president was talking to as people were breaking windows and climbing into the capitol. so read into that what you will. we're getting a better idea the sheer scope of that committee's work. 20 new subpoenas are about to be handed out, apparently. chairman benny thompson tonight offering few clues as to who they're going to call. >> who's in this next batch? like what kind of -- >> well, some of the people that have been written about, some of the people who haven't been written about, you know, we're just doing our body of work. >> among those expected to be served, as they say, and we've said this many times before, trump attorney general john eastman. he is the trump-friendly lawyer who argued vice president menace indeed had the authority to overturn 2020 presidential election and then blamed him for the attack on the capitol when he didn't. vice chair of the committee liz cheney confirms to nbc news the committee has interviewed already 150 people. not among them, however, is close trump ally steve bannon who the house found in contempt two weeks ago for defying the subpoena. it's now up to the attorney general merrick garland to decide what happens next, and so far he's not saying. also tonight, nbc news confirming a story first reported by "the washington post" that the manhattan d.a. has convened a second grand jury to investigate the trump organization. "the post" puts it this way, one person familiar with the matter said the second grand jury was expected to examine how former president donald trump's company valid its assets. the previous grand jury resulted in felony indictments against two trump companies and his longtime chief financial officer, allen weissleberg. more on the president's economic plan tonight. the president's been on the phone today with undecideds, but we've said that before. tonight there's word house members are planning to vote on both the infrastructure legislation and the financial bill tomorrow. democrats will likely have to go it alone on the so-called human infrastructure bill since there are still no republican votes for it. >> this bill, this socialist spending bill, they may vote on tonight is pouring gasoline on inflation. to any democrat who claims to be a moderate, if you vote for the socialist spending package tonight, you're going to get your ass beat and you deserve it. while the voting rights portion of biden's agenda remains completely stalled in congress, the justice department intervening to try to stop some of the worst and most severe voting restrictions in our country. in a lawsuit filed today, doj is arguing the new texas law is unconstitutional. saying it violates the voting and civil rights acts. we'll have more on that a bit later. and in the covid fight, the president making good on the vaccine mandates. he announced back in september. the administration today setting a january 4 deadline for private businesses to comply. that covers about 84 million americans. private employers with over 100 workers will need to make sure their employees are vaccinated or else be tested weekly. notably, employers are not required to foot the bill for those tests. we'll have more in our discussion on this later on in the broadcast. but with that, let's bring in our starting line on this thursday night. sam stein, veteran journalist, white house editor at politico. kimberly at kin store, previously both wbr and the boston he realized, now a member of "the boston globe" editorial board, and joyce vance, federal prosecutor. she and kimberly make up exactly half the team that host the podcast sisters in law. good evening and welcome to you all. 20 subpoenas going out from the 1/6 committee. who should be nervous tonight? >> you know, everybody should be nervous, brian, because one thing this committee has shown with the pace of its work is that they are going full steam ahead. they have fleshed out the committee staff. they have people who, for instance, are experienced with financial investigations. so some of the people that they've interviewed are probably people whose names we have heard, but others may well be people who were behind the scenes, people who understand, for instance, how money moved that funded bringing people to washington for these events. it's clear that the committee is no holds barred at this point. >> sam, this big house vote tomorrow, give us please for our viewers a preview and give us some real-world expectations. >> so we've been doing this road twice before where it looked like there was going to be a vote on the physical infrastructure bill only for the house to delay it. this one feels a bit different. they have been working lawmakers aggressively, not just for the physical infrastructure bill, but for the human infrastructure bill, the massive social and climate spending package they've put together. all indications from my sources up on the hill and those who are following it suggest that by tomorrow they should have the 218 votes they need for both those agenda items. what that means is that house clears it, it goes to the senate where they face -- the infrastructure bill is going to be passed, but the human infrastructure bill faces a very uncertain fate because a lot of the components that they had to add into this bill in order to get those 218 votes, things like paid medical leave, for instance, they are not going to get the 50 senate democratic votes in the senate. they may not survive the parliamentarian's decision that they can fly by reconciliation rule. it's a major step forward that's likely coming tomorrow, but it's not the end of the road. >> i feared you were going to say that. hey, kimberly, how damning must the documents be, over 700 pages of them, for donald trump to go to court to try to block the committee from seeing them and taking possession? >> well, clearly they're getting to what the committee is trying to find out, and that is one reason that donald trump is fighting it. also keep in mind it may not even have as much to do with the fact of what is in each actual document than the fact that donald trump really wants to delay this entire process. that is one thing that the judge sort of scolded the former president's side for seemingly trying to do to drag out this executive privilege argument, that at least the attorneys must know hold no water, but it seems clear, especially with the number the committee has investigated that this is going to be a fulsome, thorough kpfgs -- examination. >> joyce, back to the judge's comments. what meaning did you attach to her words when federal judges appointed for life speak? it's important we pay attention. and also, if i can, a second part. what do you make of the importance of a second new york grand jury? >> well, i think the judge was very clear when she spoke in this case indicating that ultimately there was a balancing test that had to happen in this case. you know, the issue, although it's an issue that's never been decided before with a former president and a current president, the point that was made by doj lawyers was that the issues were difficult, and the judge said she would act expeditiously. i think we'll hear a ruling from her shortly approving turnover of most if not all of these documents. the new york situation is interesting as well, brian, but i wouldn't read too much into it. grand juries in the state system in new york don't last follow longer terms that we're used to in the federal system, and it's a little bit quirkier when you try to extend those grand juries. you know, normally if you have a grand jury that's hearing an investigative case and their time expires, as a federal prosecutor, you extend their time. as a state prosecutor, the grand jury is involved in that decision, and they don't always want to continue to sit. so this looks like it's just a rather routine procedural mechanism where a new grand jury is being brought on board to continue the work of a pre-existing grand jury. >> sam stein, leave it to the "new york post," easily the story of the night is their headline, activists swarm manchin's maserati as he tries to leave parking garage. another story about the acting president, joe manchin, apparently walked from his motor yacht to the maserati staying on brand for a west virginia senator. is he just an immovable problem for the rest of the democratic party? >> hardly, hardly. he's moved. he's moved incrementally, but he's moved. remember, he had a line that he was not going to accept anything over $1.5 trillion. he's now $1.75 trillion. obviously it's nowhere close to where the party was, but it is a sign of movement. he has been open to adding certain provisions back into legislative language, but he's been very firm on not allowing things like paid leave in there. ultimately the people we talked to on the hill that i he is going to be there at the end, that a lot of this is theatrics, that this is the process manchin works by. i think the big miscalculation early on was that he would respond to threats, protesters like that, and the holding of hostage of the physical infrastructure bill by the house, that he would make an agreement on the human infrastructure bill. those who know joe manchin say that's now how he operates. he's not going to be pushed or bullied into diagnose something like that, and he takes pride in the idea that he is a negotiator of good faith. now, will he come through at the end? obviously people on the democratic side are nervous that ultimately he'll flip. but, look, tuesday happened. virginia, new jersey, could have him the way to say i need to drive it back. he just reiterated his position. a lot of democrats interpreted that as a positive sign of the build back better. >> it will be tough to get anything through the senate with members of the senate out of town on a richly deserved ten-day break. >> yeah. i wish i had the same vacation schedules that members of the senate do. they seem to be out for a good amount of time. this process, everyone wanted this process to be done end of august, end of september, end of october. it's not going to get done until, at the earliest, around thanksgiving. even that seems optimistic. the house is going to pass a bill. the senate's going to discard measures, change it in other ways, and then they got to merge those things and then ultimately we're looking at something closer to december. you could end up going into 2022, which is what joe manchin has always said he wants to do. >> kim, which would do more to lift up biden's fortunes and sagging poll numbers? both bills signed, sealed, delivered, law of the land, or doing something about gasoline prices, which they seem to have discovered this week? >> yeah, you know, i think these bills are so far overdue. these are things -- measures coming out of a pandemic that voters wanted. they wanted paid leave. they wanted economic health and economic help to get over this last slump in the economy. so i think passing the build back better voting rights is not on the table at the moment, which itn't srgs it's probably the most important thing in the short term. just for democrats to go back to their districts and say look at what we've done and break it down specifically for folks. i think right now we're seeing a lot of people just impatient. they're seeing inaction in congress and democrats are in charge, so democrats will be blamed for that. and i think that forward motion is something the president and all democrats need if they even have a shot given the political head winds blowing against them in 2022. >> joyce vance, as a former fed, even though we have a guest on from austin later in the broadcast, what is the chance that this doj effort against the texas voter suppression will have any effect in our lifetime as opposed to just getting bottled up in court? >> this doj case is an interesting one, brian. it's more of a targeted surgical strike than anything else. it uses remaining provisions. there aren't very many in the voting rights act, and then civil rights provisions to attack efforts by texas to curtail the rights of voters with disabilities. so, for instance, if you need help voting, if you need someone because you're sight impaired and you need someone to confirm your ballot is properly marked in the way that you think you've marked it, this law would purport to make that impossible. doj is challenging those sorts of changes to the law in texas, and they've done something else that's very interesting. there's also a lawsuit by private parties challenging these new texas rules, and the state of texas has come back and has said, you know, private parties, under the voting rights act, there's no private right ofa so your case should be dismissed. today doj filed a statement of interest in that case saying not so quick, texas, there is a private right of action, not only doj, but private parties have the ability to challenge these laws. that's essential. without that private party provision, when you have a justice department that's less inclined to challenge them. it's one that ultimately will bear fruit. >> still appreciative to you for taking our questions tonight. sam stein, kimberly atkins store, and joyce vance, our starting line with our thanks on a thursday night. coming up for us, with the dust now settling in the commonwealth of virginia, two of our very favorite political observers are here for a damage assessment for the democrats. and later, 84 million workers now face a deadline to either get vaccinate or get tested a lot. that's generating even more resistance from the right as anti-vaxxers get busy once again. luckily for us, we have a top doctor standing by. all of it as we are just getting under way on "the 11th hour" for a thursday night beneath the capitol dome. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ a thursday night beneath the a thursday night beneath the . following glenn youngkin's victory in vaerjs politico reports he tapped into the parents pandemic era frustrations in that statement now republicans want to use his playbook in 2022. quote, republicans say his frequent messaging on education, stoking parental worries about progressivism in the classroom while urging them to play a greater role in schools, helped him pull ahead while his democratic opponent, terry mcauliffe, stayed stuck in the past trying to tie youngkin to donald trump. they may have been too polite to say something else. mcauliffe poured gasoline all over himself when he said after that debate he didn't think parents should tell schools what they should teach. he said that, remember, during a pandemic that has turned all parents into teachers at home. well, back with us tonight, victoria difrancesco soto, university of texas, austin, hook 'em horns. and former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain, apparently a ut fan as well as on show time. welcome to to you both. mark, let's start on youngkin. what percentage of youngkin's win was a well-run youngkin campaign, and what percentage was because of the either entitlement of the mcauliffe campaign, the unenforced errors of the mcauliffe campaign that granted youngkin and his team jumped on? >> listen, in order to win in a state that went ten points for joe biden, it had to be a combination of everything. start with a great candidate, add a great team. it's one of the best-run campaigns i've ever seen. super focused on a message that was hyper-local, and also blessed by the opposition. i mean, that remark by mcauliffe reminded me of john kerry in 2004 when he said i voted for it before i voted against it. he said it about himself. i was just thinking about the numbers. vickie, you may have the exact numbers, but i think about bush -- we were trying to expand the tent and we talk about wanting to get at least 40% of hispanic vote in 2000. i think that youngkin got more than 50% of hispanic voters in virginia. somebody may have to double check me on that, but he got a lot. >> professor, that certainly has been the trend line with republican success, making inroads among hispanic voters. that's point one. point two, do you think what happened in virginia is a portable skill that they can move on and put on the road in 2020? or was it a one-off? >> what we saw with youngkin and latino voters -- let me just put this out there. the data is a little spotty because of the sample sizes. but what we're seeing is that about a third of the latino vote in virginia went for youngkin, which is about what trump got nationally. so there's not too much there. but the thing that really caught my attention -- mark, this is what y'all did with george w. bush in his campaign, was really highlighting the american dream piece of it. this also goes back to reagan, in that you weren't demonizing latinos. you were saying, hey, i am one of you, and i want your economic security and i also want your general security. we saw that crime component as well. one of the ads that youngkin did in spanish was highlighting him as a businessman but he started out washing dishes in virginia beach. that narrative is so, so powerful, and if the gop as we go into 2020 into 2024 reverts back to that model that reagan started and then george w. bush really amplified, then there is very much a path forward for republicans. but it but the question is, once we have a national campaign, once trump becomes more of a central presence, what is going to happen? but the youngkin model i definitely think is a winner in terms of that moderate latino outreach. >> marks as a friend of mine in the politics business said just today, if the democrats either learn or remember how to talk to americans, they could actually be dangerous. and on that topic, i want to play for you some comments on pbs made by our mutual friend, mr. carvel that got attention today. >> it's just stupid wokeness. don't just look at virginia and? >> no, look at long island, buffalo, minneapolis, even look at seattle, washington. this defund the police lunacy, take abraham lincoln's name off the schools, some of these people need to go to a woke detox center or something. there's a backlash and a frustration at that. >> i see you, judy wood rough trying not to laugh. mark, do you agree with mr. car very well? >> i did my first campaign with james and he's still the smartest guy in politics. he always has a pretty good thumb on mainstream america. that's why democrats listened to him in the primary when bernie was running away with it and he sort of put up the flare to get on the biden train and had a big impact and helped elect bill clinton. talk about bills in congress right now. if you asked 9 out of 10 americans don't know a damn thing about what's in these bills. they might be able to tell you the price tag, they know the democrats are fighting about it, but they don't know what the hell it is. get out there and start talking about the meat and potatoes people care about. >> indeed, that's why we aired two minutes of congressman tim ryan of ohio telling americans what could be coming their way to make their lives better at the end of last night's broadcast. luckily for us, both victoria and mark have agreed to stay with us. we'll take a break. when we come back, what to expect tomorrow as the house finally nears these mythic votes on the president's mythic spending plans. luckily for us, both victoria luckily for us, both victoria we were alone when my husband had the heart attack. he's the most important thing in my life. i'm so lucky to get him back. your heart isn't just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. before you begin an aspirin regimen. it's beautiful out here. it sure is. and i earn 5% cash back on travel purchased through chase with chase freedom unlimited. that means that i earn 5% on our rental car, i earn 5% on our cabin. i mean, c'mon! hello cashback! hello, kevin hart! i'm scared. in a good way. i'm lying. let's get inside. earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. it was a split decision on skpraerj new jersey. we're taking it seriously and we have things to learn. but there's no predicting what's going to happen in 2022 until we put this full plan in place, we create millions of jobs, grow this economy, and the pandemic and make sure people know what we're doing. >> how would you like to have that guy's job recruiting candidates for 335 house races for the democrats? as we reported, the house is expected to vote tomorrow on the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the larger $1.75 trillion spending plan. still with us, thankfully, professor victoria difrancesco soto and mark mckinnon. this is work of our mutual friend, eugene robinson. he writes this, while go big or go home may be a cliche, it is advice biden and the democrats should heed. once democrats pass biden's big bills, they should sell them to voters, trumpeting what's in the legislation rather than lamenting what had to be left out. and they should rediscover their lost genius for bumper-sticker shorthand. new deal and great society are masterpieces of the genre. build back better, not so much. professor, considering you work at a campus, the kind of beating hard of which is the seat of the great society, the monument to linden b. johnson of texas, do you agree with eugene's sentiment there? >> i absolutely agree. this goes back to a course i've taught in the past, which is political marketing. at the end of the day, we know some of the most powerful policy has been powerful because it got passed. it was packaged correctly. and you can have the smartest folks putting together the best packages, but if the politics doesn't work out, nothing is going to happen. and so this is the meat that eugene is talking about. but beyond that, i so agree with the point of owning it. and we saw the obama administration when obamacare came out, struggling with whether to own it, what to name it. but once something is passed and people's lives are improved for the better, own it. we know that once policy is passed, people are going to like the benefits that they get. that's why you fight so hard not to have policy change because you know once it happens, it's sticky. we heard sam stein talking about this. once it is passed, run with it, and absolutely go big. >> mark, indeed, just to the professor's point on branding phraseology. the republicans in many cases -- loathes be honest -- with help from guys like frank luntz who have figured out using a combination of polling, focus groups, and marketing skill what to name things. who's going to hate no child left behind? you might as well hate puppies. i think it was a texan, dick army, who was the first one to start calling democratic things democrat, because it was sharper, it was more pejorative, and that's now been in the language for years. just today kevin mccarthy announces the parents bill of rights. that sounds fantastic, until you read it. so mark, what's your advice on the democrats to get out there like the fuller brush guy and sell what they've got? >> well, brian, i talked to sean patrick malone who was in that clip, the chair of the democratic campaign committee. and he said we got them right where we want them. i talked to sheryl bustos, and she says acronyms -- you can't speak any acronyms in her office. you get thrown out of the office if anybody mentions an acronym. so you got people in congress talking about the bif and the bvb. so, you know, that's a big problem. so kill the acronyms, get out there and talk about what these programs actually are. there's a ton of popular stuff that's going to be out there and a lot for democrats to campaign on, although i feel the narrative has been watered down through this process. they could have taken a big "w" right after the senate vote. it was 69 votes. they should've had a vote right then. but the talk about the transformative fdr, lbj-era kind of stuff is in the rear view mirror now, and i think it's going to take some really focused messaging around the components of the things that are in the bill, which are actually popular. but i think sean patrick malone is a super smart guy, i don't think he's -- i think he knows what kind of a job he has ahead and he's got to pick one. >> somewhere in washington said you mean we shouldn't pass it as part of reconciliation? 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>> well, brian, you know, good evening, first of all. to quote dr. anthony fauci, this is going to work, as we've seen this playbook work already for tyson foods, united airlines. this specific rule by osha is going to create friction for employers. a lot of small, medium-sized employers with at least 100 employees can't afford to put up testing. they're going to want cover the the cost of testing so they don't lose their workforce, so little friction is going to be key here. also, i've been speaking to many organizations across industries. now they're going to have to mandate verification. we'll get a true sense of the delta, how many people haven't gotten vaccinated. coming from san bernardino, yesterday i was speaking to workers in the moreno valley, many of whom are first responders who are likely stoudge a mandate shortly. even though they know that's coming down the pike, brian, in terms of wanted to have a discussion. they might wanted to engage and have questions. we need to not lose site on the long-term goal, which is rebuilding trust, so parallel education and engagement, still really key. >> okay. doc, stay where you are. let me slip in a break here. we'll continue our conversation coming up. we'll talk about doctor's prediction on when we might finally be able to consider this pandemic over. we'll talk about prediction on when we might finally be able to consider this pandemic over. we might finally be able to consider this pandemic over. hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [oof] i'll also be needing, stain remover, club soda and a roll of paper towels. 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>> brian, for all your viewers, if i could have your team put up that slide of what we can expect through february of 2022, we're still expecting -- this is what university of washington is putting up, your viewers will see -- potentially on the level of 1,500 daily deaths to pick up december into february. that means 10,000 weekly deaths week over week well into cold and flu season. i was just talking to my colleagues at the university of colorado school of medicine literally a few hours ago, and one of the questions was, why is colorado experiencing this? they have 72% one-dose vaccine uptake rate, 66% of coloradans are fully vaccinated. well, brian, it turns out in the era of this contagious delta variant, we need that number to be higher. there is a little room for error. even if you have 20% of your 18 and over population unvaccinated, that's enough to swamp hospitals. never mind the threat of flu, never mind the threat of kids flu, rsv. there's a lot of threats out there over the next four to five months. i suspect light at the end of the until in february 2022, but that's where we are now sadly. >> wow. this merck antiviral, i think i speak for a lot of us when we heard there was going to be a pill for covid, hopes soared. i know the u.k. has just approved it. but then you hear things like it's $600 or $700 a throw, and it's a treatment, not a prevention. am i getting anything wrong here? >> you're exactly right. let me remind everybody, these vaccines we're lucky to have over 95% effective keeping you out of the hospital. this merck pill, 50% effective for those terrific to keep you out of the hospital once you're diagnosed with covid. it's all to say this is a great piece of news here, but i don't love the fact that 80% of supply right now is in the u.s., u.k., south korea, australia, places that have wonderful vaccines. for this pill to really change the game here, we need to distribute it, make sure it's licensed in countries, lower middle income countries. we need to make sure they have access to it. part and parcel of that, early diagnosis is key, making sure everyone has access to rapid testing, making sure patients are literate on this medication. also with the monoclonal antibody situation people didn't know it existed. >> vaccines for kids, what so many parents have been waiting for became a reality this week. but i have to say, we've seen a record number of anti-vax adults, a good number of them are parents. and i am guessing -- if memory serves, you have young ones at home. i'm guessing this is now a foot race on kind of within the child population its own kind of herd community. >> absolutely. and i think we should be very, very open-eyed about the challenge in front of us that parents are going to need to have their process with their pediatrician. pediatricians need to lead on safety, but this pfizer vaccine, no evidence of myocarditis of that reduced dose, extremely effective, 91% effective at preventing a positive test amongst children. turns out, brian, we've had between august 1st and september 15th 60,000 pediatric hospitalizations for covid. brian, do you know how many pediatric hospitalizations occurred for flu in a given flu season? 20,000. these are the types of facts we need to present for parents, clearly, concisely, so that we can move fast narrative that these vaccines are somehow harmful to younger people. >> well, it turns out i had way more questions for you than i thought, and turns out you had all the answers and we'll take your advice on that last point and we'll keep showing that graphic too of the kind of winter we might be in for. doctor, thank you, as always. our guest tonight, dr. vin gupta taking our questions on this virus. another break for us. coming up, common sense direct from the kitchen. that they probably should listen to under that dome. we'll explain when we come back. ♪♪ someday you'll be better than your grandpa. - you try it. - i don't know what to draw? it doesn't matter what. just... a line. throw yourself in. ♪♪ don't be frustrated! okay. ♪♪ show me what you got there. ♪♪ wow... absolutely beautiful. when i break a long run i'm talking long long. that's why i use old spice triple protection sweat defense. old spice works harder for longer. hey derrick man, you gonna be much longer? 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is democracy in crisis? you better [ bleep ] believe it. was this a good sign for democracy? absolutely not. but as any 12-step program will tell you, the first step to solving the problem is admitting you have a problem. it doesn't matter how great your ideas are if no one understands them. it doesn't matter if you do great stuff if no one knows you're doing it. people do not function and make decisions around policy points. they make them based on how they feel. these people are fighting for me. these people get it. these people don't. these people are getting stuff done. these guys are [ bleep ] around. if it's true or not is irrelevant. we got smoked in messaging. the choice was between truth and lies, and we lost. we lost to lies. the same thing happened in 2016. hillary's emails, benghazi, lock her up, build the wall, they sucked all the air out of the room. democrats were always on defense and you cannot win that way. we need to take our messaging and start from scratch. people need to know what we stand for and they know to know it in six words or less. we need to repeat it down to the smallest county clerk and we need to say it the exactly right way. the other side is a propaganda machine. they lie without consequence, are masters of spin, and stand as a unit front. the mainstream media works for prochlt whatever gets the eyeballs on the screen wins the day. that's how we got donald trump t. only way to stop the december semination of lies is to have a countermessage that ear worms its way into the american psyche. fear is built on confusion. we counter hate with understanding, the same way we will counter apathy. we need to sell what it is we stand for and sell it in a way people will hear. it's not our party that's on the line, it's democracy, and that is a race we can't afford to lose. >> so are you getting the emerging theme here? the woman in california, lee mcgowan who calls herself politics girl, with the kind of messaging a lot of democrats might love to hear from the party chair, speaker, majority leader, perhaps the president himself. that is our broadcast this thursday evening. thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. colleagues at the network of nbc news, goodnight. >> it's great to have you here, there's lots going on tonight. you will recall exactly this time last night, this time on last night show, nbc news had just called the very closely fought new jersey governor's race. virginia and new jersey are the only two states to holder governors races in a year like this. the odd numbered year right after a presidential election. they're the only two states that do, it they do it every four years. all the way back to the 19 eighties, every newly elected president, his first year in office, has

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