hold donald trump accountable for the january 6th attack on capitol hill. the former president getting some tough news from the white house and capitol hill. and then, a major move, waking up this morning in the texas abortion law battle, breaking late last night as a federal appeals court rules the law can, in fact, continue to be enforced for now. that's the keyword. and then dramatic new video of a hostage situation that ended with gunfire and terror in a los angeles apartment building. new efforts as well by the doj to protect officials at increasingly chaotic school board meetings over mask mandates, coming under fire today. and then the latest fallout from a whistle-blower's inside account to congress about facebook and what it is not doing to protect its users. all of that is coming up. but we do want to begin this hour on capitol hill where we are following some major developments with the january 6th committee, announced it may soon hand out a criminal contempt referral for former trump advisor steve bannon. that could allow the doj to protect bannon for -- prosecute, excuse me, bannon for refusing to comply with an earlier congressional subpoena. nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill for us. let's start there with this criminal referral. do we know when this could actually happen? >> reporter: yasmin vossoughian, good afternoon. we know from the committee they're considering this criminal referral because steve bannon has yet to comply with the subpoena, but they're sort of giving him one last shot. we know that documents request deadline was october 7th, this past thursday, but they didn't say when they would issue that criminal referral. all they said was it would happen swiftly to any witness who defied a subpoena. but of course, bannon's lawyers shooting back, sending a letter to the committee on thursday just ahead of that missed deadline. they said, quote, they said they told the committee we will comply with the directions of the court since these privileges belong to president trump and not to mr. bannon until these issues are resolved, mr. bannon is legally unable to comply with your subpoena requests for documents and testimonies. the committee, though, saying that bannon is not eligible under protection of the former president's executive privileges. >> hey, julie, quickly, here, let's talk dan scavino for a moment. subpoena bid the committee after a struggle to locate him. what are we hearing about this? >> reporter: nbc has not independently confirmed that report yet but we have been in touch with the committee who say they won't comment on subpoenas served but they didn't deny that took place today, that mr. scavino, former president trump's aide. kash patel and mark meadows have been engaged with them. as this moves along, we know the former president, of course, was blocked by president biden in asserting his executive privileges, and we know that the national archives are getting ready to hand over a trove of documents to the house select committee investigating what the president knew. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. coming up at 4:00, my power panel is going to break down the legal issues surrounding the january 6th subpoenas and republican reaction as well so you don't want to miss that conversation. you got a new court ruling that's led to most abortions, once again, being banned in texas. for now, of course. late last night, a federal appeals court reinstated the state's restrictive abortion law in a very brief ruling. the appellate court blocked a lower court's decision to temporarily allow abortions to take place after six weeks. the state's attorney general, ken paxton, celebrated on twitter what he describes as a state victory over the u.s. justice department. nbc legal analyst barbara mcquade is joining us now to clear things up for us. there has been quite a game of ping-pong, i got to say, with all of this, waking up this morning, seeing this news breaking overnight, coming out of texas, there was 48 hours in which this texas law, to a certain extent, had been overruled for that time, and they had resumed abortion services in that state and now here we are once again with this texas law back in effect. where are we on this, barbara, and what happens next? >> yeah, so, what the court issued yesterday, the fifth circuit court of appeals, issued an administrative stay of judge robert pitman's order that had been issued on wednesday, so judge pitman had said he finds this law completely unconstitutional. and he is issuing an injunction so that it cannot have effect while this case proceeds in court. what the fifth circuit did is basically to reverse that and return it back to the point where the six-week ban will be in effect. now, that is not a final decision. what happens next is the court has given the justice department until tuesday to file anything to indicate whether it plans to respond on the full request for an injunction on a permanent basis. in the meantime, the justice department also has the option of appealing this directly to the u.s. supreme court. now, they didn't like the appeal back in september. we'll see if they like it any better this time around. >> i want to play some sound from amy hagstrom miller, i spoke to her yesterday, one of the clinics in texas that did resume abortion services during that 48-hour period. here's what she had to say. >> it's heartbreaking to look people in the eyes and deny them the healthcare that they need. we got an injunction, and it was a very strong injunction from judge pitman, and some of our staff and some of our doctors feel confident to proceed with care during this injunction. others have opted out and we respect that. this is a scary time. >> so, interestingly, barbara, i also spoke with her earlier today and she said, of course, they have subsequently stopped abortion services. nonetheless, they're going to be very vulnerable now to retroactive prosecution, possibly, the way that sb8 is actually written. how likely is it that they're going to see consequences to their actions over the last 48 hours? >> well, i think it's quite possible. you know, that is the risk people take when they engage in civil disobedience but even though they acted under a law that was at the moment off the books because of the injunction that was issued by judge pitman, the law kind of contemplated that might happen and so it said that even if the law is staid for some period of time, people who perform abortions during that period could be subject the this law. so it creates a real chilling effect, which i think is one of the points of this law. providers are understandably hesitant to provide these services. meanwhile, women in texas are being used like a political football. one day, they can have an abortion, and the next, they can't. it's not only unconstitutional, but it's incredibly cruel. >> already, yes, exactly. incredibly emotional time for these women now having to deal with this. finally, barbara, real quick here, so we're looking at tuesday, right, a response from the department of justice, this appellate course making a decision based on both sides as to what's going to happen with sb8 but if we look beyond that, this thing seems like inevitably it's going to be headed back to the supreme court. >> i agree with that and i think one thing that could make it different this time around is that last time, there was no factual record for the court to decide on, and so it was sort of easy for judges to just throw up their hands and say, well, we can't really decide this because there's no factual record here. this time around, judge pitman went out of his way to write a 113-page opinion detailing his factual findings, and so that makes it a little hard to sort of procedurally punt this time around, and i think the justices will have to take more seriously the decision on the merits. >> barbara mcquade, thank you as always. great to see you this afternoon. all right, i want to get to some breaking news now in texas where a missing 3-year-old boy has, in fact, been found safe. christopher ramirez wandered into the woods wednesday, setting off a massive three-day search effort in grimes county, about 40 miles southeast of college station. he was found about five miles from his house after a neighbor reported hearing some noise in the woods. the county sheriff says the child appeared to have just been lost and no foul play is suspected. he was taken to the hospital, is in good condition, and by the way, reunited with his family. can't imagine that reunification after being missing for three-plus days. all right, we also have some dramatic video from a wild hostage situation in los angeles. the ordeal lasted several hours, portions of it caught on camera and some of the video, it's hard to watch. >> [ bleep ]. >> all right, so, this is the end of that horrifying ordeal. s.w.a.t. teams moving in. you can see them through the windows there after shooting a suspect in downtown l.a. it all started mid-afternoon, police saying the suspect fired shots at several people, injuring a 14-year-old and car jacking a woman's vehicle, the man holing up in an apartment, taking a woman hostage. a video appears to show the suspect holding the hostage at gunpoint. it's at that point police moved in, shooting and killing the suspect and subsequently rescuing the woman. she is recovering at an l.a. area hospital. all right, new details are emerging overnight on how that devastating oil spill in the waters off southern california came about. investigators saying they are confident an anchor struck the pipeline, moving it more than 100 feet and ripping off its protective concrete casing. nbc's scott cohn has more on this. scott, good to see you this afternoon. thanks for joining us on this. what more can you tell us about how this happened, and really, how it's impacting the community there? >> reporter: well, the, first of all, yeah, the community impact is on a number of levels. for one thing, you've got about ten miles of prime beaches where people can't use the water. you have commercial fishing operations that have been halted. right at the start of lobster season out here, so that's an issue. and then this environmental damage, which it may take months to figure that out and it seems as if the more that we learn about this spill, the more questions that it raises. so, we know that there is a lot of traffic offshore in the harbor as ships wait to get into the ports of los angeles and long beach because of all the supply crunches. that initially led authorities to believe that it was an anchor that may have come from one of the these ships that struck that pipeline. but then it turns out, as they got under water to look at the actual damage, there was a lot of marine life already growing on the hole in the pipeline which suggests that this damage happened some time ago. it may have happened as much as a year ago, and so we have all of this clean-up. we may have had oil that's been leaking for quite some time, and it leaves authorities with this big investigation with literally hundreds of potential suspects. >> as we develop targets of interest, you know, vessels that may have done this, they're likely going to be a foreign vessel, a foreign deep draft, that what you will probably see moving forward and what we anticipate is we will have to board these vessels as we can and over the i mean and it could be really, at any port around the nation. we'll be ready to do that. >> reporter: so, you can see some of the tasks that they have in front of them, just to try and find out what happened and also why the company amplify energy didn't notice this before last weekend and in the meantime, again, all of this environmental impact, this is something called the tolbert marsh behind me, which the ocean is just behind us, but this is a sensitive wildlife refuge where they did get some oil in there and they're trying to clean that up and assess what all happened here and another thing they don't know is exactly how much oil spilled. there was talk of 144,000 gallons, maybe as little as 30,000 gallons. it really is a week later, still unfolding, yasmin. >> it seems like a lot to unpack there still. scott cohn for us, thank you. still ahead, everybody, it's all in the spin, right? 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>> reporter: yeah, well, the president's message just a few minutes ago was a call for party unity. he urged democrats to come together, especially as they head into the 2022 midterm election year. now, this message from the president comes as there's been a lot of intraparty fighting among moderates and progressives recently, especially over the president's build back better agenda. that's that infrastructure bill that's been coupled with the democrats' social spending agenda. there's been a lot of disagreements over how big that package should be, what should be in it. we also saw some disagreements among democrats this past week over how to engage with republicans when it comes to issues like raising the debt ceiling. that's going to be something lawmakers are going to have to deal with again in just a few weeks. take a listen to what the president had to say just a few minutes ago. >> you know, my message is simple. we need to stay together. and bound by the values that we hold as a party. because here's the deal. we won 2020 as a unified party, and we're look to 2022, as we do that, we need to stay unified. >> reporter: the president's message right there comes after we got a look at a rather disappointing jobs report from september. the white house was expecting to see a bit bigger numbers. economists had predicted more jobs would have been added back into the economy in september. at the same time, importantly, we did see the lowest unemployment rate since the pandemic first hit, so that's some good news for the white house right there. biden used that report to make the case once again for his build back better agenda. he said that while we've seen some progress, clearly, since the pandemic first hit, we are moving in the right direction, but the economy still needs that extra juice that he says his economic agenda will give. but yasmin, as we look ahead to the next few weeks, the president's biggest challenge is going to be trying to figure out how to bring all sides of his party together to pull his agenda across the finish line and congress. >> going to be a big challenge to say the least. and we're also hearing those jobs numbers could be revised as the august job numbers were as well. we'll be watching for that next month. lauren egan, thank you. so a major decision by the doj in a closely-watched case. there won't be any federal criminal civil rights charges for the police officer who shot jacob blake last year in kenosha, wisconsin. the doj said there's not enough evidence to prove rusten chesky willfully used excessive force. blake was shot in the back during a domestic disturbance. the shooting left him paralyzed from the waist down and sparked several nights of protest there. one of the most prominent figures in the nfl, las vegas raiders coach jon gruden, is under fire for using a racist trope in an email in 2011 and could soon be facing disciplinary action. the "wall street journal" reporting gruden made the racist comment about nfl players association leader demorris smith. gruden says he was upset about the 2011 lockout of the players by the nfl, but did not specifically remember using the language in that email. he was and has reportedly apologized for the remark, which referred to smith's facial features in a racist way. all right, fighting in florida, mask policies in schools pit parents against administrators and leave some districts scrambling for funding. this as we may actually have some optimistic news about where we are in the pandemic. infectious disease specialist dr. celine gounder joins me after the break to dive into the latest covid trends. we'll be right back. dive into e latest covid trends. we'll be right back. r you. whether you need a single line or lines for family members, you'll get great value on america's most reliable 5g network. like 2 lines of unlimited for just $27.50 a line. only at t-mobile. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ this isn't just a walk up the stairs. when you have an irregular heartbeat, it's more. it's dignity. the freedom to go where you want, knowing your doctor can watch over your heart. ♪♪ bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ tonight, i'll be eating a buffalo chicken panini with extra hot sauce. tonight, i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. 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how are they getting out of hand from what you have been seeing and reporting on? >> reporter: yeah, well, yasmin, you know, this issue has divided people from the very beginning, but i want to talk about the state board of education. this is the governing body that oversees all those county school boards, because on thursday, the state board of education met and actually sanctioned eight local school boards. they did that for failing to comply with governor ron desantis's anti-mask mandate and they were given about 48 hours to come into compliance or face fines, the equivalency of the school board members' salaries. among those sanctioned, miami dade and orange county, which is in the orlando area. so that's sort of because the opposite effect, as we know, governor ron desantis is against children wearing masks in school. i'm here in hillsboro county in the tampa area. they did not get sanctioned because this school district has now relaxed their mask mandates, so that's a situation here, but again, this is all very divided, and hillsboro county, as you may recall, initially, when school started, they decided to defy governor ron desantis's order and go along with several other school districts, and they say they did that because they had no choice because at that point cases were skyrocketing here in florida and they wanted to keep kids safe. >> all right, stephanie, good to see you this afternoon. i want to talk some more covid news where we could be seeing a glimmer of hope as cases, deaths, and hospitalizations all drop, the u.s. could be entering an endemic phase. >> by endemic, everybody has to understand the virus won't disappear. it will smolder in our population but we can keep it down. >> on top of that, pfizer has asked the fda for an emergency use authorization for its covid vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11. joining me now to discuss all of this is dr. celine gounder. i want to talk through a couple things, dr. gounder, and thank you for joining us. first the reporting we're hearing from stephanie. when you have mask mandates in schools, it seems like there are less breakthroughs happening across the country, less outbreaks, i should say, across the country in those school systems with the mask mandates in place. >> that's right. we've seen in study after study now that masks really do work. they really do help prevent transmission in schools, and given that children under the age of 12 still cannot yet get vaccinated, we hope the 5 to 11 will be able to get vaccinated come november, but right now, masks remain one of the most important ways to protect kids. >> let's talk about this emergency use authorization as we await 5 to 11-year-olds being able to get vaccinated. talk to me about the timing here and how much of a game changer this could be once we see millions of kids getting vaccinated across this country. >> so, the fda is going to be evaluating this data for the 5 to 11-year-old age group for the pfizer vaccine at the end of the month. the cdc will also do their evaluation after the fda. that will be the first week of november. and we anticipate by november 4th or 5th, kids 5 to 11 will be able to get vaccinated. >> we know there's some significant hesitation amongst parents in getting their young children vaccinated, some having to do with the heart issue that has developed in younger men when it comes to vaccination. some countries across the world right now just deciding to only administer one shot versus two. to young children because of this. how much of a threat is that? >> so, there is a very minuscule, tiny, tiny risk of what we call myocarditis, which is inflammation of the heart muscle. this is a transient condition. this is not resulting in permanent damage. it causes discomfort while you have it, and yes, we do see this predominantly in younger men, men in their teens and their 20s, but we really do not think, if you look at the risk of covid versus the risk of having myocarditis from vaccination, it is quite clear the protection you get from the vaccination overrides that risk. >> let me ask you about boosters here. i got a lot of folks asking me, thinking i'm the expert on boosters, vaccines, all things covid, because i talk about it on television, which, by the way, i'm not. i do not have a m.d. at the end of my name. as to whether or not they should get boosters. who should be getting boosters at this time period, a, and where are we on having more data when it comes to mix and matching booster shots, for instance, if you got a moderna vaccine and then you get a pfizer booster or you got a vj vaccine and you get a moderna booster? >> so, it's very clear that people over the age of 65 would benefit from an additional dose of vaccine with respect to protecting them against severe disease, hospitalization, and death. we would also see that benefit among highly immunocompromised people and then there may be a benefit, which is why the cdc has recommended this with a "may" for people who are middle aged who have underlying chronic medical conditions. with respect to the mix and match studies, and this may be a reason to hold off on getting a booster right now until we have that data, we should have data on all of the different mix and match regimens of pfizer and moderna and johnson & johnson by the middle to late october, so very soon, and i think that will also help people make more informed decisions. >> dr. celine gounder, thank you for appreciate the expertise. the holiday season is fast approaching but supply chain issues could make this year a difficult one for shoppers. nbc's molly hunter is in london with more on this. molly, great to see you. what do you have on this? >> reporter: hey, yasmin, that's right. look, everything from your detergent to your lengthens are going to take a hit as some parts of the world start to emerge from the pandemic. their vaccinated people are ready to spend money and there's this lopsided rebound recovery going on and the supply chain just can't keep up. take a look. shoppers are bracing for a holiday season like no other all because of snarling global supply chain issues. >> you're seeing a shortage of supply, of things that are needed to move product through the global supply chain, including workers, empty containers, chassis, available space on vessels, workers here in the states for drivers and warehouses. >> reporter: add to that surging prices of raw materials, sky-high freight prices and delays like this week at the port of los angeles. it also means a shortage of component parts like microchips, making gifts like playstations, computers, and phones expensive and hard to find. factor in inflation and all of it driving up prices. >> you could spend, like, maybe $120 in groceries. now it's, for, like, little things, you end up paying, maybe ten items and you're coming out like $200. >> reporter: price hikes hitting everything from toys to clothes, gadgets, furniture and car parts. reports from goldman-sachs show that toy makers hasbro and mattel are already raising prices. our colleagues at cnbc tracked down care bears made in china where manufacturing costs are up 25% since january. once in the u.s., moving the bears by rail costs 225% more than in 2019. and trucking rates are up 91%, which means it just got a whole lot more expensive for care bear maker, basic money. for now, retailers sigh, buy early and be flexible. >> shop now. take a look online. maybe you need a little more time than normal. but i feel confident in the american retailer. >> reporter: now, in addition to heightened consumer spending, global energy shortages, labor and transport shortages around the world have basically combined to create this perfect storm, and about those holiday gifts, yasmin, i know you have little ones at home. get those wish lists in early so you can start shopping today. yasmin? 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or do we let facebook just keep going and do whatever it wants, pushing this harmful, dangerous content out there? what haugen said is, skip past all that. instead of focusing on what people are saying on facebook in terms of regulation, focus on regulating facebook's algorithms. they're the ones who are writing this code, pushing content on to its users. and that's really, like, the core of what haugen and a lot of her documents say, and it's that in trying to push forward what they call a meaningful social interactions, i believe, is the term that they used, things that your friends and coworkers and people who just generally agree with you are saying at the top of your feed, in doing that, what they wound up doing was making it so that the most extreme things people were saying were actually coming to the top of your feed because that's what was being engaged with. haugen says, forget what that content says. focus on the algorithms that are drawing it up to the top of your feed. >> you feel also as if congress is finally asking the right questions. what are those questions and why do you think finally now they've gotten there? >> i think part of it is because haugen has all these documents, the reporting that's come out of "wall street journal," because of these facebook files, it gave them the right questions to ask about the algorithms. i mean, congress, for the longest time, has seemed really unaware of how social media works, so i'm glad that this time around, their staffers actually read the background documents, they read the work that she had provided them, so they could ask her, how does this work? who is actually setting up these algorithms? who's approving them? who is saying that, yes, we should care about the fact that the worst things that people are posting are the ones that are being most engaged with and going to the top of their feed? and who is saying that, you know, maybe we should slow down and focus more on that rather than just rapid growth and growing ads that way. >> so, it's interesting, because haugen is not necessarily a proponent of breaking up facebook. which i find fascinating, and i think a lot of people in her industry are not. why do you think that is? despite the fact that obviously she is in favor of regulating facebook after seeing her testimony and offering up the documents that she did? >> she made a really interesting argument. for example, instagram, which facebook purchased in 2012, if it were to be broken off facebook, the situation is that advertisers would still flock to instagram, and facebook itself would haveless men to actually deal with the problems that it is actually facing, including the fact that right now they focus too much on the content in the form of language. they say in terms of developing countries that, well, i'm sorry, we just don't have the resources now to even moderate the content in the many different languages in your country. but if they were to actually spend the money on actually monitoring that content, she argues that if facebook were broken up, they would have even fewer resources when they are already struggling to moderate the content with the money -- vast amount of money that they have. >> and you got to admit, with all the divisiveness in washington right now, this is the one area in which it seems congress is actually together on, that they could actually have regulation on a bipartisan effort with that. do you actually think anything's going to get done? >> i certainly hope so. i mean, the problem is that democrats and republicans, they want the same thing. they want regulation on facebook, but for different reasons, it seems. and i'm worried that, especially republicans will see it too much of as -- too good an issue to give up considering how much they get off of the ability to say, well, clearly, social media's biased against conservatives, even though it's not. it's, in a way, biased toward this extreme reactionary content that gets pushed into people's feeds, but -- and i worry that they don't want to lose that issue. they don't want to lose the ability to campaign on the fact that, well, social media is, you know, biased against conservatives, that it is pro-liberal, et cetera, et cetera, which is a lot of the reason why, ironically enough, facebook has refused to make many of the changes that would make its platform safer because they worry about that, you know, right-wing outcry against them, so i hope that this is a case where actual regulation can happen. haugen gave them documents to request from facebook, specific ones. she told them a structure that she thought could work in terms of setting up a regulatory agency to actually go through facebook. she pushed for facebook to have, by law, put out all this data in terms of how it works for them and i think that could be a real area of cooperation for both sides. >> all right, hayes brown, thank you. good to see you. coming up, everybody, in our next hour, cecilia, "new york times" reporter and author of "an ugly truth: inside facebook's battle for domination" will join me live to dig into facebook's response and what the future of regulation could, keyword "could" look like. still ahead, vanishing before our eyes. what is being done to save an iconic landscape from the impact of climate change? 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