling. a lot of these books are written for young adults. >> these efforts are coming from mostly conservatives and republicans mostly. it is coupled with the controversy over teachings of critical race theory which aren't even taught in schools why do you think this has become such a focus in education right now? >> so hoarse the thing. i don't think it is a focus in education. i think it's become folded into the idea of education that is in a way that is really connecting with a lot of people because let's be real, being a parent is scary. sending your kids off to school all day, where they're out of your control, where you have no real impact on what they're being taught during those hours, it must be scary to a lot of people. but this reactionary push to then say no student should have access to make them feel uncomfortable in their own skins in their own lives is a reaction i can't really connect with. these parents are saying, no, my child should not be exposed to this. should not have to deal with, you know, the idea that white people did back things in the past. but these are for the most part high school students who are able to handle these issues, to think critically about these issues and the parents are doing them a disservice. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> we'll be right back everybody with breaking news out of glasgow where the climate summit just wrapped up. stay with us. coming up tonight on ayman, kal penn and his new memoir. you can't be serious. we will talk about what his life has been like after he announced he has engaged his partner. we will tune in here on msnbc for ayman. n msnbc for ayman. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ we're getting destroyed out there. we need a plan! right now, at t-mobile, customers on magenta max can get the new iphone 13 pro... and t-mobile will pay for it! upgrade to the iphone 13 pro... on us. tums vs. mozzarella stick when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. now you see me. now you don't. we see you. so we designed our new no7 pure retinol range for your skin. informed by 15 years of scientific research; and formulated to be gentler to skin. powerfully targeting the appearance of dark spots, wrinkles, and boosting radiance. only from no7. it only takes a second for an everyday item to become dangerous. tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. tide pods child-guard packaging. kevin! kevin? 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