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samira out of the way? >> she was standing outside the residence. >> mr. frasch had multiple female acquaintances. >> they had a common career they were exotic dancers. >> two critical clues, one chilling one. >> we had the dna that came off of the victim. >> i literally looked at it for a minute and said seriously. >> that was absolutely stunning. >> behind the curtain was a very dark thing. >> it was a cold morning in february. cold for northern florida that is. chris and sunny, when the call came in. >> can i get an officer out here at golden eagle? it's a lady laying in the pool, in her backyard in the pool. >> made no sense really. way too cold for swim. but the lady was in swimming. wasn't even floating. down at the bottom of the pool. >> she's dead. >> she was lying face up, her palms to as if insulation, the leopard print robe drifting in the water around her. >> she's been in there, i don't know how long. she's completely gone. >> the house with the backyard pool was located in that exclusive gated community in tallahassee florida, called golden eagle. first responders went out there and pretty soon, sheriffs detective got a call. >> they said that they found a body in a pool, a woman in a pool. and we were scrambling our investigative unit. >> is that as much as you know when you got the call? >> it was. >> the emt had been there by then, tried cpr just in case given that the water was so cold. >> i didn't think they knew how long she had been in the pool so the thought process was maybe that they could revive her. >> because a person metabolism slows down it looks like they're dead, maybe they're not dead. was there serious thought that she would survive this? >> it wasn't the case. >> no. at the hospital the doctor tried to tech check her body temperature to see how long she had been dead, but she was too cold for the turmoil meter, no way to calculate how long she had been in the pool. of course, by then, they'd figured out who she was, samira frasch, but unusual name. they looked terrible line, and -- wow! >> she was gorgeous. >> samira frasch was amazing, look at her, stunning, most certainly and glamorous, and very french. >> it's everything or nothing, i'm friends you know. >> once upon a time she turned heads in paris, a runway model sultry, music video singer, a shooting star. or, so the stories went. >> such a shame what happened to samira and such a mystery. >> when you think about all the strange twist that this story took. >> he was a friend, by the time it all ended. >> the story is very sad how it all ended up, but it is still a wild story. >> the story? her story, was not at all wild to begin with. she was born far away in french speaking madagascar, she was poor, dirt poor, like the dirt floors in her family's little house, and her story frankly would've ended their anonymously, we had not thing to tell. were it not for something in her, some drive, some desire. >> she was full of energy and determination and she always wanted to be doing something. over here we call it the american dream. there, it was paris. it was her own hard work that won her a spot in college, her talent and her remarkable look that got her a place on paris fashion runway. and still there would be no story for us were it not for the night in 2006, in a trending paris nightclub when she met him. adam frasch. jackie watts in a french national herself was a samira's friend. >> he showered her with gifts and love and flowers. >> it was that old teammate intoxication, love at first sight, she was brilliant, tall and incredibly beautiful. >> and he? he was a prominent and successful florida doctor, a podiatrist and surgeon and attractive said samira's jackie watson. >> very handsome man, tall, bright blue eyes, very good-looking, they were the perfect couple. >> and he was smitten. she showed him the pairs he had seen before, but never like he saw it with samira. >> beautiful lady, beautiful spirit, huge smile. >> adam's friend saw too, like the reverend larry johnson. >> they were obviously in love with each other. >> the romans with adam was right out of a book. >> she said actually that it was like a fairytale. >> that's how it began, and back and forth they went, he would fly to paris, she to tallahassee, florida where he lived. just so that they could see each other, adam couldn't stop talking about her, couldn't believe his luck. >> he said i'm in love with her and i'm going to marry her. >> adam frasch was a catch to, right? oh yes. he had flown through college in three years, was a youngest graduate in his mid school class, a workaholic in school and out. >> when he was in college he had three part-time jobs for a while, and he would never buy pop because that would buy -- cost more than water. >> his medical practice was amazing. >> he was very successful, you would go in the waiting room and it was full. when i got there at five it would still be full. >> by the time adam met samira he was a respected podiatrist adult good hospital. with two practices. >> i was impressed by his professionalism, he was not in a hurry to do it fast to get out. go on with the next patient. he had a big heart. >> before they got married they had to wait, he was in the midst of a divorce. and when it was final they did not hesitate. they married in vegas. and they made their home in tallahassee. not many french nationals here. >> tallahassee? >> yeah, talk about a cultural shift. >> no kidding. you don't say. >> she became her sounding board, her soulmate, culture shock is an easy phrase to say, but for french women like anna bell and samira getting used to tallahassee was not so easy. all you have to do is open your mouth and you are different. >> yes. >> she emigrated years earlier had to get her a tutorial on the english language, especially when it came to words that began with the letter h. >> french people don't say their ages, imagine the amount of trouble you can get in when our ages are silent. >> you speak from experience? >> i do. >> so hate would come out as eight, hurt as hurt,. >> and i used to have that with samira, don't say that, they won't understand it. >> here she had friends like jackie and annabelle, and annabelle's mother who kind of adopted samira. a good life. >> we were trying to be a bunch of french girls drinking wine and eating cheese. >> eventually for them there were babies. first came a baby who would have a childhood samira's could only dream of. >> she was trying to provide the world for this baby, she thought the baby deserve that. >> she picked the names. >> her entire worlds were her two kids. she just loved her babies. >> can you say hi? hi. >> i don't think that there is anything that she would want to do except for their mother. her whole world revolved around them. >> and then it was that february morning 2014, about 11 am, it was the handyman who called 9-1-1. and hear the story seemed to end, the adventures of samira frasch dead at just 38. the really in a way the story had just begun. coming up. >> it's a lady laying in the pool, in her backyard, in her pool. >> what happened to samira? 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just ask your asthma specialist about dupixent. >> when handyman called 9-1-1 that chilly morning in february 2014 -- >> it's a lady laying in the pool, in her backyard in her pool. >> he told the operator he knew samira frasch had children, two little girls. but he couldn't find them. >> where are her kids? you said she had kids. >> i can't get in the house, i can't get nothing. i just found in the back of the pool. >> investigator jason searched for clues at the place her life came to an end. >> i studied crime seems a lot just to see if anything stood out. >> and right away what's stood out was evidence of one of those bizarre tripping accidents people tend to fall prey to. this is police video, the pool deck was kind of a mess. and look at this, one of her sandals was caught under a garden hose that ran across the deck and into the pool. >> tucked right underneath the hose on the edge, and the other one was just down at the bottom of the pool. >> and detective discovered that her dog had escaped to the pool deck. so -- >> they have this small dog and it's apparently running around if it gets out. >> i figured out that she fell, that's stupid dog they had run around the pool. >> when he heard about samira's death, her father in law said the same thing merely happened to him. >> i couldn't catch assume, and i stumbled on the hose trying to catch him. >> so it seemed obvious. samurai must of been chasing her dog, tripped on the hose and wound up in the pool. tragically the one thing samira couldn't do was swim. but one look at the web, that says otherwise, a very versatile woman. >> you can definitely google search her, youtube. >> and there she was. about a half dozen music videos under the day name samira diaz. many made in madagascar, they did not go viral. once she became a mom, her ambition shifted. now she wanted her daughter, eventually daughters, to be the center of the attention. >> you're so young, so beautiful, she said let's be serious here, let's focus on the kids. >> the kids had the big idea, and that's when she first met joel silver, he's a producer. in 2012 she called him out of the blue and set up a meeting. >> the mother said that my baby is beautiful, she should be on tv, on commercials, but she acted on this. >> because said silver samira instinctively seem to understand the power of social media. >> by that time we were starting to see that on facebook and youtube. famous people, famous dogs on facebook that have thousands and millions of followers. >> why not a famous baby? >> why not a famous baby was her idea. let's see how it works. >> you were in? >> i was in. >> it was to create and market a children's clothing line based on the clothing she designed. she would sell them from a website. the youtube videos would push potential customers to her side. if the kardashians can do it, why not her? >> she said, i want to make videos of my baby and i want to travel and make sure everybody can see how beautiful my baby is. >> it seemed to be the perfect formula. that is using the online clothing business based on her daughter so she could be closer to her baby, and adam and see the country and have fun. enviable. >> when i saw her and her husband and that little girl, i said this is what i want to ending. >> they took their road show all over the country, vegas, disney world. hollywood. the kentucky derby. >> look at that. >> washington d.c.. new york's times square. and everybody admired the baby. >> all precious. >> she's gorgeous. >> even another tv celebrity, from a mob wives. >> you are so gorgeous. >> i don't know she just thought this is how you do it in america. >> there's some evidence to suggest that it is, or something like that. >> yes. when you come to the u.s. this is what she thought was the best way to showcase her child. >> in the background, adam always a bit off camera quietly hovered, proud but worried a little bit, protective. of course he finance the productions, paid for her music videos to. out on the road, were you ever pushed by people who thought that this was off? >> we never got any kind of backlash from anybody about saying this is terrible, what are you doing? it might be because she was just always the perfect tv star, she was always in a great move, always smiling and waving, anytime you see the videos, the baby was always happy. >> and samira, over the top or not, she was somehow genuine said silver. and he rolled the camera as she, no fuss, no makeup doted on her baby girl. this, thought joel silver, was true love. and then there was a party, her first birthday party and her biggest promotional social media, she pulled out all the stops, tallahassee had never seen anything like this. >> with how much samira loved his baby, she wanted to make it the party of all parties. this was like an l.a., hollywood birthday of a celebrity baby. >> she played host and narrator. >> today is her one-year-old birthday, watch. >> then dressed as egyptian guards, a sword wielding belly dancer, and samira dripping cold and wearing a gown fit for a queen. >> adam frasch, her husband, went for something a little bit more elvis. and at the center of it all their daughter, we dressed in white feather and for. as they saying our birthday, they were being. not a hint in the world that in a little more than a year, she would be gone, her baby just two and ten months, without a mother. detectives had watched the video and something like amazement the, and then they heard from the coroner, and remember that bird tripping thing, maybe not an accident after all. coming up. what did the medical examiner have to say? 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>> the cause of death was blood forced trauma to the head, coupled with drowning. >> in such a way that it could've happened accidentally or did it seem to corner as if it was a homicide? >> with his physical findings, there was file play, we were looking for somebody. >> here's with the medical examiner said, one side of her skull was fractured, which certainly could have been when she hit her head on the way to the pool, but the other side of her head was damaged to, a simple slip and fall couldn't come from that. remember he saw evidence of both blood force trauma and drowning, which meant she was still alive when she hit the water, so, was it murder? it looked like yes, the detectives went to work. >> we collect as much physical evidence as we could and we interviewed everybody that was -- that had seen her last and were close to her. >> like the men who found her in the pool, the handyman, gerald gardner. >> he was somebody that we needed to talk to you and rule out as a suspect. >> police thought there was something odd about gerald gardener, or at least what he said when he called 9-1-1. the operator asked him to get into the pool and pull samira out. >> anyway you can jump in and get her? >> i probably can, but i prefer the officer to be here before i touch her. >> nobody wants to jump in and get around? >> well ma'am, she is completely gone. and i want you all to come take pictures before i take her out. >> gerald gardener new samira, had worked for her four years, why did he refused the operators request? >> we talk to him later and he said i wasn't going to touch her, i didn't want my dna on her, i knew i would be the first suspect, i found her. he said, i do not want to be involved in this. >> he was right, police would look at him and his story closely. as well as someone else who was there with him that day, his 14-year-old son, gerald junior. at police headquarters the pull the boy was questioned while his mother sat with the detectives. >> we open the back gate, and we went to the pool area, and we notice her two sandals was in the pool. and we seen hurdling at the bottom of the pool, just laying there. >> who saw her first? >> my daddy. >> during a break in the interview, the boy started to cry. >> his mother telling him to calm down, police had to do their job. >> what you crying for, little gerald. >> i'm scared. >> well a nothing you can do about that. you were the ones that were there. >> as for his father, gerald gardener, some people were saying that he did more than just work for samira. we >> interviewed a couple of people about their relationship and some people suspected that that happened but gerald said no. >> are they friends? >> they were friends, he would do anything that she needed. >> her father and son telling them everything? maybe they would find out from the security tapes. the frasch's was in a gated community, so there was a departure video. that's how the detectives confirmed that the handyman and his son arrived at 10:51 am, ten minutes before phoning 9-1-1, so, could the gardeners have done something terrible and so short of a time in the sounded the way gerald gardener sounded on that 9-1-1 call. >> there were some statements that i believe were very credible and genuine. he was very adamant that he was worried about the welfare of the children as well. >> gerald gardener and son, they decided, did not kill samira. so, who did? the one person they wanted to ask of course was adam frasch, except they couldn't find him. adam in the two little girls were, apparently, away somewhere. there was a friend who might know where. a friend who the detectives discovered did not like the former french model now lying cold in the morgue, not one tiny bit. coming up. if this friend didn't care, who knew? 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>> that's what i said, i said is she dead? and they said, yeah, man, they found out the bottom of the pool. i said you have to be kidding me. >> he confirmed it to a friend on the police force, and then he steeled himself, for the call he knew he had to make. kendall always called adam dock. >> i called doc and he picked up, and i told him, i heard. she was found dead in the pool. and he took it quiet and i imagine he was crying because his daughter said daddy why are you crying. >> in the background you heard that? >> yeah. >> adam told candle that he was at their beach house nearly three hours away, he told them he took the kids for the weekend so that samira could rest. >> i said bring the kids here. just bring him here, you need to come find out what is going on. he said he was on the way. >> soon after he shared the news, kendall got another phone call, his pulleys contact, he needed some help. >> my police friend asked me a question and i said that he is in panama beach, and he's on the way here. >> adam headed back to tallahassee, the officer asked candle for another favor. >> he said i have a detectives that wants to ask you question. within 30 minutes i had a detective at my door asking me questions. >> kendall told the detectives that his relationship with adam boarded on brotherhood. candle is a car dealer and adam had a thing for collecting cars. >> maserati, for robberies, some very nice must hangs, top-of-the-line mercedes, you name it. >> in fact, adam owned 80 cars, at least. maybe 100. so at first it was a business relationship with soon they were fast friends, they went to games together, shot pool, travel to vegas, miami, orlando, they especially liked vegas. >> we would go to casinos and things like that, travels a lot. >> at the casinos, adam plane in poker tournaments. candle kept denying it because adam liked carrying big watches of cash, and flooded his expensive jewelry. >> did you find yourself kind of becoming his protector, watch out for him? >> we would go to the casino, and he had a jewelry on, flashing like a superstar, he had all types of guys looking at him but he didn't care about that. >> the detectives asked how did candle feel about samira? >> i said i didn't like wrote all. >> you don't like it did make any secret about it? >> no. >> she didn't like her husband spending so much time with candle, going to casinos. kendall told adam, don't let your wife dictate your friendships. >> we continued our friendship under the radar. until she realized that i was the one that was encouraging him to stand up for himself. >> he wouldn't say to her look, he's my friend, i'm gonna see him whether you like it or not. >> no way. no way. >> kendall said he tried to tell the detective all that, but then it dawned on him, he, kendall, was a suspect. >> when they started asking me where was i last night, that's when i started saying do i need a lawyer here? >> they asked him for his phone and if he would go to the sheriff's office to take a dna test. questions continued there for hours. >> so, obviously, you know why you're here. >> yeah. >> hardly a surprise. >> don't think that i'm not aware that i'm probably a suspect as well. i understand that. how i feel about samira, everybody knew it. >> he told them the time that he stuck between the for an argument. mostly to protect adam. she wasn't happy. >> i said if you hit me i'll knock you through the window. those are my exact words to her. i will knock you off the window. >> and then there was candles last conversation with samira, the night before she was found murdered. kendall said it started over a misunderstanding. and then escalated when samira decided that he had stolen some clothes that had been left and one of adams cars. he had words, expletives exchanged. >> she lit into me. you don't need to go to my closet. you better bring my clothes back. and i said yeah i burn them, and i hung up, just like that. >> and then candle set something, said something he maybe should've said. >> i joked about it this morning i said, if it wasn't me, they wouldn't have to be looking for killer because my hands would still be wrapped around her neck. >> did he just say that? about his best friends wife found dead in the pool? now that got the detectives detention, time to take a hard look at this guy's alibi, did he have one? coming up. >> a lot of marble, gold, a lot of exotic animals that were stuffed. >> inside the jaw-dropping world of adam and samira frasch. >> approximately four house, a lot of cars, high-end vehicles, mercedes, bmw's, hummers, corvette's. even a ferrari. >> did all that wealth provide a motive for murder? when dateline continues. en dateline continues. >> his good friend kendall lindsey had just made an astonishing testament to detectives. kendall wasn't fond of samira, in fact the two had argued vehemently the night before she died. >> i joked about it this morning, i said, if it was me, they wouldn't have to be looking for the killer because my hands would still be wrapped around her neck like that, and that's the truth. >> one thing to say. even if it was a joke. so, next question, what, i asked the detective was candle up to the night before? and the morning samira was found. >> i went hunting around 5:30, and i came home, still in my hunting gear, had to take a shower. both of my sons were there. >> all right. so the next morning, you are at the house. >> right. >> you don't go anywhere. >> nowhere. >> after breakfast, said candle, his wife drove him to work, that was 11:20, she was found at 11. so, candle had an alibi, detectives regrouped and went back to the frasch's house. let it talk to them and talked it did. >> wow, it was different. different from most peoples taste. >> this detective. >> a lot of marble, a lot of gold, a lot of exotic of animals that were stuffed. >> oh wow. >> which was kind of new to us for executing a search warrant. >> but it wasn't just the over the top house, everything the detectives learned about them practically screamed money. watches, jewelry, clothes, guns, motorcycles, a fleet of cars. >> approximately four houses, a multitude of cars, went from 80 to 100, a high-end vehicle, mercedes, bmw's, hummers, quartets. even a ferrari. >> boats? >> he did have a boat that we discovered. >> the investigators asked kendall lindsey, and he told them, as he did us, that adam frasch would buy a car when the two men were on the road, then he would leave it behind. >> so he could go any where and there was a car that he owned and it would sit there. >> yeah. he's all about collecting. he's like a hoarder in a way. >> a hoarder? >> yeah, it's a strong word, but in a way, from what i witnessed, doc could never get enough from buying things, not just cars, a lot of nice things. >> maybe buying things meant some sort of psychological need. >> he would look for a car, a couple of hours on the internet, could be 11:00, 1:00 in the morning, and he sees it, if it's in miami florida, or nevada, were on a plane or brick in a car and driving that night to be there. >> to buy it? >> to buy it. >> and as soon as he bought the car that rushes over, it's like okay, find me into the car. >> the doctor like to pay for these things, in fact, most things in cash. like the time he took samira and jackie out for dinner. >> i notice he had money because when he paid the bill he had that big stack of hundred dollars, i was like okay. you know? >> investigators quickly realized that samira seem to share adams penchant for buying things, expensive things. >> she ordered 1500 pacifiers for the children, the chandelier's, the statues, i don't know if there's anything that they wouldn't by. >> they figured maybe money was the glue in the frasch marriage, and sometimes during rough patches the peace offering. >> text messages he would send a picture of hundred dollar bills laid out on a bed and the shape of i love you you. >> and that was the effective way to get her? >> it worked. >> doctor frasch, it seemed, was too happy to spend lavishly so that the poor girl from madagascar could have her american dream. apparently he could afford it. >> he was doing very well. >> how was he doing? >> maybe one of the highest paid podiatrist in the state, or arguably the country. >> it was true, at the time, doctor frasch was one of the leading practitioners of a cutting edge skin graft procedures for diabetics. people poured into his clinics in southern georgia, many on the on medicare. so, in 2012, for example, a couple of years after she died, the doctor received more than 1 million dollars in medicare payments. >> adam, when he worked, he worked. he would start at 9:00 and work until whenever he got done, a lot of time it was 7:00 before he got done. >> mind you, said adam's father, his son may have come by the stacks of bills another way, at the game table. >> he got start at texas holden poker, and when he got enrolled in something like that, he would want to go till he was the best. >> didn't hoard his money though. the investigators also discovered the doctor was generous, shared his good fortune with friends and family, and patients to. >> reverend larry johnson was his patient first and then his friend. >> came to the door, he was going to treat you regardless, money or no money. >> if you need $1, 000, and you could show why you needed it, you would get it. >> you could say give me $1,000 and he would give you? >> no, he wasn't an idiot, but his heart was big. >> so, the detectives had questions for the doctor. many questions, but first, they had to find him. coming up. the doctor surfaces, but his behavior only raises more questions, that was a lot of factors that made you look at adam and go, what happened here? >> when dateline continues. n dateline continues my auntie called me. she said uncle's had a heart attack. i needed him to be here. your heart isn't just yours. protect it with bayer aspirin. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. 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aaron's mostly, he told them. with samira and the baby, they were all together, and then a pleasant to lunch and an even better evening. >> actually, we made love in the living room on the chair in the living room. >> when you say made love, you had sex? >> i don't like to get into that personal kind of stuff. because it was one of the better times and we have had in a while. >> then adam told him that samira had told him that she needed a favor. >> she said that she was exhausted she asked tomorrow just want to break, just take the babies, you guys go somewhere. i want to sleep in. >> so, come morning, said adam, he took the girls to the beach house. >> what time was it that you left? >> it was approximately eight or so. >> and where was sam? >> she was in bed. >> the surveillance camera backed up adams story, there is his car leaving golden eagle, but what struck the cops conducting the interview was how the doctors emotions seemed, how to put it, disconnected from his tear ducks. investigator jason newlin wasn't in the room but his colleagues were. >> i went to the office and they said that adam said that he felt sorry and bad, and he hadn't shed a single tier. >> is that a true tell about if someone is grief-stricken or not? >> no, there were a lot of other factors that made you look at adam and go, what happened here? >> other factors? well, there was as investigators discovered a whole different story about the frasch very different, very tumultuous. in fact they were in the middle of a divorce, which would be divorce number three for adam. so yes, they were skeptical about adam story, they told them so. >> we know the history. >> right. i understand. >> we know how things have taken place between the two view. >> the history, it was complicated all right, but one thing, the doctor had a roving i. infidelities. like what? >> he had multiple affairs, multiple girlfriends. >> while he was with samira? >> yes. >> and samira could not bear her husbands cheating. >> i think it was a 1 millionth time he cheated on her, there is only so much a human being can take. >> so the marriage turned along in turmoil, sometimes an angry wife would take it out on her husband, as investigators discovered when they founded this snippet of video on samira's phone, she has locked him out of the car. >> sam, i'm sorry. sam. >> what did you find out about that marriage, about those two people at the heart of it? >> it was a marriage that lacked trust. it was verbal-y abusive, physical abuse. >> and then six months before samira died, a particular nasty fight, a call to the police, and samira was arrested for domestic battery. >> samira was a volatile person, she would attack him, there was a domestic history between the two. >> she was charged a timer to? >> she was. she was charge and arrested for domestic violence. >> and that is how samira met annabelle, her attorney. >> we got out of jail, and then we got served with an injunction. >> he had enough and the judge granted the injunction. >> annabelle diaz on her way to becoming her friend, thought that that was awful. >> she cannot go back home, she cannot see her kids. >> this is what the injunction said? >> yes. >> it didn't stay that way, mind you. after she filed for divorce, she managed to regain custody of the two little girls, and she and adam started living apart. >> was that breakup particularly painful -- >> for him? man, he did everything he could. >> best friend candle watched as the doctor tried to put the marriage back together again. >> he still bought her cars, he still tried to buy her thousand dollar dresses to buy her back. and she would take every bit of it and still -- >> hold him at bay? >> yes. >> so was there a motive and all that, the tumultuous marriage ending in violence, a marriage where a husband is deeply in love with his wife? maybe he finally snap, struck back. that's with the investigators wondered as they sat in the interview room late that night. >> the best person in the world has a limit. okay? and when they reach that limit, they do things that they wouldn't ordinarily do, or couldn't even think of doing. and i think you reach that limit. >> no. that's not true. >> the doctor insisted he wasn't there, didn't know what happened. but he thought it was most likely an accident. >> i'm worried that she may have tripped on the water hoses out there. you know trying to chase bella around the pool. and felon. >> maybe. or maybe not. coming up. a bombshell from a neighbor who tells police would he saw just minutes before samira was found dead. >> he observed a black female standing outside of the frasch 's residence. >> was it samira or possibly the killer? when dateline continues. ntinues. many people with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's disease, i was there. be right back. but my symptoms were keeping me from where i needed to be. so i talked to my doctor and learned humira is the #1 prescribed biologic for people with uc or crohn's disease. and humira helps people achieve remission that can last, so you can experience few or no symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. be there for you and them. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. learn how abbvie could help you save on humira. instantly clear everyday congestion with humira, with vicks sinex saline. for fast drug free relief vicks sinex. instantly clear everyday congestion. and try vicks sinex children's saline. safe and gentle relief for children's noses. detectives had talked to adam frasch for nearly two hours, had listened when he said he wouldn't harm a hair on her head. not samira, the love of his life. but they weren't buying his accident story. didn't buy any of it. in fact, one detective said it sounded to him like it was a fatal attraction. >> you love her to death, huh? >> that term is not appropriate for you to be saying that. >> police had heard enough. >> this interview concluded at 1:37 a.m. >> they arrested adam frasch. not for his wife's murder, didn't have enough evidence for that. they found another way. because adam and samira were in the middle of a divorce, and he had no reason to take the kids, they held him in jail. >> he violated an agreement, having custody of the children. >> you could keep him in custody for a while that way. >> sure. we continued to work our death investigation. >> adam, in his jail clothes, was pale and needed to shave when we caught up with him. he had a clear message, he would never harm his wife. he loved samira from the night he met her in paris, almost ten years before. >> what did you see in her? >> her beauty for one. >> couldn't miss that. >> she couldn't speak english. i spoke no french. we had a great, romantic time together. >> reporter: once they married and started a family, adam told us there wasn't a better mother on this earth. that clothing line? adam figured samira was probably driven by the deprivations of her own childhood. >> her intentions were that they have the opportunities that she didn't have. >> reporter: and the day adam got the call from best friend kendall with the awful news about samira is still fresh in his mind. >> what was it like to hear? >> oh, it was just terrible. i mean, it just destroyed my world. i was just shocked and crying and broke down, my little girl's saying "daddy, why you crying" and stuff. >> reporter: but wait. if adam really was that loving husband, then what about all the other women? the stories of infidelity? didn't happen, he told us. not while he was living with samira. not until they separated and he thought his marriage was over. >> probably on to divorce number three, you know, and get out of this and just start on with my own life. so i started dating. >> and then realized -- >> but there weren't relationships all the way through your marriage with samira? >> no. i never ever had -- >> because this is the allegation that's out there. >> no, that's not true. >> reporter: in fact, said adam, he and samira were trying to reconcile. during that last month, he'd been staying over at the house with her and the children. and they agreed to try again. she was going to call off the divorce, he said. >> she said she was sorry and that she wanted me back. >> how'd that feel? >> felt wonderful. i got her back, and she admitted it was very difficult in raising the two girls by herself. >> reporter: and their final night ended, he said, with them making love, nothing else. murder? wasn't possible, said adam. and before long, he made bail on the child custody case. and months passed. if prosecutors were ever to charge adam with samira's murder, they'd have to get around a problem. a big one. >> a neighbor of adam's came forward with some information. >> what'd he tell you? >> on the day that adam left, the morning of, he believed he observed a black female standing outside of the frasch's residence. >> reporter: he said she was tall and thin. >> who did he think it was? >> never really led on to say this is samira frasch. he just said that he saw a black female standing outside of the frasch's residence. >> but he thought it probably was her? >> i think he did. >> yeah. what time? >> he said that he and his daughter were taking a walk in the neighborhood. and this was a time period about 20 minutes before gerald gardner had discovered her. >> wait a minute. that would be, like, 10:30, or 10:20, or something like that? >> correct. >> reporter: and he was very sure about the time. very sure. no earlier than 10:25 a.m. so was it samira? the detectives were baffled. having checked the security gate cameras, they knew adam had, as he told them, left the house with the two kids around 8:00 that morning. and if the woman the neighbor saw was samira, that meant she was still alive when adam left and for a couple hours after. >> and if that person was telling the truth or it was accurate, your guy couldn't have done the crime? >> that's correct. >> reporter: and then there was another possibility, that the woman in the driveway wasn't samira at all, it was someone else entirely. and if that was true, the woman the neighbor saw, might have been the killer. >> so what did you do about it? >> for me, it was try to figure out who it is he saw. was he -- one, was he in the right driveway? two, could it have been somebody else? it was a tough -- tough situation. >> reporter: tough, yes. the cops had their work cut out for them now. how to track down the woman in the driveway. coming up. could she be someone the doctor knew? turns out he had no shortage of companionship: >> so tell me about these girlfriends. what kind of people were they? >> three of them were strippers. >> the investigation is about to get a lot more interesting. >> i never met samira. but she did leave a voicemail. she was like, call again, it's going to be a game over, okay? it's going to be a game over. >> when "dateline" continues. now, we all know progressive offers 24/7 protection, but we also bundle outdoor vehicles with home and auto to help people save more! 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>> three of them were strippers. >> so you actually found yourself kind of traveling around the state, going to strip clubs and tracking people down? >> i did. i did. not -- not the best time. >> reporter: and for each one, a question. >> you been to tallahassee? when was the last time you were at tallahassee? >> reporter: shaquita was one of the women. she fit the description of the woman the neighbor saw in the driveway that morning. >> i've never met samira. but she did leave a voicemail on my phone. she was like, "call again it's going to be game over, okay? it's going to be game over. now that triggered me to, like, stay away. >> reporter: then there was erica. also a possible match for the mystery woman. >> let me ask you a question. you know anything about samira's death? >> no, sir. i swear on my life. i don't know anything about it. >> reporter: there was also a third woman. not one of the strippers. a woman whose story was a lot more complicated. her name -- martha moore. >> somewhere between the engagement and the marriage, adam had a relationship with an individual named martha moore, and they had a child as well. >> awkward. >> slightly. >> reporter: when adam found out she was pregnant, he did the decent thing. >> put her up in a place, got her a car, always gave her money. >> reporter: samira found out about martha when she moved to florida, just before she married adam, but she went ahead with the wedding anyway. except, these things do have a way of worming themselves into a marriage. the issue didn't die. >> she made him take a dna -- to find out if it was his child or not. and then when he did and it was, then she really got upset. >> reporter: investigators naturally wanted to talk to martha. especially after they found out samira confronted her on the phone a number of times after she found out about the baby. so what happened then? >> you guys had a few run-ins down the road, didn't ya? >> mm-hmm. i left them alone. i really didn't have any run-ins with her. only thing i do is meet adam once a month, pick my money up, and we go. >> and so she did. police let her go after the interview. like the other women, she had an alibi. which detectives would have to check out of course. but in the meantime, they had another way to get at the truth. one a bit more fool-proof. >> we had an unknown dna on a robe that came off the victim in the pool. >> reporter: samira's leopard print robe. if one of those women had thrown samira into the pool, she may have left a little of herself behind. newlin got dna samples from the women. >> we tried to eliminate all of them. >> reporter: no matches. not to the women. and not to the handyman. or his son. and not to adam's friend kendall. all of them were cleared. investigators couldn't figure out who the woman in the driveway was. now they were back to square one. and they figured adam frasch was standing squarely in it. had put himself there when he claimed samira let him take the children to the beach house. >> i know she would never give the kids. this is for sure. >> reporter: and certainly not the way they were dressed. wasn't samira's style. >> the day that adam took the children to go to panama city to give samira a break, they were in pajamas. >> which simply wouldn't happen if she had anything to do with it? >> simply wouldn't happen. not at all. >> i see. >> reporter: open to interpretation, of course. like phone messages left by adam on samira's phone after his friend kendall told him she was dead. what were they to make of this? >> samira. please turn on your phone. and call me as soon as you get this message. i'm starting to worry about you, baby. please call me back. >> he had called her throughout the day, leaving voicemails. "i'm getting worried about you. why aren't you answering your phone?" >> hmm. wouldn't that suggest more innocence than guilt? >> i believe it's just another attempt at an alibi for adam frasch. >> can't win with a story like that. you believe it's an alibi, but it may just be as likely he really is terrified about her. >> when you couple a phone call that your wife is dead with the fact you call your wife, not law enforcement, to see, hey, i'm being told my wife has passed away, i have the kids, what's going on? add that to the fact that he is not supposed to have custody of the kids at all. >> it didn't make sense. >> reporter: and, you know the story adam told of that last happy day with samira? well, security camera tapes from late that night told a very different story. first at an auto repair shop. adam trying to talk to her. samira, driving, backs up the car with the door open and him in it, like she doesn't seem to want any part of it. same kind of thing when they got home. adam tries to talk to her through the car door. she slams it on him. and if a lot of this wasn't hard evidence against adam, it did make for a pretty strong circumstantial case. or so prosecutor georgia cappleman believed. so she convened a grand jury and put the case to them. and, this was unusual, adam testified. >> it didn't surprise me. he's a talker. he's, you know, smooth. he thinks he can talk his way out of things. >> reporter: not this time, apparently. adam was indicted for first degree murder. and so a jury would decide if, as one detective said, adam frasch loved his wife to death. coming up. >> did you have an opportunity to overhear an argument between mr. and mrs. frasch. >> yes, on the phone. >> damning testimony from an earwitness. >> during the time that mr. frasch was on speakerphone, did he make any threats to harm mrs. frasch? >> he did. he said, "i will kill you." >> when "dateline" continues. un? hide our skin? not us. because dupixent targets a root cause of eczema, it helps heal your skin from within, keeping you one step ahead of it. and for kids ages 6 and up, that means clearer skin, and noticeably less itch. hide my skin? not me. by helping to control eczema with dupixent, you can change how their skin looks and feels. and that's the kind of change you notice. hide my skin? not me. don't use if you're allergic to dupixent. serious allergic reactions can occur, including anaphylaxis, which is severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems, such as eye pain or vision changes, or a parasitic infection. if you take asthma medicines, don't change or stop them without talking to your doctor. when you help heal your skin from within, you can show more with less eczema. talk to your child's eczema specialist about dupixent, a breakthrough eczema treatment. lowe's showrooms have a variety of stylish flooring talk to your child's eczema specialist about dupixent, you'll love for years to come. like pergo wetprotect. and stainmaster. exclusively at lowe's. your life might change, but your flooring can last a lifetime. order now, get your flooring installed with help from lowe's. home to any budget. home to any possibility. welcome to allstate. where you can pay a little less and enjoy the ride a little more. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ now, get new lower auto rates with allstate. because better protection costs a whole lot less. you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower auto rate today. you're in good hands (sfx: video game vehicle noises, horns beeping,) (engines revving, cars hitting one another.) 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'cause it destroyed his life. >> reporter: samira's family was thousands of miles away in madagascar and france. but she did have an advocate in court, a tough and experienced prosecutor. >> the cause of death as ruled by the medical examiner was blunt-force trauma and drowning. >> he basically killed her twice. he hit her and caused such massive injuries that she probably would've died from that, very likely. but then threw her in the pool while she was still alive. >> who would do such a thing to this beautiful, young mother of two small girls? >> reporter: well, had to be adam, said the prosecutor. >> their history was probably the biggest clue that it was a homicide. >> reporter: yes. that history of excess, infidelity and conflict, which she said, led to a fatal confrontation at the swimming pool. the ugly scene was described by the handyman who discovered her body. >> there she was, laying in the pool. >> and when you say "there she was," who was? >> miss frasch laying in the pool. >> reporter: and how could the jury be sure she didn't trip and fall by accident? here was the medical examiner -- >> do you have an opinion as to whether she could've tripped and bumped her head and fallen into the pool? >> i don't think that's what happened. these are significant impacts that i don't think she would generate herself by just falling. >> can you imagine a scenario where she would have hit both sides of her head and then managed to get into the pool? >> i can't. no. >> reporter: detective tony geraldi testified and told us that when he first met dr. frasch -- >> he had some -- some scratches, some significant marks that not a normal person would have. >> reporter: well, how'd he get them? did he tell you? >> so he told investigators some of the marks were from him and his wife, samira, having sexual intercourse the night before, so they were love marks. >> reporter: my goodness. >> the specific one under his eye he shared with us that his ten month old child had scratched him. >> reporter: you're about to hear a recorded conversation. the prosecutor made sure the jury would hear the detectives' skepticism about those scratches. by playing recordings of the interrogation. >> the baby was playing around and she always kind of grabs at my eye and face and stuff. >> so you're trying to make me believe that a 10-month-old has nails enough to make that type of scratch on your face? >> yeah. >> reporter: the prosecutor argued that adam killed samira before leaving for the beach at 8 a.m. on the stand, the m.e. testified that the time of death was unknowable. >> there's no way of saying the exact time of death. or i should say, once she's placed in the pool. there's just no way to say. >> reporter: to prosecutor cappleman, not knowing when samira died simply meant dr. frasch could not be ruled out. he must have killed her before leaving the house at 8. and the way he drove off with the girls that morning? very suspicious. >> really unusual that he would depart with those kids at 8:00 a.m. after getting in at midnight the night before. and to load up and pack up and take the kids for the first time ever off on a trip somewhere. his wife happens to be discovered dead a few hours later. >> reporter: after, said the prosecutor, the doctor sped away with the kids toward a woman named martha moore, the other woman that whom he'd had a baby. martha was called to testify about a phone call she got from frasch that morning. >> reporter: what did he say on that call? >> he said, he was on his way to my house. >> reporter: why did you put martha moore on the stand? >> to establish that the defendant called her first. and he was headed in the direction of her home, i believe, to drop the kids off there. that was probably his intention. and then to flee. >> reporter: that was really only speculation, of course, and martha wasn't home that morning anyway. but on the stand, she acknowledged it seemed unusual the girls would be alone with adam. >> you know, they were going through the battle of divorce, and in the court orders, he shouldn't have had the kids. >> reporter: to prosecutor cappleman, it was a bad set of facts for adam, a scorned husband with ample time to commit murder before hastily fleeing the scene with kids who were not supposed to be in his care. >> mr. frasch, did they read you your miranda rights? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: cappleman played more than an hour of frasch speaking to investigators, homing in on his demeanor in the hours after samira's death. >> you done sat up here and broke down in your own way of crying, i don't know how many times and not one tear has dropped out of your eye yet. >> i -- i'm already teared out. six hours here, sir. >> reporter: frasch spoke with several law enforcement officers in those early hours. lieutenant chad king was one of them. >> tears? >> no. >> reporter: steven wilson said he helped samira set up a website. he recounted something he said he heard with his own ears less than two weeks before samira was killed. >> did you have an opportunity to overhear an argument between mr. and mrs. frasch? >> yes, on the phone. >> and during the time that mr. frasch was on speakerphone, did he make any threats to harm mr. frasch? >> he did. >> what'd he say? >> he said, i will kill you. >> reporter: "i will kill you." the words of a man who looked guilty at every turn, said the prosecutor. of course the evidence was circumstantial, disputed. but there was one more player waiting in the wings. and what a story he would tell. coming up -- that tale would lead investigators back to the frasch house and a dramatic discovery. >> bingo. >> yeah, bingo. i literally looked at it for a minute. i was, like, seriously? >> when "dateline" continues. betty is saving big, holiday shopping at amazon. so now, she's free to become ... bear hug betty. settle in kids, you'll be there a while. ooo, where you going? 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he hit her in the head? >> with a club, golf club. he said he didn't mean to kill her. it just happened, and he got scared and ran and so put her in the pool and then ran. >> reporter: in a largely circumstantial case, here was an account of exactly what happened, allegedly, from the killer himself. >> a defendant with any sense, going to tell somebody what happened when he hasn't gone on trial yet? >> they do it all the time. if they had any sense they wouldn't be defendants. >> well, i suppose there's that. >> you got nothing to do all day but stare at those four walls. i mean, you got to talk to somebody, right? >> yeah. >> if it's a piece of evidence, i'm going to put it on, and it's going to be up to the jury to decide whether he's credible or not. >> reporter: it was up to investigator newlin to vet dale folsom's story, find evidence it was actually true. and he came up with something, came up with something almost too good to be true. newlin testified that when folsom was about to be released from jail, dr. frasch asked him to take care of something. something in his house. >> i'll never forget dale telling me. he said adam told him to get rid of the golf clubs any way, anyhow. throw them in a lake, throw them in a river. do not give them to anyone. just make them go away. >> reporter: make them go away. folsom said there was no mistaking that frasch meant that he wanted him to get rid of those golf clubs, which would include, of course, the one frasch said he used to hit samira, the murder weapon. >> did he tell you a specific golf club that needed to be gotten? >> yes, ma'am. a big club like a driver, big, fat one. >> reporter: and now in court, a real life perry mason moment. >> this is state's exhibit 121. >> reporter: investigator newlin took a big fat golf club out of an evidence box so the jury could have a good look. >> this is the golf club. >> the one with the purple club head? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: how did newlin get that club? well, folsom never did make it to the house. so newlin got a search warrant, and went for a little look-around. >> i went into the master bedroom, and there's this golf club just sitting in the corner, and part of me laughed inside. >> bingo. >> yeah, bingo. >> it must've looked like a beautiful, big, fat piece of evidence that would help make the case into a slam dunk. >> i literally looked at it for a minute. i was like, seriously? when i actually went up to the golf club and photographed it, and collected it, there was cobwebs on it. it had been there for a little while. i mean, it wasn't overnight. >> reporter: this was one for the books; a jailhouse snitch supported by actual evidence, and cappleman had one more surprise. she called crime lab analyst and dna expert jo ellen brown. >> i received or was able to develop a complete dna profile from the club portion that hits the ball, and that dna profile matches samira frasch, and the frequency of occurrence was one in 510 quintillion. >> reporter: and there it was. the story of samira frasch's murder, wrapped up for the jury in a tidy package, thanks to dale folsom. but, did the doctor really confess? this was, after all, still a story coming from a jailhouse snitch, and the golf club with samira's dna on it? maybe not quite so obvious after all. defense attorneys were about to take on dale folsom, and his story, and they couldn't wait. coming up -- the prosecution's timeline, on trial. >> the absence of wrinkling of fingers or toes speaks to the likelihood that she has been immersed for a relatively short period of time. >> testimony that samira may have died later than the prosecutor contends. >> the greatest probability is that she died after 8:00 a.m. >> in other words, after dr. a frasch had left the house. when "dateline" continues. inues. charmin ultra soft has so much cushiony softness, it's hard for your family to remember they can use less. sweet pillows of softness! this is soft! holy charmin! oh! excuse me! roll it back, everybody! sorry! charmin ultra soft is so cushiony soft, you'll want more! but it's so absorbent, you can use less. so it's always worth it. now, what did we learn about using less? 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>> it's not relevant. >> ahh. is it? because insurance paid out, right, which was very unusual in a case like this. >> i mean he had -- he had money. i mean you can see the pictures of his lifestyle. he had money. he had assets. >> reporter: the taylors started the defense with this moment, captured on video. february 22, 2014, 8 a.m. adam frasch and his daughters leaving their gated community. if samira was killed after this, adam didn't do it. >> there's a huge problem with their timeline. that's reasonable doubt. >> reporter: the timeline presented by the prosecution was, in fact, quite vague. the m.e. who did the autopsy testified it was impossible to say, really, how long samira had been in the pool before she was found. that was a worry for prosecutor georgia cappleman. >> usually we get a window of maybe two to five hours for a time of death. so it's not a precise science, but we weren't even able to do that in this case. >> reporter: the defense aggressively leaped into the void, arguing the evidence could establish a time of death. >> i personally performed about 3,000 forensic autopsies. >> reporter: they brought in their own forensic pathologist, dr. jonathan arden. dr. arden focused on three things to show when samira died. first, rigor mortis had not set in. next, there was none of the telltale skin discoloration that occurs soon after death when blood settles due to gravity. >> what was the last factor? >> it was the wrinkling of the fingers and toes. >> reporter: finally, samira's fingertips and toes were not written =ed when she was found, not even a little. >> the absence of any such wrinkling of fingers or toes speaks to the likelihood that she has been immersed for a relatively short period of time. >> even if you take a shower or a bath or jump in a pool, sometimes within 20 or 30 minutes you got wrinkling of the fingers and the toes. >> even if you're dead? >> period. >> reporter: no rigor mortis. no settling of blood. no wrinkled skin. it all pointed to the same thing. >> in my opinion, she was dead for a relatively short time before she was discovered and removed from the water. >> would you say mrs. frasch died before or after 8 a.m.? >> i would say that the greatest probability is that she died after 8:00 a.m. >> do we know exactly what happened? who knows? um, the state really wasn't even very specific with their theory. >> reporter: for the defense, this was a case of when, not what. >> it was after he left, therefore everything else is irrelevant. >> reporter: but there was more, after listening to the science, the jury heard from an eyewitness. >> decided to go for a little walk around our neighborhood. >> reporter: matt christiansen is the neighbor who said he just happened to be walking past the frasch house that very morning. he was a mild mannered, measured witness, but his testimony was explosive. >> what did you observe? >> i saw a woman, african-american, tall, dark hair, thin. >> is there any doubt in your mind you saw a slender, tall, black woman loading something into a vehicle in that driveway? >> no. >> between 10:25 and 10:45 on the 22nd of february 2014? >> there is not. >> he was very specific on his time he and his daughter were walking by the house. they often looked at that house because there were all sorts of cars parked there. he looks down, he sees the vehicle by the garage door. and he sees a tall, slender, black female who looked like a model entering or exiting the car, going toward the house. >> reporter: when they showed him a photo of samira, christainsen couldn't say for sure that was the woman he'd seen. but if it was samira in her driveway around 10:30 that morning, it would give adam an air-tight alibi. >> he couldn't specifically identify that person as ms. frasch, but everything else about that description fits. >> this was a big deal. and the prosecutors knew it. >> this was a credible person, right? >> yes,i think he was wrong. i don't think he was lying. >> of course, you -- >> but so -- >> -- think he's wrong. but he -- he thought he was right. >> he did. >> pretty certain of it? >> yes, he was. >> reporter: the neighbor had credibility, not a quality, said the defense, possessed by adam frash's cellmate, dale folsom, the jailhouse snitch. if a snitch is the witness the prosecutor hates to love, he's also a witness the defense loves to hate. >> we love snitches, don't we? tell me what you know about this particular one. >> well, he's a career criminal. started with his first convictions back in about 1990. >> reporter: in court, attorney taylor, the father, went right after folsom. he did not spare the rod. >> it's my understanding you've got, was it four or 40 prior felony convictions? >> forty, four-zero. >> forty? >> yes, sir. >> do you have any pending charges? >> i have one. >> what is that pending charge? >> possession of methamphetamine. i've done almost every drug there is, sir. i've been a drug addict since i was 9 years old. so i've done them all just about. >> give me a break. this guy was outrageous. >> reporter: what was more, folsom had an arrangement with prosecutors. he was released from jail on probation in exchange for his testimony about frasch. taylor made sure the jury knew all about that. >> you'd do anything to stay out and keep yourself out of jail, isn't that true? >> most people would. >> mean anything to you to raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth, so help you god? >> of course it does. i have a degree in theology. i went to bible college. >> and that's what you do, you're a truthful guy, right? >> most of the time, i try to be. >> when you're writing bad checks, stealing from people, and doing drugs? that's all i have got, judge. >> reporter: the defense may have destroyed the messenger, but they still had to deal with his message, folsom's story about that golf club with samira's dna on it. completely meaningless, said taylor. that golf club belonged to samira. of course her dna would be on it. >> they say, well, she's got dna on it. anybody that plays golf knows if you don't have head covers, you pull your club out of the bag with your hands, and you grab the head. >> wasn't it blood and hair and things like that on that golf club? >> no. no, no, no. >> just touch dna? >> correct. correct. how convenient was that? >> reporter: so convenient, according to the defense, that it was downright suspicious. >> lo and behold, here comes folsom. he's got his story, and the law enforcement guys go out there, and what do they find? they find this magic golf club. planted evidence. no question in my mind. >> reporter: investigators emphatically denied any wrongdoing over the golf club. but in the end, all that hoo-haw about the club was quite possibly a total red herring. because? the state's own medical examiner testified that samira's injuries were not caused by any golf club. >> do you think that that purple golf club could have been responsible for the injuries that mrs. frasch received? >> i don't think so. the pattern that she had was more diffuse. >> and in your opinion, are the injuries more consistent with a fist than a golf club being the instrument used to inflict them? >> yes. >> reporter: so that was that. the state's case had taken some very big hits. so it was no time for grand gestures, like defendant testimony. >> you do not desire to testify; that is correct? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: dr. frasch remained mum, and it was with an air of confidence that the defense rested. >> judge, at this time the defense would rest. >> reporter: unaware, that in a case full of surprises, there was one more to come. coming up -- the first surprise? the speed of the verdict. >> when they came back quick, i thought it was going to be good news. >> the second surprise, a new revelation that could turn the case upside down. >> that was absolutely stunning, and we were what are they talking about? >> when "dateline" continues. my family encouraged: kindness, honesty and hard work. over time, i've come to add a fourth: be curious. be curious about the world around us, and then go. go with an open heart, and you will find inspiration anew. viking. exploring the world in comfort. ♪ this is how we do it.. ♪ turns out, montell jordan knows how to do almost everything. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage, go with the general. and nearly 60 years of quality coverage, (sfx: video game vehicle noises, horns beeping,) (engines revving, cars hitting one another.) 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no confident evidence of that. none. scientific evidence says no. the defendant has not been proven guilty in this case. >> it did check out. >> reporter: prosecutor georgia cappleman had the last word. >> all of the evidence points not to a mystery killer but to this defendant. this was a personal crime, and who had the motive to kill this woman? only one person. >> reporter: cappleman spoke to the evidence, but passions were not far from the surface. >> and as she lay there on the concrete fighting for her life, the man that she trusted to make her dreams come true put her body in that pool. please render a verdict of guilty as charged. >> reporter: and then there was nothing left to do but wait. >> it's always troublesome when a jury goes out. it's a sick feeling until you get your answer. >> how worried was she? >> pretty worried. i mean, the neighbor and the time of death bothered her. >> reporter: both sides settled in for a long wait. but just 90 minutes into deliberations, word of a verdict. >> i thought they would be out for a while. and when they came back quick, i thought it was going to be good news. >> i thought just the opposite. well, i thought they'd be out for a while, but when they came back that quick, i figured it was bad news. >> reporter: as they all waited for the words. faces were taut. anxious. >> state of florida versus adam frasch. we, the jury, find as follows: as to the indictment, the defendant is guilty of first degree murder. >> reporter: guilty. frasch stared blankly then dropped his head under the weight of the verdict. >> how did dr. frasch take it? >> hard. he was believing in the jury system. >> reporter: on the prosecution side, gratitude. >> i was really happy with the verdict. it was a culmination of a lot of hard work. >> reporter: but was that the final word? after the verdict, a surprise. before the judge delivered the mandatory sentence, life in prison, no parole, cappleman read a letter from samira's mother, written in madagascar. this was not a typical victim impact statement. it included something that sounded a lot like evidence. >> according to samira, she had noticed the presence of someone prowling in their home nights before death. >> reporter: a prowler? the jury never heard about any prowler. and, said defense attorney taylor, neither did he. >> that was absolutely stunning. and we were -- did she just read -- was there something -- what are they talking about? because the defense never had been advised that there may have been a prowler in the home within a day or two of the death. it has to be disclosed under the law. >> that's the best we could do on the transition. >> reporter: prosecutor cappleman countered that she didn't withhold anything. the letter was written in french and sent for translation. she only learned what was in it when she read the letter aloud in court. as for adam frasch, he'll spend the rest of his days behind bars. >> when you understood that you were going away for life, what is that like? >> i pray to god, you know, you -- say you won't give anything more than i can handle. but this is almost more than i can handle. >> so let me just ask you directly. did you kill your wife? >> no. i never harmed my wife. i never even -- you know, i loved her more than anything in this world. >> you loved a lot of women in your life. >> not really. she was my first true love. >> love of your life? >> love of my life. >> reporter: frasch is unwavering about that, a convicted murderer who's still saying he is innocent and misunderstood. >> i'm not saying i'm perfect. but you know, i've tried to live a good life and help people and enjoy life. >> reporter: those two little girls who samira pampered and promoted and loved, they went to live with adam frasch's brother in a state far away. an existence untroubled by conflict and no longer over-the-top. >> her children are her legacy and i hope one day to have the opportunity to tell them that they had a great mother. >> reporter: samira's youtube videos are still online, of online, of course, unkillable artifacts of a broken dream and a life that was passionate and beguiling and brief. i'm natalie morales and this is "dateline." >> they told me that this vehicle had gone off the road, and into this creek bed. >> she was face-up in about ankle-deep water. >> she's got severe injuries to her head. >> little did you know the mystery that was about to unfold. >> i go into the living room and i see blood all over the place. i went into the bathroom. there's more blood. >> the whole time wee

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