kayleigh mcenany and the aide that became so powerful in the final weeks of trump's presidency, he was dubbed the deputy president but we begin with a question. where is kevin? the republican quote unquote leader in the house kevin mccarthy is missing in action after a republican lawmaker appeared to threaten the life of another member of congress on social media. arizona republican congressman paul gosar posted a clip of an aname video of him killing alexandria ocasio-cortez and it features a character with gosar's face killing ocasio-cortez and slashing the face of president biden. it been flagged by twitter for hateful content but been allowed to remain on the site. house speaker nancy pelosi condemned on the video and called for mccarthy to do the same and called on the ethics committee to investigate. all indications point to mccarthy doing what he's always done, nothing. he's turned a blind eye to gosar's other anticscertifying biden and one of three republican congressman that helped him plan the rally ahead of the january 6th insurrection. gosar is so unhinged that in 2018 six of his siblings cut an ad endorsing his opponent and have since pushed to have him ex -- expelled from congress in part because of his involvement with january 6th. for her part, congresswoman ocasio-cortez noted it's the latest in a stream of threats against and harassment of her by republicans. she called gosar a creepy member who fund raises with neo nazis saying he'll face in consequences because he's cheered on with excuses. in a statement tonight, gosar responded to the blow back lengthy statement saying he doesn't espouse violence toward members and that the violence depicted was quote symbolic. joining me now, christina greer associate professor. charlie sikes editor at large and professor of history and american studies at yale university. all, thank you very much for coming to "the reidout." charlie, i'll start with you and play this sound from adam schiff on "the view" today, what he had to say about gosar. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> first of all he has no business being in congress. he should have never been elected. he doesn't belong there and sadly, sadly republican congress is now characterized by numerous kooks and dangerous cranks and when you consider where the leadership of that conference is, they're talking today removing committees that voted for a bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> charlie, when you consider where the leadership of the conference is, where is the leader of the conference? where is kevin mccarthy? >> yeah, well, stop me if you've heard this before but he's not going to do anything about paul gosar. look, paul gosar is a biggat with serious mental issues. they would say you're bad for our brand and values and you have to go. a healthy political culture would hold him accountable but here we are and this is why we need to take this seriously and i'll make two points about violence and standards. the threat of political violence is very real. we have lived through this. "the washington post" has an account of what school board members are going through on a daily basis, the death threats and harassment. we've seen what is happening with election officials around the country. just today, michigan congressman fred upton said he received death threats of marjorie taylor greene posted his phone number and called him a traitor for voting for the bipartisan infrastructure bill. this is a very, very dangerous time. so not only do you have someone like paul gosar stocking but this is taking place at a time this is really part of the political environment and so kevin mccarthy's silence is sort of same old, same old but again, you know, be careful what you wish for in this particular case but again, it's almost like an old story is the republican party going to hold paul gosar accountable no like they won't hold lauren. they will have liz cheney will remember in good standing. >> professor freeman to pick up on what charlie was talking about, the violence is real and this is a very dangerous moment that we're in in our country but is this more dangerous than it's ever been in the history of our country when it comes to the use of -- well, they didn't have social media back in the old days, but, you know, the threat of political violence and in any form, we've been here before, haven't we? >> well, we have and we haven't. that's a historian friendly question. there is a long trail of violence in a variety of different ways on a high level, on a low level, all kinds of violence intertwined with american politics. what is distinctive about this moment, i guess, there are two things. number one is the -- i suppose you could say in a sense the okay for this kind of behavior, the endorsement of this kind of behavior is coming from very high up so it's not as though there is a random member here or there who is doing something like this. we have a former president who encouraged it, and we have a republican party which isn't really saying much about it. we're in the middle of basically a crisis of accountability and i think we can see how if you look at january 6th, if you look at the current moment, if you look at any number of ways in which people are violating norms and really just sort of trashing people with no accountability at all, it's going to encourage more of the same. there is no question it will be encouraging more of the same and that's what we're seeing now. >> right, hopefully not going to the end result we keep seeing. christina, let me show you this tweet from congressman ted lieu saying this is sick behavior and tweeted out the video showing him killing ocasio-cortez from his official account and personal account and any workplace in america if a co-worker made an animated video killing another worker, that person would be fired so professor greer, to the point professor freeman made this crisis of accountability is very real. how is the capitol not considered today a hostile work environment as a result of that? >> well, we have to remember jonathan don't forget marjorie taylor greene was costing representative ocasio-cortez in front of her office and cori bush requested to move office the because so many members of the republican caucus behaved so badly that it is a threat to the workplace. we can't forget that chism was stabbed while campaigning so violence against women and women of color is not new and definitely not new in this political climate not just for elected official the but also for journalists and academics you talk about in the report on this new wing of the party that is taking over like a cancer. charlie said that, you know, gosar represents a biggat with mental health issues. many are taking a lead from donald trump, sanctions this and welcomes it. my college from yale joy said encourages the past test and i would say current tense. you know that he would be encouraging and supporting and praising gosar, marjorie taylor greene to other members of the party to say if you don't get in line, if you don't support this type of really insidious disgusting behavior towards democrats, i won't support you and so this is where the republican party is. they have to be honest this is how they have chosen to cast their luck, republican voters have to be honest this is the party they support and tell themselves it's about tax breaks all they want. this is a party of bigotry and violence now and that's the moment we're in in the 21st century. >> professor greer, to your point, you mentioned marjorie taylor greene's history of harassment. i'll put up a bunch of headlines. representative green aggressively confronts ocasio-cortez calling new york congresswoman to raise security concerns and cori bush is moving her office after taylor greene beraided her and marjorie taylor greene fights with house colleagues. the colleagues were congresswoman liz cheney and jamie raskin. they're on the floor of the house. charlie, oh, one more thing, marjorie taylor greene. this is element for her. marjorie taylor greene launches an attack on the 13 republican quote unquote traitors who voted for the biden infrastructure bill. trade tors. i -- charlie, i'm old enough to remember when republicans loved infrastructure. they would love to be there for the bill signing and take all the credit and now it's triggerous behavior? >> yes, and of course, donald trump had proposed infrastructure bill and they would have enthusiastically supported it. a party of bigotry and violence, republican leaders could refute that dramatically by kicking out paul gosar or marjorie taylor greene and say no, this is not who we are but in fact, they embrace them and treat them like rock stars so this is objectively true but the contrast between the anger against the members who voted for bridges and roads versus the absolute indifference to somebody like paul gosar says something. mentioning the word traitor. it's the entire trust of this argument that we are in this massive war for the future of the country and they mean it literally, they are fighting against forces who hate america, who hate god trying to destroy the country and the president when he says that the insurrection was on november 3rd, not on january 6th is really fermenting that apocalypse vision you have to fight violently to protect your country and that will have consequences in a country with as many guns as we have. >> professor freeman, for me reading, one thing to have marjorie taylor greene with nothing to do because she's not on a committee say these folks are traitors but reading reports that those 13 members are being targeted by the rank and file of the republican caucus to get them yanked from their committees because they had the nerve to vote for a bipartisan bill, why shouldn't i be afraid for the future of the republic just based on that alone? >> well, fear is the gold here, that's the way all of these threats work. i read earlier today that congressman gosar said i didn't really mean to threaten the member of congress. it was just a video. any of these behaviors, any of these threats, any of this language, any of this i'm confronting you outside of your office, any of that behavior might not work through to violence, there might not be actual violence that comes of it but the message is clear and implications are clear and there is a long history in american political history of people on the national stage saying to one another we need to be careful what we say here because the nation will follow the example. they said that in the founding period. they said that in the years leading up to the civil war. we have to be careful or our words and be careful of our behavior because we're modelling for the nation what the nation is here in congress. so this all matters more than it might seem to. >> and professor greer last question to you real quick, am i wrong to be worried, to be really worried about the republic as a result of republicans who voted for a bipartisan bill basically doing their jobs now being actively threatened with their committee assignments for doing their job? >> we should be but we should be worried so many democratic leaders are not as forceful as they could and should be. the threat is real. the republicans made it clear they will continue to support donald trump and his lies all the way through the end and they have to make sure that january 6th wasn't just dress rehearsal and there are so many americans with guns who see this as, you know, their destiny to fight for this nation against immigrants, people of color, women of color, especially women and the democratic party needs to be serious about the threat the republican party holds and who they have become the past few years. >> christina greer, charlie charlie, thank you for coming back. the january 6th committee issues a new round of subpoenas that to trump administration officials including the man that was known as the deputy president. also, i'm joined by the reporter that broke the story of the secret nra conference call in the aftermath of the columbine high school massacre. plus, the right wing echo chamber gets more revolting, if that's possible, as dennis prager rewrites the history of the aids crisis. he dedicated his life to public service, remembering a true patriot, max cleland. 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>> john mcentee was at the bottom of the campaign with not a lot of political experience but really thrived in a trump white house that did not have a lot of order and found himself in the final days of the administration as someone with an enormous amount of power, the power over personnel, someone that trump was listening to. you have to remember what those final weeks of the trump administration were like. the john kellys of the world were long gone and don mcgahns of the world were long gone and bill barrs of the world had been pushed aside and that allowed people like rudy giuliani, mike flynn and mcentee to have direct access to the president at a time trump was looking for anything to stay in office. he was willing to entertain any idea to push any norm and to essentially fortify himself in the white house to stay there as long as possible. now, we know that these efforts failed but as you're pointing out, the committee is going back and looking at this and mcentee is an important person in trump's orbit at that point in time. >> our colleague jonathan karl has a new book on trump and i want to read to you what he writes about john mcentee's efforts to overturn the election. get a led of this. when white house counsel told trump pence did not have the power to overturn the election, mcentee drafted his own constitutional analysis with assist from his rogue legal advisors directly contradicting cipellone and every other expert in the country. neal, as a former acting solicitor general, i can only imagine how offended you must be that someone without even law degree providing his own constitutional analysis. >> yeah, no, you're absolutely right and this story somehow manages to make john eastman look even worse. eastman is extensively a law professor and couldn't come up with a better legal theory than this bag boy johnny mcentee. nobody heard of this guy. certainly nobody in legal circles and now all of a sudden, he's the guy who is writing the legal strategy for the president of the united states during a contested election? i think this demonstrates a real big problem in government. it's true in every administration. there are always yes people that surround themselves with cabinet officials, with presidents who say don't worry about that pesky law, this or that. here is someway around it. it invariably bogus. the thing you mentioned says that basically that this guy is set up a rogue legal team to plot a coup and even bill barr according to this reporting by mr. carl thought that johnny mcentee was crossing the line. bill barr whose whole theory as an executive that the president controls the entire executive branch, this is like aoc saying your health care plan provides too much coverage. [ laughter ] >> you know, michael, i want to put up a calendar because i noticed yesterday when the subpoenas that came out that there is an interesting pattern happening and then the new subpoenas that came out and now this pattern is now clear. i mean, look from november 29th basically right through december 15th, every day someone who has been subpoenaed is due to appear to give a deposition before the select committee. every day with the exception of maybe one day i can see there, december 7th. do you think that what the committee is doing is basically defying these folks on a daily basis to not show up? >> i don't know. i'm not sure and i'm not sure what the committee will ultimately get from these individuals. some of them are the most loyal of the loyal. mike flynn was pardoned by donald trump. bernie carrick was pardoned. trump gave them a second lease of life and the president said is a sworn enemy and look, the justice department has not moved yet into show what they're going to do about trying to enforce these subpoenas that not being responded to by congress but the committee is in a difficult spot because it wants to get its work done before the 2022 midterm elections and that's a difficult way to run an investigation because an investigation should be a large fact-finding exercise where you go out and you spend as much time as possible looking at things. they want to do it on a shorter period of time and want it to be done by early next year and that undermines what they will be able to do because they -- because let's say that steve bannon doesn't want to compile with the subpoena and wants to take that to the supreme court. that could drag the investigation on. does that mean that by the time he gets to the midterm elections if your legal stuff with steve bannon is not resolved, do you not have his testimony? so you're seeing here some of the faults in a congressional investigation like this. >> and neal, real quickly, last question to you and i'm sorry we are out of time, almost out of time but to michael's point the fact that the doj hasn't moved on the criminal contempt citation from the house against steve bannon who was not even a member of the administration on january 6th makes me wonder if let's say mcentee of kayleigh mcenany defies the subpoena and the house votes them in contempt of congress, criminal contempt of congress because they were employees of the executive, do you think doj would move faster than it is moving now in the case of bannon because they were working for the president of the united states at the time? >> jonathan, i think doj will move faster but not because of the executive branch status or not. it's rather the first contempt referral just going to take more time to set up procedures and personnel. bannon has a bogus claim of executive privilege since he never worked at the time in the executive branch. at least these other folks do so they have, like, a terrible flimsy awful claim but it's 1% better than bannon's. both of these are bogus. i understand lots of people are upset the justice department hasn't moved quickly enough but i do think it takes time for these processes to develop and if garland doesn't move in the next week or two, i'll be incredibly concerned and i think we all should be because the american people need to find out the truth and as michael said, these people are all loyalists but darn it, you got to try and you got to, you know, seek contempt actions and the like and try to get them to tell the truth under oath. >> all right. in the next week or two. now we got another calendar item to look forward to. thank you very much for coming to "the reidout". we're used to hearing the nra saying gun control isn't the solution after a school shooting happens but after 1999 columbine massacre, they weren't sure how to respond. that's next. sure how to respond that's next. ♪♪ things you start when you're 45. coaching. new workouts. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. ok, let's talk about those changes to your financial plan. bill, mary? 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>> well, we consider it such an array of different options whether cancelling their convention or setting up a $1 million fund for victims but really over this throughout the conversations is that if they were to do something like that, it would be kind of seen as a sign of complicity, that they might be seen as responsible if they would do something that was, that included cancelling their convention or giving money to victims. >> and i think tim, you'll know this. the lobbiests, the nra lobbiests hammer, is she the one from florida? >> she is. >> so she's like the most powerful person aside from wayne la pierre within the nra. i want to play this sound from then nra president. this came after the nra decided to go through with their conference in denver. have a listen to what he had to say. >> when an isolated terrible event occurs our phones ring demanding that the nra explain the inexplicable. why us? because their story needs a villain. the dirty secret of this day in age is that political gain and media ratings all too often bloom on fresh graves. >> okay. so that was -- he said that publicly it looks like that that was at the convention. he just doubled down. you can take from that tone there that the nra in that moment decided we're not -- we're not only not going to take responsibility, we're going to be proactive in pushing back against it. >> what is so amazing about these tapes is you see in realtime really the nra strike that -- strategizing behind the scenes what will be their strategy for dealing with school shootings in the decades to come. columbine and shootings at the high school were the start of the modern era of more common school shootings and of course, you hear echoes of this strategy over time as the nra responds to other school shootings. >> actually, to that point, let put up this graphic we pulled together. here is what they said in 2007 after virginia tech. this is not a time for political discussions or public policy debates. in 2012 after babies basically were shot at sandy hook, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a give up. and then after the parkland shootings in 2018, many in legacy media love mass shootings, which tim, sounds very much like what charlton heston said, what was that? back in 9 9. >> that's right, the nra went back behind the scenes of what is happening. there is a really interesting story told in both these tapes and in my book "misfire" which goes into what happens behind that curtain and a lot of the personalities inside the nra over the last decade, the nra is in an enormous amount of trouble facing financial challenges in 2018 and almost couldn't make payroll and now it's facing legal challenges from the new york attorney general who has filed a lawsuit to attempt to dissolve the nra completely arguing they're so corrupt from top to bottom they shouldn't be able to exist as a non-profit. >> as the book behind you says, the name of the book is "misfire inside the down fall of the nra" and you get to the inside of the down fall from wayne la pierre to mrs. la pierre and a host of other characters. tim mack, thank you for coming to "the reidout". up next, a conservative talk show host is trying to rewrite the aids crisis. we'll be right back. the aids cr. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ tide pods ultra oxi one ups the cleaning power of liquid. can it one up whatever they're doing? 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it would have been unimaginable. >> that was dennis swearing covid anti-vaxxers have suffered a worse fate than gay men and iv drug users during the aids epidemic but history reveals an entirely different story. while aids was first identified in 1981 president ronald reagan didn't publicly acknowledge the disease until four years later. at that time, some called it the quote gay cancer homophobic headlines around the globe. the religious right considered it some sort of divine punishment for the alleged sins of gay people. >> aids generally caused and believed to be caused by homosexual promiscuity. >> many people with hiv were shunned by their families and rejected by society. thousands more were left to die alone deprived of the simplest compassion like a hug. hundreds were buried in anonymity in mass graves. 10-year-old ryan white was kicked out of school stigmatized for contracting the disease through a blood chance fusion so how did the majority of america allow themselves to be governed with an irrational fear. those who are shunned and shamed like to know the revision of history is a right wing victim hood best examplefied by people like green bay packers quarterback aaron rogers, the right wing darling because while they claim he's a pariah to the quote unquote woke mob, the reality is he's being called out for what he did, which is lie. with me now is tim miller, writer at large and michael harriet, senior writer for the root.com. thank you for being here. tim, when i heard what dennis prager had to say, i was like say what now? is he -- what gives that every time, you know, right wingers get bent out of shape and put out, it's always there the first ones to ever really feel any kind of being shunned or pushed aside. >> yeah, boy, they love the victim status, don't they, jonathan? not a lot of empathy there. look, some of the viewers are like look, you know, right wing talk radio guy says obnoxious thing. why does this raise to our attention? dennis prager is not a random person. prager on youtube gets tens of millions of views and indock nating people for anti climate change views and the hoax and covid is a hoax and all these sorts of things and so, you know, when somebody like that shows that they've just thought so little, i mean, he lived through the aids crisis for starters so the idea that someone like that could have such an influential, you know, quazi university program and not have even taken a moment to just think that that could come out of your mouth without even at all reflecting what happened with those in the gay community in the '80s and '90s and beyond that suffered unbelievable indignity when it comes to aids i think reflects just how bad the rot is all the way down and just to be honest, i think it shows us that an entirely history that the run on this. i don't mind there are candidates i worked for that have had changes of heart. we want people to have a change of heart. you have to recognize what was wrong in the past and how people were wronged and reflect on that and shamed to pretend like your old views didn't exist and pretend like the suffering of people didn't exist is not a way to move forward, it's a way to absolve yourself of any sin and turn yourself into the victim. >> michael, this is happening at the second time everyone is talking about aaron rogers and, you know, his lying about being vaccinated. you know, he in an interview last week, aaron rogers invoked the name of martin luther king and claiming that king would have agreed that he had quote a moral obligation to object to unjust rules and rules that make no sense. he obligation to object to unjust rules and rules that make no sense. he gave an interview to i believe it was "today" where he apologizes for lying and claims he doesn't care about the debate. here is what he said. the right is going to champion me and the left is going to cancel me. the whole time, i don't give a blank about either of them. politics is a total sham. your views on what aaron rodgers is doing right now by avoiding any kind of responsibility or accountability here. >> right. this is the real critical race theory, if you will. the revisionist history, the false narratives that they put forth. we have to be careful. i always make sure i distinguish between vaccine hesitancy and anti-vax. there are some people who have legitimate concerns and have fears about a disease that just sprang up in the last couple years. then there are people who say, not only is it my belief, but it should be everyone's belief. that's the thing that we should be concerned about. for aaron rodgers, this privilege he has -- first of all, the idea of him being canceled because he is still going to make $22 million a year, he is still going to be allowed to play football. he literally is sitting home because he might kill someone. that's the only thing that's preventing him from completing the rest of the season. i don't see how he has been canceled. if he was canceled, would he have lost the endorsements? criticism, they were because of a thing that he did. it wasn't like people made stuff up to vilify aaron rodgers. he did a thing and people reacted to it. somehow now that's become cancel culture, because the truth is, that there are other players in the nfl who aren't vaccinated and who came out and said, look, i am not going to be vaccinated. they didn't lie about it. there was a difference of opinion amongst the public and then it went away. lamar jackson from baltimore and kirk cousins in minnesota, they had the same views as aaron did. what they didn't do is lie about it, what they didn't do is try to have some homegrown cure and print out stuff on their ink jet printer and send it to doctors who know what they are talking about. the lies of aaron rodgers who are people are objecting to. that's something he did. >> you know, just -- we have one minute left. real quickly, both of you, when i see what's happening with aaron rodgers and marjory taylor green. is the train running off the tracks of civil society in the united states? real fast. tim and then michael. >> my answer really quick is, people are living in these bubbles. we need to -- people need to get out -- you start to sound like marjory taylor green and aaron rodgers and nobody challenges you. you sound like a complete idiot who doesn't understand what the facts are because you live in a world where that's what the media tells you and your friends are telling you. we need to break down those barriers. >> michael? >> the idea that the train is running off the track assumes the track was ever on the track. what we have seen is the thing that they have always been doing from the beginning. >> michael, you said a word. michael, tim, thank you very much for coming to the reid out. he lost his legs and an arm in combat. then devoted his life to public service. we remember an american hero, max cleland. we will be right back. the only detergent with oxiboost and febreze. ♪♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. hey hun hey, get your own vapors for future generations. relax with vicks vapobath or with vicks vaposhower. take a soothing vicks vapo moment wherever you chose. ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us wondering what actually goes into your multi-vitamin. at new chapter. now you know. its innovation organic ingredients and fermentation. fermentation? 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