and those with whom you serve rest in peace and rise in glory. in the meantime, you're in our prayers. may god bless you and may god protect all those who serve us in uniform. thank you. [ applause ] >> there are few who can argue that this is among the things that president joseph r. biden does very, very well. he is at his best when he's speaking with the kind of compassion and passion and empathy for those 491 fallen members of law enforcement over the last two years and their families who have gathered to honor them at this annual event. he did so saying that he is going to support legislation to keep guns out of the hands of abusers and those who would do harm to officers. he also called for flags above federal buildings across this country to be flown at half-staff in honor of those 491 as the president and the first lady there place that wreath and some momentos there within. again, joseph biden doing something that he does best, he knows well the heartache of loss of family and loved ones. meantime, a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to "alex witt reports." we're going to begin with breaking news we were just watching for you. just a few momentums ago, the president on capitol hill paying tribute to those 491 law enforcement officer who is died in the line of duty. let's go to josh lederman who's at the white house. it was really emotional listening to the president because you know that he speaks from a place deep in his heart. he well knows the pain of those who have gathered for this ceremony. >> reporter: that's right, alex. this was an opportunity for president biden to once again play the role of consoler in chief. as you mentioned, to turn to his own story of losing not one but two children, to try to be able to show empathy for those who have lost a loved one in law enforcement over the last year. you hear president biden talking in particular about his son beau who, although he was not a police officer, he was a law enforcement official as the attorney general of delaware before his death to brain cancer. this was also, though, a chance for president biden to try to thread the needle between support for the police and acknowledgment of the real problems in policing in our country that have been so evident in the year and a half since the death of george floyd. you know, the white house has been really reluctant to get pulled into this whole defund the police conversation, and you heard the president instead trying to reframe that conversation about it's not about punishing the police but instead recognizing that we have called on the police to solve societal problems that go far beyond law enforcement. here's what he said. >> it always amazes me how the public doesn't fully understand what we expect of our law enforcement officers. we expect you to be people ready to stand in the way and take a bullet for us. we expect you to be able to track down the bad guys. we expect you to be the psychologist who talks with the couple that are having a violent confrontation together to step back. we expect you to be everything. we expect everything of you, and it's beyond the capacity of anyone to meet the total expectations. >> reporter: left unsaid there, though, alex, was the real sense of pessimism that has set in in washington since that policing reform effort collapsed in congress in september. that was a bipartisan effort that the white house was supporting between senator cory booker, a democrat, and senator tim scott of south carolina, a republican. that collapsed after a scaled back proposal from the democratic side was rejected by senator scott leaving in the wake not a whole lot of optimism that there's going to be an ability to solve some of these problems that president biden was alluding to in his speech today about fallen service officers. >> yeah, that's the national perspective i'm going to share with our viewers. we're going to take them to minneapolis and speak with an official there about what they are trying to do. they are implementing public safety officials and kind of changing the definition of what a police department is there in minneapolis. we're going to have that conversation coming up. josh, thank you so much my friend. let's go to breaking news in houston in the vein of what we've been talking. a gunman ambushed three harris county deputies, killing one, wounding the others. the deputies were trying to apprehend a robbery suspect outside a nightclub. that's when it's believed another man with a rifle approached them from behind and opened fire. houston police took one person into custody. unclear if that person is a suspect or a witness. let's go to the day's other major headlines. first up, what could be a critical development for president biden's social spending package that's being negotiated in congress. multiple sources tell nbc news, the clean energy performance program, which is a linchpin of the president's proposed climate change legislation, is likely to be dropped from the democrat's spending bill due to opposition from moderate senator joe manchin. last hour house budget committee chair john yarmuth getting his reaction here on the show. >> it's a shame that we would have to strike the climate policy initiatives out of this package, but we have to get 50 votes. meanwhile, the u.s. is now offering to pay the families of those civilians who were mistakenly killed in a drone strike in afghanistan. the pentagon also says it will help if those family members want to relocate to the u.s. that august strike, which killed ten afghans including seven children was meant to target a key isis member. weeks after the strike, the head of the u.s. central command called it a tragic mistake. it's not clear, though, how much money the pentagon is offering. and the january 6th committee is moving forward with its promise to hold people accountable to defy subpoenas. the former trump aide did not show up thursday for his deposition on capitol hill. the full house will vote on it before heading to the u.s. attorney of washington, d.c. president biden giving his support to the committees yesterday. >> what's your message to people who defy congressional subpoenas on the january 6th committee? >> i hope that the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> should they be prosecuted by the justice department? >> i do, yes. >> white house press secretary jen psaki addressing the last part of the comments. the president supports the wrk of the committee and the independent role of the department of justice to make any decisions about prosecutions. the doj putting out a statement reiterating the department will, quote, make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law. period, full stop. kash patel and mark meadows are apparently cooperating with the committee. their depositions along with the one for dan scavino, they have been postponed, but they may still happen. and joining me now is california congressman ted lou, foreign affairs committee. good to welcome you back to the broadcast. let's get into this here, will steve bannon be held in contempt, and if so, how soon and is there a way that he could run out the clock, and is there added pressure on the doj to act following the president's comments? i know i threw a lot of questions at you, but have at it. >> thank you, alex, for those questions. i do believe steve bannon will be held in criminal contempt. you cannot simply disobey congressional subpoenas and not be held in contempt. the january 6th committee is going to vote. i expect them to vote for criminal contempt. but you raise a very good question. i'm going to let you know what my fear is. my fear is he's going to run out the clock. even if the department of justice engages and prosecutes him, he's just going to litigate this and appeal it to the appellate court and the supreme court. you have the case of don mcgahn where we got him to come in, but that was more than two years later. i have legislation that allows the house of representatives to execute inherent contempt power. we can levy up to $100,000 fine on him, and the difference is he'll know that if he loses at the end of the day in court, he'll still be stuck with $100,000 fine that flips the burden and i hope the house passes my legislation to do that. >> looks like steve bannon is taking a page out of the trump playbook certainly with these efforts to perhaps run out the clock. but you heard me say that the committee suggests that kash patel and mark meadows are cooperating in some way. do you know what that means, in some way? >> it's not exactly clear what it means, but at least they are talking, and so that is a good sign. steve bannon is completely different. he's simply saying i am not going to cooperate in any way whatsoever. that's why the january 6th commission is going to take a vote on holding him on criminal contempt. >> i think that happens at 7:00 p.m. tuesday night. jeff rosen who ran the office in the final day of the trump presidency, he was deposed on wednesday. is there any intel on what he provided or at least expectations of what he might have addressed? we know that he battled trump's efforts to co-op the doj. >> he did. when i was the house impeachment manager in the second impeachment trial, i presented to the senate and i talked about mr. rosen, and he actually did stand up, and he actually did help hold our democracy together, so i'm sure he had a lot to tell the january 6th committee. >> let's talk about another trump official from the doj, jeffrey clark. he's been subpoenaed. now, he was a trump loyalist who, according to rosen told rosen that trump was going to oust him from the top job and replace him with clark. why would donald trump have wanted to do that? >> so yeah, so jeffrey clark is exactly the opposite of mr. rosen. he wanted to burn down our democracy. he was going to do everything he could to keep the former president in office, even though trump lost. and i think jeffrey clark has a lot to answer for. i hope that he does cooperate and he tells the january 6th commission what the commission wants to know. >> okay. committee chair penny thompson is giving new insight into how former president trump could factor into this investigation. take a look at what he said. >> are you ruling out or ruling in the possibility of eventually subpoenaing trump? >> well, i would say this at this point, wolf, nobody is off limits to a subpoena from this committee. >> so i'm going to ask it to you this way. is there any way you see this probe ending without a subpoena for donald trump? >> that's really up to the january 6th commission. i do note that 57 u.s. senators on a bipartisan basis voted to convict donald trump in an impeachment trial, even though we didn't hit two-thirds, we still got 57. in any other context, that is not close. and so they thought donald trump under the facts incited an insurrection. i do think that we need to hear from the president on what he was thinking when he was inciting that insurrection, and why when the insurrection started happening he did nothing for hours and hours and let our police officers get brutalized and beat up by the insurrections. >> looking ahead to attorney general merrick garland who is set to appear before one of your committees, the house judiciary committee for the first time on thursday, with the topics ranging from january 6th to texas abortion law and the assaults on voting rights, what do you want to ask the attorney general? >> so that is a great question, alex. a lot also depends on what the people before me ask the attorney general. >> good point. >> so i do have a thousand questions i would like to ask merrick garland, so it will depends on what is asked before it gets to me. >> i would suggest, though, those topics are among those consideration, those three that i rattled off? >> yes, absolutely. >> okay, what about "politico," which is predicting a tense and contentious hearing especially with republicans likely to dig in on the hot button issues like the ones around vaccine mandates and crime in major cities. are you preparing for gop fireworks? something you've certainly seen before. >> i'm prepared that radical republicans are going to continue to be extreme and say dangerous things. for example, i commend the department of justice for trying to protect school board members who are threatened and are receiving death threats. my wife happens to be a school board member. she has received death threats, and for republicans to say that that's no big deal, shame on them. >> that's pretty stunning to hear, what is the nature of the death threats that your wife has received? >> so the media has actually written about this, it was along the lines of, you know, people who follow orders nurem bourg trials get executed. >> has that required, between your wife and you, you're a congressman in these ultra polarized times, have you had to consider extra protection of any kind? >> so i'd rather not discuss the security arrangements. >> totally understand that. let me ask you, though, about this. i got an update on my phone that they're making progress in these talks, but in hollywood, you know the production workers have preparing to go on strike monday if they cannot reach an agreement on an ie ie yacht see contract. you joined other -- come monday are you expecting a strike, and if that happens, what kind of an impact would that have on hollywood. >> >> i stand with iatsi, there's still time before the deadline, and my understanding is both sides are still negotiating. what we do know is we're in a new, different era with streaming. the work has changed, and if you look at some of their stories coming from iatsi workers, many of them are working 14-hour days. they're getting very little breaks, and we have to improve these working conditions so hopefully iatsi can resolve this issue with alliance of motion picture and television producers before the deadline. >> considering you are a congressman from los angeles 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long beach in los angeles where we're seeing upwards of 60 ships waiting in the harbor to get into port. there's normally not any ships out here. it has to do with supply chain disruptions that started during the pandemic, and the fact that all of us now are shopping online. so many more than before. the head of the toy industry association was on msnbc earlier today. he says you may want to start thinking about shopping now even though it's not halloween. >> stores have their best variety right now. there's still a lot of product out in the system. so shop early for toys. don't put it off hoping for that after thanksgiving sale. those are not going to be that big this year. we're seeing somewhere between 5 to 10% price increases already. if your kid has their heart set on something, get that toy now. >> reporter: the good news is that this suggests the economy is still pretty strong. the bad news, alex, that people are saying these delays and backlogs could stretch well into next year. >> yep, okay. well, thank you for that, scott cohn, and let's be joined right now by rick newman who's a columnist for "yahoo finance." good to see you. let's get into this, i'm curious about the worries out there, the effect this is going to have on the economy, how it's going to impact holiday shopping. i want the rick newman reality check here. how concerned are you? >> well, i'm planning to buy less this christmas. you know, so let's say we're not going to get everything we want. so just strike a few items off the list and maybe prepare your kids this is not going to be the extravaganza that maybe they were hoping it was. but look, it's going to be a lot better than last christmas. you know, last year we did not have vaccines yet. everybody was stuck inside, and nothing was back to normal, and we're just -- we're getting back to normal gradually. it's just not happening as fast as anybody wants. in terms of the economy, it's possible that this is sort of the worst possible moment for all these backlogs and choke points. this is going to get sorted out, but demand is way higher than it usually is. there's more than one choke point as you pointed out in the intro, there's aren't enough truck drivers, warehouses. our economy is actually very good at adapting to pressures like this. it's just going to take a while. >> patience isn't necessarily the strongest virtue of the american public right now given everything they've had to wait for. i get the frustration. what about the president who's announced he's pushing ports to work 24/7. that's one thing. is there anything more that he could be doing? >> this is not something a president can readily resolve. there's no executive order president biden can sign that's going to bring 20,000 truck drivers into the labor force, which is what the shortage is. truck drivers obviously have to be trained and certified and people don't necessarily want to become truck drivers because they keep hearing about, oh, we're going to have robot trucks that are going to drive themselves. there are already demonstrations. why do i want to commit to this field. president biden, he needs to make it look like he is doing something, so that's why he has said, yeah, we're going to try to get the courts operating 24/7. a lot of people were kind of like why don't the courts -- the ports already operate 24/7. biden knows -- in fact, republicans are already hammering him for ruining christmas. i call it grinch-o-nomics. there's going to be a lot of accusations that christmas is going to be terrible and it's joe biden's fault. it's not joe biden's fault. we've just got a lot of kinks in the economy. . people just need to be patient, even if they're not wired to be that way. >> there was a report this week from the labor department, it shows that inflation accelerated last month. it's remaining at its highest rate in over a decade. americans are certain le seeing the effects of this. what do you make of this, rick, and how long do you think it's going to last? >> this is the big argument at the federal reserve, at the white house and other places. is it temporary or is it permanent? my guess is it's temporary. part of it is driven by what we've been talking about, alex. there's now just a mismatch, more demand and less supply than we need right now. that is going to get sorted out. as more supply accommodation online and demand goes down, i mean, one of the reasons people are buying so much stuff, they're spending less money traveling, going to spas and doing experiential things. they want to spend their money. that is going to come back around, it might not be until next spring until we're back to warm weather in most of the country and we've made further progress against covid. we're going to have these mismatches pushing inflation up. my guess is that much of this is temporary because these things are going to sort themselves out. the auto industry is eventually going to get more semiconductors . president biden, this is a pointed political problem for him for a couple of reasons. i think number one the most -- one of the most politically important parts of inflation is gasoline. consumers just pay extra attention to the price of gas, and it's up about 40% over the last year, and it might go higher just because of what's happening in the global economy. if gas prices are higher than they are right now around this time next year, i think that is a major problem for president biden and his fellow democrats in congress. also, rent, you know, we're seeing more inflation in rent now. that's a big one. on the other hand, inflation isn't everywhere. if you're a homeowner, for example, and you've been able to refinance your mortgage, that's disinflation. you have more money left over in your paycheck. it's not hitting everybody. >> okay. it's been a hot minute. rick newman, come see me again, though, don't let it be so long. >> love to. it has been called a racist dog whistle and just 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>> well, alex, it's another remarkable act of self-sabotage by the republicans in virginia. anytime donald trump makes it solely about himself, democrats win, republicans lose. we saw it in 2018, we saw it in 2020, we saw it in the georgia special elections earlier this year in january. the last thing that republicans in virginia need is for this race to become a referendum on donald trump, on people like steve bannon, on the white nationalist elements that have overrun the republican party. glenn youngkin is on the air with adds trying to make himself look like the every man. it's a nice neat veneer for trumpism, when you align yourself with donald trump and steve bannon, you're not fooling anyone. the reality is you are being supported and you are rallying with people who are pledging allegiance to a flag that was meant to be a symbol for an act of domestic terrorism in the united states of america in our capitol, and if this is what this election ends up being about in the closing moments of this campaign, if the closing argument is a choice between donald trump's america and the rest of the country, that's bad news for glenn youngkin and good news for terry mcauliffe. >> i know you were shaking your head as you were watching that video, what was going through your mind? >> i mean as a native virginian i am embarrassed by that video but what i'm thinking about is how glenn youngkin came out and said it was weird and he was trying to distance himself. he's out here gaslighting voters with his tempered down rhetoric. he is literally in bed with donald trump and steve bannon, he's taking endorsements, taking the money, and sending out emails that he has an endorsement from governor abbott. we have to be really clear in these last 17 days of who glenn youngkin is, who he will be. it's not just about maintaining the progress that we have made here in virginia. this is setting the tone for what 2022 will be for democrats and for republicans and also it's setting the stage for who is in control in 2024 that will determine outcomes of these elections. i'm actually very nervous because his rhetoric is working, and we have to make sure that terry mcauliffe is crossing the line in 17 days. >> to echo the sentiments that curt was expressing there, there's some recent polling that shows youngkin was in striking distance of terry mcauliffe by keeping trump out of it. do you think trump will spoil this for republicans potentially? >> i think he could, right? because you have one of these thins with youngkin, do as i say, not as i do, right? he's saying one thing distancing himself. again, he has people campaigning for him. he's behind the scenes having these conversations. again, this is going to be a test on whether or not trump will be a critical player for the republican party in 2022, and what happens to candidates who either distance themselves, kind of publicly from him, but still run on the issues that trump ran on before. >> so this plays, curt, right into terry mcauliffe's anti-trump message, but even though campaigns against donald trump was an overall strategy, it was a winning one during the trump presidency. now that trump's out of office, do you think it's going to be as effective? >> i do, alex. i look at the effect that just the overall trumpism had in, for instance, the california recall where there was a moment there where it looked like it was a very close situation, and democrats got alarmed, and then they got involved and so did donald trump, and we all saw how that turned out in california. what donald trump doesn't seem to understand, is while he may be incredibly popular within the republican party, he is completely unpopular with the rest of the country. this is a person whose approval rating has been upside down for pretty much the entire time he's been in public office and public life. all he's doing is the people that like donald trump, they're with them. they're not going anywhere. we know that. but elections are about expanding your coalition, reaching out to as many voters as you can, and for every vote donald trump gets glenn youngkin, he's going to lose two or three others. >> you bring up california, that was a blowout, right, for governor newsom the way he won that. do you think that could happen in virginia for terry mcauliffe in this case? >> well, i don't -- i think that it's entirely possible that donald trump's message of republicans don't vote because the elections are rigged coupled with hanging out with white nationalists like steve bannon could have a very negative impactful turnout for republicans. and i also think that terry mcauliffe, we have barack obama, stacey abrams, we've had first lady, like the national democratic party is rallying behind terry mcauliffe, and i think that's going to have a major application effect on turnout for democrats and i think he's going to end up winning this thing, and i think he's going to win it comfortably. >> do you agree with that? i'll give you the last word. >> oh, absolutely, and what we also have going for us in this case, in addition to this antitrust conversation, there's a lot of progress to be built upon. terry mcauliffe was a very popular governor here in virginia. governor northam built upon o'that progress. we have so much to vote for and not just against. these two messages coupled together with all the star power coming in the next two weeks, honestly, i think it's going to be a close election, but i do think we can pull it off. >> he's trying to make a comeback there. curt, alencia, thank you both so much. new trouble could be on the rise for steve bannon. the january 6th committee could recommend criminal charges for the former trump adviser. on tuesday the panel will vote to hold bannon in contempt of congress for not complying with its subpoena. president biden weighed in on the issue yesterday while speaking to the press at the white house. >> what's your message to people who defy con impressional subpoenas on the january 6th committee? >> i hope that the committee goes after them and hold them accountable, criminally. >> do you think they should be prosecuted by the justice department? >> joining me now congressional reporter for "the guardian." after the president's comments, the doj released a statement, you tweeted it out. it said that the doj will make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law, period, full stop. how do you interpret this? >> i think it's the justice department trying to say that they're going to be independent and they're going to take their own view on the case and look at the facts and the evidence supporting it, but i think the decision is very straightforward. you have steve bannon, a former strategist who has not been a white house employee since 2017, claiming executive privilege to say that he can't appear before the january 6th select committee and he defied a congressional subpoena that was lawfully authorized. so the facts of the case are not on his side here, despite his luster that he's not particularly interested in complying with the subpoena, he's not particularly interested in dealing with the case at all. so at some point the reality is going to hit him hard. i think the justice department will take action. >> what about the committee which has also subpoenaed former trump doj official jeffrey clark. why do they want to speak with him? >> i think this is really interesting, so jeffrey clark was obviously a key member of the trump effort to subvert the 2020 election. you know, the senate judiciary committee report said he tried to pressure the then acting attorney general, jeff rosen, to claim there was widespread election fraud when the department had already concluded there was no widespread election fraud. i think what the committee is trying to untangle is was jeffrey clark trying to push rosen to do this because he genuinely believed there was election fraud and believed the conspiracy theories, or was there a more sinister play going on here, that trump directed potentially clark to instruct rosen to make these claims. now, republicans in congress on january 6th could then point to the justice department publicly saying there was election fraud and using that as a basis to say we cannot certify states from, you know, these states and for that reason we're going to kick it to the house or we're not going to certify these electoral votes and somehow return trump to the oval office. >> you bring up jeffrey rosen, the former acting a.g. in the waning days of the trump presidency. we know that he did speak with the committee. he was interviewed on wednesday. did we learn anything new, anything surpriing from that? >> so there's been no readout from the committee publicly about what jeff rosen testified, but a source on the committee before the meeting told me they were particularly interested to learn from rosen everything he told the senate judiciary committee, but they also wanted to learn if there was some sort of fbi investigation, some sort of justice department investigation into the way that trump tried to co-opt jeff clark and potentially other people in the department to support his claims. bill barr obviously did not want to have anything to do with this because he resigned well before january 6th, but this is what the committee's trying to understand. was this a wider conspiracy that trump directed from the private residence in the white house, and if so, was there some sort of active investigation going on, which rosen wouldn't have been in a place to understand because the fbi director chris wray reported to him. >> okay, hugo lowell, thanks for joining us. appreciate it. boosters and mandates, how much safer are they making america? 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should people get vaccinated for both? and let me just say i have a sore shoulder from my flu shot yesterday. >> good job, first of all, good job on getting your flu vaccine. i got my flu vaccine as soon as it was available at my employer. i strongly, strongly encourage all americans to be protected against the flu. we at the american college of preventative medicine, we have a we are vaccine confident you can be too campaign, and as part of that campaign, we're emphasizing the necessity of vaccines as a prevention tool, a powerful prevention tool. so, as we go into these fall and winter months, i can not emphasize enough, ensure that you have the broadest spectrum protection against all of the bugs that are out there with that being coronavirus and flu. and if you're older american, think about shingles, think about vaccination against pneumonia. we want everyone to have their best and fighting chance to be as healthy as possible. >> amen to that. dr. chris pernell, thank you so much. well, revolutionizing the way police protect and serve, would reducing the number of officers on the street work? 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>> thank you for having me. is my connection okay? >> i can hear you now. did you hear my question to you? >> i heard, i think, most of it. >> okay. well, just really quickly, who decides when you move to public safety, voters will do that, but when it comes to police officers, who decides when they're necessary, what they do, i mean, it's a real -- it's a hot button issue right now, so tell me how that goes down. >> yeah, absolutely. well, the state -- there are state statutes that determine what a minnesota peace officer is required to do, but obviously, most cities have police doing things well outside of that scope. and so i think a part of what we want to do is be able to define the scope of police in our city. as of right now, i would say it's pretty undefined. we have police handling everything from noise complaints and minor conflicts between neighbors -- all the way to active shooter situations. that's a scope almost to the point of being undefinable and it's in those places where police are doing things not defined within their scope that we see major problems with our police department, when they're handling mental health calls, when they're handling homeless encampments and things like that. that's where you see things go really awry and so i think that we want to be able to define a public safety system that can actually keep people safe and not contribute to harm. >> i'm not telling you anything you haven't heard a thousand times before and that is from those residents who say, i'm worried this is going to increase the crime in my neighborhood, around my home, if we don't have police officers out there. what do you say to them? >> well, we're going to have police officers out there. i think the real discussion that we're having in our city is not more or less police. the real discussion we're having is, what actually keeps our city safe? you would see in cities like chicago that have an almost four times as many police as we've, per person, right? that they also have significant more homicides, and so we know that increased policing doesn't actually equal increased safety. does that mean that there's no role for police to play? absolutely not. there's a role that police play in our public safety system but if we're trying to keep residents safe, preserve life, we need to greatly expand beyond the police only model which is what we're trying to do here in minneapolis. >> look, there was a debate, and i was going to play a clip but i don't have time to do it so i'm just going to read part of it. i don't know where it has ever been done and i don't want to be another test case. this was somebody who said, i'm not really supporting what you are, right? 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