good-paying union jobs. i'm going to transform our transportation system, make high-speed internet affordable and available to everywhere in america. we're going to build the first national network of electric vehicle charging stations all across the country. progress has already begun and now we passed a bipartisan infrastructure bill that will only accelerate it. >> those are the highlights. you notice the shimmering water in the background. this is the white house trying to make a point with the visuals. that backdrop evolves around the key shipping point the president was speaking. meanwhile, there are ongoing shortages related to the pandemic. the poll nearly two-thirds back this big biden spending plan. a positive impact could be felt soon nationwide. >> this money will help more south carolinians get connected with high-speed internet for the first time. >> help turn this into grand central station of the west. >> this will help a lot. farmers need those roads and bridges to get those products to market. >> improving transportation in lower income and lower density areas of savannah. >> infrastructure is important for travel, again, for having, i guess, the places to make sure you can charge your vehicle. >> everything you just saw was local news coverage, people who, in their own communities, might keep an eye on the local news as they flip around, just like local papers still are a way a lot of people get their news. you notice something there that relates to the coverage we've done, a lot of that local coverage is about the stuff, you know what you didn't hear there? you didn't hear a reference to joe manchin or any other individual senator or any other individual meeting. what you heard was the goods and services, the impact, economic, personal and humanitarian. in other words, what this stuff is going to do and how it's being covered. and that may be why the support for it is so much higher than the partisan issues we see that are much more around 50/50. we're already seeing signs before this is signed into law that there are a lot of places where a lot of people welcome the spending and funding. the president also making this point today -- >> infrastructure used to be rated in the united states as the best in the world when it got to the congress. today according to the world economic forum, you know where we rank in infrastructure? 13th in the world. it's about taking a long-term view of our economy to take more jobs, low costs and make sure our shelves are stocked with product. >> i'm joined by the pulitzer prize winner from "the washington post" eugene. how about the mark the president made today and the new shift towards the thing itself and not the messy d.c. process to get it? >> exactly. the thing itself was always the thing, right? it really, really was to the vast, vast majority of people in this country. i mean, we get so wrapped up and obsessed with process here. you know, you note in that montage reel that you played of local coverage, and i'm so glad you did that, you notice nobody was talking about the biff, bipartisan infrastructure bill, nobody was going back and forth over how it came to be. the fact was that train station in san jose is going to be fixed, and all of those projects are going to happen and that always was the most important thing about this bill and that is now what the white house i think would be well advised to continue promoting in the places where it's happening. he was in baltimore today talking about a point to the new container cranes, the places where the new container cranes are going to be put in. he could show people where the new tunnel is going to be dug. this is important stuff, and it's long, long overdue. >> yes. michelle, the number one aide at the white house, chief of staff rob klain, just appeared on nbc as they make this push. >> a lot of push for republicans who did sign up and support the infrastructure bill. but it's just not healthy. the infrastructure should not be a partisanship but there is not a democratic or republican bridge. there really isn't a democratic or republican road. this is the kind of thing the parties should be able to come together, and that's what president biden did. >> michelle, fact check, true? >> i mean, technically it's true that there's not such thing as a democratic or republican road or bridge. this bill had the support of 13 members of the house, and support of a lot of members including mitch mcconnell, very, very popular across the country. it also i think is manifested true for most of the republican party the failure of the joe biden presidency. it's far, far more important than any sort of physical infrastructure in the united states. that's why you're seeing people talk about stripping these 13 republicans of their committee assignments. and so i feel -- and i hope that the biden administration is able to both sort of play up the extremism of the republican party but also make sure people understand that when this spending starts as it should start in the next foo months, that people understand where it's coming from. this was a big mistake that the obama administration made, is that they got funding but they never touted it. they never sort of wanted to put, you know, obama on anything or brought to you by president obama. as a result things sort of happened that people didn't necessarily draw a political connection to the administration. >> yeah, i mean, we know the famous saying, gene, about campaigning in poetry and governing in prose, you also can have humility to some degree in your personal approach to the job. i think that barack obama was both confident and different than other politicians, but, boy, you better be popping out and cocky and excited and selling what you did because people want to know where their money is going. it's interesting if you do the obama comparison that michelle makes because we pulled video in front of the same bridge when they were appealing for more infrastructure spending all the way back then. take a look. >> behind us stands the ben spence bridge that it's in such poor condition it's labeled functionally obsolete. >> and replacing the bridge in cincinnati, you like that, critical to the region. >> this will be the first time i have come up here in a quarter of a century where i thought maybe there was a way forward on the brent spence bridge. >> i've got to tell you, gene, that's a lot of people who know about this bridge but never funded it revitalization. it's striking to see biden winning on it and of all people, mitch mcconnell, who was for it after he was against it, coming around saying maybe we're going to fix this thing with biden money. >> right, because if you have ever seen that bridge, it's a very important, very ricketedy bridge that really, really needs to be replaced actually and has needed repair or replacement for a long time, for decades, and everybody knew it and it never got done. so now that it can get done, there should be signs and billboards and maybe loud speakers, i don't know, but it should be made clear that it was president biden who made this possible. and in the final analysis, i think the republican political class may be underestimating the impact of that that can be had if people are told where this money came from as it starts pouring in. that's actual stuff happening on the ground that i can see that benefits me. >> there's another big piece of news i wanted to get your reaction, michelle, and you wrote a lot about inequality and how it intersects with our moment, the wall street markets may be up but the supermarket and gas stations and a lot of other places are down, and it's affecting working people. eggs, beef, of course, gas, all from the bureau of labor statistics where these are multi decade-level records for spikes, and at a practical level, michelle, it means working people on set or fixed budgets may be going into some of the toughest times, which is saying something after the last two years. your thoughts? >> i mean, look, it's obviously a big, big problem, and i think it's a substantial reason why biden's approval rating has been, you know, has been falling so much in the last few months. i hope this administration is able to make the case that inflation is one reason why you need to take action in the build back better bill to bring down childcare cost, to bring down prescription drug cost. this inflation report is likely to give joe manchin, who's been consistently concerned about the connection between government spending and inflation, i suspect it will give him even further pause on build back better but there's a case to be made that it should be kind of more impotent to build back better. >> that really goes to being aware of what the problems are and these solutions they offer and to some in congress that it almost should never be. i want to thank you, gene and michelle, for kicking us off tonight. we have several other reports. legal smackdown, donald trump losing again in court, trying to hide evidence. he lost. he will not be able to hide the january 6th evidence. we also have the potential star witness in the georgia principal probe who, you probably recognize him, would not go find votes for donald trump. he's my guest tonight. and calls by some for a mistrial and accused killer indicted for murder sobbing on the stand. >> as you see him lunging at you, what do you do? 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fretting going on about as well a dip in biden's poll numbers. michelle golderg just mentioned that. and there are larger dynamics also at work here. for example, despite all of that left wing and pundit angst about what happened in virginia, as we've shown, the incumbent party in the white house loses that next year's race when the opposition mobilizes. you can see it in six elections in a row if you count biden. we could also be illuminating the step back with that in mind and look at the big picture. you may recall james carville famously said in a recession, it's the economy, stupid. he did update that. this was before joe biden won in 2020. >> it's the pandemic, stupid. >> in '92 it was it's the economy, stupid. you're going with this year, it's the pandemic, stupid. >> that's a huge part of it. everybody in the world is aware of it. >> a veteran strategist saying for all of the problems with trump, and james carville has all kinds of beef with trump, it was the pandemic that would loom largest in voters' minds and they may incumbent that incumbent president, especially as he failed to combat it. but it was really larger than any other story line. for then president trump, it was certainly a big problem. americans did not approve of donald trump's approach to covid, whether it was talking about taking clorox or denialism or falsely comparing it to the flu or warm weather would drive it out, you see right here if you want to actually look at data instead of, you know, just virginia punditry, that the data shows this was an issue for donald trump throughout with americans disapproving overwhelmingly of his handling, especially going into key points like the election. then joe biden won and came into office with a lot of optimism about turning the page on trumpism in general, on racism and bigotry as well as covid. the vaccines began to roll out and many experts said it was only a matter of time that america would largely be in the clear. you remember the talk about the hot vax summer. it might be easy to forget now, but many were so convinced we heard experts tout specific timelines to end all of this, including cities like new york holding an official reopening concert. >> getting back to normality gradually, getting people back to work, i believe that's likely going to start in a few months as we get into march and april. >> by july the 4th, there's a good chance you, your families and friends will be able to get together in your backyard, and mark our independence from this virus. >> reporter: gathering getting back to normal after many missed memories. >> america is back on the move, unlocked, unfetterred, free. >> that was the move, the mood. the mood was backed by those leaders. now, let's have some real talk here. the fact is america was not anywhere near completely in the clear by july 4th. and vaccine resistance was a factor, but it cannot all be blamed on that either. whether people like it or not, government leaders, i just showed you some of them, and medical experts who were right about many other things, they came together and they wrote an expectations check that they couldn't cash. and many policies once justified as temporary strict measures continued, and they grated on people and the delta surge hit and took many places backwards, undermining some of that progress and biden's approval, which handling covid, which started so strong, again, this might be more useful than virginia punditry, it started strong and definitely in contrast to a failed trump administration but it began falling in july and accelerating in august as the cdc declared delta was a predominant strain in the u.s. look how high it was above 60 on the far left. you see august and then continues to go down. i will leave that up for you because that's a slide that really matters and continues through this day as people live through this covid life. the health scare, the economic impact, the day-to-day impact. none of this automatically explains virginia, which followed a long history that predates the pandemic. but it does show there's more to widespread covid anger than its cream caricature in a few clip from school board meetings or bad-faith right wing arguments, which we have fact checked. let me give it to you straight. people sacrificed a lot. they were given expectations that didn't always bear out. and the data shows people don't view every policy tradeoff as a black and white clash between science and stupidity. the voters may see gray where some partisan democrats were seeing blue, in thinking they had blue policies that automatically were always better than donald trump's failures. and there are polls and anecdotal reporting and other measurements that suggest some voters viewed certain safety measures as overkill or unfair to the working class, like completely closing schools for recent stages of the pandemic, which some experts liken to masking outdoors, sort of a psa security theater phase of this otherwise serious emergency. now, none of that cancels out the enduring support for a biden-style populism. we can see and we reported on this, most people support the spending. when you look at control of congress, it becomes a much tighter quest. now, there are some in washington who are saying this will all be moot by next november because covid is fading. you will notice as a keen listener, that's exactly the kind of thing they were saying before this current november when, as i just showed you, covid did not fade. now the democrats now clock a spending win. will they learn the right lessons from this electorate, or will they freak out in a defensive political mie asthma of twitter hot takes and self-flagellation sparked by the very right wing trolling they say they abhor? i'm almost completely serious, these are some of the serious chases. political strategist chai komanduri is here when we're back in 60. kevin. oh nice. kevin, where are you? kevin?!?!? hey, what's going 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obama campaign. good to see you, sir. >> good to see you, ari. how are you? >> great. as we make sense of it all, how big a factor does covid continue to be in every political race in america? >> it is simply the factor, it is simply the most important issue. look, what voters are feeling now is a very clear anxiety, an anxiety about what the future holds. now in the polling it shows up more than as an economic anxiety but keep in mind, that anxiety is entirely related to the pandemic. people do not know what the future of the pandemic is going to be. are we going to be in masks forever? things that are besetting the economies that you talked about earlier, inflation, supply chain, labor shortages, all of that comes out of the pandemic. and what has happened with joe biden is he's simply lost the narrative on the pandemic. the pandemic narrative is controlled by the people who oppose him. it is controlled by the gop that has it a virulent opposition to the vaccine and the vaccine mandates, and when joe biden announced his vaccine mandate, they simply laughed it off and said they were not going to comply. it's controlled by joe manchin and krysten sinema, who have said the things that he has said he would do in terms of legislation, build back better, will have no possible impact on the fears and anxieties the american people are experiencing today, that that legislation simply is pork barrel spending and we can do without a lot of it. >> can we talk about carrots and sticks? >> absolutely. >> it seems like joe biden at the level of policy and political mentioning has excelled with the carrots. the biden stimulus check, people know about. a lot of people got them. they've become punchlines, jokes, references but everybody knows he came in and immediately started doing that. the new spending bill, i just showed the numbers. the idea that there's someone in charge of the white house and federal government who is using the money for you, not the billionaires, is starting to seep through. that's carrot. on covid, it seems like biden and the democrats continually own sticks. masks, mandates, something that is, according to health experts good, the vaccine, becomes something to some americans feel like is a stick. we covered the reason that is. i'm not saying it's simple. but the problem you say is the number one issue of the day, of the year, years plural, and they're owning only the stick part? >> yes, and what happened is the republicans simply ignored and laughed and mocked at all of the sticks joe biden has wielded. so the result has been that vaccinated people are, quite frankly, very upset at joe biden because they don't think he's done enough and unvaccinated people are angry he's done anything at all. so he's gotten kind of the worst of both worlds out of this and he really needs to course correct on this and really show the american people, look, this is my plan. this is where we're going to be going as a country, and oh, by the way, this great legislation, it's going to help us get there. you know, one of the big frustrations i have is the democratic party keeps having ideological battles. should we be more centrist? should we be more progressive? the reality is swing voters are not ideological. they want results. it's like in "the return of the jedi," it didn't matter who blew up the death star, lando, luke, han, it didn't matter. the ee woulds were going to dance the win that thing blew up. and voters will reward democrats the minute they feel they can take off their masks and resume their normal life. it would also make joe biden's life and democratic life much easier because it would let us get through some other progressive legislation goals we have, like voting rights, like police reform, all of that will come if we get the big thing right, which is the pandemic future in the united states of america. >> in that category, what is the force that is american politics? >> the force would be the message. if you think about the way the force works in "star wars," it's sort of the glue between the jedi, the individual who wheels it and their outcome. the way you achieve these in politics is through message. i think the problem for joe biden has been the force, the message, has entirely been controlled by the other side. the other side, opposition, has controlled the message. tucker carlson basically said this pandemic is bs, forget about it, don't worry about it. as a result that has become the thing that's carried the day. people do not have any faith and confidence in a democratic message on the pandemic quite simply because they do not know where we're going. they do not know what the future holds for us. and that's something democrats really need to put some leaves on that tree and define. >> that makes sense, you have to use the force, which you're calling message, and that message or force has to be something more than just saying that you're not darth vader or mitch mcconnell or you're not the emperor or trump because he tells vader what to do, not being the emperor, while a good thing for the universe is not always enough. chai, i didn't know we'd go here but i'm glad we did and i appreciate you, as always. >> thank you. i appreciate you. >> thank you, sir. coming up -- we have some very special reports. there's new legal heat on trump with a judge rebuking him, reminding him presidents are not kings and he cannot hide january 6th evidence. and our special guest, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, who is rumored to be a potential star witness as the other probe in georgia intensifies. also the trial we've been covering for you, the murder suspect who killed two blm protesters breaking down. we have that for you. for you is. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel for powerful arthritis pain relief. voltaren, the joy of movement. meet stuart and byron, owners of sml, a tiny home architecture firm. they were getting ready 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>> he asked me to recalculate or look and we had facts and truth on our side and that's why i wrote "integrity counts" to set the record straight. there were not 5,000 people. it was less than 5. things like that. so i wanted to write the book to set the record straight so people could understand that president trump came up short in the state of georgia. >> came up short and lost. in your view, does it end there or do you think that he or his aides or allies crossed any lines in georgia? >> that's really a legal question. i'm a structural engineer secretary of state, obviously, but we'll let the judges and we'll let the lawyers decide those issues. but i wrote the book and i really have been fact based on it. but i'm trying to help my republican friends to understand what actually happened in georgia. 28,000 georgians skipped the presidential ballot. they didn't vote for anyone and yet they voted down-ballot. and there were metropolitan areas of athens and atlanta, senator david perdue got 27,000 more votes than president trump. and republican congressional areas, republican congressmen got 37,000 more votes than president trump. you look at those three data points, it really says it all. obviously, we responded to every single other allegation, it was like rumor whack-a-mole. we couldn't knock them down fast enough. they just flamed up there and we kept knocking them down every day. sometimes having one press conference, sometimes three. when you have 80 million twitter followers, you can make a whole lot of noise and we responded with facts but we were not drowned out by the cascade and calvacade we heard. >> yes, you mentioned in the book you write about the threats i felt then and believe today it was a threat the way the then president was addressing you and your team. others obviously thought so too because some of trump's more radical followers responded as if it were their duty to carry out this threat. given your role and knowledge, are there other things that should be done to prevent this kind of pressure, and should these secretary of state offices even be partisan? >> well, i do think that when people threaten poll workers -- we had poll workers in some counties that are 75% republican, and those poll workers were followed home, and then we had threats from gwinnett county, a large county, and that needs to stop. poll workers are good, honest -- they're your neighbors. they're the people you see at the grocery store out there at the ballfields. you need to understand they're doing great work working 14-hour days and they don't need to be threatened. nobody needs to be. secretary workers have young children and their children were scared and really didn't know what was going to happen. that's just way beyond anything that should happen to any elected official in america. >> yeah, i hear you there. you're an official, as mentioned. you're an author now with a book. you also are a candidate, as people are in our democracy, so i wanted, stay with me, i wanted to get some of your reaction to this as a republican official, jody hice, who is now running for secretary of state, somebody who objected to counting georgia's electettes on january 6th, who called out the secretary of state it is my deep conviction raffensperger's platform would progressively pursue voter fraud, renewing integrity and heist of the campaign with donald trump. >> he's running against one of the worst secretary of states in america, raffensperger, who is trying to turn the tables on me because i'm fighting for integ rati. >> nobody understands the disaster of lack of election integrity than the people of georgia, and now it's our hour to take it back. >> do you view this as a matter of policy and it's just another election, or are you concerned this opponent could actually corrupt and undermine democracy itself in office? >> well, in his case, congressman heist, it's just hollow rhetoric. when they showed up to certify the election in january, he actually certified his race from the same machines and same ballot and he said that was an accurate election. yet for the president he said it wasn't. that's a double-minded person, and as a pastor, he should know better. >> i think you mentioned that in the book, which, again, it speaks to just how much of this is lies. i'm reading from the book, "heiss accepted rlts of his own race, which he won, but objected to the results of the presidential race. some voters, same ballots. one presumably honest and the other faulty. would you agree if donald trump were the republican nominee or re-elected president that democracy itself would be in danger in the u.s. >> i just know in georgia i will continue to fight hard for election integrity, and i think you need to elect officials who will fight for integrity and stand for the law and also stand for the constitution. that is the pillar of american democracy is the rule of law and our constitution. and people need to stand for it and fight for it and protect it and defend it. >> understood. well, it was a busy time. i remember watching you when you spoke out at the time and covering all of that, i appreciate you coming here on "the beat", mr. raffensperger, and i hope you will come back. >> thank you, ari. >> thank you, sir. coming up -- ted cruz picked a bird fight that he may be losing to these fictional streets. and a dramatic day in court as a murder suspect takes the stand. we have a lot more for you tonight. arthritis pain gel. my husband's got his moves back. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel for powerful arthritis pain relief. voltaren, the joy of movement. doesn't your family deserve the best? 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>> i didn't do anything wrong. i defended myself. >> indicted for murder, kyle rittenhouse, trying to take control of the story line from the prosecutors who had detailed how he obtained a gun illegally, came into this new town armed and ready to go, ultimately attacking and killing two protesters. the defendant went through an orchestrated story with his lawyers, which is the right of any defend in american courts. what you're going to see here an effort to present a story of self-defense, a myth-claimed danger. >> during the evening, was there any friction between your group and the protesters/rioters? >> no, the only type of stuff that happened was the person that attacked me first threatened to kill me twice. >> okay. and the person who threatened to kill you we now know is mr. rosenbaum, correct? >> yes. >> rittenhouse ultimately broke down on the stand in dealing with the key moments crying as he recounted what he says happened. >> there were -- there were -- people right there. that's what i'm -- that's when i run -- >> it is time for our break anyway. >> it was a dramatic moment in a tough trial. of course, those are the tears of the killer. the killing itself not in doubt. the legal question is whether it was a justified killing. and the jury has to look at that and put aside the emotion and determine whether or not it was justified. indeed, if someone feels bad about doing it, that is not a murder defense. now, the trial judge was facing separate criticism from legal experts over claims in statemen of this defendant and basically against the prosecutors then did something else tearing into the prosecutor over what might have been a outine decision about evidence. i say routine because there are many twists and turns about what evidence goes into a trial especially a complex murder trial. the jury was not in the room for this so this really shouldn't affect them at all but it was quite an exchange. >> the court left the door open. >> for me, not for you. >> my understanding -- >> you should have come and asked for reconsideration. i was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant's post arrest silence. that's basic law. it been basic law in this country for 40 years, 50 years. i have no idea why you'd do something like that. i heard nothing in this trial to change my rulings. >> that was before -- >> don't get brazen with me. >> my good faith feeling this morning after watching that testimony was you had left the door open a little bit, now we had something new and i was going to probe it. >> i don't believe you, when you were saying you were acting on good faith. i don't believe that, okay? 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