katty kay is with us this morning. joe, you got the end of this block to talk about the red sox. >> oh. you got up way too late last night so we are starting on time this morning. there were a number of developments since we left you on friday with the investigation into the january 6th attack of the capitol. the biden white house rejected a request by former president trump to use executive privilege to withhold documents under federal law the current president has the power to wave executive privilege claims by past presidents. in a letter to the national archives obtained by nbc news, white house council writes, president biden has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the best interests of the united states. and therefore it's not justified to as to any of the documents, the white house now is authorizing the national archives to turnover an initial batch of documents covering trump's actions on january 6th including his rally at the ellipse. mr. trump issued a lengthy statement criticizing democrats and the probe. he formally asserted privilege with the national archives over the approximately 40 documents being sent to the committee and any others in the future. white house officials told nbc news on friday they'll reiterate the waver of privilege which trump will challenge in court. let's bring in our correspondent at politico, bethany swan. >> on the latest along with the news that mika just read, what are we looking for over the next week or two? >> we are keeping an eye on whether trump follows through the threat he made and sues the archives to block them. on the one hand, trump has been explicit in multiple communications he sent you in saying he'll do everything he can to protect his executive privilege. on the other hand, sometimes trump does not do what he says he's going to do. so we have to bear in mind in that case. trump historically had a hard time building good lawyer teams now more than ever. for all the obvious reasons and in addition to all the obvious reasons because he has a history of not paying his lawyers. there is a bunch of lawyers out there who's doing pro bono work. >> trump only has a limited amount of time to bring a lawsuit if he decides to bring one. at some point the national archives are going to send the materials over the select committee. that's the ball game. that's the big pressing question for the next week or two. does trump follow through and bring this litigation and how do things proceed from there. the other question is how does the january 6th elect committee tries to enforce its subpoenas where trump is telling witnesses not to cooperate because of this claim of executive privilege that's made. those are the two pressing immediate issues. >> and of course the house minority leader donald trump calls steve, kevin mccartney, congress does not have the authority to ask for records pertaining into the investigation of the january 6th attack. listen. >> this is a select committee that's not a bipartisan committee for the first time in history nancy pelosi picked who could be on this committee. what they're trying to do is missing the two main points. why were we so ill prepared on january 6th and how do we make sure we will never be in this position again. congress does not have the right to go after mine or your phone records. the supreme court has made this ruling. it's interesting how far they want to control and where they want to go. >> it's a really good thing, you can't get arrested for washington, d.c. for stupidity. for that clip, dave, first of all, i know -- is not bipartisan because mitch mcconnell and the republicans killed the bipartisan bicameral investigation. if you kill a bipartisan of january 6th investigation. well, good luck complaining about it later. and secondly saying that congress can't subpoena by phone records or your records or his phone records is prosperous. they do it all the time. >> congress has subpoena powers and subpoenas are not optional. if january 6th committee wants to refer non compliance of the full house. those individuals who defy subpoenas can't be prosecuted under contempt of congress which will get you between one month and jail in a year and up to $100,000 fine if you are talking about serious stuff. if you want low-hanging fruit, joe, go after steve bannon first. he stopped working for the administration in august of 2017. any claims of executive privilege, after all he's not a lawyer, that would fall flat and laugh out of court. >> yeah. hey, jonathan. it would be one thing if donald trump had a lackey working for him at the justice department but he does not. you got a professional merrick garland running the justice department. a lot of claims are falling on deaf ears. what can we expect coming out of this request? >> the current white house made clear that they are not incline to giving president trump any assistance on this. this seems to be the exception. j this needs to be something that's thoroughly investigated. they ordered that bipartisan commission that minority leader mcconnell killed and now are backing the select committee. there is seemingly not going to be much traction to this president's request, joe. the politics are going to play out. will these former aides show up. how can they defy us? they would never do these things. that's different now. he's not the president anymore. this is going to be a significant political issue even as the former president continues to find is unfounded claim of election fraud and as he continues to return to the political stage. >> you know, katty, obviously claims executive privilege are respected to one to another, are domestic policymaking, there is an iron-dome of sorts around that. and one justice department is going usually follow along and follow what the justice department in the past administration have ruled. but in this case, you are talking about conspiracy to commit sedition, you are talking about a riot that the white house may have known about beforehand, apparently did know about beforehand and did very little to discourage and may even encourage for that reason. does it seem unlikely at best this justice department is going to do, he thinks help donald trump covers up possible sedition conspiracy. >> this is a useful reminder of what executive privilege is there for. it's not there to protect the individuals who was president or is president. it's there to protect the republic, to protect the united states of america. and, it's deemed that the person who has the best opinion or the pest possibility of having the right opinion whether something is good for the public, i think you are right, it's unlikely that this justice department and this white house is going to do anything and going after their way to protect donald trump over protecting the rights of the republic. betsy, if you look at the opinion polling, there is some sense of urgency here. the further we get from january 6th, the more republicans certainly feel not that important to fine and prosecute, how does that sense public opinion shifting away from the sense of urgency against this investigation play into the legal factors and how this rolls next. the other two tracks the white house and congress need to keep an eye on? >> the select committee feels a lot of time pressure in this case in part of public opinion polls. as the date for january 6th proceeds, republican efforts try to reshift or paper over or whitewash the course of that day are continuing and in some ways becoming more effective with republican base. the other sort of time pressure is the fact that democrats on capitol hill who i speak to are concerned they're going to lose control of the house in the midterms. they feel they need to get this whole thing done before the midterm election happens. if the -- there is a decent chance they won't get nearly of the level of documents they want. it takes years. so a challenge for the select committee right now is do they try to get the national archives to speed up the typical timeline by which they turn over documents or do they use the thread of prosecution from doj to get these witnesses who have been defiant to come through and testify. >> one other thing i think is worth knowing is mark meadows who is the one that's most persuasive, he was chief of staff to the president on january 6th, he's engaing with the select committee. the fact that he's engaging, he's communicating with these investigators signaling he's not going to stiff-arm them. i think it kind of tells you what you need to know about the leverage that this committee has going forward and the likelihood they'll get actual serious inside the room and new on the record detail relating to what happened that day. >> dave, we'll have the biggest challenge, good luck with that. i don't think he'll be able to get it, bannon. let's talk about meadows and patel. these are three people again that were in the white house when the riots were going on when these acts of sedition were going on. attempts to stop the constitutional counting of the electoral votes. so again, i go back to the question, what justice department is going to extend any privilege to a group of people who were inside a room where sedition against the united states of america may have been taken place. >> yeah, they may try to executive privilege as a defend. it's not a get out of jail free-card and it does not apply here. it has to be invoked by the current president and not the former one. there is some wiggle room because this area of law is not extensively litigated. i think it will be a long shot. a long shot. on the other hand, bannon does not have any right to make that claim. we'll see what happens. the bigger question here, joe, is not whether the department of justice can prosecute these individuals for contempt of congress to defy the subpoenas. the question is whether they will. he's shown that he may not be as aggressive or fearless as we need during this time. we shall see. >> thank you both very much for being on this morning. the big lie is alive and well among republican leadership. yesterday steve scalise repeatedly refused to say the 2020 election was not stolen when pressed by chris wallace on fox news on sunday. >> do you think the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump? >> chris, i have been clear from the beginning. if you look at the number, states did not follow their state's past laws that governs for the president. >> do you think the election is stolen? >> last time, i promise. do you think the election is stolen or not? >> it's not just regulations, it's the states that did not follow law sets. when you see georgia is cleaning up their mess and people calling it jim crow law, that's a flat out lie. >> it's unbelievable. it's really unbelievable. >> look at liz cheney's respond. >> that's really sleazy, it's cynical and dispecable, it's deplorable. >> still lying and spreading lies for your constituents for the american people about what happened in last year's election is deplorable. when you have trump's justices across the united states saying there is no fraud and the supreme court of the united states yes, in pennsylvania, the supreme court let overrode what the states legislatures did. it's not going to change the outcome of the election said aledo in thomas. let's take a look at it because it may have influence future elections. >> how about common sense. he knows better? >> of course. >> this had nothing to do with him lacking common sense. it had everything to do with republicans lacking common decency, who understands a peaceful transition is the most decent thing we can do and our men and women fought for and died for through the years. it does not work if you only respect elections when your side wins. that's what they do in communist countries. that's what they do in countries, hey, steve scalise, that's not what they do here. go back and i think you need to go back take some civic classes. maybe they got a civic class where they live in a community college and relearn civics. this is absolutely -- despicable a year later. >> so liz cheney responded to the scalise's comment in a tweet that reads in part, perpetuating the big lie is an attack on the core of our constitution republic. >> it attacks katty kay, the core of democracy which is again it depends on men and women of good faith on both sides accepting election results even when it does not go your way. the judges, all the trump's judges and most elected leaders in the republican party are now admitting yes, donald trump won. here we have the number two house republicans, lying to his constituents and the american people. not being able to say joe biden was elected president. >> you had a couple of real indicators over the course of this weekend. you had scalise refusing repeatedly, even after court after court around the country has ruled indeed he won the election. then you have chuck grassley on saturday night standing alongside donald trump effectively endorsing donald trump and having himself after january 6th of donald trump's behavior around skran january 6th and the insurrection was a terrible thing. this weekend was a real turning point where the republican party feels donald trump is and donald trump's chances of running again and winning the nomination again and their own fear in standing up. it's impossible to believe that scalise after all of these court cases really believes the election was stolen. the only reason he's doing it is to carry favors with donald trump and his supporters. >> it's such political day-trading with a party helicoptering to shrink because of donald trump. you look around and see how well the republicans did across the nation with the 2020 election even though they lost again in the house. they did much better in the house and state legislatures than anybody would have thought they would have done. he offended suburban voters and educated voters. we had riots launched against the united states, sponsored by donald trump and brought to thank you by donald trump. a man who refused to call them off while they were going on. anyway, a lot of controversies there. i am not so sure jonathan lemire there is more controversy there than there was in fenway last night. let's get to the highlights. let's talk through this. >> the stakes were just as high, our future of democracy in the balance of the after math at fenway park last night. here is the play. you can see this. it bounces off and goes into the bullpen. if that ball stayed in the field, the runner would score. and it's automatic two bases and the umpire does not have the discretion. the mlb after the game says the umpire delivered it correctly and what happened then? the race should have the league at the top of the 13th, there he is. christian vasquez, somehow and some way, the red sox are leading the series. they got a chance to finish this today. i may note, today is marathon day in boston. it was postponed because of the pandemic. that's happening today. this will be the day to do it to finish the series. the only problem, i have no idea who's pitching. >> yeah, they got him out there. it takes 12 hours to loosen him up. for people who want to know about what happened last night, the ball bounces off the player, it goes out and a ground rule double because it hits the ground. some of us remember what happened to jose consecu, the ground ball hits the top of his ball and boinks. >> if a ball hits player before a player has control of the ball and at the top of his cranium is not control of the ball and goes over the fence. that's a homer. i am sure they'll be talking about as the rule changes over the year. in the offseason but i am not exactly sure how you change that rule if you are a tampa fan. you go to feel like you are ripped off at the same time. i don't know how exactly they adjust that rule because of all the intended consequences. some other games, the white sox took it to the astros. >> yeah, they did. they had dropped the first two games of the series and fell behind early last night and came storming back. houston still have two games to one. the white sox, they got good team, they can really hit. we could see game five there as well if chicago can pull it off. we know as much as race fans understandably or upset of the rule call. they got the beneficiary, they were the beneficiary of an unusual rule there. >> we have pivotal game threes in both of the national league series braves and brewers. >> yeah, those series in the national league is 1-1 and the brewers locked up with one and same with the dodgers and the giants. those are two teams of 215 wins between them, close to 215 wins between them. and also, very interesting, alex was just reminding me about astros last night. very curious indeed they were not hitting pitches in chicago that they were easily to hit in their home field. i had add good friend of mine about a decade ago. i am not saying they cheat at home, he was showing me statistics about how they do so much better at home and seemed to pick up pitches at home. after all of the scandal and after all the chaos of what happened in those years. here we are on the other side of it and we are still hearing from baseball players before the mlb investigations they are still doing something so the white sox claims to get an advantage. >> yeah, i think whether they are or not, i applaud for the white sox to bring it up. this hangs over the astros. it's their own fault. they did it. they were busted for doing so. there are a lot of dodgers fans who believe the 2017 world series were stolen from them because the astros were found to be cheating during that season and their yankees fans feel the same way. they get better at home. they decidedly do. whether they cheated or not, the white house bringing it up right now adds the mix and destruction can only be to their benefit going forward and how the astros hit today. >> so, it's also marathon season. it's fair enough to say there is chicago over the weekend. jonathan lemire, was this with you being a track star. were there pictures? >> whoa! what's going on here? >> where is this? >> look at the quads on that guy? >> yeah, that's marathon from homeland. look at that. >> whoo, that guy looks good. >> i can't get that fast anymore. i never ran a marathon and i never ran more than three or four miles but i was in high school. i ran track. a bit of a sprinter and my may say my senior years, i finished as the second fastest man in senior year. >> yeah, that's obviously a sad year for massachusetts' track and field. >> it's a complete lack of interests in track. he came in second. >> okay, i am glad to see so many runners. >> i am thinking about running. >> yeah, i am not. >> is willie training for the new york marathon? >> i think he is. >> wow. >> willie is running a marathon this year. >> willie is running the new york marathon. >> come on y'all. >> we have to come out there and cheer them on. i guess it's too late. still ahead on "morning joe," republican members of the january 6th select committee, adam kinzinger is our guest this morning. plus, thousands of travelers stranded around the country after southwest airlines cancelled nearly 2,000 flights over the weekend. what is behind those grounded flights and a look at the latest project from a pair of hollywood veterans. ron and clint howard is joining us. you are watching "morning joe ", we'll be right back. 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>> yeah, it's gorgeous. i have not heard from him from a while. >> yeah, they have been strangely silent. it's silent and it's not much going on. it's been about a week's time since i heard anything about the yankees. >> for a city that big, i bet they won over decades, right? >> yeah. they won dozens. i am checking my notes here, it seems like they won just one and the century the red sox from the team from the smaller city, north of here -- >> hold on a second. >> i want to get this right. you are telling me a city that big, i am looking at huge payroll. they only won one world series this entire century? >> yeah. >> i had to double check it. >> dang. the small team to the north won four. these two teams we mentioned. >> the last three times they played was 2004? >> the red sox. >> 2018? and again, not the big city. not the yankees. no, it was the other one. >> really? >> last week, 2021, a small group of under dogs, three in a row. >> it's very strange. >> i don't understand it. >> by the way, alex is trying to say they also won the last century. i know how we do things but the new century is really 2001. that's really something. you got this out of gotham and you got a team that i think i have always said it and ester newberg agrees with me. i think i can, i think i can. i know i can. it shows you the power of positive thinking. >> they're cute when they jump in that box after making a home run. >> tension between china and taiwan is on the rise and some fear making it growing into a larger conflict. >> reporter: taiwan marked its national day with flags and defiance. the island's president vowing taiwan will not be forced to china. taiwan is standing on the front line of defending democracy. china viewed taiwan as their national territory. >> the complete reunification of our country must be realized. china has been pushing that point. in the past week sending nearly 150 war planes into taiwan's air defense zone, missiles system to deploy. >> that would be dangerous for the entire region. >> reporter: u.s. officials say they are concerned of all the provocations here and war in china gains hostile pressure. >> this is about china increasing challenges and also threatening to displace the value of defying us. >> reporter: u.s. does not take sides in the dispute between taiwan. there are reports of training, too. >> reporter: taiwan is seen as essential shoot for president biden. military confrontations over taiwan is not imminent but is also not impossible. >> joining us now, richard haus. thank you for being here. what's the hope that this virtual summit will produce in terms of trying to find solutions? >> solutions is one of the words i never use when it comes to china, united states and taiwan. this has been managed for the best part of 40 or 50 years. if we are lucky, we'll continue to go on managing it through diplomatic finesse. solution would be the chinese using force against taiwan and the united states would be faced with the reality that we have to decide in a matter of minutes or hours how to try to close that gap. >> relations go up and down and they have done historically and back in '96, we show the chinese launched missiles and america had to intervene there. does this compare to that time? how woried about these bussing by the chinese aircrafters of taiwanese base? >> china is in many ways the world's largest -- we saw how they ignored their international obligations to hong kong. you got a leader in china who abolished term limits and making this part of his legacy, bringing taiwan into the fold. you have a china that's no longer growing at high economics rate. in some way china has peaked. there are those in china who sees this as the one way they can satisfy nationalism that has grown in this country. i would say we ought to take this really seriously. plus, if china were to move against taiwan and i am not predicting this. if the united states were not to act for whatever reasons, this would be a transformational movement. this would be the end of -- >> you are there, richard? >> i think we may have lost richard. yeah, he's frozen for a little bit. jonathan lemire, while we are waiting for richard to come back online again. i hate to state this, he's a yankees fan, we are not really surprised he's having trouble with his equipment. but, i am curious of what did you hear from the white house? richard is right, we can't sit back quietly and do nothing if china decides to invade taiwan. every option, this white house or any white house would have in that scenario. they are bad options. >> i think richard knew i was getting the next question. the white house is watching us nervously. there has been new hopes for president biden to meet with the president of beijing. xi jinping is not going and therefore turning down that invitation. they'll have expectations very low on that not just because of the nature of virtual summit makes it difficult. that's not possible through zoom. but, yeah there are options here and there are no good options. it comes at a moment where there has been an attempt to have all branch of china. u.s. trade representatives met with her counter part to talk about how china had not been in compliance with the trade deal the trump administration struck. jake sullivan met and talked about his variety of issues including this, there is no sense of no real movement here until there is real leader meetings and real principles meeting. it's not clear what it will be. they'll host the olympic games in a few months and covid continues of its origin of the virus. >> taiwan trying to not agitate china and allowing them to be china. is there no doubt if communist china invaded taiwan. united states would be faced with a lot of difficult choices but sitting back and doing nothing as richard was saying may not be an option. it would shatter, absolutely shatter american reputation across the globe. >> china knows that. unless it's so interesting listening to the viewpoint of beijing. academic in beijing who's close to the chinese government, he was making all of beijing's cases for why they feel they need to move onto taiwan. he made it sound like it was a case of urgency. he pointed to the fact that you now got a whole generation of taiwanese who were younger. he was painting that as a crisis. they feel taiwanese this academic close to the chinese government saying hong kong is wonderful and there is no protests or demonstrations. there is no protest and it's booming again and that's what we would like to see as well. it was really interesting listening to that tone from beijing. they felt a sense of urgency about it. that would put like you say, joe, the united states in an incredibly difficult position. if china were to move on hong kong's military. it's not easy to do that and we have got to get along the strip of water. it's not an easy operation. it puts america marker effectively does america sees itself as a global super power or has it seized their position when it comes to the middle east. >> richard, we got you back. you would agree with me that i am pretty sure doing nothing is not an option if china were to move on taiwan. what is the very least that we would have to do if this happen sns. happens? >> putting u.s. forces in the region tightening our coordination with japan, and japan would be critical to hear. in some ways being explicit. we have never been explicit about our preparedness when it comes to taiwan's defense. i would move to a position of america's clarity. if china did act by design or an accident, they grew up and escalated, yes, i believe the united states would have to under take a wide range of military operations. potentially their bases on the mainland. we are talking about war here. let's not sugar coat it. >> it worries me is not the whack job. the gap in our public conversation, it's good that we are having this conversation this morning. this is something that the biden administration needs to talk about with congress and the american people. we never want to get into this situation where the country does not understand the commitment and interests at stake and what it may mean if these scenarios may come to pass. >> richard, let's look unfortunately at our recent history. we are going to iraq, we cut and run and we leave a void and because of that void, isis grows up, we eventually grow back and we abandon our allies. we had ukraine signed an international treaty saying we will give up our nuclear weapons and in exchange you will protect our territorial sovereignty. we didn't do that. a lot of americans may not remember what happened but the chinese know that. you look at what happened of the ban of the curds when donald trump decided to turn syria over to putin and look at what happened to joe biden. he left and took everybody out of afghanistan. didn't have the will to keep 2500 people in afghanistan to say donald trump didn't have the will to keep 2500 people in syria who are making a great as difference there. how does joe biden say to the chinese, afghanistan is afghanistan, taiwan is crossing a completely separate line and it's something that you don't want to do. we want to build our relationships with you, not go to war. >> well, i am worried that some young chinese analysts written the exact memo that you just gone through and told the leadership that the americans are not ready and able to come to taiwan's defense. xi jinping who's a man in a hurry may be tempted. i think this virtual summit is one way joe biden can be explicit. let the chinese know. we are not changing the basics about our diplomatic positions about the so-called one china policy. if you move against taiwan, we'll be there to help them and it will be catastrophic for your country and we got to match that. those are the things that united states have to deal with. this is potentially the dangerous place on earth right now. there is not public understanding. >> it's three minutes past the top of the hour and we are talking about richard haus about a number of headlines starting off the week including this. taliban leaders were quote candid and professional. taliban officials and the u.s. met in doha yesterday. in a statement, state department spokesperson, ned price, wrote. "the u.s. delegations focused on security and terrorism concerns and safe passage for u.s. citizens. the taliban will be judged on its actions and not only its words." richard, i wonder if you can define this relationship with the taliban and what hope it had in succeeding? >> it's interesting. we are moving in the direction where you may describe as a transactional relationship between the united states and taliban. we want to get people out safely and we want to see the taliban meeting some pledges of fighting terrorism. the taliban really worked. it's something else that have to govern a country and they face enormous challenges from millions of internally displaced people to simply making the economy work and also they're battling groups like isis and al-qaida. now they got to decide what the do with afghanistan. the idea that there may be possible to have some limited interactions whether we can reach some specific agreement. i think there is a good chance of that. >> i think there is too and mika, the fact is we have leverage of all the reasons over the taliban that we have not had before. they may face military crisis, economic calamity and those attacks from within coming on. richard, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> richard, jonathan lemire and i are going to send you a christmas present, it's going to be a mets uniform. we recommend you change allegiances because we think the mets are going to win the world series before the yankees win another. >> i want to know if alabama is going to change instead of -- >> no, that hurts. >> no, take him down. >> we are fine. >> richard, thank you. >> congratulations to texas a&m. what a great team. >> richard, thank you. >> the school of the home of the 41st president of the united states. >> there you go. >> love that. domestically, tensions are mounting between president biden and former president trump between records related to the january 6th attack at the capitol. the former president held a rally over in iowa over the weekend. kelly o'donell has the details. >> reporter: anger in trump country over the january 6th insurrection. >> they tried to blame everything on trump. >> reporter: iowa state fairgrounds. >> he's my president. biden is not my president. i think most people here would agree with that. >> reporter: defiance from trump himself over the bipartisan select committee investigating the attack on the capitol. the former president is attempting to assert executive privilege to keep secrets certain white house records now held at the president's archive. >> reporter: president biden used his authority to block trump. >> this was a uniquely dark day in our democracy. a day that we need to get to the bottom of. >> reporter: trump responded, biden has rejected our request to withhold the information. trump urged former aides subpoenaed by the committee. the committee disagrees. >> i don't know what makes them think they are better than anybody else in the country. all of the rest of us had to cooperate when we receive a subpoena. >> all right, our thanks to nbc's kelly o'donell for that report. let's bring in our politico report, robert costa, he's the coauthor of the book, "peril." when you look at the attack at our capitol and our democracy as well as trump continuing to hold rallies and you see on the sunday's shows of republicans incapable of detaching themselves from the big lies, how does that play in doing your book? >> our book shows this was a pressure campaign in the days before january 6th, bannon talking with trump on the phone working with rudy giuliani and patel over at the pentagon. there is still more stories to be told. we show that this was trying to overthrow an election. >> if i remember correctly, we have seen subpoenas just not responded to people who are not showing up, close to trump administration for the january 6th attack on the capitol. are we going to hear from people close to president trump? are they going to be compelled to testify? >> well, the real question, mika, what does it mean to be compelled? will this house committee hold these people? congress rarely goes that far trying to have criminal or civil prosecutions or find the last well upon of congresses' holster which is jail time. it takes a lot of steps to do that inside the house but it's it's possible. it has not been done in a long time. the real question is if democracy is on the brink if so many people in both parties and especially on the democratic side, how far will they go to pursue answers? as our book shows cited in these subpoenas, these were not sporadic events. this was coordinated and the president at the top were involved. >> hey, it's jonathan lemire. donald trump drew about 20,000 people saturday night for a rally and chuck grassley was there and he received endorsement in return. your bookends on a note of warnings that donald trump is not done with politics and everything we have seen since then. what's your state of the gop as we start to think about '24? >> it's not just senator grassley at age 88. as our book shows lindsey graham and so many others trying to rehabilitate president trump. president trump is not changing at all. our book shows the end his former campaign manager says trump wants an army back. if he runs again, he wants his army help him get vengeance. he's getting polling saying the republican party is more with him than ever. that's the reality here in american politics. trump is on the march in iowa and he's not going away. >> as we approach the one year anniversary of the 2020 election and the attack on that capitol followed, the senior reporter erin blake compiled the top flip-flop. there is former vice president mike pence who initially said "there is no idea of un-american of the notion that one person could choose the american president." pence back pedalled this week now saying the media. there is south carolin's senator, lindsey graham, he claimed he and trump had a hell of a journey but he was out. >> he's out. >> lindsey is out! or as he saws, he's out. >> i am dizzy. he hopes trump runs in the future. >> it says no future for the republican party. and house minority leader kevin mccartney had a phone call with the former president during the insurrection. though he called for congressional actions against trump, he would after block a 9/11 style commission to investigate the attack and mow he down played his phone call with the former president, saying trump told him quote, "he'll put something out to stop this." >> that's what he did, he put a video out later. the post gave a biggest flip-flop to nikki haley, she was one of trump's loudest critics following attack. he went down the path he should not have and we should not have followed him. we can't let that happen again. >> we can't let that happen again. those are good advise. if you have a president who's actually in the middle of a conspiracy to commit sedition against the united states, you don't want to do that again if you want to be a functioning political party for the long-term. >> in a new interview, we discussed last week, we need trump and the republican party. they want us to back. >> oh my god. that's a flip-flop. anyway, their political, you know, it's going to be their political collapse. >> hurt the country, too. >> they're not going to win national laws. maybe because of gerrymandering and elections history and if steve becomes the speaker of the house. >> again? >> they're only thinking about the next two years. so, mr. costa, let me ask you about donald trump where he is and his standing in the party. you got politicians who are day traders and nervous, they don't want donald trump to tweet a mean thing about them that will cause them to melt and dissolve. 44% of republicans want donald trump to run for reelection, another 20% or 25% say we don't want him to run but we would like somebody to run that'll fol follow some of his popolicies. and these numbers, these numbers seemed to be, it has been trending this way for quite some time. when you get into the process, one out of three republicans saying no to donald trump. that creates a big length for somebody like ron desantis or, i mean, hell, even liz cheney if liz is running against 20 trumpers, she gets 15% or 20% primary, suddenly she's at top of the heat. >> some republicans out there don't want him to come back. the problem is as we find on paul ryan, he believed trump is narcissist. few clash someone like trump publicly, he lashes out. even if they want someone else to be the standard bearer in 2024, and if it does, whether he runs or not, that shows trump has power. >> yeah, so few people off the record want donald trump to run for reelection. so many people want desantis to run for him. somebody that shares the sort of trump's world view. he certainly learned how to imitate donald trump effectively. are you finding this the same that people and even republicans who have been trump's loyalists for years who -- really his time is done, he should play golf at mar-a-lago and let's have desantis come in. >> our book shows that leader mcconnell thinks that trump is a fading brand and does not want him to be dominant. if you look at the reality, president trump and his allies are out there and these congressional primaries and if republicans voted to impeach from the house earlier this year and it's becoming hard even like glenn young from virginia, a republican from the business community to distance himself from trump in a significant way in any way because he hovers like the shadow over the republican party. the challenge now for people inside congress who do not like president trump, will they try to compete with him in terms of political capital and starts to erode his power base. they see him as a source for so much grass roots of money and interests. >> robert costa, thank you very much. politico reporter for the washington post and coauthor of the book, "peril." let's bring in tom rogers. tom proposes an idea to combat the ongoing big lie and tom writes in part, "it seems like the united states is looking like a third world country that'll be in need of third world-type election monitoring to assure there is a public spotlight on potential attempts to corrupt the election process. there is a huge need to have some kind of body that can hold a well-trained spotlight on the 2024 elections to create public accountability to deal with republican efforts." >> i propose a bipartisan presidential commission be created that is intended to do what u.n. election monitoring used to do making it much harder for either side in an election to undermine the integrity of the democratic process by having citizens of high integrity and with investigative powers in a major public communications form. what do you think the risk is? >> well, the risk is great and constitutional crisis is upon us. i remember you had former senator on in the spring of 2020. we predicted that trump was going to overturn the election by having state legislatures propose of electors and many thought it sounded crazy at the time. that's exactly what he did. the book "peril" laid it out chapter and verse that was the strategy. now we have state legislatures putting in place to perfect that whole strategy to be able to push away the few people who stood away from that coup attempt last time. we are facing something that's horrifying. what's also troubling is it does not look like democrats are going to create exceptions of the filibuster rule. you got to ask the question what can we do about it? the u.n. used to do this stuff but does not do it anymore. a presidential commission would really shine the kind of spotlight we need on it. biden could create and i don't think if it's going to be viewed above the fray and fair that he can actually appoint those presidential commissioners but what i proposed that two presidents -- one being george w. bush who's above the fray of the trumpian nonsense and the other is jimmy carter. i am sure he learned a lot when it came through for an election. this maybe enough to have a consistent light on this to rally the majority of americans to understand we really are facing a possible coup attempt next time and something got to be shined here to make sure it does note happen. >> tom, it's katty kay here. i guess it's not new election processes being weaponized in politics and other countries around the world. people try to push the boundaries as much as they can to make the elections going in their own favor. what's the one thing that really concerns you of what's happening in the legislation that texas is trying to pass at the moment? what is the single thing? is it the ability of state legislatures overturn? what was the results? >> well, you nailed it. it's the ability for state's legislatures to step in and insert themselves in the counting and certifying process and if they want to adhere or rely of election fraud and put in their own slate of electors to create an issue that would throw in the election of the house of representatives. the republicans or trump if he runs again would win and that is hugely problematic and what's further problematic is it looks like the supreme court even though the court protected us last time if nonsense. it looks like the supreme court has enough justices who adhere to this notion that state legislatures do have the power to decide who their electors are. the only way we'll combat this is just have massive citizen protests that we'll not allow an election to be stolen. there are presidential commission could galvanize that kind of public sediment especially if it was costructed of a powerful statement that we'll have people of great integrity here. finding republicans of great integrity is going to be a difficult thing these days. >> all right, tom rogers, thank you very much. you can read more of tom's new piece online for news week. appreciate it. still ahead -- >> let me just say and i think more specifically finding people who supports donald trump, those trump republicans. it's going to be hard to find people with election and integrity that tom was talking about there. democrats with integrity, you look though, those people blindly follow donald trump and the people who are trying to change laws so state legislatures can rip power away from election leaders. that's a real ongoing concern and one of the great concerns that they wanted to take power away from. people supported donald trump in 2016 and 2020 but would not rig the election for them after the election. their solution is take their power away from them. yeah, those people really hard to believe they'll have any integrity when it comes to running free and fair elections. so just wanted to differentiate there. still ahead on "morning joe," charges of espionage, nuclear secrets and a peanut butter sandwich. stephanie gosk will explain for us how all those are connected? 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what are some of the concerns that perhaps this survey revealed as well? >> people are resilient. however, this began to improve overtime. >> we are going to work on your audio. lucy, we'll work on your audio dr. potter. sorry about that, we just can't hear you well. lucy, i want to talk about your piece in the "atlantic," covid, we are starting to reach the acceptance phase of the pandemic. a time when we must recalibrate our individualistic -- risk gauge. courage to change the things we can't and the wisdom to know the difference. when we accept that an encounter with the coronavirus is at some point inevitable knowing that with vaccinations we shielded ourselves, and reduing the likelihood of transition with other people will have the opportunity to regain some of the contours of regular life. dr. mcbride, it sounds like a dvd lesson and radical acceptance to an extent. >> we are entering a new phase of the pandemic. we are seeing the optimistic drop in case rates, hospitalizations in deaths. this does not mean we are over or done. we still see unnecessary preventable deaths. we still need wide swath of the population to be vaccinated. i am reminding them, once i have been vaccinated, we have taken the claws and the fangs away from the virus. we have turned it into its less dangerous cousins which is the common cold or flu which no one wants to get and we can start to reimagine health as more than simply not getting covid-19. so, we need to remember that while of course we want to protect from covid, it's taking lives and causing damage and destruction everywhere. we need to zoom out and think about our whole health as we move forward. >> i feel like every time that happens, we get slapped in the face with bad news. for me, one of my bad friend's parents have covid and one is in the hospital. this delta variant, vaccinated people are still at risk. are you careful and how are you talking to patients about moving forward and at the same time understanding the risks. >> absolutely. my highest risk patients even if they are vaccinated need to exercise caution. my patients who are immune suppressed may decide to take more precautions than a healthy vaccinated 20-year-old. this is the art of practicing medicine is broad public health device of the nuances of the patience in front of us. access for primary care for all americans so we can have more texture and contextualize with patients of their problems. >> people are beginning to understand that mental health has been impacted and it's extremely important and extremely relevant in their lives. what have you heard and what do these results tell you about how much mental health has taken a hit during this pandemic? >> well, when when he look at the results, we do see people are valuing mental health now and as just as important as physical health which i think is so phenomenal. we were seeing that while people are resilient, others did not report things such as depression and anxiety. people are learning through coping skills and feeling closer to family and friends than they ever had before. >> yes, so true. dr. lucy mcbride and dawn potter, thank you for these perspectives as we navigate through what we hope is the end of this pandemic. up next, william schachter has waited a long time to make a trip into space. now, he has to wait a little longer. his voyage was postponed due to high winds. we'll have an update on that next on "morning joe." n update t next on "morning joe." pain hits fast. so get relief fast. only tylenol rapid release gels have laser-drilled holes. they release medicine fast for fast pain relief. tylenol rapid release gels. with relapsing forms of ms... there's a lot to deal with. not just unpredictable relapses. all these other things too. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put these rms challenges in their place. kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses, active lesions, and slowing disability progression vs aubagio. don't take kesimpta if you have hepatitis b, and tell your doctor if you have had it, as it could come back. kesimpta can cause serious side effects, including infections. while no cases of pml were reported in rms clinical trials, it could happen. tell your doctor if you had or plan to have vaccines, or if you are or plan to become pregnant. kesimpta may cause a decrease in some types of antibodies. the most common side effects are upper respiratory tract infection, headache, and injection reactions. ready for an at-home treatment with dramatic results? 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>> the 75 miles per hour winds is like overwhelming. that's close to hurricane. i don't want to be on a rocket on top of a rocket in 75 miles per hour winds. and neither does anybody else, so we can -- they have cancelled the flight. it was supposed to go up tomorrow morning. it's now scheduled to go up on wednesday morning. and we've got our fingers crossed. the thing i really want to do is come back down. >> space, the final frontier. >> it was 55 years ago that captain kirk first appeared on america's tv screens. >> to boldly go where no man has gone before. >> reporter: beaming across the galaxy. >> two, one. >> reporter: now at 90 shatner will become the oldest person ever to fly to space on blue origin's second launch with crew members. alongside audrey powers and two other paid customers. >> i'm terrified. i'm captain kirk, and i'm terrified going to space. >> reporter: as for applying his vast experience as captain of the enterprise, shatner says not so much. >> do you think there was connection with playing the role of captain kirk and getting you to this point? >> i'm so sorry to disappoint you. >> no connection? >> but all that was fiction. >> reporter: this trip will last just 11 minutes with three minutes of weightlessness, but point yans, nonetheless. >> i'm going to see the vastness of space and the extraordinary miracle of our earth and how fragile it is. >> reporter: shatner says there's also some poetry to this. because 55 years ago, he was destitute in los angeles. one day looking up at the stars, thinking about the astronauts who are at that moment circling the earth and thinking about his future, and then they called with an offer to go on star trek. he says 55 years later it's come full circle. now he's the one blasting off. i think it's cool. i'm a bit of a trekky. i think it's cool. >> that's an incredible full circle story. we'll be watching this. tom, thank you so much. still ahead, the stage is set for a legal showdown over executive privilege. the house committee tasked with investigating the attack on the capitol gets a green light to review documents related to donald trump's activities on january 6th. we'll speak to a republican member of that select committee congressman adam kinzinger ahead on "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds with a packed 8:00 a.m. hour. as i observe investors balance risk and reward, i see one element securing portfolios, time after time. gold. your strategic advantage. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> what facebook has done is disgraceful, and you'd better believe congress will be taking action, right after we raise the debt ceiling, prosecutor those responsible for january 6th insurrection, and stop president trump because he's no longer president. but after that, you watch out facebook. >> it's monday, october 11th. a lot to talk about today. we have white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lamire, and co-author of "the confidence code series" katty kay is with us. there were a number of developments since we left you friday into the january 6th attack of the capitol. the biden white house formally rejected a request by former president donald trump to use executive privilege to withhold documents from the committee under federal law. the current president has the power to waive claims by past presidents. in a national obtained by nbc news, it's written, quote, president biden has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the best interest of the united states and, therefore, is not justified to -- as to any of the documents. the white house now is authorizing the national archives turn over an initial batch of documents to the committee, covering trump's actions and communications on january 6th, including his rally at the ellipse. in response to the decision, mr. trump sharply criticized democrats and the probe. he then formally asserted privilege with the national archives over the approximately 40 documents being sent to the committee and any others in the future. white house officials told nbc news on friday they will reiterate the waiver of privilege which trump will likely challenge in court. let's bring in national correspondent at politico, betsy woodruff-swan, and state state attorney dave garnburg. >> so what are we looking for over the next week or two? >> we're keeping an eye on whether trump follows through on the threat he's made and sues the national archives to block them from sharing materials with the congressional committee investigating january 6th. on the one hand, trump has been explicit in multiple communications he sent out that i reviewed in saying he's going to do everything he possibly can to, in his words, protect executive privilege. on the other hand, sometimes trump doesn't do what he says he's going to do. we have to bear that in mind. and additional, trump has had a hard time building bad lawyer genes, now more than ever, because for all the obvious reasons and in addition to the obvious reasons, because he has a history of not paying his lawyers. there aren't a bunch of talented lawyers who want to do pro bono work for a purported billionaire who is trying to keep secret his involvement or activity during a massive attack on the capitol. trump only has a limited amount of time to bring any lawsuit if he decides to bring one. at some point the national archives are going to send these materials over to the select committee, and then that's the ball game. so that's the big pressing question for the next week or two. does trump follow through and actually bring this litigation and then how do things proceed from there? of course, the other question is how does the january 6th select committee try to enforce its subpoenas, subpoenas in this case where trump is telling witnesses not to cooperate because of this claim of executive privilege that he's made. those are the two pressing immediate issues. >> and, of course, the white house minority leader that donald trump calls steve, kevin mccarthy claims congress doesn't have the authority to ask for his -- pertaining into the investigation into the january 6th attack. it's very novel, actually. listen. >> this is a select committee that is not a bipartisan committee. for the first time in history, nancy pelosi picked who could be on this committee. and what they're trying to do, they're missing the two main points. why were we so ill-prepared on january 6th, and how do we make sure we're never in this position again? it's politics. congress does not have the right to go after our phone number records, and the supreme court has made this ruling. it's interesting about how far they want to control and where they want to go. >> it's a really good thing you can't get arrested in washington d.c. for stupidity. >> i know. >> he and quite a few others would be dragged to the jailhouse this morning for that clip. dave, first, i just -- first of all, it's not bipartisan, because mitch mcconnell and the republicans killed the bipartisan investigation. so if he doesn't like the fact this is bipartisan, t not like he wasn't warned a million times and mitch mcconnell wasn't warned a million times. if you kill a bipartisan bicameral january 6th investigation, well, good luck complaining about it later. and secondly, saying that congress can't subpoena my phone records or your phone records or his own records? that's preposterous. they do it all the time, don't they? >> yeah. good morning, joe. yes. and first off, it is bipartisan. last time i checked liz cheney and adam kinzinger are republicans. congress has subpoena powers and subpoenas are not optional. yeah, if the january 6th committee wants to refer the noncompliance of the full house, the full house can send it to the department of justice, and then those individuals who defy subpoenas can be prosecuted under contempt of congress which will get you between one month in jail and a year and up to $100,000 fines. we're talking about serious stuff. if you want low-hanging fruit, go after steve bannon first, because he stopped working for the administration in august of 2017. so any claim of executive privilege or attorney/client privilege, after all, he's not a lawyer, that would fall flat and would get laughed out of court. >> yeah. hey, jonathan, it would be one thing if donald trump had a lackey working for him in the justice department, but he doesn't. actually, you have a professional merrick garland running the justice department. a lot of these claims are going to fall on deaf ears because they're spurious. what can we expect coming out of these requests? >> well, the current white house has made clear they're not inclined to give the former president trump any assistance. the president is. the white houses are deferential to predecessor in terms of executive privilege. this seems to be the exception. they are saying we are treating january 6th as something different. it's a dark day in our history and we are going to treat it as such. we're not going to use executive privilege to cloud over any of it. it needs to be thor low ri investigated. they supported the commission leader mcconnell killed and now are backing the select committee. there's seemingly not going to be much traction to this president's request, joe, but obviously the politics are going to play out. will these former aide show up? how can they defy a subpoena? when wump was in office, it was just say no. that's different now. he's not the president anymore. so this is going to be a significant political issue even as the former president continues his unfounded claims of election fraud. we heard more from his rally the other night in iowa. as he continues to return to the political stage. >> you know, katty kay, obviously claims of executive privilege are respected from one administration to another. certainly in areas of foreign policy. or even domestic policy making. there is an iron down of sorts about that, and one justice department is going to usually follow along and follow what the justice departments in the past administration have ruled. but in this case, you're talking about conspiracy to commit sedition. you're talking about a riot that the white house may have known about beforehand. apparently did know about beforehand, and did very little to discourage and maybe even encouraged it. for that reason, doesn't it seem unlikely at best that this justice department is going to do anything to help donald trump cover up a possible sedition conspiracy to commit sedition? >> yeah. because this is a useful reminder of what executive privilege is there for. it's not there to protect the individual who was president or who is president. it's there to protect the republic. to protect the united states of america. and it's deemed that the person who has the best opinion or the best possibility of having the right opinion on whether something is good for the republican is the incumbent president, not the former president. so yeah, i think you're right. it's very unlikely that this justice department and this white house is going to do anything really to go out of their way to try and protect donald trump, overprotecting the rights of the republic if they were seen to be threat as it was on january 6th. coming up, if it's not the republican fringe flirting with donald trump's election conspiracies, one of the gop's top leaders, steve scalise, is echoing that disinformation. we'll show you that next on "morning joe." hi sabrina! hi jen! hi. so you're the scientist here. i just have to ask. does my aveeno® daily moisturizer really make my dry skin healthier in one day? 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>> well, chris, i've been clear from the beginning. if you look at a number, states they didn't follow, their state passed laws that governed the election for president. >> you think the election was stolen? >> what i said is there are states that didn't follow their legislatively set rules. >> last time, i promise, do you think the election was stolen or not? >> it's not just -- it's states that did not follow the laws set which the constitution says they're supposed to follow. when you see states like georgia cleaning up some of the mess and people calling that jim crow law, that's a flat out lie. >> it was -- i'll -- it's unbelievable. it's really unbelievable. >> look at liz cheney's response. >> that's just lazy. that really is sleazy. it's cynical. it's despicable. let me use the word. it's okay to use the word. it's deplorable. deplorable. let me say it again. still lying and spreading lies for your constituents and the american people about what happened in last year's election is deplorable. when you have trump justices across the united states saying there wasn't any widespread voter fraud. when you have the supreme court of the united states saying yes, they were -- in pennsylvania the supreme court let -- overroad what the state legislature did. we should take a look at that at some point. it's not going to change the outcome of the election, said alito and thomas. let's just take a look at it, because it may have an influence in future elections. but no -- so everybody, you could go down the list. >> how about justy common sense? he knows better. >> of course. >> we all know he knows better. >> this has nothing to do with him lacking common sense. it has everything to do with republicans who lack common decency and who love their country, and who actually respect the constitution of the united states who understand that a peaceful transition is one of the most important things that we can do to actually follow through on what our founders gave us. the republic our founders gave us that men and women have fought and died for through the years. really. it doesn't work if you only respect elections when you win. that's what they do in communist countries. that's what they do in fascist countries. hey, steve scalise, that's not what they do here. all right? all right? go back. i think you need to go back and take some civics classes. maybe they've got a civics class where you live at a community college and relearn civics. this is just absolutely -- just despicable a year later. >> republican congresswoman and member of the january 6th select committee liz cheney responded to the scalise comments in a tweet that reads in part, perpetuating the big lie is an attack on the core of our constitutional republic. >> it attacks katty kay, the core of democracy. it depends on men and women of good faith on both sides. accepting election results, even when the election results don't go your way, and the judges, all the trump judges, all the -- in fact, most elected leaders in the republican party are now admitting yes, donald trump won, but here we have the number two house republican lying to his constituents and the american people, saying that -- not being able to say that joe biden was elected president. >> but you had a couple of real indicators over the course of this weekend of the way the republican party is moving back into the pocket of donald trump. you had scalise there refuing repeatedly to say that joe biden is the legitimate president of the united states, even after court after court after court around the country has ruled he won the election. and then you had chuck grassley on saturday night standing alongside donald trump effectively endoring donald trump being endorsed by donald trump, having himself after january 6th, saying the behavior around the insurrection was a terrible thing. i just -- this weekend was a real turning point. it have a real indication of where the republican party now feels donald trump is and donald trump's chances of running again, and winning the nomination again, and their own fear in standing up for him. it's impossible to believe that scalise after all of these court cases really believes the election was stolen. so the only reason he's doing it is to curry favor with donald trump, and donald trump supporters. >> coming up, one of the few republicans willing to speak truth to power. member of the january 6th committee, congressman adam kinzinger joins the conversation. 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>> yeah. look, it's good to see you guys. it's my impression and intention and the committee's intention they will be compelled. you know, there's some little back and forth between the lawyers right now, but if it gets to a point where they're stone walling or not serious, there's contempt things to file. you can do it through congress. you can do it through the doj. criminal contempt. i think that's our leaning is to say criminal content. this is a serious moment. we have to get to the answers. if you're running away, if this was literally nothing on january 6th, if it was antifa, they should want to testify. if they're hiding something -- >> i'm going to say no. >> congressman, what is your goal at the end of the day? what do you think is the most important information to get out about january 6th? >> it's going to sound cheesy, but simply the truth. i want to know who was behind it, who knew what. whether that person is in the house of representatives or not. i think we need a full accounting. i look at this as saying you know, whether or not this generation, whether or not the current iteration of the republican party even wants to have any idea of what the truth is, the fact is history books someday are going to write about january 6th. and i think the work the committee is doing will be a significant part of what those history books say. if we get a full accounting, get it right. i think there's going to be someday, i pray and hope, people wake up from this donald trump buzz/hangover/whatever drunken thing is going on, and realize that the country is actually pretty important and truth is very important. and at the moment, we're in a tough place, but that actually just makes me all the more determined to get to the answers. >> you really think we're going to get past when i say we, you think the republican party is going to get past donald trump? it certainly doesn't look like it. we showed clips of people like lindsey graham, like former u.n. ambassador nikki haley, like minority leader kevin mccarthy, all condemning donald trump, and then all doing the 180 and backing down. >> you know, do we get past it? i don't know. and i think a lot of it is on the basis of what are leaders going to say? i have a real fear of something, and then, but i'll say this part first. the first is leaders have got to stand up and tell people the truth. so if you don't trust the lead ya and you don't trust anything and you're inundated with sources of information. you're going to look at somebody who stands in front of you and talks. if you trust them at heart, you believe them. when you have steve scalise not answer whether or not joe biden was legitimately elected, or you have kevin mccarthy make it clear that donald trump caused january 6th and then put the paddles on him in mar-a-lago and riz recollect him politically, it's no wonder 70% of the population believes the election was stolen. there's people now that don't care what the truth is and this idea of a stolen election is just a cover, because this is now going from let's go compete in the field of politics. we were convinced the election was stolen to just simply power at all means. and if you're in the tribe, good, you're going to be in power and that's what matters. >> yeah. katty kay is with us and has a question. >> to the point of being in the tribe, do you think there is anything that you could come up with in this investigation, produce in your report, that might change minds? we've seen the polling numbers of republicans who believe that it's important to inve gait january 6th. do you think when the report comes out, you might have something that enough americans could go to and say you know what? i'm looking at this and there's the evidence, and my mind has changed over this? >> yeah, i mean, i certainly think in the long-term, absolutely. this can help right the narrative. in the short-term, i think so. particularly as leaders of members of congress, it's easy to kind of say look, i am going to put my head down and go for it. when you start having real kind of evidence, and i'm not going to throw out what we could possibly find. i'm going in with an open mind. if there's something that makes it clear what the intentions were on that day, it wasn't just, quote, unquote, asking questions like people like to say, but it was instead intentionally or even unintentionally a coupe attempt. if you look at the eastman memo, for goodness sakes, that's nothing but a coupe attempt being pushed. there's no other way to read it. it's not an exercise done at harvard law about what could potentially happen on january 6th. it's a real directive to the president of the united states about how to create a constitutional crisis. and so if people can't look at that and say my goodness, this is a problem. my goodness, the future of this country is in trouble, they should not be in leadership, and they should evaluate whether they're in congress. >> good morning. great to see you today. every member of congress whose party is in the minority wants to be in the party that's in the majority. republicans, of course, their party in the minority, but only a few seats trailing democrats and have a decent shot at claiming the majority this fall. it seems like from leader mccarthy down, so much of the republican argument is based on the big lie, the idea of kowtowing to support, of giving life to his lies. how do you personally navigate this conundrum where your party is on the precipice of power. that would be something you would want, but it's doing so in this way which you have objected to? >> yeah. it's like look, it's like one of the toughest things ever. i mean, honestly. look, i'm a republican at heart. i haven't changed my views. that's why if you ever look at the twitter out there and you vote like a republican and people are horrified, we thought you were different. no, actually i'm a republican. i'm a real one. i might be only one of two left. it's tough to navigate, but here's the deal. until we unplug from this stupid matrix we're in that says you have to be part of this democratic party or this republican party, if you don't like joe biden, then you must like donald trump. he's the only alternative, there's a way awesome choice of options out here outside of this matrix we've been plugged into. the problem is that matrix fuels anger and raises money. and we've learned, we have learned as politicians, particularly as republicans, if you send somebody fear, if you fear for your life, i can get you to part with anything. i could get you to part with your car. i could get you to part with your apartment if you think it saves your life. there's no wonder that every one of these people that get the email that says your country is going to be destroyed if this other person win will part with serious cash. we go out and brag about raising money on the backing of those that are scared to death. that's a problem. it's going to take waking up to this. >> and then there's this. after narrowly averting economic disaster by cutting a deal on the debt ceiling, mitch mcconnell is warning he won't do it again. in a phone call with president biden, mcconnell reportedly said democrats should not expect republican help in the future. mcconnell reiterated his stance. >> what is his stance? >> -- >> i'm trying to read the letter. >> because his stance, it seems to change. >> i won't help you again, it says. >> running the white house. >> he says write to inform you that i will not provide such assistance again. >> did he vote to raise the debt ceiling? >> if you're all -- >> he didn't. >> if you're all-democrat government drifts into another crisis. >> adam, this is for me. this is just -- an owned goal by mitch mcconnell and the republican party, and of course, mitch is about as smart in politics as anybody we've seen in washington d.c. loving or not loving. calling him cynical or call him crafty, this guys knows what he's doing. he can always see around corners. he does what it takes to win. that's why republicans like him and democrats do not. this is a cell phone. because when mitch had a republican in the white house, he said of course we're willing to pass the debt ceiling. of course we're going to raise the debt limit. to not do so would be irresponsible, because, of course, if you don't, if you default on american's debt, you wreck the economy. you destroy americans' retirement accounts and help communist china. what could help communist china more than giving them a propaganda win where they can say the united states is defaulting on their debt. they're dysfunctional. and now mitch is saying, not only are we not going to do what we've always done and vote to increase the debt limit so we don't help communist china. we're going to block democrats from being able to vote. to raise the debt limit so we don't destroy retirements and don't help communist china. you voted to raise the debt limit. tell us why. and talk about how -- it's hard to be shocked by anything, but why would mitt romney vote to block -- a guy i respect and love, but why would mitt romney vote to block the senate from raising the debt limit so retirement accounts won't be destroyed in america and communist china won't gain this massive advantage over the united states? >> well, look, you're right. i can't answer for mitt and stuff on voting -- look, we were still about two weeks -- i voted -- i was the only republican to vote to raise it. we were still a couple weeks out. i think what happens is -- because this happen every time, every time we come up to the debt limit. there's back and forth, try to extract. it's probably okay politics in terms of the politics only. but in terms of the future of the country, this is something we've got to get rid of having to deal with all the time. whether we get rid of the debt ceiling or whether we all have a gentleman's agreement to quit police politicizing it. now that we're 30 trillion in debt, the further in debt we go, the more important it is for us to raise the debt limit not just particularly on time but early, because the only reason we don't have a debt crisis is because the world trust and true faith and credit of that debt. the second that starts getting shaky and now we're $30 trillion in debt with no tax increases or measures to get us out of that, that's when the stuff that paul ryan talked about, the debt cliff, that's when it's triggered. as long as we keep people believing in the full faith and credit of the united states, we won't have that immediate debt crisis. >> let me ask you. how much would it damage the united states? how much would it help communist china if mitt romney said no, we're not going to let the senate vote to raise the debt ceiling? if susan collins said no, we're not going to let the senate vote to raise the debt ceiling? if ben sass, if lisa murkowski and others that people considered to be rational, moderate republicans, what would be the impact if they voted, again, not to raise the debt limit, but voted to block responsible democrats from raising the debt limit? how much of a win would that be for communist china? how bad would that be for america's reputation across the globe? and how much would mitt romney be helping xi and helping communist leaders by doing that? >> well, look, if those people did that, a lot. the reality is this. every one of those you mentioned, and i know that you know, a lot of the times when these reasonable republicans do something republican, people get upset, but in this case, they're not going to let that happen. and i think the fact that they've voted against it shows you there's time on that, and there's politics being played. i'm not saying that's what they should do or that's right. i'm saying they're not going to allow that to be breeched because they're great senators that believe in this country and have put a lot on the line to do that. i think the debt limit is a construct we need to get rid of this. this is playing your credit card bills. if i get a credit card bill and guy this is for $10,000, i need to save $10,000 this year, i'm going to throw this bill away. that's not how you do it. that will help you not short-term, and then everything collapses. that's what the debt limit is. the spending decisions are the areas where we can interdict, and look, it's just -- we are stuck in this how do we win the next election? the next election is the most important thing, and meanwhile we're watching our democracy slip through our fingers because we don't want to tell people the truth. >> and the thing is, i'm very helpful. they are -- they have been reasonable and responsible many times throughout their careers and i'm hopeful they won't help communist china. i'm hopeful, again, if they don't want to vote to raise the debt limit, i understand under. it's a vote that i took, i think, when i was in congress. it's more of a, sort of a he message that you're sending. but, in this case, they are voting to block the vote and that just helps communist china and destroys he at the end of the day, that just destroys america's retirement accounts. i hope they will continue to be responsible and do the right thing. congress mapp, thank you for all you do. always great to have you here. thanks so much. >> up next, ron and clint howard both got an early start in show biz and the brothers are out with a look how their careers came about with a healthy the influence from family every step-of the way. we'll speak with them next on "morning joe". to make my vision a reality my varilux progressive lenses provide seamlessly transition from near to far. with every detail in sharp focus. that's seeing no limits. varilux lenses by essilor. 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(sfx: continued vehicle calamity.) just think, he'll be driving for real soon. every new chevy equinox comes standard with chevy safety assist, including automatic emergency braking. find new peace of mind. find new roads. chevrolet. he ♪♪ oh, no! >> you stink, buckman. >> he had no business to be out there! no business. >> that scene from director ron howard's 1989 film "parenthood" featured a role by his brother actor clint howard. the brothers are now collaborating once again. this time with a new book entitled "the boys." a memoir of hollywood and family and ron and clint howard both join us now. it's great to see you both. thank you so much. i guess, ron, i'll start with you and clint i want to hear from you as well. why did you decide to collaborate on the book. i understand your father was a great inspiration for this. >> he certainly was. it was really at his memorial. my mom had passed and 15 years later dad passed three years ago. i thought about doing a book at one point or another and we also tried to get dad to do a book about what it was like to raise a couple of kids in the business. he did it and handled it in a unique and surprising way. as we were preparing for the memorial looking at photos, literally i said hey, tom hanks told me if i ever did a book it should be about our childhood. why don't we make about it our childhood and it's a chance to write about mom and dad. "the boys" is also a tribute to our mom because that's what she called us. >> clint, talk about your childhood. you guys, of course, it's all you ever knew. you thought you had a normal childhood. whoa. wait a second. there was nothing normal about this. talk about the childhood. that realization and also just the challenges that it posed for both you guys as you went through your lives. >> well, i had a huge advantage. being the little brother of ron, ron is just absolutely just a top notch big brother. he always has been and he continues to be. but i had a great example. i mean dad was our mentor, but ron was this great dude to look up to and he helped me navigate. i mean it was -- i got to watch him do some wonderful the things and i followed along. >> it did help clint along the way to see me cope with public school, kids at school, some of the hazing and frustrations that went along with that. it was kind of always like ice water in your face because the environment at work was such a joy. from early days, it was creative, welcoming. you go out in the real world and sometimes it would be, you know, things would be a little tough. >> he got punched out a few times. >> so, ron, and then clint, talk about your dad and what he did to keep your feet on the ground in the high moments and low moments. what made the difference? why your all still here together talking to us today. that's a hell of an achievement, by the way, considering your background, how you grew up. >> well, the book is, in a way, as we were working on it, we began to feel it's almost like a parenting book. there's an element of this. it wasn't our intention. they made so many great decisions along the way in their own kind of unorthodox way. because my dad was an actor and also a writer, he never saw glamour in any of this. what he saw was an opportunity. really kind of a learning opportunity. and i think wheat taught us more than anything was the value of a work ethic, of being prepared, of showing up, being there for your teammates, basically. and, you know, we were so well prepared. he was so good at teaching us and guiding us that it made it took easy. and people gave us a lot of respect for that reason. i carry that over to this day, prepare hard, work hard so that whether i'm directing a movie or being on this show, you know, i'm ready and i try to make it took easy. >> dad just had a way of instyling confidence in us. i don't quite know how edit. he did it with honesty and simplicity. i all felt i was the most prepared actor on the show. i would get to the set and look around and say, you know, dad got us ready. >> clint, one of the reasons why you were so prepared, you explain it. your father at a very young age taught you all the value of understanding emotions. so you didn't just read scripts, he taught you something deeper. >> always about emotional honesty. another thing i carried with me in my work to this day, you know, build on a foundation of truth. and even though the andy griffith show was very funny, very loose, looking for laughs, full out comedy, andy always wanted to build from that place of kind of honesty. he didn't write shows like "petticoat junction" and "beverly hillbillies." the south is always come. >> what was it like to collaborate for film and this book. >> we were always so close as kids. we have this wonderful way of communicating without actually speaking to each other. i'll tell you what. working on the book with him was fabulous because we normally don't look backwards and this gave us an opportunity to really kind of go, this is what happened, right. this is what happened wrong. let's throw it out to the public. >> the book is "the boys" a memoir are of hollywood and family. how wonderful ron and clint howard, thank you both very much for sharing that with us this morning. >> great to be here. >> congratulations on the book. >> thank you so much. >> thanks. >> great talking to you guys. >> that does it for us this morning. hi everybody. i'm in for stephanie ruhle. it's monday, october 11th. it may be a holiday but a busy one. we're following several major stories. up first travel chaos. southwest cancelling nearly 2,000 flights leaving thousands still stranded. sparking questions about exactly why. also this morning, new challenges and deadlines in the investigation into the january 6th attack. a number of trump allies still not complying with subpoenas. the big question here will lawmakers actually do anything about it? one of those lawmakers on the january 6th committee, congressman jamie raskin will be here to talk about that. and then the battle over a restrictive abortion law

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