hometown of scranton, pennsylvania, to sell his build back better agenda. his trip comes as more democrats strike a more optimistic tone they're near the finish line and the weeks of intense negotiations on the massive spending bill could be coming to a conclusion. we'll talk to one lawmaker who was in the room for talks with the president. good afternoon from washington. i'm garret haake in for hallie jackson. and we start with that breaking news on the search for brian laundrie. nbc's dasha burns is with us and also clint watts. for people who haven't been following this story closely if the last week or so, catch us up. and what are we learning now? >> garret, it is now week five in the search for brian laundrie, and up until today there had really been seemingly no trace. the fbi had been fielding calls from all over the country with possible sightings of brian lun-degree, but none of those had been confirmed. well, today is the first concrete development in this search. here is what we know so far. just moments ago the fbi put out a statement with an update from their end of the investigation. they said that items of interest were located at the carlton reserve this morning in connection with the search for brian laundrie. an fbi evidence response team is processing the scene. the reserve is close to the public and no further details are available at this time. we know the carlton reserve is where brian laundrie's parents say he went for a hike before he disappeared. that has been the area that's been really the focus of the investigation. that park had been closed for about a month. it reopened yesterday, but now this morning it's closed again as last night the fbi and the north port police department connected with brian laundrie's parents, chris and roberta, they told them they were going this morning to once again look for their son. the fbi and local police joined them. and we know that today they did find items that belong to brian laundrie. that's according to the laundrie family attorney. we also know from the senior law enforcement official that what appears to be partial human remains have also been found in that area alongside a backpack that is consistent they say with items that would belong to brian laundrie. but as you mentioned earlier there, garret, still no confirmation on who those human remains may or may not belong to. we know that that area, it's been a difficult search because the water level said there have been particularly high. those levels have been receding in the last couple of weeks revealing more areas for law enforcement officials to search. and so that might be why we're just now learning about this, why law enforcement officials are just now finding some of these items and some of these remains because the environment there has changed. and garret, you know, it has been such a long time in this search, five weeks now. and i've been talking to experts about how it's possible that someone could evade law enforcement for this long. and a former fbi agent told me that there are only a few scenarios here for a person to be off the radar for this amount of time. one is this is a person who has a lot of preparation and knowledge of law enforcement tactics. two, the person is getting help from someone to evade law enforcement. and the third option being that the person is deceased, and those remains simply have not been found. and this expert told me in her opinion it's likely that scenarios two and three are the most likely outcome because brian has not had a lot of experience or a record with law enforcement as far as we know. and what we're learning today, these developments may give us that final -- final outcome here, garret. >> so, clint, you just heard it from dasha today where the fbi has this evidence response team processing the scene. we know it's a wet, swampy, difficult area. walk us through what would happen in a search like this, how the fbi is going to handle what comes next. >> so they're going to look at two different things really and they'll have to try and connect them together. one is the evidence in and around the area. this search has been going on for a while, so this is one of the first clues that could potentially help them vector in on what is the answer to figure out is this the remains or is this person still alive and where are they in this area? what you saw there they're probably trying to cordon off that area zone to continue on with the search. they'll look for more clues out there. at the same time, if they have found human remains they'll try to identify them. often human remains are found out in rural areas and parks and they're not connected to cases. i think that's happened several times in recent weeks. i personally while in the military came across human remain said in a park. so in that sort of a scenario they want to get strong conifer magds. and they'll keep expanding this perimeter. they go to the site and location on initial evidence and try to build upon that lead. and they'll be very, very cautious in terms of taking it slow, making sure they cover all the bases and cover all the ground there, very, very fine search to make sure they find anything else that might be connected to that case. >> y50i78 glad you made that point about the remains. i can't tell you how many missing persons cases i covered particularly a person might find they think are human remains and they're not even human remains at the end of the day. what's the time frame we're looking at here for a search of this immediate area or some kind of confirmation about these remains especially given how long laundrie has been missing? >> i would imagine it's several hours if not a day or more because they'll want to get absolute confirmation. they won't want to make a mistake. and obviously do next of kin notifications, talk to the family. so they're going to take their time they get this exactly right. they know this is a nationwide case and everybody's watching what's going on. they're going to want to get it exactly right. >> as they should. don't go far. i imagine we could hear more from you if there's more news on that subject. but turning now to our other breaking news story. we want to bring you a live look at the senate floor where the senate right now is taking a procedural vote on what would mean voting rights legislation including establishment of election day as a public holiday day along with a two week holiday and voting standards by mail. so we have no expectation of seeing any republican support on this bill despite the best efforts of joe manchin in this case who was the one trying to whip them, is that right? >> that is exactly right, garret. there's been no indication there will be a single republican with them on this bill. just an hour or so ago i caught up with lisa murkowski. she's been the republican senator most willing to engage with democrats on the issue of voting rightsch she's a cosponsor of the john lewis voting rights act that tackles a different element of the issue of voting rights. but she told me she was a no on this bill. she will be voting with the rest of her party to filibuster. the reason as stated by mitch mckanl, they party does not believe there's a role for the federal government in elections. they say leave it up to the states. in the last few months president biden put up a statement. he talked about how this bill is necessary to protect the sacred constitutional right to vote, which he says is under unrelenting assault by proponents of the big lie and republican governor, secretaries of state and state legislatures across the nation. one word not used is the f-word, and i'm talking of course about the filibuster. this is going to break 50. 50. >> sahil, the president there saying the very soul of democracy is at stake with this legislation. and on this issue what then is the backup plan if the filibuster remains? >> you know, i've not heard enough to suggest there is a backup plan, garret. there's a hope. and the hope goes like this. they finally have all 50 senators onboard with the voting rights legislation. they tried that with the for the people act. they have him on this bill. made some concessions, allowed things like voter i.d. the whole strategy to the extent there could be one involves convincing those two senators, manchin and sinema, that this voting rights bill is more important than the preservation of the filibuster. and activists continue to say there's hope for that. they say this is one step in the process. i spoke to senator rafael warnock who's a leader in his party on this issue. then i asked him about the filibuster and he said it's got to go. so that's where we are right now. they don't have a viable plan yet to definitively get around that 60-vote threshold. >> and they're running out of time. one of the things this would do is change the way we do redistricting, banning partisan gerrymandering. there's a lot of redistricting as we speak. thank you. we're staying close to washington at this hour with president biden at any minute headed to his hometown of scranton, pennsylvania, for the first time since taking office. he'll be there to make his case for a multi-trillion dollar agenda. where those talks stand at this hour coming up. why kids as young as 5 may be soon able to get vaccinated at school. to get vaccinated at school. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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>> the white house saying it is confident that within days of the expected approval of that if he isser vaccine ages 5 to 11 it'll not only have the doses necessary but the infrastructure to administer it. you're looking at it right behind me. it's children's hospitals all across the country that will serve as sort of an organizational hub. they can embed the clinics in the children's hospitals but also coordinate with pediatricians across the country as well as faith based organizations, community organizations. it may look different, garret, in different parts of the country, different regions. but at the heart of it is to still confidence among parents in the vaccine. because looking at the data there are hopeful signs showing for instance two thirds of parents do want to ultimately get their children vaccinated. but just one third according to kaiser family foundation want to do it right away. that's potentially problematic with the holidays bumping up against that expected authorization time frame which would be about early november, garret. >> and it's pretty clear they're trying to draft off the confidence most parents have in their own kids doctors, their own pediatrician. what are you hearing from medical doctors about this plan? >> reporter: frankly, they're relieved. it's what health officials have been asking for, states have been asking for. in even in the south i spoke with the director of the arkansas children's hospital, and she said, look, we might have more challenge here because the parents just in general are questioning the vaccine. however, the earlier we get started on this, the better. take a listen to one of the pediatricians who i talked to. >> there's a group of people that want to have that one-on-one conversation with a trusted medical provider, family members to hear about the experience, see more people getting it and feel more comfortable with time, there's a lot of evidence even just having that conversation even if you have to do it over and over can really help people make a decision that's safe for their family. >> so, garret, she also said the younger the child there tends to be more of a conversation necessary between doctor and parent. she says she's hopeful. but this is really the first time we've seen this level of coordination between the federal government, health systems, pediatricians and also local grassroots groups she's frankly very enthusiastic about. >> let's bring in dr. jha here now. doc, same basic question to you. you hear all the time about the peoples trust or lack thereof in the doctors of fauci and the politicians who talk to them about vaccines. but people trust their own doctors and they trust their kids pediatricians. how important will those individual doctors, those local connections be in getting these new shots into the arms of the youngest potential patients here? >> yeah, i think it's going to be enormously important. i think what i say to folks is they should not listen to politicians. they should listen to their own pediatrician, and they should listen to our nation's pediatricians, the american academy of pediatrics which i think has been a fabulous leader in terms of the pandemic trying to protect kids. there's no question in my mind kids 5 to 11 should be getting vaccinated. i have a 9-year-old i don't know he's excited about getting a needle but he's excited about getting vaccinate. and he will. and the bottom line is people need to have that conversation with a pediatrician, go to a trusted source and make a good decision for their family. >> people are starting to make their holiday plans, taking requests in. i know it's preliminary until when this all starts to rollout, but what are you seeing in terms of the upcoming holiday? are we going to have multigenerational gatherings, kids, grandparents with covid concerns? >> i plan to do that over christmas holiday, visit with elderly grand pashts and all of it made much, much safer because our youngest is now able to be vaccinated and that will add a layer of protection for him as well. look, this is not going to be like last holiday season. it's going to be much safer, much better driven in large part by vaccines. >> heidi laid out the degree which this plan involves state and local officials, too, as we've talked about other times in other contexts. there's no shortage of governors who have put roadblocks between children and other covid safety measures. what level of state participation of governors supporting this do you think is necessary to get the kind of vaccine adoption we all really need to move to the next phase of this pandemic? >> that's a fabulous question. you know, my hope is that vaccines for kids is not politicized by governors and really left up to individual parents to make with their pediatrician, with other trusted voices. at the end of the day the federal government can only do so much. states have a very, very important role to play. even if a governor may be personally himself or herself skeptical, the truth is they should really let people make decisions and enable parents to make the kind of decisions important for their children. >> thank you both. and up next we're going inside the negotiations between president biden and democratic lawmakers. congressman richie torres, a house progressive, joins us after the break. house progressive, joins us after the break. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ at humana we believe your healthcare should evolve with you and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you are covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan can cover your deductibles and coinsurance but you may pay higher premiums and still not get prescription drug coverage. but with an all-in-one humana medicare advantage plan you could get all that coverage plus part d prescription drug benefits. you get all this coverage for as low as a zero-dollar monthly plan premium in many areas. humana has a large network of doctors and hospitals. and telehealth coverage with a zero-dollar copay. so call or go online today and get your free decision guide. discover how an all-in-one humana medicare advantage plan could save you money. humana, a more human way to healthcare. life before cerebral was, was pretty taxing. i was diagnosed with depression and anxiety. and, uh, i found cerebral. cerebral is an app that combines medication management and behavioral care, all in one nice package. i signed up. i got the video call. i got the pills shipped to me. normal therapy costs about 3 times as much as cerebral. getting this type of care online, it really is a lifesaver. join today for just $30 at getcerebral.com. president biden is on his way to his hometown of scranton, pa. after weeks of talks democrats say real progress is now being made even though some of their most popular priorities might be getting the ax. let's start with the price tag. sources are telling us it's now in the range of $1.75 trillion to $1.9 trillion compared to the original ask of $3.5 trillion. and that means some things will have to go including free community college. child tax credit may also be extended for another year. paid family leave could be reduced from 12 weeks down to 4. and climate proposals they will almost certainly be pared back, too. i'm also joined by ana palmer, punch bowl news co-founder and msnbc contributor. christian, president biden has been working hard behind the scenes. >> you're absolutely right. president biden who left just moments ago joined by senator casey is taking his sales pitch on the road. she's going to use that simp balk backdrop as way to make his case this spending plan will help working class americans. he's also going to argue a lot of these policy proposals are part of his core born in scranton, pennsylvania, with him. but here's the challenge, everything you just laid out, the fact a lot of this has been scaled back. it's nearly been cut in half. the falkt it does not include tuition-free community college, something president biden has been talking about since he was on it campaign trail and something that also has republican support, the fact that the child tax credit is going to be scaled back. and that's something, by the way, that democrats today are coming out pushing back against. so not clear he's going to get the support he needs for that to actually make it into the final package. and then of course those climate proposals, a lot of murky discussions around what exactly is going to be included in something that has been a key part of the biden agenda since he was a candidate on the campaign trail. still, this is one of the tools presidents have in their toolbox to go out on the road and sell their policy proposals to the american people. he's going to be in scranton, pennsylvania, today. he's going to be in baltimore for a town hall on thursday where he will continue to make his case, garret. >> as we're watching marine 1 arrive at joint base andrews and sending our hopes the pool reporters might be able to lure the president to the microphones on his way up the staircase there, you and i have been sounding a lot more optimistic in this progress. what can you tell us about the feeling on capitol hill about the direction this whole effort is moving? >> over the past few weeks there was just this tension and dread and frustration among democrats that i'm not really sensing anymore. people seem more optimistic. the mood is a lot more upbeat. and also in their beating with president biden yesterday separately progressives and moderates, members in that meeting tell me the president also had a different tone. instead of also speaking in platitudes he actually talked about the details of the legislation, and they thought that was progress. and in a closed door meeting lunch yesterday with senate democrats members emerged from that meeting also expressing this newfound optimism and willingness to get something done. let's listen to a mash up of the majority leader in the senate, house representative in leadership and also the white house and we'll talk on the other side. >> we're getting closer to an agreement. we want to finalize a deal by the end of this week, but we all must keep moving together. >> we're just working to arrive at the consensus that is clearly moving in an incredibly positive direction. >> we want to vote as soon as possible, and i think that could be in the next couple of weeks. it could be sooner. >> reporter: and they are at least hoping to get some sort of framework agreed to in the next week or two. but there's still some challenges that exist. in addition to what they want to spend the money on that they still have to nail down how to pay for this legislation. it seems like it's going to be very challenging to figure out especially with senator kyrsten sinema who has been been enthusiastic about raising taxes including on the wealthy and on corporations. >> not figuring how to pay for the $2 trillion bill you promised to pay for does seem like a problem. so, ana, how much of this is real progress and how much of this is democrats who are at this point kind of desperate to show they are getting something done and they are moving closer to their goal? >> it's probably a little bit of both, right? i do think heading into this week a lot of us were pretty bearish about the possibilities of getting some kind of deal done in the next 10, 15 days. when people feel like they're being heard, all of a sudden people can come together as we know very quickly. the question is going to be can they actually come to a deal on those top line numbers by the end of the month? october 30th is what president joe biden laid out. as everyone has said here, there's so many things in flux. how to pay for it, what gets cut, how do you keep people happy enough they choose to vote for it? and what about those moderates. we talk so much about the progressives, but there are going to be a lot of moderates concerned about what's happening with the salt caps and other proposals that could also be a real sticking point here. >> kristen welker, how important then is joe biden being the one who holds this group together? he's someone who ran as a moderate. i think a lot of progressives have been surprised how much they like the way he's handled policy issues so far. does he have to be if not the closer on this at least the glue to keep everyone together while they finish these socks. >> we asked progressives yesterday and they said in fact he is the closer here. >> kristen, we may be able to hear the president here. let's listen. >> i'm hopeful. i think we'll get a good deal. >> are you concerned about hypersonic missiles? >> yes. >> all right, the president wasting few words there asked about the progress on this deal, sounding optimistic as we've heard and asked about concern about chinese hypersonic missiles saying only yes. that is a full segment for another time, but, kristen it goes right back to what we were talking about here, the president as the glue guy on this deal. >> that's right. and from the perspective of key negotiators he is critical to this closing process. look, democratic leadership had set that october 31st deadline to try to vote on both pieces of legislation, both the reconciliation package that involves this human infrastructure that we're talking about, things like the child tax credit, things like paid leave. but also that infrastructure bill that has already passed the senate and they now want it to pass through the house, and of course progressives demanding that the two be linked. so democratic leadership wants to get both done before the end of the month. the white house has been a little swishy on whether or not they're actually going to be able to meet that deadline. but the thinking inside the party is that the president is going to be critical to getting any final agreement between these feuding sides, garret. >> all right, we're going to press pause on this conversation and listen to chuck schumer on the senate floor. >> our former president could not accept defeat with grace. he refused to show fidelity to the democratic process. instead he told a big lie. a big lie that has now poisoned -- poisoned the roots of our democracy. capitalizing on this malicious lie, his acolytes in conservative controlled legislatures are now passing laws across the country making it harder for younger, poorer, urban and non-white americans to participate in our elections. the laws are a direct attack on our fundamental liberties as american citizens. if there's anything, anything worthy of the senate's attention it's unquestionably this. and yet given the chance to respond to an obvious problem, given the chance to merely debate these latest threats against the franchise senate republicans voted unanimously -- unanimously to block any opportunity for action. let there be no mistake. senate republicans blocking debate today is an implicit endorsement of the horrid new voter suppression and election subversion laws pushed in conservative states across the country. republicans in this body are permitting states to criminalize giving food and water to voters at the polls. republicans are saying it's okay to limit polling places and voting hours and shut the door to more expansive vote by mail. i mean, my god, why aren't all of my colleagues outraged by these laws? frankly, we haven't heard a clear explanation from republicans at all because they refused for this chamber to even hold a debate. it's ludicrous -- ludicrous for them to simply state that the federal government has no role to play here. they should read the constitution, the constitution of these united states of america. it precisely empowers congress to regulate the, quote, times, places and manners, unquote, of holding elections. that congress, us, sometimes the federal government has been the only recourse when states conspired to shut voters out. madam president, the fight to protect our democracy is far from over in the united states senate. senate democrats have made clear that voting rights is not like other issues we deal with in this chamber. this isn't about regular old politics. it's not even just about regular policy. it's about protecting the very soul of this nation. about preserving our identity. >> all right, we've been listening to chuck schumer on the senate floor as he follows what was a vote that we all expected to see. all 50 republicans voting against that voting rights package that the senate was hoping to move just to start debate on today. schumer himself for those of you who may be looking at the vote total also ended up voting against that package. that's a procedural technique. that lets him bring it up again quickly if and when he so chooses. we'll keep listening to schumer in the control room to see if he gives us anymore guidance on steps forward in that legislation. in the meantime i want to bring in richie torres, a member of the progressive caucus. you were in this meeting with president biden yesterday, the meeting with progressives. we've obviously been talking about this more optimistic tone from party leaders about the state of negotiations here. how would you characterize the attitude of your fellow progressives and how close you might be in getting something like a deal. >> well, the progressive caucus is enormously grateful to president biden who's emerged as the most progressive president in the history of the united states. he's a man on a mission and intent on passing not one but two and the purpose of the meeting was to impress upon members of congress a sense of urgency on landing these claims as swiftly and as smoothly as we can. >> congressman, every progressive member i've spoken to over the last couple of weeks has told me how frustrated they are they didn't really know who or what you were negotiating against. you didn't know what kyrsten sinema or manchin wanted in this bill if anything. after the meeting at the white house and the discussions that went on this week, are you confident you know what the folks negotiating on the other side of the table actually want? >> yes and no. i mean, we have much greater clarity from senator manchin about where he stands, less so from senator sinema. for me the two most important values in negotiation are clarity and communication. how could we possibly trust you're negotiating in good faith? i would certainly welcome more clarity from senator sinema. >> did anybody in your group raise that with president biden? sinema's response like when folks like me raise this is she's communicating with the white house. >> look, it's important to communicate with everyone. the more everyone is in the loop the better. but, you know, the president is optimistic about the passage of these two bills. he recognizes that failure is not an option, these two bills are too critical to the future of the country to fail. >> we mentioned this at the top of the segment, but i want to get your reaction to some of the changes that appear to be in the works for this bill. the overall price tag is definitely influx. it's somewhere around 3.5, maybe around $2 trillion. sounds like free community college is out, the child tax credits will probably be extended for another year. and paid family leave and environmental programs also seem like they're in real flux. are you if not supportive of these changes, will you accept them as necessary if that's what it takes to get this bill across the finish line? >> look, i have a rule of never negotiating in public, but i do have concerns about two pieces in particular. extending child tax credit for one year. in my view a one year extension of the child tax credit would be almost certainly left to expire. >> do you really think so, congressman? because that feels like one of those things to me is a program that is so popular. you could almost dare republicans to kill a program like that. get that money out and say you're really going to kill a program that's dedicated to ending child poverty? >> again, we have a republican party to derail a peaceful transfer of party, willing to sabotage the full faith and credit in the united states. there's no doubt in my mind republicans would deny a critical safety net to poor people. >> fair enough, fair enough. so that program -- what about the environmental programs? a lot of the progressives i talk to are really frustrated that some of the more aggressive environmental and climate provisions seem to be falling by the wayside here. are you guys actively working to come up with other ways to address that issue in this bill if the clean power plan, a carbon tax can't get past the manchin buster? >> well, i can assure you that climate remains among the highest priorities for the president. and i suspect climate will receive a disproportionate share of funding in the final draft. i am concerned about the removal of the clean energy performance program. in my view there is no path to clean energy without clean electricity and incentives -- i'm sorry -- mandates are much more effective than incentives. i'm concerned about the loss of that critical provision. but the final draft is going to include historic investments that will bring us closer to combating catastrophic climate change. >> congressman, i appreciate your time and expertise on this issue. thank you very much. i want to listen now to vice president harris -- i think we're about to lose her -- talking about this vote. >> your party is very divided on what the hope of this bill should be. >> so i don't have an exact time frame, but i will tell you i think all of us agree we need to get this done and we're working out the details. yesterday the president and i had productive meetings with both the house and senate side. but the details have to be worked out. >> there from the vice president -- brief comments there from the vice president on the reconciliation bill, talking about details need to get worked out and talking about the candid conversations that are happening at the white house and capitol hill. that's an important step. also before we could get you to her remarks she said today was a sad day referring to her defeat of the voting rights bill in the senate but that they will not give up the fight. we'll have much more on that story in the days and weeks to come. coming up next on this broadcast, a live report from haiti with the desperate rescue 17 missionaries now in its fourth day. stay with us. missionaries now s fourth day stay with us sarah, you don't need to download games. your game is watching british people bake. esther just wants to live stream leg day. push! are we almost done? 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>> reporter: it's extremely tense. this is a country living in fear not specifically because of this kidnapping, but this is something that has been increasing more and more over the last seven months, a 300% rise in kidnappings according to one estimate since july, that is of course when the president of this country was assassinated. the arrest was intensified after the earthquake a short time later. now, today coming into port-au-prince this is a sitta by some estimates as much as half of it is controlled by gangs. they've setup checkpoints across some parts of the city so it is difficult, dangerous to get around. we one haitian who was returning from the u.s. about how heart breaking it was for her to see what's happening to her country. take a listen to our conversation. have you ever seen the violence at this level? >> no. we haven't seen violence a this level new york. we haven't seen -- it's terror. it's pure terror, to live here. but it is our country. >> he when heard 17 missionaries had been abducted over the weekend, what went through your head? >> he will with, you for example it's heart breaking. it's heart breaking, i'm sure for them, for their families. but the point i'm making is it has become almost an everyday occurrence. >> we spoke with another missionary from florida who actually runs orphanage outside port-au-prince what said several months ago in july he was attacked at gunpoint. this is becoming a common occurrence here. we spoke today with the justice minister today as well, who confirmed at last he knew it was $1 million per person that the gang was asking for. he said that at last check, he -- the last time he spoke with the police, that he did not know where these missionaries were being held, but that, generally, this gang typically kept the people that it took hostage in around the same area, in a place where they can keep them safe for an extended period of time. and,r experts say these gangs typically ask for a very high ransom, hence $1 million and typically negotiate down. right now we have no clear indication on exactly the stage of the negotiations, you know, where the state department and the fbi are at in these negotiations. but we do know that family members in ohio and michigan are praying for the safe return of these missionaries. >> we all are. gabe, reporting from one of the most dangerous cities in the world. be safe. up next, the u.s. is short nearly 100,000 truck drivers. what that means for your online shopping. how one trucking school is trying to turn things around. trying to turn things around n... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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